Way back in the day I was an instructor pilot and flew a T-38 (old supersonic trainer) to a civilian airport. The plane broke and I had to take a commercial flight home and was told to bring my parachute back with me. I got on the plane with my helmet, parachute, flight suit, etc. and the pilot looked at me and said "what, you don't trust me?"
I check the paraglider because it packs up real well in the harness with the reserve parachute. It'd be kinda Ironic to die in plane crash with a parachute in the hold lol.
Redundancy, 5:37 "every critial system is going to be at least double or triple redundant." Except of course MCAS, which Boeing decided could rely on a single sensor because it saved them money.
That wasn't as bad as a problem as them not telling pilots about MCAS AT ALL during transition training because they thought it would save the airlines money. My hypothesis is that countries with stronger pilots' unions immediately smelled the BS and those unions advised their pilots to learn about MCAS independently.
Exactly what I was thinking. Video is more like "yeah there's nothing you can do, you're doomed" than it is "flying is safe you don't need a parachute" .🤣
It is frustrating, that fat people don't have to pay more than me, so I always make sure to stuff my coat pockets with used batteries etc to be as heavy as possible and cost the airline more fuel!!!111
One other thing that he didn't mention: You can't open the exterior door at 35,000 feet. Unless the plane has already been depressurized and somehow you're not dead, those doors are designed to move inward before turning open. Due to the nature of air pressure being higher inside the plane than outside, this would make it impossible for a person to open the door at that high altitude while the plane is pressurized, because all that pressure is pushing out, thus making the door going inward not possible since there's very little pressure on the outside pushing in. Some crazy passengers have tried to open the emergency door mid-flight and all of them could not do it.
@@The-first-and-only-bobfish There's an argument to be made here, and it's not the one you made. I can in fact predict with 100% accuracy where the plane will crash: on the ground. He suggests doing it above ground, but below untenable pressure.
Skydiver here. TSA lets us bring parachutes on board because we like to travel with our rigs to different countries sometimes. It's usually better to check it, but it's very expensive gear so some people naturally do not want just leave in the airlines hands and hope for the best,
Yeah, I don't trust my $5-10k skydiving rig to be a checked bag when I've gotten bags full of clothes lost by them before. And they definitely won't reimburse you for the full price if they lose it. I think the max reimbursement is like 2k?
@@rapid___ There's a video about lost luggage with AirTag, which concludes for the handling company it's better option (easier? cheaper? quicker? all of the above?) just to reimburse you than actually look for the lost item - even if you kinda know where to look.
No mention of D. B. Cooper? He hijacked a 727 and managed to successfully parachute out of it, after instructing the pilot to fly at low altitude, low speed, and with an unpressurized cabin.
This plane had a rear stair door, which is probably the best possible design you could have for such a feat (and no modern airliners have anymore). And yeah also we have no idea if he actually survived or not.
It's said this stunt got the CIA to call up Boeing and ask about acquiring a 727 of their own - and no, they didn't tell Boeing why they wanted an airliner with a jump door.
There's another reason: more people will die if planes have parachutes. That's because ticket prices would have to go up like 10% or thereabouts. If you study consumer behavior, a few percent of people will instead drive rather than fly at those higher prices. And guess what-- driving is thousands of times more hazardous than flying. So more people would die if planes had parachutes. Weird, but perfectly logical.
Right, and that's the real next step of "lower margins mean...". It means that, for some passengers, the cost (price) of flying raises to a point where they'd now no longer fly. Which is bad for business AND for the customers.
@@8stormy5 Only if folks still leave their house, with the price of fuel these days driving any further than the local grocery store isn't affordable (and frankly given the price of groceries these days even that short drive isn't affordable either).
6:01 That's why Boeing connected the system that caused two 737 MAX planes to crash to a single angle of attack sensor that said they were in a stall!!!
The parachutes on planes are for the planes, not people. Some training planes have emergency plane parachutes to ease the crash. They are usually bright and can be plainly seen by rescuers looking for the plane. In a case like that, hopefully there would be plains available to land the plane in.
All Cirrus aircraft have parachutes and just within the last few months someone locally had to use theirs when they had an engine failure on climb out and had the choice of either deploying the chute over land or ditching in Lake Washington.
Yeah, but those are small, light aircraft. A passenger plane would need a *massive* parachute that would severely limit the amount of people and cargo it could carry, besides being useless most of the time given in take off and landing there wouldn't be enough altitude to deploy them. Small single engine private planes are more susceptible to both mechanical and human error, therefore a parachute makes (a bit) more sense.
The big issue is that the time it would take for an airliner to have its passengers jump is far longer then a crippled airliner could stay stabilized for that without the airliner also being in good enough shape to go for a controlled crash landing.
People can barely buckle their seatbelts without assistance. I seriously doubt they'd get a parachute on properly in time. Unless you're in the aisles nearest the doors, you're not making it out if people had to put on parachutes. Just like when you walk onboard and you see the big exit door seats full of the worst people you would want to help out in an emergency. Airlines have stopped asking if those people are able-bodied and willing to help in an emergency, they know most are not able and don't care, they just say yes to keep the big seat.
Indeed, also this would require the same degree of control as you need to execute an emergency landing so if the plane is flying normally enough to allow people to parachute out it is also flying normally enough to make a controlled emergency landing. Hell even if that landing is in the form of ditching om the on water it is still likely to be way more survivable than letting untrained unqualified individuals jump out of it.
Technically commercial airliners aren't sealed either. They're just sealed *enough* that the extra air being pumped in the by pressurization system can maintain a pressure equal to roughly 6-8k' despite all the air that's constantly leaking out.
This is ridiculous bro. Non-equivalent situations entirely. Driving is an everyday experience taking up a significant portion of your time. Considering the odds of getting in a fatal crash and the discomfort and impracticability of wearing a helmet every time you drive, I don’t think it’s actually that interesting a fact at all l. Also, when the accident begins you are already on the ground, so there isn’t the increased certainty of fatality as there is with an airplane crash, should it ensue.
@@Libroer It's not that you drive more and thus you're more likely to die from driving. If you're going to be driving for an hour vs flying for an hour, driving is still more dangerous. You also just happen to do it more.
Now imagine after the jump, having to track down and recover hundreds of potentially injured and unconscious passengers spread over hundreds of square miles of who knows what kind of terrain.
Indeed. I thought the video would also talk about search & rescue. Assume everyone survived the depressurization, knew how to put on their parachute, jumped and made to the ground. Even considering a generous rate of one jump per second, that's 5 whole minutes to empty a wide-body jetliner. At 1000 km/h, this will mean that the passengers will be spread out over more than 80 km. That's not 80 km of paved road or even the Appalachian Trail. Statistically, it's 80km of ocean, desert, jungle, or tundra. It'll take much much longer for the rescue operations to find everyone, compared to keeping everyone on-board then trying an emergency landing or ditching and having everyone in the same place.
@@swankshire6939 Yes you do. When you break a leg on impact you will need emergency services within minutes. If you are unhurt: how good are your survival skills to survive outside of civilization for more than two hours? two days? Do you have water, food, a blanket shelter against rain/snow/wind? Are there any dangerous animals on your landing spot? You really wish to be found by rescue services and for that your landing spot is very important.
Cirrus aircraft parachute system. CAPS. This is actually a thing in small aircraft, the issue is that the parachutes required to stop at 737 would be ridiculously large and complex. Cirrus had to invent this system so that they can make Vtails because the vtails when they spin cannot be recovered. This is part of why the beechcraft Bonanza gained the title of fork tailed doctor killer.
I've heard about this system, didn't it save a few lives when a small plane went down in Utah, California, something like that a few years back? Pretty amazing but you're right, not exactly practical when it comes to a huge jetliner. Even if it weren't impossible, the airlines wouldn't ever invest in it.@@johnb8440
@@bbgun061 much respect to what you do, and that’s a good point. Some amazing stories out there. Sully gets a lot of credit but there was another situation very similar, a flight from South America I believe, that had engine failure after flying through heavy hail and landed safely on a levee near New Orleans. Pretty incredible, I can’t remember the flight though
Also, even mechanical failures that occur during cruise are likely survivable. If the plane is still controllable it can crash at low speed on a corn field or ditch in the Hudson river. If you're in the brace position with your seatbelt on, your odds of survival are better when you stay in your seat vs bailing out and getting sucked into a 3,000 RPM turbine, even if there is a 100% probability that the pilots can't make it to an airport.
I do not know what happens in US, but lowcosters in my part of the world have so little legspace for economy class, that I would not be able to get into brace position whatever I do. Seat before me takes that space where I am supposed to lean, i would have to seat vertically in the case of crash landing, and farewell my beloved spine. Seatbelts are only for a sudden turbulence now, I guess.
Yup. A well managed plane crash is likely to be terrifying, uncomfortable, and possibly result in minor injury...but a well managed plane crash is the crash you are most likely to survive.
It is also worth bearing in mind that if the plane is not in a condition to make a controlled decent it also isn't in any position to fly a stable path for long enough to have hundreds of people jump from it either. You are not getting anyone managing to jump out if the plane is completely out of control in a spinning vertical dive or whatever.
Because that wouldn't be enough. The heaviest object that's ever been safety lowered to the ground was about 40 tonnes. A 737/A320 is about that empty, with pax and fuel you're talking between 60-80/90 tonnes
In case somebody wants to mention ejection seat : for the majority of accidents, it's safer if you evacuate normally - there is no way to safely eject 200-400 people - the seat's rocket motor will probably make a lot of grilled humans around your seat, and any loose item in the cabin affected by the seat will probably become hazardous projectiles that will punch holes through a lot of people - Final Destination stuff, basically even if they can magically fit those in, but if you're not trained to use it, you're likely gonna die or seriously injured because of it instead - for example, a few limbs might get ripped off if they're not where they're supposed to be
Considering even many pilots aren allowed to fly again after having been ejected, putting an untrained person into an ejection seat will not be pretty. Crushed spine, serious neck injuries (can be fatal), damage to theeth or tounge, whiplash and that's all the stuff a trained person is still at reisk for, not to mention the absolute caranage you described.
"On a commercial airliner, every system is going to be double or triple redundant" - say that to the ONE angle of attack sensor that was hooked up the the stability system (that pilots also weren't told actually existed) on the 737 max that caused those crashes
There were multiple AoA sensors. The problem was the software did not respond appropriately when one of them failed or emitted an erroneous signal. (Which then caused the engagement of the MCAS system that no one knew existed).
5:19 General aviation accident statistics are very much not the same as commercial aviation statistics, and this video is explicitly about the latter - the point about phases of flight still stands, but that pie chart is just misleading :/ (The reason more crashes happen during landing and takeoff is also that the ground is closer, and crashes often involve the ground)
true, i don't know why would you ever jump at the altitudes where the planes travel, no sane pilot would ever give up on a plane much less when you have so much height. "dear passengers, i have lost control of the plane, ready up your parachutes" - said no one ever
"This is your captain speaking. Please fasten your seat belts as we are experiencing some mild turbulence. That one mf that brought a parachute: "Not today." *Opens cabin door
Remember, to avoid issues with cabin pressure, outside temperature and high speeds, make sure to jump when the pIane is sIow and Iow, i.e. when most accidents happen anyway.
@@Libroer it would only be reasonable to jump out when the plane is either uncontrollable (aka basically free falling) or when the plane is free falling or when the nose is locked far down. I wish you the best of luck to jump out of a plane in these conditions.
Even if it was possible, and all else went "well," that would be one crowded sky. There would be tons of deaths from parachute to parachute collisons. Also, high altutide parachutingnis possible with scuba like gear. The army calls it HALO, i used to reman some of it, its pretty cool stuff, but its more complex then a regular jump.
@@sonoftheway3528The only 100% death cases are the ones where the landing is so uncontrolled, the pilot couldn't have brought the plane into a parachuting position in the first place. The video never addressed that to my surprise either, most of these problems _can_ be solved by just designing them with a commerical situation in mind. You can turn the engines off, improve door positions, make easy parachutes, hand out radios, fly low and then depressurize slowly, etc. But all of this would only work in situations where the current system of trying to control the crash is always a better solution.
@@sonoftheway3528 A situation where the plane works well enough to let passengers jump out, is a situation where the plane works well enough to let everyone survive a rough landing. Imagine there are 100 ways a plane can crash. Jumping has 50 survivable scenarios. Landing has 75 survivable scenarios. Landing works in every scenario in which jumping works.
Another problem he didn’t mention is if you parachuted over water. Even if you survive the parachute jump, you won’t survive in the sea. When I was in the military, I heard our pilots would only survive in the sea, in winter temperatures, for 7 minutes without wearing an immersion suit before they succumb to hypothermia. Imagine the Titanic with no life rafts. Also, from my experience in the military, I call bullsh*t that aircraft can’t carry weight. We had over 50kg luggage allowance each and the trooper aircraft was at max capacity (291 pax? The aircraft had a 45,000 kg dry payload). So Airlines saying they can’t carry weight is just them being greedy and trying to maximise their profits. Even Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 flew with over 10 tonnes of cargo (a shipment of lithium ion batteries and mangosteen fruit) in addition to its passengers and their luggage.
There is a scene in Shute’s IN THE WET where a visiting politician demands why the royal 747 does not have a Very pistol, while the pilot tries to explain that if they were in trouble, setting off manual flares would not help, and they can’t set it down just anywhere.
Another piece- even if you somehow survived, you could be thousands of miles from where the plane crashed, meaning no one will find you, so unless you dropped near a city, youll starve alone on the wilderness
Commercial airlines could save so much weight, thus reducing the cost of tickets for passengers and allowing the executives to buy more horses, by eliminating the double and triple redundant mechanical systems. Why haven't they done this?
Oh, it said "horses"? I thought that line was "Porsches". So I went back and listened again, and I think you're right - "horses" it is! (And the auto-generated subtitles agree.)
its cuz we dont really think about it, when we think of the idea, most people just hear high altitude, and something to slow down the jump heavily to make it easily survivable (and for some people, fun) we immediately think its fine
I literally talked about this yesterday. Haven't watched yet, but I'm assuming you re-iterate the sad truth that parachutes would be useless to 99% of people since they don't know how to use it, and the exit from the plane would likely be more dangerous than surviving the landing.
3:22 the man 2nd from the left in "this group of guys" isn't an airline executive - he is Wes Moore, Rhodes scholar, former CEO of the Robin Hood Foundation (which raised more than $650 million during his four years at the helm), and governor of the US state of Maryland since January 2023. He is also a military vet, having served in the US Army from 1998 to 2014, leaving service with the rank of Captain and as the recipient of the National Defense Service Medal, the Armed Forces Reserve Medal, and the Army Service Ribbon.
2:45 No? Even in an explosive decompression this wouldn't happen, worst case scenario the person sitting next to the hole could get sucked out if they weren't buckled
But Sam, what if I waited to jump out of the plane until after it had fallen to a survivable altitude, spending that extra time making sure I had my parachute on right? Would it be any less of a terrible idea then?
Saw once an article about somebody suggesting a system where people would be seatbelted to their seats at all times during the flight, though not just normal hip-belts, but instead four-point belts like fighter pilots, and in case something would happen, the seats would be released through the back of the plane on rails, with a small inflateable hood being deployed over the head of the passenger for air, and the parachute would deploy from the backrest of their seat. Though even if that system worked, as you described here, all these extra-systems would probably add up weight preeeeetty fast, reducing both the number of possible passengers and luggage and range for such planes.
Airlines should just tell passengers that their emergency life vests can also be used as parachutes. They’re about equally likely to save you in either case.
2:15 Technically this isn't 100% true. While you absolutely would get sucked out due to the depressurization, there have been people who have skydived from heights at and above commercial airline altitude (and survived). Obviously most of those were doing things like testing pressure suits and such but there have been some without pressure suits/without functional pressure suits. But regardless of that, those were all people who were extremely well trained skydivers usually testing things for the military in case of emergency ejections for pilots/astronauts, not the general public who would absolutely not fair nearly as well. But theoretically speaking you probably won't die from the lack of oxygen and cold before hitting the ground, you would just die from hitting the ground when you failed to skydive properly/get knocked unconscious from the depressurization
5:39 Doubly and triply redundant means there are two and three things _in total_ respectively. So, in the case of a failure, there are _one_ and _two_ backups, not two and three backups.
No? If what you say is true. A "redundant system" doesn't exist. Only a "double redundant system" would be the minimum. But that's not true. A redundant system already has a backup. So a "double" redundant system has 2 backups, 3 systems in total. And a "triple redundant" system would have 3 backups, 4 systems in total. Again a "redundant system" already has a backup. So a "double redundant system" has 2.
Commenting before the video but there are planes that have plane-sized parachutes built into the body of the plane, mostly on single prop private craft but the technology is there and they've already saved multiple lives from engine failures
@@masterlotiondmtYou get your emotion first, my point is just, It's irrelevant in bigger plane anyway. You can use the same resource to developer insanely ultrasafe foolproof superlight parachute to just.... Rework the entire fucking Boeing instead. We already have plane with ZERO fatality anyway (like A380, from not Boeing)
I once was on a plane that had mechanical failure because it hit a flock of birds which got stuck in the engines... and 3 out of 4 engines shutdown, and pilots still managed to turn around and land back in the airport of departure... So yeah parachute wouldn't help there because we were too low still anyway...
A four-engined airliner is not certified for flight on a single engine, it's certified for flight on three and sometimes as few as two engines. The only instance I can find of a triple engine failure happening on a four-engined aircraft was an A400M... which crashed, because it is, of course, not actually controllable in that circumstance. Don't exaggerate the story please.
@@DaWolf805It has nothing to do with "certification" it was force major... And I think they actually managed to restart some of the engines they didn't completely shut off, so I suppose that is a bit of exaggeration... It wasn't crash landing so yeah not much coverage they managed to turn around and land safely
“Sam … Wendover Productions, Half as Interesting, Extremities, and the travel competition show Jet Lag: The Game.” (Wikipedia) - also he & friends have two pretty good episodes on Lateral Podcast.
ANA: if we make passengers go to the bathroom before taking off we'll save 8¢ worth of fuel for each one. Ryanair: no, no, no, if they have to go to the bathroom while they're in the air we can charge them much more than that!
Absolutely fantastic! I really appreciate you ability and willingness to branch out, but we know THIS is your wheelhouse. Loved it! One of your best videos in years. Can't wait for another.
I'm a cabin crew and I get asked "where's my parachute stowed" all the time. When I tell them there's no parachutes they get horrified and no amount of explanation helps...
Those seats work by using explosives. Would you have 300 explosive charges on your flight at all time? What if there is a malfunction? You can not launch every seat at same time, so you would kill most people inside the plane when seats blow up the charge and fry people sitting next to you. Where does the roof go? It will fly away and hit tail and then the plane is 100% gone.
One thing you forgot to mention. Airliner doors are designed so that you can't open them if flight. Ever notice that they open outward and you can't push a 300 pound door against a 400 mph slipstream. Another factor is that when it is figured out that the airplane is going to crash it is already too low to the ground. Even if you could get to a door you would probably hit the ground before your parachute opened.
The last time we tried the whole parachutes on planes thing, they were golden and it worked out for a few (former) Boeing execs but not so well for the rest of us.
@@theregalproletariat the parachutes came from a skydiving school that used to be about a mile from my house (the airport is now Costco). He didn't have a choice in the chutes he got--they literally grabbed them off the shelf and took them to SEATAC.
Couldn’t you wait until the plane falls to an altitude you could survive jumping from before jumping out? If it’s crashing it should pass through a lower atmosphere before it hits the ground.
sure, but if you're in an uncontrolled freefall, how are you going to make it to the doors? people can't get off the damn things in a timely when they're sitting on the ground, much less when the noses is pointed towards hell, and everyone is panicking, and you'd probably just be thrown around the cabin if you were moving around. If it's not in freefall, and they can level off long enough to shed passengers, they probably have enough control left to land in the first place.
Also how would you know when that is? That’s assuming you even managed to get your parachute on, walked to the door in that turbulence and somehow opened the door all in time. But then again, how would you know the timing for all that?
I would strongly assume that if the pilots have enough control left to get the plane into a position where people could parachute from it, they have enough control to get the plane down onto some runway.
yes you could but that would only be possible when its a controlled descend, if for any reason the controls fail like in the Swissair 111 accident not even the best skydiver wouldnt make it
We jumped from jets in the Army. It had a special screen that broke up the air to stop you from getting slammed back into the fuselage. Still, I cannot imagine making this work for 100 plus civilians.
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The bit with the photoshopped cord was brilliant, well done Ben, or Amy, or whoever wrote that!
0:15 Fun fact: planes technically have structural paper parts. It's made of aramid fibres instead of wooden ones but still. (It's called Nomex honeycomb if you want to google it)
Well, there was that guy who went to jail because he decided to bail out of a (perfectly working) aircraft with a parachute as a youtuber-influencer-viral-video stunt that went badly for him for lying to the feds. But on the plus side, some aircraft do have whole-aircraft parachutes - the Cirrus SR-22 being the most common example. If you get in trouble in any phase, you deploy it by pulling a handle and then you come down gently in a more survivable accident. It's saved a number of lives, but it's for the whole aircraft.
Parachutes could still be used. Most crashes have glide time prior, so if the captain wanted too he could get it low and slow enough for you to safely jump out from the aft
Most crashes? Can you please prove that? Most that involves a glide are usually due to engine failure and pilots are trained to land with stricken engines
@@greed0599 a rarity is what I’m pointing out. Imagine if the passengers of TS261 jumped out of the plane only for the plane then safetly lands at an airport whilst they’re floating in the Atlantic Ocean
@@tomstravels520 Ok? That wasnt my point though. My point was that using a parachute to evacuate a passenger jet in an emergency situation wouldnt have to be lethal as half as interesting suggests.
@@greed0599have you looked up the stats on engine failure and crash landings? The bulk of them in the last several years have had minimal casualties. If the pilot can get the plane stable, slow, and at a controlled altitude, then it's going to be safer for the passengers to ride the plane down. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft Just look at the number of accidents with 'engine failure' as the cause of crash (vs communication issues or weather issues) and you'll see most of the times, esp with big jets, most of the people survive.
He didn't mention this-which is sort of strange, but due to the pressurized cabin, it is nearly impossible for a human to push an emergency door open at high altitudes, so the thought of parachuting is even less effective.
Maybe I missed it, but it seemed like you missed a critical point in all of this analysis: how long are you in these conditions? I mean sure, its very very cold up there, but if I bring a jacket, and start the jump warm, how cold will I be before the temperature gets to a reasonable level while descending at terminal velocity? Same for oxygen. People can hold their breath with zero oxygen whatsoever for a minute at least. After a minute of free fall decent, what will their altitude be? If we count in the fact that they can breath some oxygen in the whole time, I don't see how air should be a problem. It takes about 2 minutes from leaving a plane at 30k to get down to an elevation of 10k where we know everything is fine.
you have around 5-6 seconds of usable conscience at around 35k feet, saying you don't hit the horizontal stabiliser or the engine or the body etc even if you held your breath it still will take too long before you get down safe enough (you need to decent around 20k feet in a minute) terminal velocity is around 10k feet per minute so you'd need to hold your breath for 2 minutes to be safe, while parachuting. pretty much impossible also everyone can't jump at the same time so you could be waiting a couple minutes to jump and would have to hold your breath for 4 minutes, good luck... Also if you take the globe what would be your chance of landing somewhere to be rescued or somewhere where you could just go to the nearest village/city is likely under 5% so yeah good luck!
I think the critical point was that if you jump out of a commercial plane you're likely to end up as confetti that's been passed through a jet engine or as a splatter on the vertical stabilizer before any other causes of death become a concern. That aside, people have certainly survived jumps from very high altitudes without supplemental oxygen so it's technically possible. You probably aren't going to die from lack of oxygen in 2 minutes. However, at 35k ft you've got maybe 30-60 seconds of useful consciousness to work with before you pass out. Nobody's getting geared up and out the door in that amount of time, especially in the chaotic conditions you'd find in the cabin following rapid decompression. But you're right, if you were in a plane that was safe to jump from, had not just been explosively decompressed, and you were hooked up to oxygen until the moment of your jump....you could get down to a breathable altitude alive. It's been done.
@@jweezy101491 lack of oxygen, point is if you don't hold your breath or stop it before getting to a safe height your gonna pass out then fall slam into the ground and hypoxia can also cause death so before you hit it you are likely gone from the planet, also I'm ignoring the fact your lungs don't work at 35k feet so good luck even holding your breath.
Side note, when I was trying various small flying things years back, I remember in some of them (gliders, some ultralights) you actually had to wear a parachute, because the seats were designed with their presence in mind and it was pretty much impossible to sit in them without one.
Don't forget, if you do bring your parachute, know how to use it, you have an oxygen mask and heat suit (or just anything to stop you from dying from the cold and hypoxia) you still can't **physically open the door**, due to the crazy speed and air pressure you have better chances trying to open a vault door with the locks still on, so yeah good luck even being able to jump out. And even if you do jump out you will likely hit the horizontal stabiliser, even if you do/miss all of that magically you probably will just end out in the ocean and drown or be stuck in an incredibly rural area with no service or hell even the side of a mountain or in the middle of the desert where help would struggle to even come
"Systems are usually double or triple redundant." Or Boeing corporate decided the system was just actually redundant and removed it entirely to save some money, who needs safety on planes anyway.
5:30 I boarded a flight where engine 2-4's starters didn't work. they had a built in redundancy that allowed them to start the other engines with the power from engine 1
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Way back in the day I was an instructor pilot and flew a T-38 (old supersonic trainer) to a civilian airport. The plane broke and I had to take a commercial flight home and was told to bring my parachute back with me. I got on the plane with my helmet, parachute, flight suit, etc. and the pilot looked at me and said "what, you don't trust me?"
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T38 ain't old ur old! and the b52 is old but in all fairness my mother is old
@@murdercom998 All three are old, unfortunately! :) The T-38 entered service in 1959.
6:53 There's a really good reason the TSA lets you bring a parachute on the plane: us parachuters like to travel to other places to skydive sometimes.
It's also not a dangerous item, so there is no reason to ban it from being taken on an airplane.
“Us parachuters”? I don’t think you are a skydiver
Thank you for writing this, I left a similar comment.
And we'd really rather keep it within sight instead of letting TSA and luggage handlers do who knows what to it while it's in checked luggage.
I check the paraglider because it packs up real well in the harness with the reserve parachute. It'd be kinda Ironic to die in plane crash with a parachute in the hold lol.
Because the last time a pilot brought a parachute onboard, he kamikazed the plane for a ridge wallet sponsorship
What?
Man, I forgot about that one.
I think we'd all like to forget.
@@arcticthehunter7099 Its a reference to the Trevor Jacob plane crash story
@@AlkalineGamingHDfirst time I knew about this story. Damn.
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Redundancy, 5:37 "every critial system is going to be at least double or triple redundant." Except of course MCAS, which Boeing decided could rely on a single sensor because it saved them money.
It was also more of a bandaid than an actual feature, which probably contributed to the lack of redundancy.
That wasn't as bad as a problem as them not telling pilots about MCAS AT ALL during transition training because they thought it would save the airlines money.
My hypothesis is that countries with stronger pilots' unions immediately smelled the BS and those unions advised their pilots to learn about MCAS independently.
Exactly what I was thinking. Video is more like "yeah there's nothing you can do, you're doomed" than it is "flying is safe you don't need a parachute" .🤣
It took data from one specific sensor, but there are two of that _type_ of sensor aboard.
Boeing needs to be fined HEAVILY.
As a former paratrooper don’t forget to jump behind the engines
Depends on a plane. If you’re flying Il-76, then you jump IN FRONT of the engines
Was just gonna comment ,look at all the training paratroopers go through just to do basic line jumps.
Did you learn it the hard way?:)
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3:42 and this is why i strap 50kg weights too myself whenever I am flying, get my moneys worth
you are insane and i love it
@@bagseys i do get additional screening every time but it's worth it
That’s why I’ve fatten my self up. Making this god damn plane suffer for daring to carry my 200kg ass
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It is frustrating, that fat people don't have to pay more than me, so I always make sure to stuff my coat pockets with used batteries etc to be as heavy as possible and cost the airline more fuel!!!111
One other thing that he didn't mention: You can't open the exterior door at 35,000 feet. Unless the plane has already been depressurized and somehow you're not dead, those doors are designed to move inward before turning open. Due to the nature of air pressure being higher inside the plane than outside, this would make it impossible for a person to open the door at that high altitude while the plane is pressurized, because all that pressure is pushing out, thus making the door going inward not possible since there's very little pressure on the outside pushing in. Some crazy passengers have tried to open the emergency door mid-flight and all of them could not do it.
All that thanks to DB Cooper, most possibly.
Ok just jump out when it's lower?
@@sonoftheway3528do you have the force?! You’re able to control how low planes are when they crash? That’s so cool 😮
@@The-first-and-only-bobfish There's an argument to be made here, and it's not the one you made. I can in fact predict with 100% accuracy where the plane will crash: on the ground. He suggests doing it above ground, but below untenable pressure.
@@slyseal2091 amazing move
Skydiver here. TSA lets us bring parachutes on board because we like to travel with our rigs to different countries sometimes. It's usually better to check it, but it's very expensive gear so some people naturally do not want just leave in the airlines hands and hope for the best,
Yeah, I don't trust my $5-10k skydiving rig to be a checked bag when I've gotten bags full of clothes lost by them before.
And they definitely won't reimburse you for the full price if they lose it. I think the max reimbursement is like 2k?
@@rapid___ There's a video about lost luggage with AirTag, which concludes for the handling company it's better option (easier? cheaper? quicker? all of the above?) just to reimburse you than actually look for the lost item - even if you kinda know where to look.
@@mikiqex please read the 2nd half of the message you're replying to. :)
No mention of D. B. Cooper? He hijacked a 727 and managed to successfully parachute out of it, after instructing the pilot to fly at low altitude, low speed, and with an unpressurized cabin.
To be fair: as far as i recall we don't know if Cooper survived his jump.
This plane had a rear stair door, which is probably the best possible design you could have for such a feat (and no modern airliners have anymore). And yeah also we have no idea if he actually survived or not.
@@Joshimuz Now *that* would have indeed be interesting to have heard in this video
For a minute there, I thought everybody forgot. 😉
It's said this stunt got the CIA to call up Boeing and ask about acquiring a 727 of their own - and no, they didn't tell Boeing why they wanted an airliner with a jump door.
Oh no, sam found a way to talk about planes again
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planes are fun!
I’m not mad though
At least it wasn't bricks (today)
Don't forget Sam from jetlag the game is technically the same too
this is false propaganda
No he isn't! That Sam actually has a body whereas Sam from HAI and Sam from Wendover are just disembodied voices. Very different people!
I heard they are like cousins or something.
sam from jet lag is the person that the disembodied voices of hai and wendover same drive when they have to go to events
There's another reason: more people will die if planes have parachutes. That's because ticket prices would have to go up like 10% or thereabouts. If you study consumer behavior, a few percent of people will instead drive rather than fly at those higher prices. And guess what-- driving is thousands of times more hazardous than flying. So more people would die if planes had parachutes. Weird, but perfectly logical.
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Right, and that's the real next step of "lower margins mean...". It means that, for some passengers, the cost (price) of flying raises to a point where they'd now no longer fly. Which is bad for business AND for the customers.
@@8stormy5 Only if folks still leave their house, with the price of fuel these days driving any further than the local grocery store isn't affordable (and frankly given the price of groceries these days even that short drive isn't affordable either).
People keep quoting the "statistic" that planes are safer, but at this point I am certain it is out of content and made by boing....
@@cactusmann5542It's not that planes are safe (they are, relatively), it's that driving is really dangerous.
HAI: Everything on a plane is double or triple redundant
Boeing: Hold my beer...
6:01 That's why Boeing connected the system that caused two 737 MAX planes to crash to a single angle of attack sensor that said they were in a stall!!!
Don't worry, the CEO at the time got a golden parachute.
MCAS sensor
An autopilot becoming evil is something that never crossed my mind
737 Max.
I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
That is kind of what happened to Qantas Flight 72.
Wait till they introduce AI autopilots 😬
737 max 8:"*Allow me to introduce myself*"
The parachutes on planes are for the planes, not people. Some training planes have emergency plane parachutes to ease the crash. They are usually bright and can be plainly seen by rescuers looking for the plane. In a case like that, hopefully there would be plains available to land the plane in.
All Cirrus aircraft have parachutes and just within the last few months someone locally had to use theirs when they had an engine failure on climb out and had the choice of either deploying the chute over land or ditching in Lake Washington.
plainly said!
@@dudebehinddude2967planely
This could be an idea for a follow-up video, “Why Planes Do Carry Parachutes”…
Yeah, but those are small, light aircraft. A passenger plane would need a *massive* parachute that would severely limit the amount of people and cargo it could carry, besides being useless most of the time given in take off and landing there wouldn't be enough altitude to deploy them.
Small single engine private planes are more susceptible to both mechanical and human error, therefore a parachute makes (a bit) more sense.
The big issue is that the time it would take for an airliner to have its passengers jump is far longer then a crippled airliner could stay stabilized for that without the airliner also being in good enough shape to go for a controlled crash landing.
This is the most reasonable statement in this entire conversation, video included. Except cost… that’s probably the real reason…
People can barely buckle their seatbelts without assistance. I seriously doubt they'd get a parachute on properly in time. Unless you're in the aisles nearest the doors, you're not making it out if people had to put on parachutes.
Just like when you walk onboard and you see the big exit door seats full of the worst people you would want to help out in an emergency. Airlines have stopped asking if those people are able-bodied and willing to help in an emergency, they know most are not able and don't care, they just say yes to keep the big seat.
Indeed, also this would require the same degree of control as you need to execute an emergency landing so if the plane is flying normally enough to allow people to parachute out it is also flying normally enough to make a controlled emergency landing. Hell even if that landing is in the form of ditching om the on water it is still likely to be way more survivable than letting untrained unqualified individuals jump out of it.
Technically commercial airliners aren't sealed either. They're just sealed *enough* that the extra air being pumped in the by pressurization system can maintain a pressure equal to roughly 6-8k' despite all the air that's constantly leaking out.
I think it's funny that so many people think planes should have parachutes, but nobody wears a helmet in the car.
Fighter pilots kinda have a parachute, and racing drivers usually wear helmets ;)
Common cars are equipped with airbags and seatbelt.
You dont fly thousands of feet in the air and having a crash is usually not fatal because you have a seatbelt and airbags
This is ridiculous bro. Non-equivalent situations entirely. Driving is an everyday experience taking up a significant portion of your time. Considering the odds of getting in a fatal crash and the discomfort and impracticability of wearing a helmet every time you drive, I don’t think it’s actually that interesting a fact at all l. Also, when the accident begins you are already on the ground, so there isn’t the increased certainty of fatality as there is with an airplane crash, should it ensue.
@@Libroer It's not that you drive more and thus you're more likely to die from driving. If you're going to be driving for an hour vs flying for an hour, driving is still more dangerous. You also just happen to do it more.
Now imagine after the jump, having to track down and recover hundreds of potentially injured and unconscious passengers spread over hundreds of square miles of who knows what kind of terrain.
Indeed. I thought the video would also talk about search & rescue. Assume everyone survived the depressurization, knew how to put on their parachute, jumped and made to the ground. Even considering a generous rate of one jump per second, that's 5 whole minutes to empty a wide-body jetliner. At 1000 km/h, this will mean that the passengers will be spread out over more than 80 km. That's not 80 km of paved road or even the Appalachian Trail. Statistically, it's 80km of ocean, desert, jungle, or tundra. It'll take much much longer for the rescue operations to find everyone, compared to keeping everyone on-board then trying an emergency landing or ditching and having everyone in the same place.
yeah i'm with you. i guess human life isn't worth that much. especially when it's a family member's.
Yes! If only they had location tracking devices that work almost anywhere in the world and could also make phone calls.
@@LarryJL This person has never left the city.
@@hydra70 I was in the army. Never lost cell service.
I'm LITERALLY waiting in an airport to get on a 737 to houston as I'm watching this. What the hell, I feel like I'm being watched LMAO
Have a safe flight!
Did you need a parachute?
You flew on a Boeing? You're *brave*
There's also the question of where you would land, having no survival, flotation, or communication equipment.
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If you fell out the the sky survived the fall and managed to have a parachute I don't think you'd care too much about where you landed.
@@swankshire6939 that is assuming you end up on land
@@j1346792/3 of routes are over land, so that's a decent assumption
@@swankshire6939 Yes you do. When you break a leg on impact you will need emergency services within minutes. If you are unhurt: how good are your survival skills to survive outside of civilization for more than two hours? two days? Do you have water, food, a blanket shelter against rain/snow/wind? Are there any dangerous animals on your landing spot? You really wish to be found by rescue services and for that your landing spot is very important.
“I’m telling you, just attach a big parachute TO THE PLANE ITSELF! Is anyone listening to me?!” - Jack Handey
Cirrus aircraft parachute system. CAPS. This is actually a thing in small aircraft, the issue is that the parachutes required to stop at 737 would be ridiculously large and complex. Cirrus had to invent this system so that they can make Vtails because the vtails when they spin cannot be recovered. This is part of why the beechcraft Bonanza gained the title of fork tailed doctor killer.
I'm a pilot. I often tell people who ask, that the airplane's wing IS the parachute. We can glide if the engines fail.
I've heard about this system, didn't it save a few lives when a small plane went down in Utah, California, something like that a few years back? Pretty amazing but you're right, not exactly practical when it comes to a huge jetliner. Even if it weren't impossible, the airlines wouldn't ever invest in it.@@johnb8440
@@bbgun061 much respect to what you do, and that’s a good point. Some amazing stories out there. Sully gets a lot of credit but there was another situation very similar, a flight from South America I believe, that had engine failure after flying through heavy hail and landed safely on a levee near New Orleans. Pretty incredible, I can’t remember the flight though
Also, even mechanical failures that occur during cruise are likely survivable.
If the plane is still controllable it can crash at low speed on a corn field or ditch in the Hudson river. If you're in the brace position with your seatbelt on, your odds of survival are better when you stay in your seat vs bailing out and getting sucked into a 3,000 RPM turbine, even if there is a 100% probability that the pilots can't make it to an airport.
And still higher than you somehow got parachute and pretending to be in Warzone
3000 rpm turbine? This isn't a lazy V8. 3000 rpm is way less than even idle.
I do not know what happens in US, but lowcosters in my part of the world have so little legspace for economy class, that I would not be able to get into brace position whatever I do. Seat before me takes that space where I am supposed to lean, i would have to seat vertically in the case of crash landing, and farewell my beloved spine. Seatbelts are only for a sudden turbulence now, I guess.
Yup. A well managed plane crash is likely to be terrifying, uncomfortable, and possibly result in minor injury...but a well managed plane crash is the crash you are most likely to survive.
It is also worth bearing in mind that if the plane is not in a condition to make a controlled decent it also isn't in any position to fly a stable path for long enough to have hundreds of people jump from it either. You are not getting anyone managing to jump out if the plane is completely out of control in a spinning vertical dive or whatever.
Ok but WHY don’t the planes themselves have singular gigantic parachutes?
Because that wouldn't be enough. The heaviest object that's ever been safety lowered to the ground was about 40 tonnes. A 737/A320 is about that empty, with pax and fuel you're talking between 60-80/90 tonnes
Use three parachutes then
This guy asking the big brain questions
Big Brain hours lmfao
@@tomstravels520nonsense. If 4 penguins can land a plane safely with parachutes, I think we can too
In case somebody wants to mention ejection seat :
for the majority of accidents, it's safer if you evacuate normally - there is no way to safely eject 200-400 people - the seat's rocket motor will probably make a lot of grilled humans around your seat, and any loose item in the cabin affected by the seat will probably become hazardous projectiles that will punch holes through a lot of people - Final Destination stuff, basically
even if they can magically fit those in, but if you're not trained to use it, you're likely gonna die or seriously injured because of it instead - for example, a few limbs might get ripped off if they're not where they're supposed to be
Considering even many pilots aren allowed to fly again after having been ejected, putting an untrained person into an ejection seat will not be pretty. Crushed spine, serious neck injuries (can be fatal), damage to theeth or tounge, whiplash and that's all the stuff a trained person is still at reisk for, not to mention the absolute caranage you described.
"On a commercial airliner, every system is going to be double or triple redundant" - say that to the ONE angle of attack sensor that was hooked up the the stability system (that pilots also weren't told actually existed) on the 737 max that caused those crashes
There were multiple AoA sensors. The problem was the software did not respond appropriately when one of them failed or emitted an erroneous signal. (Which then caused the engagement of the MCAS system that no one knew existed).
Redundency is very very important, that is why Boeing made sure to only put only one angle of attack sensor on their MCAS system...
Dark man
5:19 General aviation accident statistics are very much not the same as commercial aviation statistics, and this video is explicitly about the latter - the point about phases of flight still stands, but that pie chart is just misleading :/ (The reason more crashes happen during landing and takeoff is also that the ground is closer, and crashes often involve the ground)
He also did not watch Mythbusters and so still thinks a plan violently decompresses and sucks stuff out....
"crashes often involve the ground" [citation needed]
This whole damn video was a waste of time. Terrible
If a plane is crashing it wouldn't be at 30000ft. Just sayin'
why tf does the top comment have 7 likes
For long
Most planes crash at 0ft. There’s not much to collide with in the sky.
true, i don't know why would you ever jump at the altitudes where the planes travel, no sane pilot would ever give up on a plane much less when you have so much height.
"dear passengers, i have lost control of the plane, ready up your parachutes" - said no one ever
It would but then at 25,000, 20,000, 15,000
i am LIVING for these slightly longer HAI videos
"This is your captain speaking. Please fasten your seat belts as we are experiencing some mild turbulence.
That one mf that brought a parachute: "Not today." *Opens cabin door
*jumps into jet engine inlet
Remember, to avoid issues with cabin pressure, outside temperature and high speeds, make sure to jump when the pIane is sIow and Iow, i.e. when most accidents happen anyway.
and if it is low, you can't even realistically use the parachute
@@_Mintyz_well, not THAT low. Just like… not at 35,000 feet ya know. 12 or 13 k would do it
@@Libroer how do you know what altitude you are and how are you going to going to jump out of a free falling or fast falling plane?
@@_Mintyz_ the pilot knows
@@Libroer it would only be reasonable to jump out when the plane is either uncontrollable (aka basically free falling) or when the plane is free falling or when the nose is locked far down. I wish you the best of luck to jump out of a plane in these conditions.
Sam must feel so accomplished that he was finally able to talk about planes.
Even if it was possible, and all else went "well," that would be one crowded sky. There would be tons of deaths from parachute to parachute collisons. Also, high altutide parachutingnis possible with scuba like gear. The army calls it HALO, i used to reman some of it, its pretty cool stuff, but its more complex then a regular jump.
I don't understand this logic. "100% deaths is better than tons of deaths"
@@sonoftheway3528 most plane incidents are recoverable to a degree. There are fairly few 100% death crashes.
@@sonoftheway3528The only 100% death cases are the ones where the landing is so uncontrolled, the pilot couldn't have brought the plane into a parachuting position in the first place. The video never addressed that to my surprise either, most of these problems _can_ be solved by just designing them with a commerical situation in mind. You can turn the engines off, improve door positions, make easy parachutes, hand out radios, fly low and then depressurize slowly, etc.
But all of this would only work in situations where the current system of trying to control the crash is always a better solution.
@@slyseal2091 I'm a bit confused about your last sentence.
So you're saying it is feasible but, wouldn't be better than the current system?
@@sonoftheway3528 A situation where the plane works well enough to let passengers jump out, is a situation where the plane works well enough to let everyone survive a rough landing. Imagine there are 100 ways a plane can crash. Jumping has 50 survivable scenarios. Landing has 75 survivable scenarios. Landing works in every scenario in which jumping works.
Another problem he didn’t mention is if you parachuted over water. Even if you survive the parachute jump, you won’t survive in the sea. When I was in the military, I heard our pilots would only survive in the sea, in winter temperatures, for 7 minutes without wearing an immersion suit before they succumb to hypothermia. Imagine the Titanic with no life rafts.
Also, from my experience in the military, I call bullsh*t that aircraft can’t carry weight. We had over 50kg luggage allowance each and the trooper aircraft was at max capacity (291 pax? The aircraft had a 45,000 kg dry payload). So Airlines saying they can’t carry weight is just them being greedy and trying to maximise their profits. Even Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 flew with over 10 tonnes of cargo (a shipment of lithium ion batteries and mangosteen fruit) in addition to its passengers and their luggage.
There is a scene in Shute’s IN THE WET where a visiting politician demands why the royal 747 does not have a Very pistol, while the pilot tries to explain that if they were in trouble, setting off manual flares would not help, and they can’t set it down just anywhere.
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They opted for the Extremely pistol instead
Another piece- even if you somehow survived, you could be thousands of miles from where the plane crashed, meaning no one will find you, so unless you dropped near a city, youll starve alone on the wilderness
the forest
Commercial airlines could save so much weight, thus reducing the cost of tickets for passengers and allowing the executives to buy more horses, by eliminating the double and triple redundant mechanical systems. Why haven't they done this?
Boeing would like to offer you a job
Pretty sure that would violate a hundred bajillion FAA and NTSB regulations, and airline executives are probably not keen on jail time.
Oh, it said "horses"? I thought that line was "Porsches".
So I went back and listened again, and I think you're right - "horses" it is! (And the auto-generated subtitles agree.)
@@mt_xing I'm interested. But I'll definitely be driving to their headquarters for the interview.
@@benjaminlynch9958it's only illegal if you get caught, and if you do get caught simply shift the blame to the ones that died.
Anyone who thinks parachutes on commercial planes would be a good idea, knows nothing about parachutes or commercial planes.
Or good ideas.
Guess you haven't heard of DB Cooper
its cuz we dont really think about it, when we think of the idea, most people just hear high altitude, and something to slow down the jump heavily to make it easily survivable (and for some people, fun) we immediately think its fine
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@@Johnne009 Seems he didn't know so much about them either, seeing as he probably fell to his death.
I literally talked about this yesterday. Haven't watched yet, but I'm assuming you re-iterate the sad truth that parachutes would be useless to 99% of people since they don't know how to use it, and the exit from the plane would likely be more dangerous than surviving the landing.
That's pretty much the 1 sentence summary of the video!
just bring a flying type pokemon instead
3:22 the man 2nd from the left in "this group of guys" isn't an airline executive - he is Wes Moore, Rhodes scholar, former CEO of the Robin Hood Foundation (which raised more than $650 million during his four years at the helm), and governor of the US state of Maryland since January 2023. He is also a military vet, having served in the US Army from 1998 to 2014, leaving service with the rank of Captain and as the recipient of the National Defense Service Medal, the Armed Forces Reserve Medal, and the Army Service Ribbon.
2:45 No? Even in an explosive decompression this wouldn't happen, worst case scenario the person sitting next to the hole could get sucked out if they weren't buckled
That "dangerous vacuum" had me actually cracking up 😂
0:12 lol i was on a 737 going to houston when I read the headline that the boeing ceo resigned
“Correction, sir. That’s blown out”
-Commander Data
But Sam, what if I waited to jump out of the plane until after it had fallen to a survivable altitude, spending that extra time making sure I had my parachute on right? Would it be any less of a terrible idea then?
Saw once an article about somebody suggesting a system where people would be seatbelted to their seats at all times during the flight, though not just normal hip-belts, but instead four-point belts like fighter pilots, and in case something would happen, the seats would be released through the back of the plane on rails, with a small inflateable hood being deployed over the head of the passenger for air, and the parachute would deploy from the backrest of their seat. Though even if that system worked, as you described here, all these extra-systems would probably add up weight preeeeetty fast, reducing both the number of possible passengers and luggage and range for such planes.
That's why I carry my own parachute whenever I am on a flight.
Airlines should just tell passengers that their emergency life vests can also be used as parachutes. They’re about equally likely to save you in either case.
2:15 Technically this isn't 100% true. While you absolutely would get sucked out due to the depressurization, there have been people who have skydived from heights at and above commercial airline altitude (and survived). Obviously most of those were doing things like testing pressure suits and such but there have been some without pressure suits/without functional pressure suits. But regardless of that, those were all people who were extremely well trained skydivers usually testing things for the military in case of emergency ejections for pilots/astronauts, not the general public who would absolutely not fair nearly as well. But theoretically speaking you probably won't die from the lack of oxygen and cold before hitting the ground, you would just die from hitting the ground when you failed to skydive properly/get knocked unconscious from the depressurization
watching this video while on a plane to houston.. you know too much man
But this should be common sense lol
5:39 Doubly and triply redundant means there are two and three things _in total_ respectively. So, in the case of a failure, there are _one_ and _two_ backups, not two and three backups.
No? If what you say is true. A "redundant system" doesn't exist. Only a "double redundant system" would be the minimum. But that's not true.
A redundant system already has a backup. So a "double" redundant system has 2 backups, 3 systems in total. And a "triple redundant" system would have 3 backups, 4 systems in total.
Again a "redundant system" already has a backup. So a "double redundant system" has 2.
No?
Allowing passengers to jump out of the plane with 30 seconds of training they are gonna ignore would be a legal nightmare.
Commenting before the video but there are planes that have plane-sized parachutes built into the body of the plane, mostly on single prop private craft but the technology is there and they've already saved multiple lives from engine failures
Because surprise surprise.
It was lighter and has less redudancy anyway like.... two engine?
@@bocahdongo7769 what about single prop stunt planes?? Or someone who wants even more redundancy in their personal aircraft?
@@masterlotiondmtYou get your emotion first, my point is just, It's irrelevant in bigger plane anyway.
You can use the same resource to developer insanely ultrasafe foolproof superlight parachute to just.... Rework the entire fucking Boeing instead. We already have plane with ZERO fatality anyway (like A380, from not Boeing)
3:22 ... Um no, the correct answer is not "rich guy horses." It's customer airfares will be pressured to go up.
I once was on a plane that had mechanical failure because it hit a flock of birds which got stuck in the engines... and 3 out of 4 engines shutdown, and pilots still managed to turn around and land back in the airport of departure... So yeah parachute wouldn't help there because we were too low still anyway...
A four-engined airliner is not certified for flight on a single engine, it's certified for flight on three and sometimes as few as two engines. The only instance I can find of a triple engine failure happening on a four-engined aircraft was an A400M... which crashed, because it is, of course, not actually controllable in that circumstance. Don't exaggerate the story please.
@@DaWolf805did you know birds are not at 35000ft so they prob hit some while climbing
@@DaWolf805It has nothing to do with "certification" it was force major... And I think they actually managed to restart some of the engines they didn't completely shut off, so I suppose that is a bit of exaggeration... It wasn't crash landing so yeah not much coverage they managed to turn around and land safely
I dislike flying because it’s uncomfortable, dehumanizing and often painful not because it’s dangerous.
ok?
Video sponsored by Boeing
I see what you did there 😂😂😂
Boeing did
He made a video against Boeing in his other channel.
Just watched this sitting at an airport gate about to go to Houston, where i dont particularly want to go. Nice call.
Wait, Half as Interesting is also Wendover? I was totally oblivious to that
I am so confused. They are not? I thought they were.
yes they are lol, and you can see some of the team in action on their third channel jetlag
“Sam … Wendover Productions, Half as Interesting, Extremities, and the travel competition show Jet Lag: The Game.” (Wikipedia) - also he & friends have two pretty good episodes on Lateral Podcast.
Also the voice and the in-joke references between the channels are a hint :)
@@MasterChef12109 I wasn't claiming that they weren't the same, just that I wasn't aware.
You can’t get most of the pax to get a life jacket on. I don’t want to think of a plane load ‘the general public’ trying to put a parachute on. 😂
PLF: ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF
ANA: if we make passengers go to the bathroom before taking off we'll save 8¢ worth of fuel for each one.
Ryanair: no, no, no, if they have to go to the bathroom while they're in the air we can charge them much more than that!
Judging by his facial expression, that guy at 4:12 definitely caused whatever it is that's happening to that plane.
Absolutely fantastic! I really appreciate you ability and willingness to branch out, but we know THIS is your wheelhouse. Loved it! One of your best videos in years. Can't wait for another.
6:30 correction - 100% of plane crashes happen at landing
Haha
I'm a cabin crew and I get asked "where's my parachute stowed" all the time. When I tell them there's no parachutes they get horrified and no amount of explanation helps...
OK, you're ruled out parachutes, but what about ejector seats for every passenger?
I like that your solution is just "what if we just eliminated the parachute and lived (or perhaps not) with the consequences"
Those seats work by using explosives. Would you have 300 explosive charges on your flight at all time? What if there is a malfunction? You can not launch every seat at same time, so you would kill most people inside the plane when seats blow up the charge and fry people sitting next to you. Where does the roof go? It will fly away and hit tail and then the plane is 100% gone.
i can think of no flaws in this idea and we should do it immediately
One thing you forgot to mention. Airliner doors are designed so that you can't open them if flight. Ever notice that they open outward and you can't push a 300 pound door against a 400 mph slipstream. Another factor is that when it is figured out that the airplane is going to crash it is already too low to the ground. Even if you could get to a door you would probably hit the ground before your parachute opened.
I feel like I recognize the guy at 0:05
The last time we tried the whole parachutes on planes thing, they were golden and it worked out for a few (former) Boeing execs but not so well for the rest of us.
thanks for all the tips sam, gonna jump out of my next flight in your honor!
Fantastic video! I enjoyed this style. I hope making it was cathartic to make!
DB Cooper has entered the chat
The plane he hopped out of had a rear door.
Also, he seems to have been a vet, as he chose the older, military-issue parachutes.
@@theregalproletariatas long you have a door behind the engines you should be fine
@@theregalproletariat the parachutes came from a skydiving school that used to be about a mile from my house (the airport is now Costco). He didn't have a choice in the chutes he got--they literally grabbed them off the shelf and took them to SEATAC.
@@Johnne009 and the people in front?
@@Johnne009It also helps that the 727 tailplane is higher compared to most other planes
The number one reason we dont have parachutes is cost, plain and simple. The other reasons are just there to distract from said reason
Couldn’t you wait until the plane falls to an altitude you could survive jumping from before jumping out? If it’s crashing it should pass through a lower atmosphere before it hits the ground.
sure, but if you're in an uncontrolled freefall, how are you going to make it to the doors? people can't get off the damn things in a timely when they're sitting on the ground, much less when the noses is pointed towards hell, and everyone is panicking, and you'd probably just be thrown around the cabin if you were moving around. If it's not in freefall, and they can level off long enough to shed passengers, they probably have enough control left to land in the first place.
Also how would you know when that is? That’s assuming you even managed to get your parachute on, walked to the door in that turbulence and somehow opened the door all in time. But then again, how would you know the timing for all that?
I would strongly assume that if the pilots have enough control left to get the plane into a position where people could parachute from it, they have enough control to get the plane down onto some runway.
IF
ELSE?
yes you could but that would only be possible when its a controlled descend, if for any reason the controls fail like in the Swissair 111 accident not even the best skydiver wouldnt make it
HAI: No, you can NOT parachute out of a commercial plane
Me: Hold my half can of beer in a plastic cup
4:23 man, you said "crashed"
I know of someone that will definitely tell you it was a controlled water landing.
A forced water landing.
Boeing: what redundancy? triple layer of safety feature?! You get half a safety feature, take it or leave it!
We jumped from jets in the Army. It had a special screen that broke up the air to stop you from getting slammed back into the fuselage. Still, I cannot imagine making this work for 100 plus civilians.
The bit with the photoshopped cord was brilliant, well done Ben, or Amy, or whoever wrote that!
0:15 Fun fact: planes technically have structural paper parts. It's made of aramid fibres instead of wooden ones but still.
(It's called Nomex honeycomb if you want to google it)
aramid is what they make bulletproof vests out of. i don't think it's quite comparable to paper
@@irregularguy6465 to my knowledge it's technically classified as a paper by the manufacturer, which is enough for me to make this joke
Well, there was that guy who went to jail because he decided to bail out of a (perfectly working) aircraft with a parachute as a youtuber-influencer-viral-video stunt that went badly for him for lying to the feds. But on the plus side, some aircraft do have whole-aircraft parachutes - the Cirrus SR-22 being the most common example. If you get in trouble in any phase, you deploy it by pulling a handle and then you come down gently in a more survivable accident. It's saved a number of lives, but it's for the whole aircraft.
was not aware of the hudson river crash statistics with the life vests, thats actually really interesting and kinda shocking
Dissapointed this wasnt a video about how comically ridiculous a single giant parachut carrying an entire 737 would be
Ive flown in the king air at 1:16 how random lol
Parachutes could still be used. Most crashes have glide time prior, so if the captain wanted too he could get it low and slow enough for you to safely jump out from the aft
Most crashes? Can you please prove that? Most that involves a glide are usually due to engine failure and pilots are trained to land with stricken engines
@@tomstravels520 You literally just said why.
Having glide time doesnt mean you'll avoid a crash landing.
@@greed0599 a rarity is what I’m pointing out. Imagine if the passengers of TS261 jumped out of the plane only for the plane then safetly lands at an airport whilst they’re floating in the Atlantic Ocean
@@tomstravels520 Ok? That wasnt my point though. My point was that using a parachute to evacuate a passenger jet in an emergency situation wouldnt have to be lethal as half as interesting suggests.
@@greed0599have you looked up the stats on engine failure and crash landings? The bulk of them in the last several years have had minimal casualties.
If the pilot can get the plane stable, slow, and at a controlled altitude, then it's going to be safer for the passengers to ride the plane down.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft
Just look at the number of accidents with 'engine failure' as the cause of crash (vs communication issues or weather issues) and you'll see most of the times, esp with big jets, most of the people survive.
Most people making these comments have no idea how chaotic it is in a crashing airliner. They should watch the air crash videos available on RUclips.
He didn't mention this-which is sort of strange, but due to the pressurized cabin, it is nearly impossible for a human to push an emergency door open at high altitudes, so the thought of parachuting is even less effective.
Okay, but I'm built different. I'd survive.
This is a joke right?
@@maxwell6881No. Have you seen my abs? I am a machine of a human
"These guys can buy fewer horses or something"... If that is a reference to what I think it is, that was hilariously savage.
Maybe I missed it, but it seemed like you missed a critical point in all of this analysis: how long are you in these conditions? I mean sure, its very very cold up there, but if I bring a jacket, and start the jump warm, how cold will I be before the temperature gets to a reasonable level while descending at terminal velocity? Same for oxygen. People can hold their breath with zero oxygen whatsoever for a minute at least. After a minute of free fall decent, what will their altitude be? If we count in the fact that they can breath some oxygen in the whole time, I don't see how air should be a problem. It takes about 2 minutes from leaving a plane at 30k to get down to an elevation of 10k where we know everything is fine.
you have around 5-6 seconds of usable conscience at around 35k feet, saying you don't hit the horizontal stabiliser or the engine or the body etc even if you held your breath it still will take too long before you get down safe enough (you need to decent around 20k feet in a minute) terminal velocity is around 10k feet per minute so you'd need to hold your breath for 2 minutes to be safe, while parachuting. pretty much impossible also everyone can't jump at the same time so you could be waiting a couple minutes to jump and would have to hold your breath for 4 minutes, good luck...
Also if you take the globe what would be your chance of landing somewhere to be rescued or somewhere where you could just go to the nearest village/city is likely under 5% so yeah good luck!
I think the critical point was that if you jump out of a commercial plane you're likely to end up as confetti that's been passed through a jet engine or as a splatter on the vertical stabilizer before any other causes of death become a concern.
That aside, people have certainly survived jumps from very high altitudes without supplemental oxygen so it's technically possible. You probably aren't going to die from lack of oxygen in 2 minutes. However, at 35k ft you've got maybe 30-60 seconds of useful consciousness to work with before you pass out. Nobody's getting geared up and out the door in that amount of time, especially in the chaotic conditions you'd find in the cabin following rapid decompression. But you're right, if you were in a plane that was safe to jump from, had not just been explosively decompressed, and you were hooked up to oxygen until the moment of your jump....you could get down to a breathable altitude alive. It's been done.
@@pedal_all_day Why on earth would you pass out in 30 seconds? From what?
@@_Mintyz_ Why on earth would you pass out in 5-6 seconds?
@@jweezy101491 lack of oxygen, point is if you don't hold your breath or stop it before getting to a safe height your gonna pass out then fall slam into the ground and hypoxia can also cause death so before you hit it you are likely gone from the planet, also I'm ignoring the fact your lungs don't work at 35k feet so good luck even holding your breath.
Short answer to save you 8 minutes: do you want to jump from 30,000 feet in the air with your casual travel clothing?
OMG Happy Easter HAI!
Side note, when I was trying various small flying things years back, I remember in some of them (gliders, some ultralights) you actually had to wear a parachute, because the seats were designed with their presence in mind and it was pretty much impossible to sit in them without one.
Don't forget, if you do bring your parachute, know how to use it, you have an oxygen mask and heat suit (or just anything to stop you from dying from the cold and hypoxia) you still can't **physically open the door**, due to the crazy speed and air pressure you have better chances trying to open a vault door with the locks still on, so yeah good luck even being able to jump out. And even if you do jump out you will likely hit the horizontal stabiliser, even if you do/miss all of that magically you probably will just end out in the ocean and drown or be stuck in an incredibly rural area with no service or hell even the side of a mountain or in the middle of the desert where help would struggle to even come
In an emergency, I'll trust the pilots and air attendants over my dumb arse self with a parachute.
2:30 No vacuum is created, and nothing is getting sucked out. The higher pressure air inside the cabin is _pushing _ everything out.
"Systems are usually double or triple redundant."
Or Boeing corporate decided the system was just actually redundant and removed it entirely to save some money, who needs safety on planes anyway.
5:30 I boarded a flight where engine 2-4's starters didn't work. they had a built in redundancy that allowed them to start the other engines with the power from engine 1