How Porsche Owns Volkswagen and Volkswagen Owns Porsche

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  • @TheMrFabian1
    @TheMrFabian1 Год назад +4683

    The story how Volkswagen became the most valuable company is actually even better. Volkswagen was not very well off at the time due to the financial crisis and short-sellers were all over it. At that time they had open positions for 12% of all common stock. However, Porsche had bought so many shares, that only 6% of shares were freefloat, thus creating a giant short-squeeze, making Volkswagen the original rich-people's gamestop.

    • @sean9163
      @sean9163 Год назад +36

      Volkswagen is not the "most" valuable company, it is the "more" valuable company :) good story though

    • @Nderak
      @Nderak Год назад

      fuck all shorts

    • @xander1052
      @xander1052 Год назад +64

      @@sean9163 didn't know that volkswagen was a country instead of a company

    • @Dangermad
      @Dangermad Год назад +307

      ​​@@sean9163no... you're just confidently incorrect. Volkswagen was literally the most valuable company in the world for a short period of time, you'd know that if you paid attention to the video instead of correcting people in the comments.

    • @LMacNeill
      @LMacNeill Год назад +47

      @@sean9163 If there were only two companies in the world, you would be correct. Last time I checked, though, there are at least three companies being publicly traded...

  • @ricequackers
    @ricequackers Год назад +5846

    In the late 2000s, Porsche was described as "a hedge fund that just happens to make sports cars on the side". This is exactly why. 😁

    • @satakrionkryptomortis
      @satakrionkryptomortis Год назад +101

      for the owner family thats still true to the letter

    • @estenderyt
      @estenderyt Год назад +33

      in the late 2000s? so like, 2990s?

    • @jbird4478
      @jbird4478 Год назад +158

      ​@@estenderyt No, the 2000s always refers to a decade because reasons.

    • @SissypheanCatboy
      @SissypheanCatboy Год назад +101

      ​​@@jbird4478because calling it the '00s looks stupid and also could mean 1900-1909

    • @estenderyt
      @estenderyt Год назад +1

      @@jbird4478 k

  • @Toast4tw
    @Toast4tw Год назад +841

    Fun fact:
    they just play this video on repeat in Guantanamo bay for any german speakers until they just can't take the pronunciation anymore.

    • @friedrichrubinstein
      @friedrichrubinstein Год назад +88

      It really was painful. I have never seen an E treated so badly as the one in Porsche.

    • @christophsaviation2045
      @christophsaviation2045 Год назад +16

      I was already defenestrating my PC after listening to the video once.

    • @MaticTheProto
      @MaticTheProto Год назад +22

      I love poursh and wolkswagn 🥰🇩🇪

    • @rennanizarchi7441
      @rennanizarchi7441 9 месяцев назад +1

      Porshy

    • @EEEEEEEE
      @EEEEEEEE 7 месяцев назад +1

      E‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎

  • @Finkelfunk
    @Finkelfunk Год назад +2143

    We actually talked through this in our economics class in uni last year. Basically this was an ingenious strategy by the Porsche/Piech family to take control over the biggest car manufacturer in the world despite not even being able to afford it. Our professor actually ranted about how stupid economics journalists were when they wrote articles about how "Volkswagen bought Porsche because they went bankrupt and Volkswagen now controls them".

    • @tatianaes3354
      @tatianaes3354 Год назад

      BTW, was not Piech family also patented Nazis just as Porsche himself?
      Funny how fake the Western German denazification was, despite the country brainwashing its children with an opposite claim in the schools.
      In reality, things were so bad that Nazis got to helm NATO and found the German secrete police, responsible for cleansing the country from communists (just as Nazis did in the 1930s).

    • @haehlenlinus
      @haehlenlinus Год назад +49

      He likes Porsches.

    • @centenarigamer
      @centenarigamer Год назад +5

      Would you please elaborate a bit more on that? Sounds really interesting.

    • @bachpham6862
      @bachpham6862 Год назад +194

      @@centenarigamer As explained by the video: Porsche owns the Porsche holding company which controls Porsche the car manufacturer. Now, Porsche wants to buy up Volkswagen, but he doesn't have cash to do so, so he sold Porsche car manufacturer to Volkswagen for cash. Then he use the cash to buy up a controlling stake in Volkswagen so Porsche now owns Volkswagen which owns Porsche manufacturing.
      This is effectively a Merger & Acquisition between both companies and corporate restructuring. The result would have been the same had Volkswagen sold itself cheaply to Porsche, and Porsche give the Volkswagen's management control of Porsche cars.

    • @Finkelfunk
      @Finkelfunk Год назад +26

      @@centenarigamer Basically what bachpham said. I'm a little fuzzy on the details as well, but they basically followed the strategy described in the video. There's several other scandals surrounding VW well, so many in fact he dedicated an entire lecture just to those. Was one of the funniest things I've witnessed thus far.
      There's corruption like the Lopez-affaire where a man by the same name first almost bankrupted Opel and General Motors with the way he managed acquisition of resources before swapping over to VW.
      Another scandal worth mentioning was the scandal surrounding the workers union representative of VW, "Klaus" and the Chief HR Manager "Peter". Now in return for just letting all of the union representation fall under the table "Klaus" wife in Brazil was given supposed contracts and payments that were never actually being delivered. When all of this came to light they couldn't actually put "Peter" in jail. His full name is "Peter Hartz" and he's actually the person that's responsible for Hartz-4 in Germany, a kind of social support food stamp program. They feared if he went to jail a lot of poor people would just stab him to death for that.
      VW has tons of these so it's really fun to dig into that if you have time.

  • @sailorstu
    @sailorstu Год назад +2256

    Don't forget, they both own Audi, and Audi owns both of them.
    VW also owns Bentley, and Audi owns Lamborghini.
    They also own more additional car companies than I can count.

    • @ScottRothsroth0616
      @ScottRothsroth0616 Год назад +315

      Officially called Volkswagen Group (“Volkswagen AG”)

    • @RayaRSS
      @RayaRSS Год назад +84

      Imagine working for them all 😭😭😭

    • @gqh007
      @gqh007 Год назад +153

      The VAG -ina

    • @sailorstu
      @sailorstu Год назад +16

      @@RayaRSS Do they all cut you a separate pay cheque 🤔

    • @RayaRSS
      @RayaRSS Год назад +43

      @@sailorstu no, each company employs its own people

  • @uq0de
    @uq0de Год назад +1352

    did you just pronounce "porsh" wrong and called the beetle extremely ugly in one video?
    -me, a furious german

    • @stefthepef
      @stefthepef Год назад +123

      I believe he did. I was even willing to let the pronunciation slide until he besmirched the cute lil' Beetle.
      - Me, also deeply offended about it

    • @muadddib
      @muadddib Год назад +22

      Yes, that one hurt :(

    • @megamaser
      @megamaser Год назад +6

      It hurts because it's true.

    • @highqualityorangejuice420
      @highqualityorangejuice420 Год назад +30

      ​@megamaser that's why you're adopted

    • @vanwesthuizen7427
      @vanwesthuizen7427 Год назад +5

      Fühl ich.

  • @MissDatherinePierce
    @MissDatherinePierce Год назад +527

    The Volkswagen Act is actually still in place (the German wikipedia article is very long in the EU section) and the holder of the 20,2% shares is technically not the Federal Republic of Germany but the state of Lower-Saxony. The only thing that really changed is the section that no matter how many shares you own you could only act as if you had 20%. This has been abolished. But the 20,2% in shares remain with the state. They also kept the 4/5 majority which I honestly appreciate as someone who lives in a region that depends on the jobs and Porsche has in the past threatened to bleed the VW productions facilities out and to close some of them to recoup their losses.
    Btw there is also the Volkswagengroup which is the same to Volkswagen as Porsche SE is to Porsche AG. This can get difficult if you work for them and you want to switch positions between the group and the brand.

    • @tacoaficionado
      @tacoaficionado Год назад

      Screw your minister of Transport and other politicians

    • @Homer-OJ-Simpson
      @Homer-OJ-Simpson Год назад

      I saw this on nebula a day ago. I thought the video mentioned that? That they abolished the rule.

    • @MicrosoftSam92
      @MicrosoftSam92 Год назад +38

      Another fun fact: part of the punishment in Dieselgate was payment of a billion Euros to the state of Lower Saxony, i.e., a shareholder.

    • @COPKALA
      @COPKALA Год назад +14

      The LS-state was really clever.
      In Italy the government basically gave over and over and over again a lot of money to FIAT which was an employer with ~1 million workers (during the golden ages of the production) without gaining any control on the decisions of the company (which fired many times many people immediately after getting the help from the state... or kept the workers in 'kurz-arbeit' equivalent status for months at a time).
      In the years 2000 FIAT had barely 20k workers and lost most of the Italian market.

    • @MrNicoJac
      @MrNicoJac Год назад +1

      Why is it difficult to switch between the group and the brand? :)

  • @signbear999
    @signbear999 Год назад +973

    As the owner of a Porsche, I can confirm my car owns me.

    • @stevensarson482
      @stevensarson482 Год назад +13

      Yes absolutely. It’s the only thing I have ever paid for that still isn’t mine ( and I don’t mean a credit agreement). The only worthwhile accessory for a 911 would be a forcefield.

    • @BMW_Z4idiot
      @BMW_Z4idiot Год назад +5

      YOU CAR'S ENGINE IS ON THE WRONG SIDE

    • @adamuk73
      @adamuk73 Год назад +5

      It owns your wallet, that's for sure.

    • @graphite718
      @graphite718 Год назад +1

      I felt this.

    • @FisicaFacil.
      @FisicaFacil. Год назад +7

      @@BMW_Z4idiot Weight balance makes the 911 one of the best production cars in history, and by far the most succesfull race car

  • @Chucklet11
    @Chucklet11 Год назад +1395

    "1937 and berlin is a combo of date and location that goes together like peanut butter and Hitler" is one of the best jokes you've made on this channel. Well done.

    • @LoFiAxolotl
      @LoFiAxolotl Год назад +11

      actually started laughing out loud

    • @kennethkho7165
      @kennethkho7165 Год назад +1

      Hitler and Jews

    • @plasmaxl8626
      @plasmaxl8626 Год назад +10

      I think it was the perfect delivery that made it so funny xD

    • @visiblerat
      @visiblerat Год назад +2

      fr caught me so off guard

    • @janspacek2887
      @janspacek2887 Год назад +4

      I lost it when Hitler got distracted by Jews existing and no one got the car. 😅

  • @namenamename390
    @namenamename390 Год назад +1921

    "Porsche" is said so often in this video, I bet it was a delibertate choice to bait people into correcting Sam's pronounciation. On that note, "Porsche" is a two syllable word, it doesn't have a silent e at the end.

    • @Frdnnd
      @Frdnnd Год назад +60

      Exactly
      Porsh-Aye

    • @itsgonnabeanaurfromme
      @itsgonnabeanaurfromme Год назад +76

      The sheer stupidity of pointing out it was a bait and still being such a know-it-all that you fell for it, KNOWING so many people already corrected him.

    • @marcuskrogsgaard4555
      @marcuskrogsgaard4555 Год назад +174

      @@Frdnnd the german pronunciation is closer to "por-shuh"

    • @namenamename390
      @namenamename390 Год назад +88

      @@itsgonnabeanaurfromme or, perhaps, I was trying to be funny. I guess German humour doesn't work well over text.

    • @felixw19
      @felixw19 Год назад +50

      The Problem is that native english speakers just refuse to pronounce Es at the end of words...

  • @tremondial
    @tremondial Год назад +276

    Porsche also received a royalty fee for every VW Beetle ever sold. And since the Beetle at its time was the most sold car in the world, this fee amounted to a lot of money. This is how Porsche was able to buy so many VW shares and service such a large debt.

    • @LoFiAxolotl
      @LoFiAxolotl Год назад +17

      no.... that happened in literally 2 different millenia.... porsche was able to get such a huge loan because once they had purchased 15% of VW stock they were big enough to be considered systematic and at that point you can get pretty much infinite amounts of loans from the german development bank at cost...

    • @c.j.3404
      @c.j.3404 Год назад +7

      I'm pretty sure the beetle is still the best selling car in history.

    • @gave2haze
      @gave2haze Год назад

      ​@@tremondialprofit from selling 911s

    • @tremondial
      @tremondial Год назад +3

      @@c.j.3404 by now it's actually the Toyota Corolla. The Beetle stopped production long ago, while the world kept growing. Today its not even in top 5 - but the VW Golf & VW Passaat are.

    • @bradevans7935
      @bradevans7935 Год назад +8

      @@tremondial The Beetle is still the best selling car in history, when you define it by the terms of being one basic design with relatively minor changes during the model run. Cars like the Corolla or Golf don't count in the same way as there are different designs of each every few years, with very little carried over between succeeding generation.

  • @Caretoexplainwatchamean
    @Caretoexplainwatchamean Год назад +118

    Can we just talk about how he called the beetle "ugly"?
    I appreciate every discussion and I gladly accept different opinions. But this is the first time I ever heard someone say that.

    • @ivzh5025
      @ivzh5025 Год назад +10

      Agreed, I think its a rather charming compact car.

    • @redey1290
      @redey1290 Год назад +4

      The Beetle was notoriously made fun of on Top Gear as well. I always thought they were very neat cars though, and a great way to get into classic car ownership actually

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso Год назад +7

      In Latin America calling the beetle ugly is an easy way to get thrown in jail.

    • @ElusiveTy
      @ElusiveTy Год назад

      Idk, it's a bit like an ugly duckling. It's cute and endearing, while also being ugly, and that's alright.

    • @exelrode
      @exelrode Год назад +1

      @@ElusiveTy while I know its all subjective, very few people would actually call the beetle an ugly car and honestly if you compare it with most american cars back in the day, it's better looking than most of them and I say that as a car enthusiast

  • @JackJackProductions
    @JackJackProductions Год назад +4729

    Sam, I can't believe you do not know how to pronounce Porsche

    • @existentialselkath1264
      @existentialselkath1264 Год назад +348

      At this point, I can't believe ANYONE knows how to pronounce Porsche

    • @sabersz
      @sabersz Год назад +436

      I know the correct way is Porsh-uh, but I just don't care and keep saying it 'Porsh'

    • @AlphaGeekgirl
      @AlphaGeekgirl Год назад +122

      And I bet you don’t pronounce Volkswagen correctly either.

    • @jtgd
      @jtgd Год назад

      PorshuhébuttheEisentirelysilent

    • @Th3Shrike
      @Th3Shrike Год назад +191

      ​@@AlphaGeekgirl'folks vagen'

  • @quintessences
    @quintessences Год назад +85

    This reminds me of the equally legally confusing corporate structure that is Pokémon. Please do a video

    • @EEEEEEEE
      @EEEEEEEE 7 месяцев назад

      E‎ ‎

  • @lonestranger
    @lonestranger Год назад +91

    Correction right off the bat: The Chrysler Corporation no longer exists, and therefore cannot own other brands or companies. Stellantis owns the Chrysler & Dodge brands, the FIAT company, and the Maserati company. Today, neither Chrysler or Dodge exist as companies, they're merely brand names under Stellantis. This same arrangement existed during the time of Stellantis's predecessor, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

    • @guilhermetavares4705
      @guilhermetavares4705 Год назад +7

      Stellantis = FCA (Fiat, Chrysler, Dodge, RAM, Jeep...) + PSA (Peugeot, Citroen, Opel)

  • @juliane__
    @juliane__ Год назад +67

    You missed the whole infighting thing around Piech and Wiedeking. Piech is a descendand of Porsche and as CEO of VW owned a big portion of ..... Porsche SE, not AG. You could make a way bigger, actually funnily confusing video out of it, that is maybe worth the ad at the end.

    • @ZeDestructor00
      @ZeDestructor00 Год назад +4

      So much this. When you *really* look at it, it wasn't really about the manufacturing (especially later), but rather the fight between Piech and the Porsche family for ownership of Porsche. It just so happened that the excuses cooked up on the spot to placate the usual business folks managed to just barely pass muster.

    • @juliane__
      @juliane__ Год назад +1

      @@ZeDestructor00 I would really like to listen to one who has insights to it. I still remember some articles about. It was the biggest and loudest industry competition in Germany for at least this decade. I would say a couple of decades. But my knowledge is finite too.

  • @Pikog777
    @Pikog777 Год назад +31

    0:48 bro did NOT just call the vw beetle ugly

    • @theneptunespear
      @theneptunespear Год назад +1

      Fr bro imma start ww3 for that right there

    • @d9zirable
      @d9zirable 8 месяцев назад

      He's right though

    • @dexterie
      @dexterie 7 месяцев назад

      Ikr? Completely blind 😦

  • @xxFxDx
    @xxFxDx Год назад +60

    You've got a glaring error regarding the Volkswagen law in the video. The Volkswagen law consists of multiple sections, among which two are relevant: one made it a rule that any single party, no matter their share amount, could only have 20% of the voting rights. This part was ruled illegal by the european court. A second part, requiring an 80% majority to change the articles of association, is still in place today. You can read it up on the german Wikipedia page: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW-Gesetz

  • @shanemooon
    @shanemooon Год назад +78

    This is one of the best examples of how money is basically fake and does not matter.

    • @LibertyGunsBeerTrump
      @LibertyGunsBeerTrump Год назад +9

      Also at the same time one of the most important things in the world

    • @drizmans
      @drizmans Год назад +5

      It's literally the opposite of meaning that. What isn't immediately obvious is that creative financial instrumentation like this is one way we excite economic growth, because you're kind of artificially inflating money supply through the creation of debt - which the government wants a certain level of. A certain level of serviceable debt is healthy for the economy. It's a problem when debt becomes unserviceable (aka people can't afford the interest)

    • @SQERDOMOONLIGHT
      @SQERDOMOONLIGHT Год назад

      @@drizmans Aka the US government in a few years...

    • @LiftandCoa
      @LiftandCoa 5 месяцев назад

      It doesnt even serve as a logical explainations as to why "money is basically fake".
      Yet alone as a good one.

    • @CTY547
      @CTY547 5 месяцев назад

      Money, just like every other part of society, is literally just a big game of pretend that all of us humans have deluded ourselves into believing are real and important.

  • @Mo-du6bn
    @Mo-du6bn Год назад +110

    As a german, I feel the urgent need to tell you that you have to pronounce the „e“ in Porsche. Kind of like „Porschuh“ 😂

    • @paulds65
      @paulds65 Год назад

      I was about to make the same remark.

    • @Aniqa101
      @Aniqa101 Год назад +4

      There even is a video of Porsche on how to pronounce Porsche.

    • @jasonhatt4295
      @jasonhatt4295 Год назад +1

      I hope it’s in the owners manual too.

    • @goatgamer001
      @goatgamer001 Год назад

      In America they call porsche porsh

    • @Mo-du6bn
      @Mo-du6bn Год назад +5

      @@goatgamer001 yes but it does not change the fact that it‘s wrong

  • @sophiaisabelle027
    @sophiaisabelle027 Год назад +95

    We appreciate your insights. These car brands are absolutely intriguing to learn about.

  • @AgentH8voc
    @AgentH8voc Год назад +9

    Inb4 tons of comments criticizing your pronunciation of “porsche”

  • @YvonTripper
    @YvonTripper Год назад +17

    This is a "reverse takeover" and is actually pretty common. A company buys a business, but instead of paying the owners of the business in cash, they get paid in shares of the buyer. This makes sense where the buyer doesn't have a lot of spare cash but is able to convince the owners they have a good plan to make both their own company and the business they are buying more profitable in the future.
    But I've also seen it happen where the buyer's board of directors realizes their business is too small to be profitable, but instead of selling their assets off like responsible directors to make the shareholders whatever they can, the board instead tries to acquire another business and hope the two businesses together will be big enough to start making money. This rarely works and just dilutes the company's existing shareholders, but in the meantime the directors get to keep their jobs.

    • @dgpsf
      @dgpsf Год назад +2

      Hey wait a minute, are you talking about me????
      - Eddie Lampert, legendary best CEO ever

  • @deutschthomas2751
    @deutschthomas2751 Год назад +14

    I think the history of power struggles inside the Porsche/Piech family is strongly related to this topic and is worthy for another quite longer video

  • @PRIMEVAL543
    @PRIMEVAL543 Год назад +76

    Fun fact: the e in Porsche isnt there for decoration...

  • @JJ-sd4kb
    @JJ-sd4kb Год назад +46

    the analogy sam gave for porche ag and se was hilarious

  • @SundarSrinivasHarish
    @SundarSrinivasHarish Год назад +6

    The backstory aside, the actual ownership structure is not that complicated if you think of Porsche SE as the Porsche-Piech family holding and Porsche AG as the car company.

  • @won1853
    @won1853 Год назад +4

    This is actually very straightforward in the world of corporate ownership. You should see some of the circular ownership structures in Korean Chaebols, i.e. Samsung, LG, Hyundai...

  • @DZ477
    @DZ477 Год назад +62

    Props to HAI for showing the symbol and not being fearful of demonetization!

  • @CYMotorsport
    @CYMotorsport Год назад +3

    1:58 actually shocked you didn’t tell people he stole the design to which they lost the lawsuit no after the war. That’s legitimately the most interesting link haha

  • @halulife35
    @halulife35 Год назад +5

    0:32 the neighbors are hearing me wheeze rn lmfao

  • @sanjay48m
    @sanjay48m Год назад +26

    I am very proud to say that I finally knew about a weird thing before it came on Half as Interesting😂😂

  • @Matt-xc6sp
    @Matt-xc6sp Год назад +115

    Was a vegetarian, loved dogs, and wanted to expand transportation opportunities to all classes. What a nice guy.

    • @hoisamuro
      @hoisamuro Год назад

      Nazi

    • @StukovM1g
      @StukovM1g Год назад +22

      Just a pity about the war mongering and genocide.

    • @patricknevermind8529
      @patricknevermind8529 Год назад +9

      There's good in bad people & bad in good people. But it is unwise to ignore their actions.

    • @Matt-xc6sp
      @Matt-xc6sp Год назад +7

      @@patricknevermind8529 whoa dude I was kidding.

    • @Phobero
      @Phobero Год назад +1

      Something about his eyes... hypnotic

  • @hans8372
    @hans8372 11 месяцев назад +2

    Actually the Porsche SE own the Volkswagen Group which owns the Audi Group which own Lamborghini Automobili which owns the Ducati Motor Holding. Yes, that's not a joke.

  • @MrBelles104
    @MrBelles104 Год назад +31

    It seems that Porsche is truly in control as their many company owns the car company that owns their car company.

  • @drjamespotter
    @drjamespotter Год назад +2

    Porsche also owns a very successful management consultancy and engineering/manufacturing IT consultancy. I work for a VW Group brand and they win work from us competitively as both are very good. The other brands have to use Group engineering IT systems (which are often horrible), but Porsche can do whatever they like. They are in Group when it suits them and out when it doesn't.

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz Год назад

      Ahahah i remember trying to get any engineering supplies from VW, working at their semi-subsidiary. It was impossible.

  • @998theraff
    @998theraff Год назад +4

    The E at the end of Prosche is there for a reason

  • @jangschoen1019
    @jangschoen1019 Год назад +63

    You know, Porsche does have a pronunciation video for "Porsche"

    • @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou
      @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou Год назад +3

      People mispronounce foreign words all the time. What makes "Porsche" special?

    • @yessir4859
      @yessir4859 Год назад +9

      @@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou If you're going to make an informative video, wouldn't it make sense to pronounce their name properly?

    • @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou
      @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou Год назад +4

      @@yessir4859 "Porsche" is so frequently pronounced without the final schwa in American English (and maybe other dialects) that it's practically the standard pronunciation at this point. You wouldn't expect an educational English-language video about Paris to pronounce "Paris" the French way.

    • @gave2haze
      @gave2haze Год назад +4

      Its a brand name, they require their name to be pronounced (?) and used in the proper context depending on their trademark to avoid things like genericisation (might have spelt that wrong)

    • @JoeJohnson-mk4qd
      @JoeJohnson-mk4qd Год назад +5

      @@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou He just said.... they have a video telling you how to say it.

  • @TheMrFabian1
    @TheMrFabian1 Год назад +67

    As a German I have to - and I am dearly sorry about that - be the wise-guy to point out that this pronunciation of Porsche is awfully off.

    • @xander1052
      @xander1052 Год назад

      it's a big issue with many americans and brits, in spite of Top Gear still a lot of people pronounce Porsche as if the e doesn't exist

    • @Iambestforreal
      @Iambestforreal Год назад

      ikr its pronouced like PORSHA thats kinda how u pronounce it

    • @fortimusprime
      @fortimusprime Год назад

      I'm not German and I know this is not how either of these brands are pronounced. Like you say, Porsche is supposed to be said like "porsh-uh", and Volkswagen is supposed to be said "Folks-vagen"

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 Год назад

      As a speaker of (American) English, I have to - and I am not too sorry about that - be the wise guy to point out that YOUR language is incomprehensible most of the time.
      Here in English, when we make/find a new thing, we make a new word for it.
      In German, when you make/find a new thing, you smash lots of your existing words together in a tongue twister.

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 Год назад

      @@Iambestforreal I pronounce it "Uppity VW"

  • @mujjuman
    @mujjuman Год назад +2

    as a german car and porsche enthusiast, i never figured this out by myself until u explained it so well.

  • @JannesJustus
    @JannesJustus Год назад +4

    Can’t blame you for how you pronounce Volkswagen, but I do blame you for how you pronounce Porsche

  • @leonohlinger3237
    @leonohlinger3237 Год назад +12

    “porsh”

  • @ylya_ylya
    @ylya_ylya Год назад +4

    the 20% voting shares are actually not owned by the German government but by the federal state of Lower Saxony which is a completely different entity

  • @itryen7632
    @itryen7632 9 месяцев назад +8

    Least confusing German company

  • @neondemon5137
    @neondemon5137 Год назад +8

    Even Hollywood's creative accountants would blush from shame at this fiasco.

  • @der.Schtefan
    @der.Schtefan Год назад +2

    That's now how you pronounce Porsche. The e is not silent.

  • @komentierer
    @komentierer Год назад +7

    This was sloppy research at best. Your take on why Porsche and VW tried to exert influence on one another is completely wrong!
    The rivalry of the Piech and Porsche families is absolutely crucial to the story, it's what dictated both companie's modern histories

    • @thetaomega7816
      @thetaomega7816 Год назад +2

      the power struggle of Porsche vs Piech is enough for seasons of Televisions, soooo yes this is crazily dumbed down

    • @planej6315
      @planej6315 Год назад +1

      Also the 356 wasn't shoddily built in the VW factory with VW, but rather in its own designeated Porsche factory in Stuttgart and not Germany but the state of Niedersachsen keeps 20% of VW and and and... way too many errors and not enough information

  • @orthodox-mp6hv
    @orthodox-mp6hv Год назад +1

    Fun fact - at one point the People's Republic of Bulgaria owned 8% of VW. Todor Zhivkov, the general secretary was a bit of a celebrity there.

  • @ryanroberts1104
    @ryanroberts1104 Год назад +5

    Corporate paperwork is always so exciting! My business works similarly, I am a landlord, but I don't own the house I live in, my company does, and I pay me rent. And then collect a paycheck. Loopholes are fun!

    • @erkinyldrm6579
      @erkinyldrm6579 Год назад

      Don't you pay taxes from rent to goverment?

    • @ryanroberts1104
      @ryanroberts1104 Год назад +2

      @@erkinyldrm6579 Houses are a depreciating asset, according to the IRS. So in theory yes, but every penny I spend on maintenance and principle payments is a write off...and that cost more than rent.
      One of the biggest reasons for renting from myself is red tape and insurance. Now if I injure myself I could also sue myself so my insurance pays for damages! LOL! 'Merica!
      But yes I do pay an absurd amount of property taxes! :)
      (When I say "myself" my personal name and my LLC are two different entities...sorta)

    • @erkinyldrm6579
      @erkinyldrm6579 Год назад +1

      @@ryanroberts1104 Gotta love loop holes like you said. Thanks for having the time for a detailed answer. So cool!

  • @stijnvandamme76
    @stijnvandamme76 Год назад +2

    Car journalists had ADD problems and have been unable to figure any of this out, despite it being pretty obvious and visible on the Porsche SE website.
    Simply put, the Original Porsche AG, (the air cooled Porsches company) is now Porsche SE, it owns VAG and everything in it + Porsche financial, engineering, Design and some other tidbits.
    The current Porsche AG is a brand new company, and is simply parked within VAG alongside all the other brands they have in there

  • @Lawz2000
    @Lawz2000 Год назад +9

    I remember the back and forth in around 2008 Porsche was buying VW the next week it was VW buying Porsche 😂

    • @aritakalo8011
      @aritakalo8011 Год назад +3

      Even funnier was Porsche going "no we aren't planning to buy VW controlling stake", see we have no more active buys. While at the same time buying bunch of later maturing binding buy contracts of various weird arrangements. Which is technically different and they didn't need to disclose, because stock market rules. Utterly devious and questionable morals regarding honesty and good faith acting on stock market? Oh absolutely. Still technically legal? Well yes also, since Porsche SE had their legal department working overtime everything was technically legal.
      Then just one day they went. Oh right, we have this many shares and ... ... enough later maturing contracts (soon to mature all on one go) for already set buys to be in controlling sake. Oops did we mislead you about that controlling stake thing. Well rules say we didn't technically lie. So it's legal. That is also the moment the squeeze happened.
      Since it seemed there was float on the market, but then when Porsche SE revealed their hand and how much pending buys they had in place, everyone realised "crappie, that means there isn't enough float to cover all these shorts".
      Porsche SE did all this maneuvering, since as said they really didn't have the funds to buy VW and even more certainly wouldn't have it upon everyone knowing they were planning for controlling stake. Everyone would just wait for price to go up and Porsche come knocking. Say they lied and hid their acquisition in complex technically legal arrangements.

  • @IronMaiden1164
    @IronMaiden1164 Год назад +1

    I just realized that this was Sam from Jetlag

  • @johnnysun6495
    @johnnysun6495 Год назад +7

    Oi! The pie chart at 1:46 adds up to 100.2%

  • @walpoleandworcester
    @walpoleandworcester Год назад +8

    Half as Interesting also has a stake in Nebula and Nebula has a stake in him and Wendover Productions. Touche! 😂

    • @gave2haze
      @gave2haze Год назад +2

      Sam owns and created nebula, while nebula owns and created some of his original series

  • @marcelsantee1809
    @marcelsantee1809 Год назад +18

    Did you just call the Beetle extremely ugly? How dare you?

  • @matrick1356
    @matrick1356 Год назад +2

    I WAS LITERALLY SEARCHING THIS THE OTHER DAY like what the hell is the thing between porche and volkswagen this video could not have came more on time

  • @mage1over137
    @mage1over137 Год назад +10

    To be fair this is only weird because of the naming. But really this is just an structuring of assets, I'm sure there are other companies that have done the exact same thing. Also the 80% rule just made it harder to pull off.

    • @gave2haze
      @gave2haze Год назад

      While the financial process is not complicated, the story of Porsche and wv is so historic this is just one of the more interesting chapters, they are literally unable to not coexist in some way

    • @Icetea-2000
      @Icetea-2000 Год назад

      @@gave2hazeYeah good thing we got a 5 minute video for it where over a minute of it is an ad and the rest is mostly just snarky comments, really does the topic proper service!

    • @SQERDOMOONLIGHT
      @SQERDOMOONLIGHT Год назад

      @@Icetea-2000 Thats every video on this channel.

    • @Icetea-2000
      @Icetea-2000 Год назад

      @@SQERDOMOONLIGHT Yes

  • @dcormier
    @dcormier Год назад +1

    I'm only here in the comments for the "friendly discussion" around the pronunciation of "Porsche".
    _sips tea_

  • @Henk6
    @Henk6 Год назад +83

    I want more bad jokes, the pronunciation of Porsche was not funny enough

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 Год назад +10

      "Goes together like peanut butter and Hitler." was a winner.
      I had to pause the video to guffaw for a bit.

    • @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou
      @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou Год назад +4

      Is it also funny when you mispronounce foreign words?

    • @fonkbadonk5370
      @fonkbadonk5370 Год назад +2

      @@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou If I make a video where the main topic IS that foreign word, I'd very much make sure to pronounce it correctly. It's even worse here, since he pronounces BOTH central things wrong. As much as I love Sam's stuff, this to me just seems lazy.

    • @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou
      @MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou Год назад +1

      @@fonkbadonk5370 The word is pronounced without the final schwa so frequently that I would consider it an acceptable pronunciation within the context of American English. This seems tantamount to me to complaining that a video about Paris doesn't pronounce 'Paris' as "paʁi" (with a French 'r' and without the final 's').

    • @fonkbadonk5370
      @fonkbadonk5370 Год назад +1

      @@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou Paris has a proper name in English, just as for example Cologne or Munich, which differ from the contry-specific name. Porsche does not. So much not, that as I've read somewhere else here, they even have a video made by themselves, that explains the proper pronounciation. Apples to pears imho.

  • @saNynho
    @saNynho Год назад +1

    It's not what this video is about, but the Porsche buying plenty of VW stock part was criminally simplified. The part leading up to 08 is honestly much more interesting than the corporate structure

  • @sh_project1999
    @sh_project1999 Год назад +5

    As a german I often figured it out with Wikipedia and the forgot it again, I hope this video will help me to keep it in my head haha

    • @stefthepef
      @stefthepef Год назад +4

      I just refer to this corporate structure as "the Porsche centipede."

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 Год назад

      ​@@stefthepefThe rolling emblem.. The E(at) in the emblem, the emblem of winning... What else 😂

  • @Anriandor
    @Anriandor Год назад +2

    I recommend a video by RUclipsr Porsh - sorry, I mean *PORSCHE* - released Dec 8th 2016 on how to pronounce their company...

  • @lordcola-3324
    @lordcola-3324 Год назад +17

    That is one lonly 'e' at the end of Prosche. Yes, the 'e' at the end of 'Porsche' is pronounced. 'porsh' is infact the wrong pronunciation.

  • @aspacenerdfromflorida1134
    @aspacenerdfromflorida1134 Год назад +3

    Sam 100% knew what he was doing when he pronounced porsche like that 😂😂😂 he’s poking a beehive rn

  • @michaelbauer8778
    @michaelbauer8778 Год назад +1

    It’s called Porsche, with an „e“ at the end!

  • @noahashley827
    @noahashley827 Год назад +21

    Correction: Porsche is pronounced like “Poor-Shuh”, not “Porch”.
    Source: I used to know some Porsche corporate employees that were very insistent on the proper pronunciation.

    • @andyjwagner
      @andyjwagner Год назад +4

      It basic German pronunciation. Anybody who knows the language can tell you that’s how it’s pronounced.

    • @Icetea-2000
      @Icetea-2000 Год назад

      Americans just think it’s french for some reason and/or they don’t use their brain

    • @Aniqa101
      @Aniqa101 Год назад +1

      There even is a video of Porsche on how to pronounce Porsche.

    • @istvanlorinczi2817
      @istvanlorinczi2817 Год назад

      @@andyjwagner or even the jokes about Germans make sense here. They are seen as efficient people in general, why would they put a letter there if they wouldn't pronounce it?

    • @andyjwagner
      @andyjwagner Год назад

      @@istvanlorinczi2817 Genau so!

  • @TheHylianBatman
    @TheHylianBatman Год назад +1

    Ah, corporate structures, always a great HAI topic!

  • @Esp661
    @Esp661 Год назад +3

    I'm going to have a stroke listening to Sam mispronounce Porsche without the e

  • @momostube9625
    @momostube9625 Год назад +1

    “Sort of how my writers do all the work, but I exist to maintain the cages from which they toil” 😅 brilliant!

  • @divingboardz
    @divingboardz Год назад +18

    Porsche is pronounced porsha because as you said in this video, Porsche is a German brand. In German, an e at the end of a word is pronounced as "uh".

    • @alexanderhanhardt9752
      @alexanderhanhardt9752 Год назад +9

      This video made me violently ill and physically hurt to watch.

    • @soundscape26
      @soundscape26 Год назад +3

      @@alexanderhanhardt9752 That's how almost all English native speakers say Porsche for better or worse.

    • @Icetea-2000
      @Icetea-2000 Год назад +1

      @@soundscape26Yeah I know it’s a saying but just for worse

    • @calum5975
      @calum5975 Год назад +1

      @@Icetea-2000 It is what it is. No one outside of France can say "Renault" anything like they do in France. Brand names always get butchered by foreign speakers, it's just part of it.

    • @Icetea-2000
      @Icetea-2000 Год назад +3

      @@calum5975 Absolutely false, that’s just a cope by english speakers to justify their bad pronunciation of foreign words because they only know one language. Pronouncing "Renault" correctly is easily possible for anyone who has cared to put any amount of effort into learning french pronunciation. Native english speakers just don’t care and it’s ridiculous to act like the whole world is like them

  • @MeatballMedic
    @MeatballMedic Год назад +1

    Doing a video on a car company you can’t even pronounce properly is a good way to just have people watch something else.

  • @hubbel6831
    @hubbel6831 Год назад +3

    Did he said that the vw Beatles is ugly?????

  • @TilmanBaumann
    @TilmanBaumann Год назад

    The fact that you glossed over the night of long knifes in 2008 is so funny. That event ALONE is worth a witty only half interestingly video.

  • @Ganjor420
    @Ganjor420 Год назад +3

    As soon as a business structure gets more complicated than "X owns Y" I instantly smell shady tricks or scams.

  • @mattiarizzi
    @mattiarizzi Год назад

    Buying a company and then use the free cash flow of the bought company to pay the debt was also done in Italy, when Autostrade (Highways) was bought by Atlantia (Benetton’s holding). They also managed to incorporate the debt of buying Autostrade inside Autostrade, effettively buying a company with the bought company’s money.

  • @someonesaveus
    @someonesaveus Год назад +5

    Say it with me; por - shuh

  • @theunholybiggestboss
    @theunholybiggestboss Год назад

    0:49 what a kind looking guy

  • @paush51
    @paush51 Год назад +5

    I love how English speakers always forget the e of Porsch!E!

  • @IRoXXI
    @IRoXXI 4 месяца назад +1

    For everyone interested in how to pronounce "Porsche" (especially for English speakers):
    The "e" at the end of "Porsche" is pronounced as if you would put an English "a" at the end of "Porsch". Pronounce this "a" as an unstressed schwa vowel as in "a horse".
    Remember to pronounce "Porsch" and "a" in one go and don't make a break between these two.

  • @Fayanora
    @Fayanora Год назад +3

    Fun fact: In German, "Volkswagen" is pronounced "Folks-vaag-en."

  • @ichheissedamian
    @ichheissedamian Год назад +2

    why would you call the beetle extremely ugly?

  • @franzlemar2250
    @franzlemar2250 Год назад +14

    Nice pronunciation of 'Porsche', Sam

  • @jwalster9412
    @jwalster9412 Год назад

    Having a bond so good that it can be broken is a curse and a blessing.

  • @Bruhyeet42069
    @Bruhyeet42069 Год назад +19

    Now i don't expect a non native speaker to pronounce Porsche correctly, however i do expect someone that does a video about them and says Porsche a bunch of times to invest the 3 seconds it takes to look up how it is pronounced. Especially when it's such a common problem that Porsche itself made a video on how to pronounce it correctly like 5 years ago.

    • @foadrightnow5725
      @foadrightnow5725 Год назад +2

      Thank you! Couldn't agree more!

    • @claudiobizama5603
      @claudiobizama5603 Год назад +6

      He said in many previous videos that he does it on purpose so people angrily corrects him in the comments, which rises the engagement.

  • @isimsiz220
    @isimsiz220 Год назад +1

    Porsche SE wants to buy all of VW. But VW AG Porsche SE is more expensive. Despite this, Porsche SE decides to buy VW AG. As a result, bankruptcy bells begin to ring for the Porsche SE. VW AG saved Porsche SE from bankruptcy by completely purchasing Porsche AG, in which it had a certain stake. Porsche SE acquires 52% of VW AG, if not all

  • @dgu8240
    @dgu8240 Год назад +10

    I never heard anyone mispronounce Porsche so many times in such a short time

  • @youssefbennani3930
    @youssefbennani3930 Год назад +1

    "It's Porsch-e!" (*screams in Joey*)

  • @emergencyresponsevideosand4423
    @emergencyresponsevideosand4423 9 месяцев назад +3

    0:06 what the heck

  • @funkygawy
    @funkygawy Год назад +1

    Interestingly Porsche SE really only owns 25% of Volkswagen AG - they own a controlling share (53% I think) of the common shares, but VW also has a big batch of non-voting preferred shares outstanding that are the typical shares traded by most retail & institutional investors (ticker VOW3). So Porsche SE's stake in VW is just under 27%.
    Porsche SE replicates this structure, where half the shares are non-voting preferred, and the other half are voting shares, 100% held by the family. So by virtue of this 50% economic ownership of Porsche SE, which in turn has a bit more than 25% economic ownership of VW AG (that's a total economic exposure of

  • @gstotty
    @gstotty Год назад +3

    What a great video! However, it is such a pain in the ears that Porsche was not pronounced correctly one single time!!! Guys its PorschE!!!!

  • @justfrankjustdank2538
    @justfrankjustdank2538 Год назад +2

    ooh ooh! i wanna be in the mistakes video!!
    its pronounced porshuh

  • @michaelheckmann3791
    @michaelheckmann3791 Год назад +4

    Trailing "e"s are audible in German, it's Porsche, not Porsch.

  • @seanj3667
    @seanj3667 Год назад +1

    So Porsche is basically the car version of Philip J Fry, who is his own grandfather?

  • @Merennulli
    @Merennulli Год назад +3

    The older I get, the more I mishear things. At first I thought you said "Heat, yeet, and enjoy." which sounds like the sadistic instructions for the people preparing oil above the murder holes of medieval castles.
    And, no, that wasn't the job I had in college. I'm not quite that old. It was high school. 😛

  • @tobiasliegl03
    @tobiasliegl03 7 месяцев назад

    If somebody is interested in the debt topic:
    I work in Investment Banking so I have to deal with things like that on a daily basis. Using debt to buy a company and using the cashflows of this company to pay down the debt is a common method in the financial industry. Its mainly known as 'leveraged buyout'. This business model is used by large Investment firm (mainly private equity funds).
    They buy a firm with about 50% debt, then use the cash of the next e.g. 5 years to pay down debt and sell the firm for the same price but they don't habe to pay back that much debt anymore.
    Hope I was able to help :)
    Feel free to ask if somebody wants to know more details!

  • @BenjaminAster
    @BenjaminAster Год назад +7

    It's pronounced PorschE, not Porsch! You do pronounce the e at the End!

  • @GHP99
    @GHP99 Год назад +1

    My favourite Porsche is the VK 45.01 (P).

  • @intheskywithpie
    @intheskywithpie Год назад +4

    Por-Sh-Uhh

  • @GeoffMorrison
    @GeoffMorrison Год назад +1

    Using an image of the 914, the forgotten Porsche: 10/10

  • @palashbhaumik42069
    @palashbhaumik42069 Год назад +16

    When the story is about two car companies and you mispronounce both of them