I've had really good result by pulling phoenix, I expose it at around iso 60 and reduce development by some 15 to 30 seconds, looks great, much less contrast, good highlights and shadows. One of my favorite films when shot and developed like this.
We truly appreciate the creativity and dedication shown in this video. Your detailed exploration of the film's characteristics and your candid approach to testing and development are commendable. Keep pushing the boundaries of what's possible in film photography!
That's exactly what experimental film is for. Perfect work. I'd imagine that's the feedback that's really helpful for Harman as well, in contrast to all the people repeating the same things in every review of this film. Because what "professionall" photographer would have thought about pulling this film 3 steps? That's some really fascinating results. I'm watching your videos since the early ones and I'm really loving your work. Keep it up, and congratulations on 20k!
I love these experiments. When I got my hands on my first roll of 135 Phoenix last year, one of the very first things I did to that very first roll was push it one stop, found that I didn't like either the frames shot at box speed nor pushed to EI 400, and then did the remainder of the roll metered at EI 400 and processed with a bleach bypass-which I liked better than the push. Our local reseller in Taiwan held a promotional photo walk yesterday for the first batch of 120 Phoenix sold here, and of course I had to go for it. I ended up shooting two rolls at EI 100, which were processed by the local lab at normal C41 times, and the results looked quite "normal", without too much of the red glowy cast that Ilford/Harman seems to be really leaning into in their promotion materials for this film. I've also reverse processed several rolls, but with HC-110 and normal C41 color chemistry instead of proper E6 chemistry, and the results were… incredibly inconsistent… The rolls which I re-exposed with a light source ended up all right, but using a chemical reversal bath was a major catastrophe.
First video I watched on this, both for the normal stuff but because this is the only channel that really pushes (and pulls) the film stock they're reviewing
Well, I'm picking up a roll of Phoenix next time I'm at my local lab. I've been on the fence about it just from the unpredictability I've seen. It's great to see them bring it out in a new format though. The revival of film keeps speeding up, it's exciting to watch!
shot 3 rolls of 35mm and was pleasantly suprised... and as soon as i saw their instagram teaser my heart dropped... i am actually really excited what Harman is going to do in the future! Especially with Kodak being in this weird spot where the sales company is being bought by some corporate conglomorate that's probably gonna gut it... anyway! Go Harman... it's not perfect but for a new emulsion it's really amazing!
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason the bleach bypass was less dramatic was because they are putting as little silver as possible into the film to help with costs at the beginning. It would also explain the high noise, low DR, and even why the BW xpro came out so thin
I am really glad to see that Harman is making a new color film, but Phoenix is not for me. Maybe the second gen of Phoenix will be more to my liking. Mad props to Attic Darkroom for trying things for science!
I have an idea: Shooting vision 3 film through remjet and orange mask, and developing it in ecn2 and d76, looks like remjet is not fully opaque, and can work as about 9 stop nd filter, would be interesting to see how it affects image quality
Wait, why does it look so good in b&w... oh yeah, it's Ilford. Even their colour films are apparently great non-colour films. also how was the 3 stop pull the most natural that stock has ever looked?
For the 35mm rolls, I figure the overlapped portions appear lighter since you get secondary exposure on the second (lower) piece of film. Can you scan the film pieces separately and mask out that portion which is covered to get more even exposure across the frame? Or does that work as cleanly as I'd imagine?
Take some film paper, and cut up some 120 size paper and you can take long exposures as well. It's a lot of fun but gotta b careful to have the lens capped and possibly the viewfinder as well. Depending on the camera
*sigh* >gets out wallet I got into MF to save money from shooting 4x5. Yet somehow here we are.... Also, a #4 Cartridge Kodak camera I was watching on fleaBay sold recently. I'm not saying you're the only other person on Earth looking at 5x4 roll film, but I'm suspicious. Ilford sometimes does 50' rolls of 5" wide FP4+ (item 1164767) in their annual ULF order. If you hit them up now you might be able to get it on the April 2025 order.
@@danem2215 So waste money and time editing on a hideous film you say because you can? That makes no sense. Why not buy a film you like so less editing the color out?
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those double packed 35mm rolls at the beginning of the video are legit art pieces now
I agree! I’m now going to give that a try!
yessss fresh film chaos :3
Liz thank you so much this is extremely generous, I really appreciate it. This will pay for more film that I can ruin!
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the pulled shots look pretty good
I've had really good result by pulling phoenix, I expose it at around iso 60 and reduce development by some 15 to 30 seconds, looks great, much less contrast, good highlights and shadows. One of my favorite films when shot and developed like this.
The pulled roll has the best colors I’ve seen with that film so far! Better than box speed for sure !
I feel like if Harman Brought back a color shift infrared film they could fund anything they wanted for a decade
Me: "Ha-Ha. That's a funny joke, mashing it into a medium format camera..."
*moments later*
"Oh, oh my...He really did do it."
Yashica 635 with the gate removed. Just saying.
Yashica 635 with the gate removed. Just saying.
my youtube subscriptions are just harman phoenix 120 now 😂
same
Nice to see you getting some attention from the company itself, well deserved.
Congrats on 20k, also LETS GOOOOOOOO
🎉
it's officially a good day every time attic darkroom uploads a video
I've been a photographer since 1976 and this is the most creative thing I've seen in years....
We truly appreciate the creativity and dedication shown in this video. Your detailed exploration of the film's characteristics and your candid approach to testing and development are commendable. Keep pushing the boundaries of what's possible in film photography!
This video really captures the excitement and frustration of experimenting with new film emulsions.
I just ordered a few rolls. The Phoenix look is growing on me.
The B&W photo of the car is my favorite!
Pull 3 looks great!!! for real.
That's exactly what experimental film is for. Perfect work. I'd imagine that's the feedback that's really helpful for Harman as well, in contrast to all the people repeating the same things in every review of this film. Because what "professionall" photographer would have thought about pulling this film 3 steps? That's some really fascinating results. I'm watching your videos since the early ones and I'm really loving your work. Keep it up, and congratulations on 20k!
absolutely goated youtube channel
Dude I gotta go buy some 120.
Your chaotic jump cuts during the sequence where you made DIY 120 had me in stitches.
I love these experiments. When I got my hands on my first roll of 135 Phoenix last year, one of the very first things I did to that very first roll was push it one stop, found that I didn't like either the frames shot at box speed nor pushed to EI 400, and then did the remainder of the roll metered at EI 400 and processed with a bleach bypass-which I liked better than the push.
Our local reseller in Taiwan held a promotional photo walk yesterday for the first batch of 120 Phoenix sold here, and of course I had to go for it. I ended up shooting two rolls at EI 100, which were processed by the local lab at normal C41 times, and the results looked quite "normal", without too much of the red glowy cast that Ilford/Harman seems to be really leaning into in their promotion materials for this film.
I've also reverse processed several rolls, but with HC-110 and normal C41 color chemistry instead of proper E6 chemistry, and the results were… incredibly inconsistent… The rolls which I re-exposed with a light source ended up all right, but using a chemical reversal bath was a major catastrophe.
Wow is this the first official acknowledgment of Harman Phoenix in 120 outside of the site leaks?
Embargo is up, be ready for a flood of Phoenix 120 content.
@@atticdarkroom Glad yours is the first I see B-)
The 3 stop pull looks GOOD! Like really good. With you know ...normal colors. I hope Harman's watching cause there is something happening there !
That frame at 5:22 is gorgeous
Thanks for this clear overview and possibilities of this film. Very welcome!! 🔥🔥🔥
5:20 This is probably one of my favorite shots from you
Pulling 3 stops was honestly the best-looking set out of the bunch, though the B&W ones were a pretty close second in my opinion.
First video I watched on this, both for the normal stuff but because this is the only channel that really pushes (and pulls) the film stock they're reviewing
youtube recommended this and i really enjoyed it, thanks. great work and quality video
always look forward to these videos
The 120mm dig and turn around, hilarious!
I think it's a really brilliant black and white film based on the few shots you showed, we aren't in short supply of those though
you're insane for this and i love it
Well, I'm picking up a roll of Phoenix next time I'm at my local lab. I've been on the fence about it just from the unpredictability I've seen. It's great to see them bring it out in a new format though. The revival of film keeps speeding up, it's exciting to watch!
Yea! 104 format film. Very enjoyable video. I"m sure Harman is glad they sent you film, for unique content unlike anyone else.
"Here, see if you can break this."
shot 3 rolls of 35mm and was pleasantly suprised... and as soon as i saw their instagram teaser my heart dropped... i am actually really excited what Harman is going to do in the future! Especially with Kodak being in this weird spot where the sales company is being bought by some corporate conglomorate that's probably gonna gut it... anyway! Go Harman... it's not perfect but for a new emulsion it's really amazing!
Yo, the pulled ones are geat!!
First roll looks like a some set of artworks for Sparklehorse album. Love it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason the bleach bypass was less dramatic was because they are putting as little silver as possible into the film to help with costs at the beginning. It would also explain the high noise, low DR, and even why the BW xpro came out so thin
I am really glad to see that Harman is making a new color film, but Phoenix is not for me. Maybe the second gen of Phoenix will be more to my liking.
Mad props to Attic Darkroom for trying things for science!
I have an idea: Shooting vision 3 film through remjet and orange mask, and developing it in ecn2 and d76, looks like remjet is not fully opaque, and can work as about 9 stop nd filter, would be interesting to see how it affects image quality
I've pulled one stop to great effect.
Maybe an orange 85B filter would have been better for the E-6 cross-process?
It's out! Already ordered a few rolls!
wtf the three stop pull looks incredible lmao
Wait, why does it look so good in b&w... oh yeah, it's Ilford. Even their colour films are apparently great non-colour films.
also how was the 3 stop pull the most natural that stock has ever looked?
IT HASN’T BEEN A DAY! OH THE HUMANITY!
B&W look great, how did you develop it.
harmon this man is unwell, please do as he says.
Hell ye. I kinda liked Phoenix. But in 120 its a must
Ayyy! love to see another PDX based film photographer (im gettin back in to it). You shoot with anyone or just solo?
For the 35mm rolls, I figure the overlapped portions appear lighter since you get secondary exposure on the second (lower) piece of film. Can you scan the film pieces separately and mask out that portion which is covered to get more even exposure across the frame? Or does that work as cleanly as I'd imagine?
Hell yeah
Best 7:00 am present 🎁 is a new vid dropping
Sweet.
This is how I heard about Harman Phoenix in 120.
Anyway - I keep shooting it, in spite of myself. I'm still kind of excited by it I guess
220 format and large format would be so sick tho
I neee it in 4x5! Come on Harman, you can do Ilford in 4x5, now do this!
Nice! :)
I still can’t believe it looks better pulled 3 stops
I think you fixed Harman Phoenix with the pulling 😅
It started off great....but it ended even better 🤣
Love this guy like if u agree
I feel like I'm the only person who wants aggressively grainy 120 color film
Give me a 104 Holga, please!
I love you
Take some film paper, and cut up some 120 size paper and you can take long exposures as well. It's a lot of fun but gotta b careful to have the lens capped and possibly the viewfinder as well. Depending on the camera
WAIT. THERE WAS A 120MM FORMAT?!
This makes me want to pull 3 stops
holy peak
That "Laika" label on a Holga was so perfectly wrong on several levels. **Slow Clap**
Perhaps someone could invent a special development chemistry for this film?
*sigh*
>gets out wallet
I got into MF to save money from shooting 4x5. Yet somehow here we are....
Also, a #4 Cartridge Kodak camera I was watching on fleaBay sold recently. I'm not saying you're the only other person on Earth looking at 5x4 roll film, but I'm suspicious.
Ilford sometimes does 50' rolls of 5" wide FP4+ (item 1164767) in their annual ULF order. If you hit them up now you might be able to get it on the April 2025 order.
It's been a while since you redscaled some film
I will not take Wolfen NC 500 slander 😭 The only bad thing about it is that they don't make a 120 version
#Make104FormatGreatAgain! 🤣
"I love shooting medium format."
Pulls out a roll of toilet paper. 🤣😅
8:33 coming from someone who rarely shoots film and is not really into the film lore, who is the weird small German dog??
Inoviscoat
@@atticdarkroom thanks!
Weird Video.
It is known for it's orange cast so why try and get rid of it in your photos? That's like buying Raisin Bran and taking out the raisins.
Cause it's hideous?
@@danem2215 Then use a different film then.
@@thevoiceman6192 Or just edit it the way you want because you're free to do so? What are you, the guy who made Phoenix?
@@danem2215 So waste money and time editing on a hideous film you say because you can? That makes no sense. Why not buy a film you like so less editing the color out?
@@thevoiceman6192 Editing it takes like five seconds and it's cheaper than Portra?
Hell yeah