Haven't had a chance to test if it holds zero, but mounts just fine and has nice clear glass. Centered vertically true to a plumb line with the crosshairs which is always a plus!It's a great ruclips.net/user/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope. There's no parallax adjustment or focus ring, so may be limited to 3-7x, have to see how it is on the range. Also be aware that the rings are "look through" so you can still use irons, but they are really tall if you only intend to use the optics. On a 22LR no biggie since I'm not shooting competitions or worried about a hard cheek press. Will boresight and range test, if all goes well, I'll leave it at that!
The bigger "end" is called an objective lens. A larger objective lens does not necessarily provide a larger field of view. Generally, the field of view in a scope is determined by the magnification combined with the focal length of the objective/eyepiece combination. A larger objective lens does provide for a larger exit pupil which is an advantage in low light conditions and when using higher magnification.
Cheaper spotting scopes have color separation at higher powers. On the cheaper one at 60x zoom, you can see the purple start to separate from the black on the target. Colors will start to separate into the colors of the rainbow the higher zoom power you apply
Yes, that purple ring ruins it for me. The more expensive scopes have fully multicoated lenses, but the cheaper ones have multicoated lenses. I'm a purest and the aberration is a show stopper. However, so is the $1,500 price tag on the vortex. I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.
It’s not decent. The chromatic aberration is obvious only at 60 yards. If you look at animals 1-2 miles away. The aberration will probably be so severe you can’t even make out the animal
@@kazino21 you can find spotting scopes with low aberration. I have a $100 Alpen 20x50 that is lower in ÇA. But if you really want to see detail at distance. You need to step up the money spent
@@donh1572 I have a Swarovski 2nd hand scope that I bought, but sometimes would be useful to have a cheap one. For the price of the one they've shown is there anything better
Great video. I really enjoyed it. Just an interesting development, SVBONY has updated the SV46 with Extremely Low Dispersion (ED) glass and dual focus. It is called the SV46P ED 20-60x80. It has an MSRP of $329. I believe it dropped Nov 26, 2020. SVBONY also makes the SV 406P (also 20-60x80), with ED glass, but it has a replaceable eyepiece with a standard 1.25" interface, for those that like that feature. I cannot afford the Vortex scopes. They are very good. (Update) I bought the 46P ED one I mentioned above. It is fantastic at 100yds, which is the only distance I needed to reach. Thanks guys!
Svbony SV406P also takes any 1.25" standard astronomy eyepiece - better quality because fixed magnification and wider field, too. Vortex 'HD' seems equivalent to everyone else's 'ED'.
I am trying to decide between the Athlom Argos, SvBony SV46P or Sv405p, and the Gosky ED for all around the same price. Warranty on Athlom and Gosky are better.
The bushnell Trophy extreme is underrated.... Around $200 & lifetime warranty . To me it seems as clear as the Vortex diamondback that was double the $... I ended up buyin both the 10x32mm binos & the spotter from bushnell & have not regretted it from Elk in Colorado to Whitetails in Northern Minnesota/Wisconsin
Impressed with both. The Razor is insane though lol. Could just be me but I saw slight color fringing around edges in the cheaper model. Saw some blues/reds/greens But it was very slight. Cheaper model seems great for someone who would prioritize money elsewhere in their gear/life or a person with novice-competent experience and still get great results.
The chromatic aberration is obvious only at 60 yards. If you look at animals 1-2 miles away. The aberration will probably be so severe you can’t even make out the animal
I'd buy the ED version. You won't get that cloudiness at high magnification. Either the $340 406P or $243 46P. Not sure how much better $103 gets you but both supposedly has ED glass.
Frank Rubi we probably won’t make another video on it but we have gotten a lot of requests so maybe. I can tell you though that the difference was minimal
Chromatic aberration is a result of fast f/ratios. You can correct it to an extent with ED glass in fast f/ratio scopes but even that can't work miracles.
What i see is that the svbonny not only has much more distortion and unsharpness at the edges but also has significantly more chromatic aberation and vignetting.
@@liujw0able yep, though if you are only using it for target shooting, I think it would work fine. Definitely a lower quality image but if you just want to see where the holes are then I'd say it's good enough lol. granted, at longer ranges, I'm betting the vortex would be far better
In terms of pure functionality I think the Sv is much better value although if you are using a spotting scope a lot It would be appropriate to get the vortex
At some point within the past few years Vortex bought their spotters directly from CHINA when they previously imported their Razor line from Japan. I wonder if yours was the Chinese Vortex Razor compared to the Chinese SVbony. That was a real shocker when I heard about Vortex selling Chinese spotters under their high end Razor line label.
The fact that you can see the little black ants in the upper left-hand corner with both Scopes pretty much means that you don't have to pay big bucks to have a good spotting scope
You should do a test in low light conditions, thats when quality optics pay off, in this test the differnece is clear, but for the price svbony may have sold me a scope. I wish vortex made the same budget scopes as binoculars.
Based on this review (mainly) I bought the Svbony. I use it for a target spotting scope so resolution was way more important than chromatic aberration. If you read the specs you'll find the higher quality optics are not used in this one so you will get the color issues at higher magnification. If you want photographic quality images at higher magnification levels you need a more expensive scope. I do not need photo quality, only the resolution. As you can see in the video the resolution of the objects was as good as the more expensive scope. I have verified at the shooting range that the resolution is good enough to see 6mm bullet holes at 600yd, even with a bit of mirage. It starts getting 'iffy' at 700-800yd. At 1000yd you can see the holes if you use one of the 'color change' targets. At these ranges the mirage can sometimes 'swamp' the image.
The purple hazing is really noticeable on the black bulls eye on the cheaper scope. I just ordered a mid-range priced spotting scope not sure how it's going to turn out but I can send it back if needed.
Thing to keep in mind is the distance. Sure, they're not super different from the distance shown, but once you reach 1000+ yards it's a completely different ball game.
Simply put the more expensive scope allows one to use a greater amount of magnification. The cheaper scope may be 20x to 60x but it is probably not going to be usable past 30x.
Overall comparable. Vortex does have a good reputation. How do they compare over a greater distance? That’ll tell a lot. My SVBony loses clarity and acuity beyond 200m. Still fine for the cost. Many thanks.
I'd only buy Chinese spotters that has "ED" glass such as the 406P or 46P. Anything less without ED glass would have a cloudy image on high magnification.
It took you guys long enough to get started, but I would urge people to get the cheaper model. You're not going to see a huge difference in the image sharpness unless you do critical comparisons of the absolute edges, and most people aren't going to notice that. Where you're going to see the biggest difference is in the _colors_ in the images. I had a Swift® 15-60x 60mm back in the 1970s and it was horrible compared to today's budget scopes. Even scopes costing $100 today (w/BAK4 prisms) are far, far, far better than my Swift scope, which set me back $189! Still, I loved watching the mountains with that Swift! Technology has greatly improved lens quality, and sharpness hadn't been the issue. It's the color. The more expensive glass will provide better color balance and separate the colors better and won't let them bleed. But if you only want sharpness, spend $139 and get a Landove® x20-60 80mm. If you want white whites, spend the extra $$$ and you will be happy.
most of us just need to see bullet holes on a target.........the cheap scope is just fine for that. Low light, some other challenging aspects will show more difference, but really thats to be expected.
From what I've heard from people that spend a lot more time behind scopes than I do, a little bit better glass means a lot less eye fatigue at the end of a long day glassing or shooting.
Benjamin Cooper that’s a really great point, I never thought about that but it makes sense. Wish we could’ve tested it on the trip, but glad you pointed that out!
Interesting review guys, thanks! Side to side the 60x zoomed image makes a big difference in the colours on a white object as seen. That is important cause imagine you are spotting some raindeers over snow, the cheap telescope would be a nightmare! You would never ever find a polar bear then, hahaha! Well, exactly the same on a very bright landscape or some white animals like swans or herons. May not look like too much difference at first glance, but you easily can get tired of that unnnatural colour patterns everywhere as soon as you begin to use intensively the scope, even more if you want to make quality pictures with it. Yes, the price difference is huge, but in this sort of things for getting a fraction of improvement you have to spend a lot of money more for the quality multilayer treatments of glass and things like this. I think that if you are not into serious use of the scope, and not use it often, the cheap one is the logic choice, but if you are into serious use of it, you should think about this issue, maybe making tons of unnnatural pictures will not be a good deal for you.
Very true. Seemingly small upgrades in optics cost a lot. The more you use great glass the more you appreciate it. But I agree if you're not a heavy user, no need to spend the $$.
With Vortex's 100% No Fault warranty, you can accidentally drive your truck over it, drop it off a cliff, or lose it in a house fire, and as long as you can send the remaining parts in, they'll repair or replace it for free, and do it without requiring a receipt or proof of purchase. It also comes with a neoprene protective sleeve to help prevent trail damage.
Chromatic aberration is obvious on the svbony. The colors get dispersed.. the vortex on the other hand has a cleaner true color. The black switch to white without any color fuzzy effect (aka chromatic) . Also The color of the target is pure grey (or pure black). In contrast, The target on the svbonny has a strange halo around the edge between the black and the white. If money isn't an issue..that you have a very well paid job or something i say get the Vortex.. but if your income is in bad shape.. the vortex will severely hurt your finance. Getting a vortex is like getting a zeiss lens , or a leicca camera or mcintosh sound system.. you pay, 4 to 5 times the price for about twice as good only.
Thanks. Useful. I guess Vortex is extra-low-dispersion glass - Vortex 'HD' seems equivalent to everyone else's 'ED'. Svbony have a new ED model - SV406P also takes any 1.25" standard astronomy eyepiece - better quality because fixed magnification and wider field, too. Any chance of a new video? Svbony or importers/agents might loan - or trade-up SV406 -> SV406P. Sell the SV406?
The "P" at the end of the model nber is ED glass so I'm sure it's going to be noticeably clearer than the standard 406. Lots of Amazon reviewers stated theirs were crystal clear. These guys already got a freebie to post a RUclips review. I'm not sure if the company would send them another freebie but who knows?
They look so similar, because they are likely made by the same company. Vortex largely does not make their own products. The optics of the svbonny are certainly worse as others have mentioned. Just because a product might be made by the same company, in the same building, with the same castings... doesn't mean what goes into those products are the same. Obviously, the Vortex has a glass upgrade over the svbonny.
I'm currently researching the SVbony 20-60x80 $340 406P and $243 46P both with ED glass fr Amazon. I really wonder how these compare to the $2000 and under Japanese made spotters. The Chinese optics labeled under under popular USA brand labels are a real racket. Their markup is ridiculously huge. I try and avoid buying anything made in China because of this racket of name brand labeling with overinflated pricing unless they are go sale for 40 - 60% or more off. If Chinese goods are purchased at realistic prices then they represent a good value for your money. If they are priced accordingly you can afford to throw them away and just go and buy a new one instead of having to send them in for a warranty swap. You yourself can save the cash this way instead of feeding corporate greed.
FWIW, the larger objective of the Vortex has nothing whatsoever to do with field of view. The larger objective gives you a bit better ability to gather light. Field of view is controlled by the internals of the scope.
size of field of view, and blurriness at the edge, and There will be a big difference in darkness. Which means you may have to stop hunting an hour earlier if you should use a cheap version. That makes a big difference in price.
It's not a copycat. 90% of all scopes on the market are made by the same factories in China. The "scope companies" are nothing more than marketing companies who supply the parameters to these factories who produce them to the specs requested. Since the products all come off the same assembly lines, they almost look identical.
At what maximum range could you see a target clear enough to see where your shots landed with these spotting scopes? and could you do a video on it as proof is what you can see. I read a review that at 300 yards the bullet holes can't be seen clearly
I have 5 different vintage spotting scopes and can clearly see the bullet holes at 300 yards at 20x. All depends on your target color. I find brown paper works best for long distance it’s not reflective so you can see the black bullet holes much easier than with white paper.
That cheaper scope completely distorted the image. They cloned the case and put shitty glass in it. I can’t imagine how bad it would be in low light or fog.
in bad lighting is where you separate a budget scope from a expensive one, it's like a standard lens vs a ED lens you can hardly see any difference in bright light but at dusk and dawn it's like chalk and cheese
Victor Alexander not necessarily!Everything depends on the glass and coatings.i have seen cheaper scopes that had good glass and fully coated that were every bit as good as expensive models just didn’t have unneeded bells and whistles.
I, like 99% of people, NEVER trust Vortex reviews. The perception is they pay for your reviews. This was against a product 1/3 of it's price. Compare it to an Athlon and the Athlon will destroy it all day long. I'd love to see that comparison by the way. Put the Cronus against ANY Vortex spotter and it loses. Or the Ares w this Vortex. Vortex has JUMPED THE SHARK!!! (you millennials may have to google that term) **This is the 1st video of yours I have seen, you both seem like honest guys, I mean no offense. But I don't think ANYONE (in their right mind) believes a Vortex review at this point.
We weren't reviewing the vortex, it was mainly to compare the Chinese copy cat against the vortex spotter we already owned. This comparison really opened our eyes on vortex to be honest. There is a slight better quality with the vortex, but not enough to justify the $600 plus dollar difference.
@@BrunkOutdoors Did your Vortex break during the review? Is it now being repaired? Thankfully all the repairs you WILL need are covered by an amazing warranty.
OMG, you haven’t noticed the chromatic aberration on the cheap scope? It’s quite bad. Anyway thanks for the footage, now I know Svbony is not really good enough.
At 100 yards doesn't tell me much. Shoot a 308 at 300 yards and tell me if you even see the target and then the hole on the target. I the SVboney will not see it.
hi :) does the svbony sv46 feel cheap/light? how is the handling is the eyepiece smooth when zooming or stiff/cheap? is the eyepiece suitable for glasses, or better without glasses? Thanks :)
I have a Redfield Rampage Spotting scope, use friends Vortex Razor and Athlon Talos units. Watching your video, I see the difference. My Redfield is the same quality as the knock off with better edge quality. The Vortex has greater contrast, minimal chromatic aberrations, higher resolution and almost absent that white magnified smoky haze from lower cost glass. The improvements from good quality to higher quality glass are subtle and mostly noticed only by those who are obsessing about their scopes, or those with many hours on them. What I saw was exactly what Id expect in those price ranges. My friend’s Athlon Talos is a freak.When I look through it, I like it better than the Vortex. However, review videos Ive seen of it show images of what I’d expect at that price range. I am skeptical all Talos are like I saw. Really want to look through a second unit.
Haven't had a chance to test if it holds zero, but mounts just fine and has nice clear glass. Centered vertically true to a plumb line with the crosshairs which is always a plus!It's a great ruclips.net/user/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope. There's no parallax adjustment or focus ring, so may be limited to 3-7x, have to see how it is on the range. Also be aware that the rings are "look through" so you can still use irons, but they are really tall if you only intend to use the optics. On a 22LR no biggie since I'm not shooting competitions or worried about a hard cheek press. Will boresight and range test, if all goes well, I'll leave it at that!
The bigger "end" is called an objective lens. A larger objective lens does not necessarily provide a larger field of view. Generally, the field of view in a scope is determined by the magnification combined with the focal length of the objective/eyepiece combination. A larger objective lens does provide for a larger exit pupil which is an advantage in low light conditions and when using higher magnification.
great explanation!
Copy? They could very well be made in the same factory for two different brands.
Cheaper spotting scopes have color separation at higher powers. On the cheaper one at 60x zoom, you can see the purple start to separate from the black on the target. Colors will start to separate into the colors of the rainbow the higher zoom power you apply
Yes, that purple ring ruins it for me. The more expensive scopes have fully multicoated lenses, but the cheaper ones have multicoated lenses. I'm a purest and the aberration is a show stopper. However, so is the $1,500 price tag on the vortex. I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.
Did they ever mention the distance at which the comparison was made?
@@brianjowaisas3460yes 20yards
Using them in low light would be the correct test.
You are 100 percent correct sir.
Wow I knew there was going to be a difference in quality but I'm surprised how decent the cheap one is
It’s not decent. The chromatic aberration is obvious only at 60 yards. If you look at animals 1-2 miles away. The aberration will probably be so severe you can’t even make out the animal
@@donh1572 for the price what would they be able to do to improve it?
@@kazino21 you can find spotting scopes with low aberration. I have a $100 Alpen 20x50 that is lower in ÇA. But if you really want to see detail at distance. You need to step up the money spent
@@donh1572 I have a Swarovski 2nd hand scope that I bought, but sometimes would be useful to have a cheap one. For the price of the one they've shown is there anything better
@@kazino21 Nikon ED50…you can get one from Japan through Amazon for $400 or so. It is well regarded with great reviews
Thanks for this vid, you helped me decide to go with the cheaper scope.
Agreed, one might be three times the price but not three times the quality.
Great video. I really enjoyed it. Just an interesting development, SVBONY has updated the SV46 with Extremely Low Dispersion (ED) glass and dual focus. It is called the SV46P ED 20-60x80. It has an MSRP of $329. I believe it dropped Nov 26, 2020. SVBONY also makes the SV 406P (also 20-60x80), with ED glass, but it has a replaceable eyepiece with a standard 1.25" interface, for those that like that feature. I cannot afford the Vortex scopes. They are very good.
(Update) I bought the 46P ED one I mentioned above. It is fantastic at 100yds, which is the only distance I needed to reach. Thanks guys!
Svbony SV406P also takes any 1.25" standard astronomy eyepiece - better quality because fixed magnification and wider field, too.
Vortex 'HD' seems equivalent to everyone else's 'ED'.
I am trying to decide between the Athlom Argos, SvBony SV46P or Sv405p, and the Gosky ED for all around the same price. Warranty on Athlom and Gosky are better.
I found the SV46 open box on ebay for $100 and grabbed it.
The bushnell Trophy extreme is underrated.... Around $200 & lifetime warranty . To me it seems as clear as the Vortex diamondback that was double the $... I ended up buyin both the 10x32mm binos & the spotter from bushnell & have not regretted it from Elk in Colorado to Whitetails in Northern Minnesota/Wisconsin
Impressed with both. The Razor is insane though lol. Could just be me but I saw slight color fringing around edges in the cheaper model. Saw some blues/reds/greens But it was very slight. Cheaper model seems great for someone who would prioritize money elsewhere in their gear/life or a person with novice-competent experience and still get great results.
The cheap one is pretty good. I think it's good enough for both hunting and target shooting.
The chromatic aberration is obvious only at 60 yards. If you look at animals 1-2 miles away. The aberration will probably be so severe you can’t even make out the animal
@@donh1572 true it will suck
I'd buy the ED version. You won't get that cloudiness at high magnification. Either the $340 406P or $243 46P. Not sure how much better $103 gets you but both supposedly has ED glass.
The SvBony's FOV is smaller because of a cheaper eyepiece NOT because it is 80mm. Lens size does not affect FOV
Outstanding review guys. Thank you so much from Steve in Suffolk England 🇬🇧😊👌
I have a hard time telling the difference between glass at a 100 yards. Try a 1000+ yards next time the difference will be night and day!
JoeDirtNWC we tried that but didn’t include it in the video, there was a little difference but not a ton. Great point though
@@BrunkOutdoors Good deal if there wasn't a lot of difference. Might have a decent budget spotter there!
Frank Rubi we probably won’t make another video on it but we have gotten a lot of requests so maybe. I can tell you though that the difference was minimal
@@BrunkOutdoors Hey mate could you see a 1/2 meter square gong at 1000 yards? with the cheaper unit or is it really fuzzy?
Manny G you can see leaves on a tree at 1500 with both
Havent you guys noticed the cromatic aberration? Color is totally unnnatural on the cheap scope when totally zoomed.
Chromatic aberration is what you usually get with cheap optics. When it comes to lenses, you get what you pay for.
Chromatic aberration is a result of fast f/ratios. You can correct it to an extent with ED glass in fast f/ratio scopes but even that can't work miracles.
the cheaper one has terrible chromatic abberation and contrast thanks for the comparison!
What i see is that the svbonny not only has much more distortion and unsharpness at the edges but also has significantly more chromatic aberation and vignetting.
Yah, optically the cheaper one is significantly worse in terms of edge clarity, and chromatic aberration.
@@liujw0able yep, though if you are only using it for target shooting, I think it would work fine. Definitely a lower quality image but if you just want to see where the holes are then I'd say it's good enough lol.
granted, at longer ranges, I'm betting the vortex would be far better
In terms of pure functionality I think the Sv is much better value although if you are using a spotting scope a lot It would be appropriate to get the vortex
There's new one with ED glass for $320
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000717491140.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.3e036c37Z1S5A9
frv84 cool scope but I would rather buy a second hand Nikon scope then a Svbonnie.
At some point within the past few years Vortex bought their spotters directly from CHINA when they previously imported their Razor line from Japan. I wonder if yours was the Chinese Vortex Razor compared to the Chinese SVbony. That was a real shocker when I heard about Vortex selling Chinese spotters under their high end Razor line label.
ts funny that a lot of these spotting scopes are made by the same companies, but listed as different names and manufacturers.
Yep. Smart is actually Mercedes.
The fact that you can see the little black ants in the upper left-hand corner with both Scopes pretty much means that you don't have to pay big bucks to have a good spotting scope
You should do a test in low light conditions, thats when quality optics pay off, in this test the differnece is clear, but for the price svbony may have sold me a scope.
I wish vortex made the same budget scopes as binoculars.
Based on this review (mainly) I bought the Svbony. I use it for a target spotting scope so resolution was way more important than chromatic aberration. If you read the specs you'll find the higher quality optics are not used in this one so you will get the color issues at higher magnification. If you want photographic quality images at higher magnification levels you need a more expensive scope.
I do not need photo quality, only the resolution. As you can see in the video the resolution of the objects was as good as the more expensive scope. I have verified at the shooting range that the resolution is good enough to see 6mm bullet holes at 600yd, even with a bit of mirage. It starts getting 'iffy' at 700-800yd. At 1000yd you can see the holes if you use one of the 'color change' targets. At these ranges the mirage can sometimes 'swamp' the image.
The purple hazing is really noticeable on the black bulls eye on the cheaper scope. I just ordered a mid-range priced spotting scope not sure how it's going to turn out but I can send it back if needed.
I believe that's called 'Chromatic Aberration', and it's a common problem on cheaper scopes and lenses..
They are all made in the same factory in china
Thing to keep in mind is the distance. Sure, they're not super different from the distance shown, but once you reach 1000+ yards it's a completely different ball game.
Great test! Thank you! For identifying a bear they are realy enough, but not for birding because of CA. That is way the birders buy 3,5k$ scopes..
Good review! Thanks guys
I do see the blue tinge with the SVBony vs. the true black with the Vortex. Both are nice though.
Simply put the more expensive scope allows one to use a greater amount of magnification. The cheaper scope may be 20x to 60x but it is probably not going to be usable past 30x.
Thanks for the vid . Clarity is better in the Vortex
Nice side by side comparison. Bit of chromatic aberration from the SVBONY 46.
Overall comparable. Vortex does have a good reputation. How do they compare over a greater distance? That’ll tell a lot. My SVBony loses clarity and acuity beyond 200m. Still fine for the cost. Many thanks.
I'd only buy Chinese spotters that has "ED" glass such as the 406P or 46P. Anything less without ED glass would have a cloudy image on high magnification.
It took you guys long enough to get started, but I would urge people to get the cheaper model. You're not going to see a huge difference in the image sharpness unless you do critical comparisons of the absolute edges, and most people aren't going to notice that. Where you're going to see the biggest difference is in the _colors_ in the images. I had a Swift® 15-60x 60mm back in the 1970s and it was horrible compared to today's budget scopes. Even scopes costing $100 today (w/BAK4 prisms) are far, far, far better than my Swift scope, which set me back $189! Still, I loved watching the mountains with that Swift! Technology has greatly improved lens quality, and sharpness hadn't been the issue. It's the color. The more expensive glass will provide better color balance and separate the colors better and won't let them bleed. But if you only want sharpness, spend $139 and get a Landove® x20-60 80mm. If you want white whites, spend the extra $$$ and you will be happy.
most of us just need to see bullet holes on a target.........the cheap scope is just fine for that. Low light, some other challenging aspects will show more difference, but really thats to be expected.
Hello, warranty? You can buy x3 of the cheaper one.
The guy in the black shirts face says it all. Bet you he returned that Vortex haha
Buy 3 of the $250 scope and have a new one waiting in the box...I like Vortex but I recommend the $250 spotting scope here
Great video, Thanks for sharing
Real good video.
Need to test in low light...
How far out is.that target?
The svbony has a CA in the centre wich isn't too bothersome and it can be corrected with a baarder filter. Honesty for the price I would go svbony
Ed glass in vortex note the absence of purple friging/ chromatic abberation.
Try the nipon 25x125x92. That's 125x zoom. Great quality mega power scope for £150 on ebay
Wtf you trying to look a Jupiter with 125x zoom. That’s nutty
@@texastitan6567 its pretty amazing mate
This is great... The high end one is Apo glass and the other is not... is it worth 2x the price... only if I was taking photos from it
From what I've heard from people that spend a lot more time behind scopes than I do, a little bit better glass means a lot less eye fatigue at the end of a long day glassing or shooting.
Benjamin Cooper that’s a really great point, I never thought about that but it makes sense. Wish we could’ve tested it on the trip, but glad you pointed that out!
@@BrunkOutdoors glad I could help! Thanks for taking the time to do the comparison.
Interesting review guys, thanks! Side to side the 60x zoomed image makes a big difference in the colours on a white object as seen. That is important cause imagine you are spotting some raindeers over snow, the cheap telescope would be a nightmare! You would never ever find a polar bear then, hahaha! Well, exactly the same on a very bright landscape or some white animals like swans or herons. May not look like too much difference at first glance, but you easily can get tired of that unnnatural colour patterns everywhere as soon as you begin to use intensively the scope, even more if you want to make quality pictures with it. Yes, the price difference is huge, but in this sort of things for getting a fraction of improvement you have to spend a lot of money more for the quality multilayer treatments of glass and things like this. I think that if you are not into serious use of the scope, and not use it often, the cheap one is the logic choice, but if you are into serious use of it, you should think about this issue, maybe making tons of unnnatural pictures will not be a good deal for you.
Very true. Seemingly small upgrades in optics cost a lot. The more you use great glass the more you appreciate it. But I agree if you're not a heavy user, no need to spend the $$.
Very useful comment to me.
Worth it
thanks
with the cheap one you don't worry about dropping or dinging it.
With Vortex's 100% No Fault warranty, you can accidentally drive your truck over it, drop it off a cliff, or lose it in a house fire, and as long as you can send the remaining parts in, they'll repair or replace it for free, and do it without requiring a receipt or proof of purchase. It also comes with a neoprene protective sleeve to help prevent trail damage.
Well worth the $250. Thats awesome. For a color blind person like me there is no difference.
What was the distance between the scope and the target?
good work guys...keeeepp reviewing
You can see the colors separating at 60x so at 1000yrds it would look really bad and noticeable
The Vortex is better. I'm just not sure whether it's $650 better.
They're probably both made in the same factory with different glass specified by the company that's putting their name plate on it
Chromatic aberration is obvious on the svbony. The colors get dispersed.. the vortex on the other hand has a cleaner true color. The black switch to white without any color fuzzy effect (aka chromatic) . Also The color of the target is pure grey (or pure black). In contrast, The target on the svbonny has a strange halo around the edge between the black and the white. If money isn't an issue..that you have a very well paid job or something i say get the Vortex.. but if your income is in bad shape.. the vortex will severely hurt your finance. Getting a vortex is like getting a zeiss lens , or a leicca camera or mcintosh sound system.. you pay, 4 to 5 times the price for about twice as good only.
Thanks. Useful.
I guess Vortex is extra-low-dispersion glass - Vortex 'HD' seems equivalent to everyone else's 'ED'.
Svbony have a new ED model - SV406P also takes any 1.25" standard astronomy eyepiece - better quality because fixed magnification and wider field, too.
Any chance of a new video?
Svbony or importers/agents might loan - or trade-up SV406 -> SV406P.
Sell the SV406?
The "P" at the end of the model nber is ED glass so I'm sure it's going to be noticeably clearer than the standard 406. Lots of Amazon reviewers stated theirs were crystal clear. These guys already got a freebie to post a RUclips review. I'm not sure if the company would send them another freebie but who knows?
Great Video. i think the housing and designs are the same from mfg to mfg. But the Glass is ....we hope to believe is the difference.
They look so similar, because they are likely made by the same company. Vortex largely does not make their own products.
The optics of the svbonny are certainly worse as others have mentioned. Just because a product might be made by the same company, in the same building, with the same castings... doesn't mean what goes into those products are the same. Obviously, the Vortex has a glass upgrade over the svbonny.
The eye-pieces on both scopes smell like a Brokeback mountain tent
Come on, you're shitting me
What a stupid comment, you're guilty of what you judge others
@@anascottwelding1761 save it for the mountain!
Lol
Expensive at $900? Try Swarovski or Leupold scopes. North of $3,000 bucks! 😂🤣😂
I'm currently researching the SVbony 20-60x80 $340 406P and $243 46P both with ED glass fr Amazon. I really wonder how these compare to the $2000 and under Japanese made spotters. The Chinese optics labeled under under popular USA brand labels are a real racket. Their markup is ridiculously huge. I try and avoid buying anything made in China because of this racket of name brand labeling with overinflated pricing unless they are go sale for 40 - 60% or more off. If Chinese goods are purchased at realistic prices then they represent a good value for your money. If they are priced accordingly you can afford to throw them away and just go and buy a new one instead of having to send them in for a warranty swap. You yourself can save the cash this way instead of feeding corporate greed.
You want "ED" Glass, not the HD if you are taking pictures or going longer distances!
What was the distance from the target?
Raul Vargas 100 yards
If only they knew what they were talking about. Still a valiant effort.
FWIW, the larger objective of the Vortex has nothing whatsoever to do with field of view.
The larger objective gives you a bit better ability to gather light.
Field of view is controlled by the internals of the scope.
Nice video 👍🏻
maybe when you guys grow older this type of video will be more beneficial to your audience
Would I be able to see 30 cal holes on targets at 300 yards?
size of field of view, and blurriness at the edge, and There will be a big difference in darkness. Which means you may have to stop hunting an hour earlier if you should use a cheap version. That makes a big difference in price.
Thanks!
What's the distance from the point of aim to the target?
Now you guys try kowa TSN Prominar spotting scope with comparison Vortex Razor,after looking through Kowa you will start hating Vortex Razor
It's not a copycat. 90% of all scopes on the market are made by the same factories in China. The "scope companies" are nothing more than marketing companies who supply the parameters to these factories who produce them to the specs requested. Since the products all come off the same assembly lines, they almost look identical.
At what maximum range could you see a target clear enough to see where your shots landed with these spotting scopes? and could you do a video on it as proof is what you can see. I read a review that at 300 yards the bullet holes can't be seen clearly
Manny Grima we haven’t used this to shoot past 200 yards, so can’t answer that. But we were able to see where we hit at 200
I have 5 different vintage spotting scopes and can clearly see the bullet holes at 300 yards at 20x. All depends on your target color. I find brown paper works best for long distance it’s not reflective so you can see the black bullet holes much easier than with white paper.
That cheaper scope completely distorted the image. They cloned the case and put shitty glass in it. I can’t imagine how bad it would be in low light or fog.
Are both spotting scopes chinese?
The real test is at dusk and dawn
in bad lighting is where you separate a budget scope from a expensive one, it's like a standard lens vs a ED lens you can hardly see any difference in bright light but at dusk and dawn it's like chalk and cheese
Victor Alexander not necessarily!Everything depends on the glass and coatings.i have seen cheaper scopes that had good glass and fully coated that were every bit as good as expensive models just didn’t have unneeded bells and whistles.
was the same phone used on both scopes `=?
The Cheaper one has a huge Chromatic Aborration useless in Birding then
the svbony has a blue ting to the image.
I'd rather buy two Bonys, and keep the spare in the truck. No-brainer.
At 100 yards the SV has the purple hugh. I would bet at 500 plus it's terrible.
What range was that?
I, like 99% of people, NEVER trust Vortex reviews. The perception is they pay for your reviews. This was against a product 1/3 of it's price. Compare it to an Athlon and the Athlon will destroy it all day long. I'd love to see that comparison by the way. Put the Cronus against ANY Vortex spotter and it loses. Or the Ares w this Vortex. Vortex has JUMPED THE SHARK!!! (you millennials may have to google that term)
**This is the 1st video of yours I have seen, you both seem like honest guys, I mean no offense. But I don't think ANYONE (in their right mind) believes a Vortex review at this point.
We weren't reviewing the vortex, it was mainly to compare the Chinese copy cat against the vortex spotter we already owned. This comparison really opened our eyes on vortex to be honest. There is a slight better quality with the vortex, but not enough to justify the $600 plus dollar difference.
@@BrunkOutdoors Did your Vortex break during the review? Is it now being repaired? Thankfully all the repairs you WILL need are covered by an amazing warranty.
Just like everything in life, the expensive one is getting into the diminishing return area!
OMG, you haven’t noticed the chromatic aberration on the cheap scope? It’s quite bad. Anyway thanks for the footage, now I know Svbony is not really good enough.
What’s the comparison out past 100 yards or so? Are they still close to having the clear view?
Will W yes the comparison was out at 100 yards on the dot. We forgot to say that sorry
The foreign copycat... where's that vortex made ;)
The cheap one for the win.
How many yards was this test at?
The sv def has false color but who cares when you just wanting to see where the bullet holes are.
At 100 yards doesn't tell me much. Shoot a 308 at 300 yards and tell me if you even see the target and then the hole on the target. I the SVboney will not see it.
hi :)
does the svbony sv46 feel cheap/light?
how is the handling
is the eyepiece smooth when zooming or stiff/cheap?
is the eyepiece suitable for glasses, or better without glasses?
Thanks :)
M S no, it doesn’t feel cheap at all. The eye piece is adjustable for glasses.
Was it just my feeble eyesight or did the Bony make the target images look blue as opposed to the Vortex looking black?
Chromatic aberration - purple fringing
I have a Redfield Rampage Spotting scope, use friends Vortex Razor and Athlon Talos units. Watching your video, I see the difference. My Redfield is the same quality as the knock off with better edge quality. The Vortex has greater contrast, minimal chromatic aberrations, higher resolution and almost absent that white magnified smoky haze from lower cost glass. The improvements from good quality to higher quality glass are subtle and mostly noticed only by those who are obsessing about their scopes, or those with many hours on them. What I saw was exactly what Id expect in those price ranges. My friend’s Athlon Talos is a freak.When I look through it, I like it better than the Vortex. However, review videos Ive seen of it show images of what I’d expect at that price range. I am skeptical all Talos are like I saw. Really want to look through a second unit.
How far away were you guys?
Cheap vs "Expensive"... High End spotting scopes are 4 grand... More like Cheap vs Mid-Range
Sure, but what about 2kms away on a stone sheep..?