John L Gardner & Viv Graham clash in 93

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  • Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
  • #jamieboyle #newcastle #vivgraham #johnlgardner

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  • @chrisr5499
    @chrisr5499 7 месяцев назад +6

    Met John Gardner at New Years Eve party back in 1992 ( I was 21) and he was very nice and humble man.

  • @jimlock6152
    @jimlock6152 8 месяцев назад +11

    I was in Durham prison when Gardner fought Sykes and it was on the radio. The prisoners were cheering for Gardner

    • @DavidUKesb
      @DavidUKesb 8 месяцев назад +1

      I bet they were!

    • @MrWoods0_0
      @MrWoods0_0 8 месяцев назад +1

      I bet they were shush when he was back in lol Sykes ran Durham prison

    • @jimlock6152
      @jimlock6152 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@MrWoods0_0 I heard all the stories but in the time I was there he was not in.. end of 78 and 3 months into 79 before I was transferred back to Scotland.. There was a screw called Johnston who everyone said was his double..

  • @yorkshiretea7620
    @yorkshiretea7620 8 месяцев назад +6

    My step dad was friendly with John from his days in london. Shows you how tough John was he was attacked and stabbed over ten times years ago and the wankers even slashed his wife.

  • @DavidUKesb
    @DavidUKesb 8 месяцев назад +30

    JLG would have smashed VG to bits.

    • @mrdog2019
      @mrdog2019 8 месяцев назад +8

      Well said, of course he would, John Lewis Gardner was British, commonwealth and European heavyweight champion, viv was a hard man in the north, no comparison, also where John is from was far rougher and violent, people forget he rose to the top in a huge city, around seven million plus at the time, of course the north east is a tough place but we are talking small places compared to London, there were viv’s in every town in London but there was only one JLG.

    • @truthseekerforever7002
      @truthseekerforever7002 6 месяцев назад +1

      @mrdog2019 viv had a fight with Gary Mason and beat him .
      that's 100 percent and when the documentary comes out you will see someone well known who was there

    • @christophersavill4785
      @christophersavill4785 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@truthseekerforever7002 whatever. Mason sparked out nearly every man put in front of him. Graham wouldn't of stood a chance

    • @tyee8760
      @tyee8760 3 месяца назад

      Viv twatted him. Would have batter Gardner too

    • @notmeoru1
      @notmeoru1 2 месяца назад

      JLG ran the 3 tuns in Sheriff Hill, Gateshead he was there for a few years. It was never known as a rough pub. It got burgled twice in a week or so. JLG lived upstairs and battered at least one of the kids and received knife wounds. JLG > Viv

  • @gateshead_angel
    @gateshead_angel 8 месяцев назад +10

    It was the Three Tuns on Old Durham Rd on Sheriff Hill gateshead he bought it with a bloke called Mick, Paul runs it now.

    • @maxandruby08
      @maxandruby08 8 месяцев назад +2

      He never bourt it him znd his wife managed it fact

    • @gateshead_angel
      @gateshead_angel 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@maxandruby08 little pedantic with your reply there 🤔

    • @dmode2793
      @dmode2793 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@gateshead_angel You could understand it?!

  • @PaulSmith-br4tj
    @PaulSmith-br4tj 4 месяца назад +6

    Jlg would had destroyed him,very hard man and fully trained,only one winner iam afraid

  • @teamfergusonboxing5830
    @teamfergusonboxing5830 6 месяцев назад +6

    John L would of been way too much for Graham

  • @mrdog2019
    @mrdog2019 8 месяцев назад +15

    John l Gardner was a very hard man, he would of battered graham, Sykes actually quit in round seven or eight, he just couldn’t hurt John, viv was a bully and John hated bullies.

    • @mrdog2019
      @mrdog2019 8 месяцев назад

      There is a video of viv attacking that bouncer, I’d say that was bullying, he is with three or four others, all egging him on and the bloke being attacked didn’t throw one punch, all these so called hard men legends are dead for a reason, very rarely were they nice people or they would still be here.@@Paul-010

    • @eclipse7436
      @eclipse7436 8 месяцев назад +4

      There's a difference between a hard man and professional fighter

    • @mrdog2019
      @mrdog2019 8 месяцев назад

      100%, Especially when one was the British, commonwealth and European heavyweight champion, John Lewis Gardner was a very hard man, like I said.@@eclipse7436

    • @starofdavid9919
      @starofdavid9919 4 месяца назад +3

      @@eclipse7436 Yes, a hard man picks his fights.

    • @Pithead
      @Pithead 3 месяца назад +1

      Sykes turned away in despair and the referee stopped it.

  • @mrsmith3930
    @mrsmith3930 4 месяца назад +3

    John went to my school he is a legend in the East End boxing community.

  • @jamieoliver3262
    @jamieoliver3262 8 месяцев назад +11

    Think viv would av come unstuck somehow know he had a boxing past John was a lump himself who knows only takes 1 goodun off people like them and your tongues hanging out😝🤣

  • @allangreenley9901
    @allangreenley9901 8 месяцев назад +5

    Good story never heard it before ,u would have to really think john l gardner would be the victor in the fight...

    • @warcrypublishing
      @warcrypublishing  8 месяцев назад +2

      Absolutely

    • @PaulSmith-br4tj
      @PaulSmith-br4tj 4 месяца назад

      ​@@warcrypublishinghi Jamie just finished Final Agony,on holiday and read both books, excellent read and yiu must had spent some time getting your information,🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊

  • @toughluck1966
    @toughluck1966 3 месяца назад +1

    Documentary up and coming on Gardner?

  • @vantheman1238
    @vantheman1238 3 месяца назад +2

    If the fight was in the ring with boxing gloves on then John L Gardner would have won easy peesy lemon squeezy. Vic Graham was a middleweight by human design, however, he juiced more than Lance Armstrong hence, his weight ballooned to 17 stone. John L Gardner was the naturally bigger man.

  • @steve81nz39
    @steve81nz39 3 месяца назад +2

    Never heard a bad thing said about John

  • @daytonahandful
    @daytonahandful Месяц назад +1

    I'm going to say that Viv would have easily dismantled John. I have no evidence or good reason for saying that but thought someone should say so.

  • @Notteabagtracey
    @Notteabagtracey 8 месяцев назад +10

    #justiceforviv & anne ❤️🥰

  • @ianmangham4570
    @ianmangham4570 4 месяца назад +2

    My money 💰 would be on gardener everytime.👍🇬🇧🤠

  • @tootsiroll4134
    @tootsiroll4134 8 месяцев назад +4

    So whats the story behind the confrontation??

  • @malcolmroberts2467
    @malcolmroberts2467 3 месяца назад +2

    Viv couldn't fight sleep in a proper ring nothing but a bully couldnt do the bouncer on the door

  • @euphemiakathleenmacdonald2970
    @euphemiakathleenmacdonald2970 7 месяцев назад +12

    Viv would never have beaten Paul Sykes never mind jlg he was just a playground bully in Newcastle he wasn't in their league of fighting professional boxers vs a pumped up body builder there's only one winner

    • @tyee8760
      @tyee8760 3 месяца назад +2

      Viv would have leathered them. Being a good boxer doesn’t automatically make you hard or good on the streets

    • @Rich.H68
      @Rich.H68 3 месяца назад

      Talking out of your arse bonny lass, Boxers have to obey rules they don't do well on the cobbles

    • @vantheman1238
      @vantheman1238 Месяц назад +2

      @@tyee8760 John L Gardner was heavyweight boxing champion of Great Britain. JLG fought boxers across Europe and America. Do you honestly believe that a natural middleweight who was pumped up on drugs would beat a highly skilled international level heavyweight boxer? You’re deluded.

    • @tyee8760
      @tyee8760 Месяц назад +2

      @@vantheman1238 do you honestly think they’d stand on the street having a Queensbury you fool. You’re going in with yourself like boxers are all ultimate street fighter hard cases and they’re not are they you donut. You clearly know nothing about combat sports, street fighting or fighting in general

    • @tyee8760
      @tyee8760 Месяц назад

      @@vantheman1238 what do you think they’re going to do? Stand there on the street with gloves and a referee and fight Queensbury rules you fool 😅😅 being a good boxer doesn’t mean anything when fighting outside of the ring. You clearly know absolutely F all about this subject 😂😂

  • @toughluck1966
    @toughluck1966 8 месяцев назад +2

    This is better, miss your face and longer documentaries though

  • @da90sReAlvloc
    @da90sReAlvloc 8 месяцев назад +2

    Didn't john l Gardner know the krays or something,
    Im sure i heard he knew the krays

    • @warcrypublishing
      @warcrypublishing  8 месяцев назад +2

      He knew Charlie

    • @tonycruzman162
      @tonycruzman162 2 месяца назад

      @@da90sReAlvloc John was about 15 when Krays got jailed but they came to repton box club a lot

  • @benjamin-ri2do
    @benjamin-ri2do 8 месяцев назад +5

    We need a book on this dude

  • @terrydoyle4120
    @terrydoyle4120 2 месяца назад +1

    Decent heavyweight was John L and a notch up from usual british heavyweights

  • @mervmervalot2296
    @mervmervalot2296 4 месяца назад +2

    John L could fight... we was a volume puncher... trained with him and his son Ross in droylsden about 15-20yrs ago at barkers gym.... wayne barker coukd fight too!!!

  • @StuartHanson-fo7iw
    @StuartHanson-fo7iw 5 месяцев назад +2

    I instantly liked his face,John and viv both looked like fair feller s to me at first glance,but without knowing em it’s hard to say but they don’t look like slinks

  • @PMS-zv5es
    @PMS-zv5es 8 месяцев назад +6

    I thought the pub was getying hassle bh some well known troublemakers and viv was contacted to sort the troublemakers out as he often did and this resulted in viv graham beating paul ashton up 🤷‍♂️ ...

    • @warcrypublishing
      @warcrypublishing  8 месяцев назад +7

      John didn't need anyone to fight his battles. He was the British, Commonwealth & European heavyweight champion and would have flattened Viv Graham

    • @PMS-zv5es
      @PMS-zv5es 8 месяцев назад +4

      Dont be so silly he was in a different city different environment different unknown villains etc just because he was an ex boxing champion means nothing on the streets

    • @711honved
      @711honved 8 месяцев назад +6

      @@PMS-zv5es Go to a gym & watch a pro punch, it is devastating! They are supremely fit & move lightning fast. Graham could never have withstood such an assault. Most of these villain types were pumped up on steroids & made a living bullying smaller guys!

    • @PMS-zv5es
      @PMS-zv5es 8 месяцев назад +3

      You obvs dont know viv was a very accomplished amateur boxer who could have been pro but went the other route ... you haven't a clue about how any of this would have panned out , but what I do know is viv kept himself very fit strong and stuck to his boxing until his untimely murder , a lot of ex pros are just that an ex pro most dont train keep fit and end up out of shape seen it all before .....

    • @warcrypublishing
      @warcrypublishing  8 месяцев назад +5

      @@PMS-zv5es John L Gardner was the no.1 mandatory to Muhammad Ali and ranked no6 in the world. He was levels above some amateur boxer!!!

  • @kevinclark2856
    @kevinclark2856 2 месяца назад +2

    the bar was the three tones in gateshed sheriffhill got stabed there was nice bloke john

  • @terranceforbes9748
    @terranceforbes9748 8 месяцев назад +6

    Great video never heard that story before but John would have beaten Viv no bother

    • @tonycruzman162
      @tonycruzman162 2 месяца назад +2

      @@terranceforbes9748 Viv was not in that league

  • @Martin-kl1vk
    @Martin-kl1vk 4 месяца назад +1

    Nice snipit there brother

  • @tonycruzman162
    @tonycruzman162 2 месяца назад +1

    The three tuns in Gateshead was the bar . Viv would do nothing against Sykes or Gardner John nothing to do with vive murder at all John is not that way John huge gambler came from Homerton Hackney lived with his mam dint know what happened to the dad ?

    • @warcrypublishing
      @warcrypublishing  2 месяца назад +1

      @@tonycruzman162 he never had a relationship with his old man

  • @stevenbaker382
    @stevenbaker382 8 месяцев назад +1

    Iv got every single ring magazines from the 70s and i can assure you he was never number 1 in any of the ratings wba or wbc..

    • @warcrypublishing
      @warcrypublishing  8 месяцев назад +1

      Yes he was, he was no.1 mandatory challenger to Ali, Google it.

    • @stevenbaker382
      @stevenbaker382 8 месяцев назад +1

      Like i said i have every ring magazine boxing illustrated from the 70s and 80s and i have never seen Gardner as number 1 in the wba or wbc ratings. If you put a picture up of garden as number 1 ill tip my hat to you but at the moment I don't. Top Americans at the time were far superior

    • @GraveCareMaintenanceServices
      @GraveCareMaintenanceServices 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@stevenbaker382 Gardner was never mandatory to Ali, he did however sign a contract to fight Ali over in Hawaii in the late 70s, but Ali pulled out. Later Gardner and Ali fought a 3 round televised exhibition bout. But as far as i am aware or can find out John L Gardner was a fringe top 10 contender for the title, so no, he never was mandatory to Ali.

    • @stevenbaker382
      @stevenbaker382 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@GraveCareMaintenanceServices exactly correct m8. I never knew he was contacted to fight ali but I knew very well that garden was never mandatory number 1.. at the time you had shavers Norton young lyle . With up and coming coetzee weaver and john tate. You couldn't put Gardner above them

    • @benrawlins8768
      @benrawlins8768 4 месяца назад

      ​@@warcrypublishingGoogle got it wrong. Alot of people use Google thinking it's 100% but not always.

  • @MrCupid444
    @MrCupid444 8 месяцев назад +3

    He looked a bit like Tommy Morrison from Rock

  • @truthseekerforever7002
    @truthseekerforever7002 8 месяцев назад +1

    Good morning jamie .if my memory is right as was a long time ago.
    the pub you are referring to was on durham Road close to sheriff Hill.
    and they were getting alot of trouble with Paul Ashton "ashy'and his group of friends and i remember that fellow getting stabbed.
    but I believe it was viv got paid to see Ashton and they ended up fighting on windy nook bank and there might of been 2 fights between them.
    and the confrataion was that viv had sorted the bother for this bar.
    anyway I look forward to the forthcoming documentary on the BBC you are taking part in and any of your future projects. take care.

    • @moshman33
      @moshman33 8 месяцев назад

      It is on sheriff hill right at the end of my street.

    • @SteveTams-zp8kn
      @SteveTams-zp8kn 6 месяцев назад +1

      Do you remember a bloke called Billy Cartman? He was killed during the construction of the channel tunnel. Could fight for fun.

    • @moshman33
      @moshman33 6 месяцев назад

      @@SteveTams-zp8kn I don’t know him sorry! But I do know who did John Gardner and why it was done. But I won’t say on a youtube comment section.

    • @bobpine12
      @bobpine12 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@SteveTams-zp8knhis mam was manageress in the old fox jenny Billy was a right handful back in the day

  • @Tonydjjokerit
    @Tonydjjokerit 2 месяца назад +1

    Neither of them would have beaten Ray Coates. Kyokushinkai champion of the UK ex SAS and later on only had one kidney. He trained in Japan from the very bottom to the very top.

    • @jesseb5076
      @jesseb5076 Месяц назад

      Behave yourself ffs

    • @Tonydjjokerit
      @Tonydjjokerit Месяц назад

      @@jesseb5076 Simply stating facts!

  • @kevinyuill8762
    @kevinyuill8762 3 месяца назад +1

    See knew podcast bbc done abt viv graham

  • @Minkyyy670
    @Minkyyy670 4 месяца назад +1

    Will you be seeing vivs ghosts next. 😂

  • @truelovex
    @truelovex 8 месяцев назад +2

    Jamie have you heard a story about viv and Fred the head have a fight while in jail.
    and do you k ow what happed .
    Fred was ment to hard bloke

    • @fishermansid8861
      @fishermansid8861 8 месяцев назад +2

      It never happened in jail at different times

    • @truthseekerforever7002
      @truthseekerforever7002 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@fishermansid8861are sure as the fellow Jamie had on a couple years ago "Phil towben " says he was in at the same time and it did happen.

    • @warcrypublishing
      @warcrypublishing  8 месяцев назад +1

      Fred had a few go's with Sykesy

    • @DavidUKesb
      @DavidUKesb 8 месяцев назад

      Apparently Sykes took a slash all over Fred's dinner and told him it was gravy!

    • @jimlock6152
      @jimlock6152 8 месяцев назад

      Was that Freddie Mills by any chance

  • @geordieboynufc7434
    @geordieboynufc7434 4 месяца назад +1

    He got chased from three tunns sheriff hill gateshead and his pub burned down