He lost due to to not having enough tempo, instead of getting outvalued. If he had used 4 mana to kill a 0/3, hed have fallen behind even more and would have lost even earlier.
At the end of the game trump had 5 (8 assuming he cast his card draw spells) cards to his opponent 11 soon to be 12, he definitly got outvalued. A sufficent gap in card advantage more often than not gets followed by an unsurmountable ammount of tempo for the winning player (as long as both are playing a "fair" game, crazy combos have they´r own logic tough)
if the 2 Mana 2/2 would discover a Minion instead of giving you a random one the Deck would be way more fun to play, too. All you do is play Minions, lose to every Pirate Warrior and Quest Rogue and get bored really quickly.
Yeah, he needs something, anything else. Taunt, draw, shooting damage, restoring HP, ANYTHING and he's at least be playable. As is, you're better off playing Quest Druid without using the quest.
Jacob won't matter too much I feel like .. The main problem is that Druids don't have a reliable aoe card. Swipe deals one damage and Starfall costs too much.
Old Poppy was op I liked his comment 'I let him draw every turn and still lost to tempo'. Hmm, how can you stop an oponent from always having tempo cards on hand?
Old Poppy was op in my opinion he made a bad call by letting it live, he tried to justify it by saying he would fall behind to the shamans tempo, but for all he know he only for those "tempo" cards through the mana tide
1:07 I think I'm starting to realize it's not all about just bombrushing the quest. It's allright to take it nice and slow. 16:57 I think it's right to build this deck in the... get the quest done... like actually try to get it done pretty fast. what?
Oni Robot Steam cutouts. At the beginning of playing this deck he thought being slow is the way to go. Later came the realization that the only way to do something unfair of to do it fast.
That moment when you hear Trump say he'll let the mana totem stay alive one more turn and you then see that Jens added a cards drawn counter. I believe my response was: "Oh no....."
That turn 4 on that Shaman game. It's so infuriating. Swipe was so good there. Many people don't consider it important, but he would have cleared that Healing Totem as well, which is a serious threat in my opinion. If the Swipe isn't used there, it will be much harder to use in the future because of that Totem, because all other hero power totems from the Shaman except for Searing will survive the swipe and then get healed back to two hp. So he would have to clear the Totem later, which probably means he would have to use the hero power as well, which is two extra mana to expend. Such a nice board clear passed up.
If Trump had swiped the hot spring elemental the first mana tide turn, he would have perfectly spent his mana that turn, wiped his opponent's board, and had two full health minions in play. Naturally this would have put him at an insurmountable tempo disadvantage and lost him the game instantly.
That Shaman game... the greed was very real and he got justly punished, no matter how many attempts at logic loopholes he wants to make to justify it. He had plenty of chances to spend most/all of his mana and not let his opponent draw into comeback mechanisms for the board.
Next time I need to explain to my therapist what my thought process is when I do things like procrastinate on paying my speeding tickets for a year, I'll just link this video. Always something a little more important to do...
the druid quest is just a win more card if u plan to get it slowly ... i mean if u got into the late game as a druid in this meta u most likely already won
a little late but if the goal kf the deck is to summon big minions but for free and the only way to do that is summon big minions prior it just seems a lot more tedious and less reliable than ramp druid also in your list you dont have any highly stated late game minions like ysera tytantus soggoth or even deathwing yo take advantage of being zero mana
What's the point of running the quest just to discount mid-range minions, maybe, slowly? This deck doesn't really seem to be taking advantage of the quest reward. Against aggro, if you complete it and don't die right away, you were winning enough anyway that you might as well not be wasting some slots/tempo on the quest. Against control and combo, this isn't fast enough to win under them, and not rewarding enough to go over the top. Against other mid-range decks, like elemental shaman, this seems like a really poor version of those decks.
Lunar Visions seemed like the clear cut to me. It just sat in his hand far too many times, and just used it as an arcane intellect when he got the quest completed.
Couldn't you have just swiped the 2/4 and attacked the mana tide totem? I mean, you didn't attack that turn anyway so you wasted 3 damage of minion attacks against a high threat card that would have cost 0 health on your side in order to not use a swipe, and in doing so you gave him 5 cards. There's no way you can rationalise that away as being a good play.
There's no way that you letting the Mana Tide Totem live for so long was correct, it is not only about tempo, but also about choices and variability that your opponent gains with every card drawn.
Hey, wouldn't it be cool if they rotated in a few disabled cards every week or month to inject some variation to the meta? one or two class cards for each class and one class legendary each and 3 neutral cards of each rarity could be pretty cool, yea sure some very strong cards could be enabled for one class, and weak cards for another, but that's what expansions do no?, just at a larger scale.
why no Kun Cthun combo? with the bounce panda package. feels good to play a free cthun and bounce it back and playing it again. its like brann never left us
10:20 his reasoning that he gains a card by not swiping a 0 attack totem is negated by the fact that he could have swiped the 2 attack minion to kill it.
What a sad day and age for HS, where all of the fun and creative decks are pure garbage because of the aggro. Then you finally get a slow matchup and it's an OTK deck that you can't really play around. Fun.
Simple Tora that has always been the case. And it's probably best that it stays this way. fun decks should stay fun. when they become good they can be problematic. cough cough yogg druid
Huge mistake letting him just draw 6 cards... I still think it would of been better on that 3rd turn to take out the totem, you would of only lost one creature in combat. Idk, I'm not a pro, though. Lol!
Goddammit Trump, you and yout rationalizations of allowing a clear threat to go unanswered.
*draw counter appears*
This gon' be good.
Burni O Trump is a moron. Allowing shaman multiple draws is reallllly bad.
He lost due to to not having enough tempo, instead of getting outvalued. If he had used 4 mana to kill a 0/3, hed have fallen behind even more and would have lost even earlier.
Burni O о
At the end of the game trump had 5 (8 assuming he cast his card draw spells) cards to his opponent 11 soon to be 12, he definitly got outvalued. A sufficent gap in card advantage more often than not gets followed by an unsurmountable ammount of tempo for the winning player (as long as both are playing a "fair" game, crazy combos have they´r own logic tough)
If Barnubus had taunt the Quest would be so much better. You need that bit of recovery in order to start playing big guys.
Jacob agreed
Jacob you're a big guy
if the 2 Mana 2/2 would discover a Minion instead of giving you a random one the Deck would be way more fun to play, too. All you do is play Minions, lose to every Pirate Warrior and Quest Rogue and get bored really quickly.
Yeah, he needs something, anything else. Taunt, draw, shooting damage, restoring HP, ANYTHING and he's at least be playable.
As is, you're better off playing Quest Druid without using the quest.
Jacob won't matter too much I feel like .. The main problem is that Druids don't have a reliable aoe card. Swipe deals one damage and Starfall costs too much.
I've played a lot of Quest Druid, and the biggest problem I'd say is that it gets more value then it can use
Rowan Mayer he said that in the video
I probably should have watched the whole thing first then...
are u a fortune teller? 🤓
Question, is Lunar Visions useful in this deck since you will be drawing 0 cost minions anyway?
13:56 least greedy while letting him draw 6 cards in order to play sth big every turn
Old Poppy was op I liked his comment 'I let him draw every turn and still lost to tempo'. Hmm, how can you stop an oponent from always having tempo cards on hand?
Old Poppy was op in my opinion he made a bad call by letting it live, he tried to justify it by saying he would fall behind to the shamans tempo, but for all he know he only for those "tempo" cards through the mana tide
Henrik Storbakk You are correct. Not only was it the right play, it was a mana efficient play. Trump was clearly wrong on that play.
1:07 I think I'm starting to realize it's not all about just bombrushing the quest. It's allright to take it nice and slow.
16:57 I think it's right to build this deck in the... get the quest done... like actually try to get it done pretty fast.
what?
Oni Robot Steam cutouts. At the beginning of playing this deck he thought being slow is the way to go. Later came the realization that the only way to do something unfair of to do it fast.
That moment when you hear Trump say he'll let the mana totem stay alive one more turn and you then see that Jens added a cards drawn counter.
I believe my response was:
"Oh no....."
ya know shits getting real when jens starts the draw counter
wouldn't celestial dreamer be gооd in that deck? since it works really well with elder longneck and shellshifter.
That turn 4 on that Shaman game. It's so infuriating. Swipe was so good there. Many people don't consider it important, but he would have cleared that Healing Totem as well, which is a serious threat in my opinion. If the Swipe isn't used there, it will be much harder to use in the future because of that Totem, because all other hero power totems from the Shaman except for Searing will survive the swipe and then get healed back to two hp. So he would have to clear the Totem later, which probably means he would have to use the hero power as well, which is two extra mana to expend. Such a nice board clear passed up.
*0:43* I love how close he is too pressing threaten instead of greetings
honestly volcanosaur is really not a bad card
arena players already know that :P
It's a pretty solid 7-drop, which there aren't many of
its a very good card
Shradow that volcanosaur is pretty good with cannot be targeted adapt.
Beryl Yaakov ancient of war
If Trump had swiped the hot spring elemental the first mana tide turn, he would have perfectly spent his mana that turn, wiped his opponent's board, and had two full health minions in play. Naturally this would have put him at an insurmountable tempo disadvantage and lost him the game instantly.
That Shaman game... the greed was very real and he got justly punished, no matter how many attempts at logic loopholes he wants to make to justify it. He had plenty of chances to spend most/all of his mana and not let his opponent draw into comeback mechanisms for the board.
The opponent had 6 cards in hand at the end of the game, so you can argue the 6 extra cards didn't really matter.
That would be pretty stupid to argue, but I guess you can
It's not the raw number of cards, it's the possibility that the extra draws offered the shaman more chances at perfect answers when needed.
When are we getting the quest warrior video ?!!?
[insert Trump Building Wall joke]
[insert butt hurt comment about how making fun of the president being bad]
[insert self righteous comment about how much better Canadian politicians are]
Probably one of the most fun decks for me to play. Its a shame i could only play it during the tavern brawl event since I'm f2p :( Great vid :)
what do you think about one coldlight oracle in this deck? It is good with the curater and gives more draw to fearlessly ramp
Can somebody please link me the stream? I really like this deck and want to see more of it. Thanks! :)
I got my first Golden Legendary from a pack and it was Jungle Giants. That is probably the only quest I really don't want.
Has anyone considered using Starfire as a removal and a way of drawing into a minion in the late game? Or how about including cthun as a finisher?
never let shaman draws, I think its their only weakness. Shaman can be the strongest class if they get free draws every turn.
Next time I need to explain to my therapist what my thought process is when I do things like procrastinate on paying my speeding tickets for a year, I'll just link this video. Always something a little more important to do...
00:15 Am I the only one who smiled a little bit and remembered that good old lawyer?
Does Quest Druid have any reliable minion options for healing?
So if you're a legend rank you cant get bumped out of legendary for losing?
J Reid no
J Reid nope, forever safe
That decks pretty big Trump, are you over compensating perhaps?
Sausage Buffet for his winrate
yeah, his winrate....
The win against the aggro druid was just so tactically good. That's why you are in legend rank and I'm not lol
I like to imagine that the thumbnail is how trump gets out of bed in the morning.
Jens could you start posting the full thumbnail in the description?
Since you're running Curator I think Coldlight Oracle would be pretty good. And it's also a great play after Barnabus.
Mukla is a beast+ 5 attack +cheap ,not an insta-include but considerable
how would that deck against quest rogue?
Some say that mana tide totem is still drawing cards to this day.
Would this deck be too bad if I replaced the quest with another card?xd
the druid quest is just a win more card if u plan to get it slowly ... i mean if u got into the late game as a druid in this meta u most likely already won
that thumbnail is the best yet! keep it up Jens!
I liked that part of the video i havent watched yet. It was such a surprise!
10:18 That game was some good comedy,
"I feel like a hippy."
- Trump, 2017
IF I PULL THAT QUEST OFF WILL YOU DIE?
GujinGod it will be extremely painful
Lewis Cheung For you.
Lewis Cheung YOUR A TOUGH GUY
I see you with that title, Jens. Well played.
I found out when all videos are posted!
Well congratulations, you got yourself Legend.
Now what's the next step of your master plan?
Crashing this meta...
WITH NO SURVIVORS!
All the durdly cards with 4 attack feel off to me. Maybe a tempo version of this deck is possible.
I run Magma Rager in this deck. I find it to be really useful.
ScarcelyLucky please be joking
Should this deck include a Deathwing?
"Man, I have gas for days." -Trump 2017
a little late but if the goal kf the deck is to summon big minions but for free and the only way to do that is summon big minions prior it just seems a lot more tedious and less reliable than ramp druid also in your list you dont have any highly stated late game minions like ysera tytantus soggoth or even deathwing yo take advantage of being zero mana
What's the point of running the quest just to discount mid-range minions, maybe, slowly? This deck doesn't really seem to be taking advantage of the quest reward.
Against aggro, if you complete it and don't die right away, you were winning enough anyway that you might as well not be wasting some slots/tempo on the quest. Against control and combo, this isn't fast enough to win under them, and not rewarding enough to go over the top. Against other mid-range decks, like elemental shaman, this seems like a really poor version of those decks.
"I have gas for days" -Trump 2017
Asian with a big deck?... Unheard of.
lmao
you think yao ming has a small deck? he'd knock you off your feet with one fell swoop with his deck.
Lunar Visions seemed like the clear cut to me. It just sat in his hand far too many times, and just used it as an arcane intellect when he got the quest completed.
"Ehh I'll kill the mana tide totem next turn" Famous last words
Couldn't you have just swiped the 2/4 and attacked the mana tide totem? I mean, you didn't attack that turn anyway so you wasted 3 damage of minion attacks against a high threat card that would have cost 0 health on your side in order to not use a swipe, and in doing so you gave him 5 cards. There's no way you can rationalise that away as being a good play.
"oh man, I have gas for days"- Trump 2017
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Any sub for lunar visions?
There's no way that you letting the Mana Tide Totem live for so long was correct, it is not only about tempo, but also about choices and variability that your opponent gains with every card drawn.
Hey, wouldn't it be cool if they rotated in a few disabled cards every week or month to inject some variation to the meta? one or two class cards for each class and one class legendary each and 3 neutral cards of each rarity could be pretty cool, yea sure some very strong cards could be enabled for one class, and weak cards for another, but that's what expansions do no?, just at a larger scale.
Azathor no that would not be cool. rotating cards will just get rid of varity. we only need rotation for problematic cards
Well i don't play HS much anymore, i mainly watch, and when i do play i don't play at a high level.
It was likely to be a bad idea.
Kryptnyt
Trump's videos....One star.
why no Kun Cthun combo? with the bounce panda package. feels good to play a free cthun and bounce it back and playing it again. its like brann never left us
Aviana also rotated out, so that combo doesn't work anymore, sadly.
Syrange13 quest reward: your minions in your deck cost 0
you wont need aviana
Twenty Øne Leafy Fangirls Oh, right. I'm dumb.
Change 1 letter and the title becomes more exciting.
10:20 his reasoning that he gains a card by not swiping a 0 attack totem is negated by the fact that he could have swiped the 2 attack minion to kill it.
Nooo Ice Rager! It was your time in the sun!
14:08 I think it would be better to play barnabus and draw 3 free minions with nourish. chance for better taunts.
This was better than putting the buttons over the video.
isnt this deck just a worse jade druid?
I don't think I've seen this deck even once after like the 3rd day of the expansion. I think the Paladin quest is the only one I've seen less.
WTAF with that unanswered mana tide totem. Pretty much the stupidest thing I've seen rationalized in Hearthstone in.....ever. FREE ANSWERS FOR DAYS
You know the totem draws a bunch of cards when there is a counter
2:14 Oh hey looks like you just paid 2 mana to nuke your own board, good job!
4 u
this thumbnails are...are...weird and i like it
Read the title, checked the decklist, now i am confused.
Ah three years ago ahhh.........
LET THE BANE POSTING COMMENCE
BEETLEBERRIES
MY FAVOURITE
Is... Is this a banepost?
Big quest for big guys. For you.
4/26/2017 "Man I have gas for days" 3:23
- Adolf J Trump
big decks, big guys, big fun
out tempo a shaman as druid? was that really the plan trump?
I miss Ancient of Lore they should change it so that you add two innervate to your hand or gain 2 mana crystals or something
Hey Trump, cool deck. wanna bring it to the whitehouse?
The Big Fish 😂😂
skip to 9:31 and turn on subtitles.
aiming for free minions... I would love to see cenarius in some decks
i'm so happy you lost vs mana tide
Did you know Talon is responsible for 25% of all first bloods?
What a sad day and age for HS, where all of the fun and creative decks are pure garbage because of the aggro. Then you finally get a slow matchup and it's an OTK deck that you can't really play around. Fun.
Simple Tora that has always been the case. And it's probably best that it stays this way. fun decks should stay fun. when they become good they can be problematic. cough cough yogg druid
Trump was right leaving the mana Tide up, should've cleared the first turn he could with Swipe...
Yeah, not right, he was only able to tempo out that game cause he had the cards to play to do so. All of those cards were from the extra draws.
I feel like this deck doesn't need the quest.
3 mana draw 7 :thinking:
If only orgasmorino kripperino were here...
What can I say, other than I'm right!
Yup, sounds like Trump alright :o
Huge mistake letting him just draw 6 cards... I still think it would of been better on that 3rd turn to take out the totem, you would of only lost one creature in combat. Idk, I'm not a pro, though. Lol!
Aggro druid should feel bad about themselves
44 mana in hand - dream meta