AI Robots & Faith: Is Reason against Religion? Plato, Kant, Hegel, Ibne Arabi | Ahmad Javaid Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- In this insightful episode of the OTS educational podcast series, we feature scholar and poet Ahmad Javaid, alongside co-host research scholar Shamsuddin Hassan Shigri. The discussion delves into the debate: Is reason opposed to religion? Scrutinizing ideas from Western philosophy to Islamic mysticism and Sufism, as well as perennial wisdom, artificial intelligence and new atheism.
Exploring philosophical and theological constructs concerning idea, existence, reason, knowledge, and human consciousness from the foundational works of Plato and Aristotle to the modern insights of Immanuel Kant, Georg W. F. Hegel, and Karl Marx, and further extending to influential Muslim figures such as Ibn Arabi and his contemporaries, Ahmad Javaid embarks on an in-depth inquiry into this thought-provoking debate.
Join us as we navigate through centuries of thought, examining the intersections and divergences between faith, reason, and intellectual discourse.
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00:00 - 03:42 Highlights
03:42 - 05:21 Prelude: Guests & Topics
05:21 - 10:43 Reason, Innate Ideas & Consciousness
10:43 - 13:10 Tawhid: A Universal Reality
13:10 - 18:00 What Is Religious Reasoning?
18:00 - 32:40 Three Schools of Classical Philosophy
32:40 - 42:52 God & Paradoxes in Philosophy
42:52 - 45:17 Rationalism vs Materialism
45:17 - 49:42 Greek Method: Reason with Skepticism
49:42 - 54:52 Reason in Shia Islam?
54:52 - 1:00:06 Reason according to Quran
1:00:06 - 1:04:04 Failure of Philosophers
1:04:04 - 1:07:27 Atheism: Example from China
1:07:27 - 1:10:10 Islam, Modernity & Militancy
1:10:10 - 1:14:53 Triumph of Empiricism
1:14:53 - 1:16:48 Marx & Darwin: Philosophy Today?
1:16:48 - 1:22:36 Demystifying Reason with Rumi & Iqbal
1:22:36 - 1:26:09 Reason vs Love: A Sufi Discourse
1:26:09 - 1:33:32 Suhrawardi to Ibn Arabi: Philosophy vs Sufism
1:33:32 - 1:37:06 Scrutinizing Sufism
1:37:06 - 1:43:58 Concluding Remarks
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بے شک ہم بھی دعا گو ہیں کہ اللہ کریم احمد جاوید صاحب کو بخیر و عافیت رکھے، صحت اور تندرستی کے ساتھ، ایمان کی سلامتى کے ساتھ، اور بہترین ہوش و حواس والی لمبی زندگی عطا فرمائے، امین یا رب العالمین امین.
آمین! آپ کی نیک تمناؤں کا شکریہ۔ ہم سب بھی احمد جاوید صاحب کی صحت و سلامتی کے لیے دعا گو ہیں۔
Off the School
کی طرف سے بہترین کوشش
مآشآءاللّٰه بہت ہیی عمدہ گفتگو بہترین سوالات اور ان کے جوابات کاش کہ آج کے لوگوں میں احمد جاوید صاحب کو سنے اور سمجھنے کا ذوق پیدا ہو جائے ۔۔۔ اس پر فتن دور میں احمد جاوید صاحب کی گفتگو اور تجزیے بہت اہمیت کے حامل ہیں ہم خوش نصیب ہیں کہ ہمیں اس دور میں محترم احمد جاوید صاحب جیسے مفکر و مدبراور علمی ہستی کی رہنمائی حاصل ہے آنے والے دور اور مستقبل میں جب اس طرح کی علمی گفتگو لوگ دیکھیی گے تو آج کے زمانے کو محترم کے علمی شعور اور دور اندیشی کی وجہ سے یاد کریں گے ۔۔ اللّٰه اکبر ✨
آپ کے قیمتی الفاظ کا شکریہ۔ ماشاء اللہ، احمد جاوید صاحب کے علم اور فکر سے فیضان حاصل کرنا واقعی ایک اعزاز ہے۔
"Humanly, no one escapes the obligation to 'believe in order to be able to understand.' " (Isa Nur al Din)
Thank you Najam Bhai for bringing us more of master Ahmad Javaid and opening my third eye through this podcast.
I appreciate the relevant questions asked.❤ Props
Ma sha ALLAH
We're thrilled to hear that you found the podcast enlightening! Najam Bhai’s efforts to bring profound dialogues to the forefront are indeed commendable. Thank you for your appreciation and for recognizing the depth of the questions presented.
"The attempt is made to view the world not from a place within it, or from the vantage point of a special kind of life or awareness, but from nowhere in particular, and no form of life in particular at all!." Thomas Nagel, "Mortal Questions", 1979, p. 208 (London: OUP)
Most informative Pakistani podcast to ever exist. Good Job team.
What a compliment, thank you so much! We strive to bring valuable content to our audience, and it’s wonderful to know that efforts are resonating with you.
Can't wait for the next session
❤The great teacher of now a days in our country, Ahmed Javid sb.❤
Thank you for your kind words! Ahmad Javaid Sahib indeed continues to inspire and educate with his profound insights. We are proud to share his teachings.
Very informative, factual, and practical podcast I have seen yet. Espresso from Ali sheikhani. People usually talks about how he becam "ALI SHEIKHANI" but this is the first one who asked very practical and contextual questions.
Mashallah, buhat umda
JazakAllah.
This podcast is a goldmine of knowledge ❤
We're delighted you think so! Our goal is to unearth and share wisdom with our listeners. Your feedback is incredibly encouraging. Thank you for tuning in!
Kindly put English subtitles for more understandings. i know it would be more difficult in English but at least we can try to understand through multiple sources.
Thank you for your suggestion. We understand the challenges posed by Ahmad Javaid Sahib's sophisticated Urdu, and we have already provided subtitles for the key parts of our over three-minute long trailer. You can find these subtitles in both the trailer and the shorts/reels of this podcast. Translating philosophical content requires significant effort and attention to detail, which is why the translation of the trailer and shorts took considerable time and effort. We hope to have your support as we continue to work on translating this full podcast, as well as Ahmad Javaid Sahib's previous two sessions at OTS. Here are the links to those sessions:
Previous Podcast : ruclips.net/video/8dgEOxF1y44/видео.html
What Is Knowledge: ruclips.net/video/uFsX3E6SH1Q/видео.html
Your understanding and prayers for our strength to complete this task are greatly appreciated.
@@Off-The-School thanks for sharing I can understand his 99% Urdu and can understand Persian even but it's very precious talk my suggestion is for younger generations and for those who are not good in Urdu.
MA podcast sun ker bohat acha lagga Allah Talla aap k kaam aur mahaat mein barakat dain plz ittni achi gufttagu ko agr thora asan urdu mein byaan ker dain tu bohat say logoon ko is ka faida ho ga .
Wonderful podcast, looking forward to the next episode where you guys will discuss modern science, atheism and the topic of "aabadiyat" that Ahmad javed sahb has mentioned in the end.
We want him in another podcast ❤
@ 45: 45 . "Credo ut intelligam." (I believe so that I may understand.) Augustine of Hippo / Anselm of Canterbury
The topic suggested by Ahmad Javaid sb at the end on the universality of Hadith is a must have.
We agree, the topic is both vital and intriguing. Plans are underway to delve deeper into this subject in upcoming sessions. Stay tuned!
Please add english captions so that we outsiders take advantage of this scholer, as Muslim this is a controversial topic so I like to know your point of view in this matter
Thank you for your suggestion. We understand the challenges posed by Ahmad Javaid Sahib's sophisticated Urdu, and we have already provided subtitles for the key parts of our over three-minute long trailer. You can find these subtitles in both the trailer and the shorts/reels of this podcast. Translating philosophical content requires significant effort and attention to detail, which is why the translation of the trailer and shorts took considerable time and effort. We hope to have your support as we continue to work on translating this full podcast, as well as Ahmad Javaid Sahib's previous two sessions at OTS. Here are the links to those sessions:
Previous Podcast : ruclips.net/video/8dgEOxF1y44/видео.html
What Is Knowledge: ruclips.net/video/uFsX3E6SH1Q/видео.html
Your understanding and prayers for our strength to complete this task are greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your suggestion. We understand the challenges posed by Ahmad Javaid Sahib's sophisticated Urdu, and we have already provided subtitles for the key parts of our over three-minute long trailer. You can find these subtitles in both the trailer and the shorts/reels of this podcast. Translating philosophical content requires significant effort and attention to detail, which is why the translation of the trailer and shorts took considerable time and effort. We hope to have your support as we continue to work on translating this full podcast, as well as Ahmad Javaid Sahib's previous two sessions at OTS. Here are the links to those sessions:
Previous Podcast : ruclips.net/video/8dgEOxF1y44/видео.html
What Is Knowledge: ruclips.net/video/uFsX3E6SH1Q/видео.html
Your understanding and prayers for our strength to complete this task are greatly appreciated.
English translation please 22:22
Great teacher
ماشاءاللہ
I would highly appreciate Dr Amad Javaid, if he can touch upon the irrelavence of recent philosophical figures like Heidegger and his phenomenological approach of answering big question of Being. Almost all everything i see now can be traced back to Heidegger. Does his work like Being and Time have any substance, and can be used or have the potential to be developed further to understand religiousity and Religion
Great scholar of our time ❤
Eid Mubarak to Ahmad Javaid and to all his audience, the followers of this and his own RUclips Channel. Like everything else faith related, every ritual and every sacred event, the Islamic Eid is also about both stepping out and also stepping in: stepping out of the prison of time, the soul shattering chaos of the world that engulf us all irrespective of our standing or rank in this world; and, more importantly, a stepping in to re-collect, re-assess, re-awaken and re-member (remember). This Eid ul Adha is especially about the sacred virtue of sacrifice above all else, and what decent, meaningful and authentic human relationship can be devoid of it? Ahmad Javaid has often talked about the utter importance of relationships, both horizontally (with the world, with Manifestation) but especially "vertically" (with God, with the Principle) and rightly so. His lament has been that all relationships are now devoid of "sincerity" and when there is no sincerity in Faith/Iman, no other piety matters, as all the sages and saints of Islam have stressed throughout the ages, Imam/Hazrat Ali (AS) in particular who has said: "The pinnacle of faith is sincerity". I would add to that the virtue of sacrifice. Our relationships now lack sacrifice as well, or "sincere sacrifice". Everything is now commodity-like, including relationships, just as Marx had foreseen. Ahmad Javaid's other emphasis has been on prayer/zikr and what can be a better way to bring us back to that fitrah, to that state of natural goodness from which we have strayed away than prayer? So, pray for one another, for the old and the young, pray for your community and for the world that now seems to be on fire with what is going on in places like Gaza and Pakistan in particular. Prayer heals and this world is deeply in need of healing above everything else. Eid Mubarak to all! (Dervaish, Quetta walla)
بہت خوب ❤️
Great man
Absolutely, Ahmad Javaid Sahib's impact is truly remarkable. We're glad you appreciate his contributions!
بہترین گفتگو
شکریہ! آپ کی تائید اور حوصلہ افزائی کی بہت قدر کرتے ہیں۔
Says Bruno Berard about Kant in a recent article:
If, in philosophy, there is a 'before an after Immanuel Kant (1724-1804), this is because he has inverted the meaning of intelligence (Verstand) and reason (Vernunft) as understood by all preceding philosophers: from Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus and St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Dante, Leibnitz, Malebranche, and beyond, all said to labor under an illusion which he (Kant) alone was able to recognize and dispel! (What pathological hubris!)
professor sahib is Gem of Islam❤
بہت عمدہ گفتگو
Glad you like it!
Whereas modernism (often called modernity) says “God is abstract / is an abstraction; we are the real/reality”, authentic, revealed religions say, “God is the Real; we are the abstraction”. Cogito ergo sum ( “I think, therefore, I am”) said Descartes, the father of modern rationalism and of modern philosophy. Cogito, ergo Est ("I think, therefore God is” or "Because God is, I can, therefore, think") say the sacred religious traditions of man. This is the crucial difference.
Mein dusri baar sun raha hun . . . Samajh mein na aanay wali cheezein aik se ziada baar sunna is baat ki daleel hein k Kaanon se paar mere wujood ka koi buland tar hissa Murshidi (DB) ka mukhatib hein
پوری ویڈیو کی سمری کا شکریہ ۔
کمال ایپیسوڈ ہے ❤
Before Nietzsche, Kant-the so-called “philosophers’ philosopher”---said (in words to that effect): “We can never know noumena (things in themselves, things as they really are) because our perception stops us from having a pure and undiluted access to it. In other words, Ultimate Reality or God is impossible! What this sage of Konigsberg was saying amounts to this: “I cannot jump and slam dunk. So, there is no such thing as the sport of basketball!” (this is the famous epistemic turn of modern Western philosophy after which modern man became solely concerned with how questions of epistemology and forgot all abut ontology, which Heidegger tried to revive in the twentieth century). This man, Immanuel Kant, never left his small European town where he lived, never met a non-European, but was not hesitant, just like his predecessor David Hume, to pronounce Eurocentric and even racist evaluations of Africans and other peoples. The millennial traditions of Asians and Africans with their rich and diverse ways of knowing, doing and being amounted to nothing to him!
جاوید صاحب کو اپنا نقطہ نظر شعور ربانی سے ہم اہنگ کر کے بیان کرنا چاہیے ۔ بے کراں کائنات کو سامنے رکھ کر بات ہو ۔۔۔بات پھر افادی نقطہ نظر سے اگے بڑھ جائے گی ۔اس بات کی بھی تفہیم ہونا شروع ہو جائے گی کہ اس معمولی سے خطہ ارض کو سامنے رکھ کر اگر زیادہ اہمیت دی جائے گی تو یہ پھر ۔سورہ انسانی کی تنگی داماں ہے۔۔اور اس کا علاج کائنات کے الوہی تناظر کے ساتھ ہم اہنگی میں ہیں ۔۔اگر الہئی نقطہ نظر سے دیکھیں گے تو پھر کائنات کی تمام تقسیمیں اتمام ہو جائیں گی ۔۔۔
Ma Sha ALLAH.
Invite Sahil Adeem in podcast too.
Please don’t invite him
@gh😊😊😊😊😅😅😅azalaahmad8386
زبردست بھائی، کراچی والوں کی محنت کو سلام
Please add the subtitles,subtitles should have been there. Ahmad javed sb uses tough urdu language
Thank you for your suggestion. We understand the challenges posed by Ahmad Javaid Sahib's sophisticated Urdu, and we have already provided subtitles for the key parts of our over three-minute long trailer. You can find these subtitles in both the trailer and the shorts/reels of this podcast. Translating philosophical content requires significant effort and attention to detail, which is why the translation of the trailer and shorts took considerable time and effort. We hope to have your support as we continue to work on translating this full podcast, as well as Ahmad Javaid Sahib's previous two sessions at OTS. Here are the links to those sessions:
Previous Podcast : ruclips.net/video/8dgEOxF1y44/видео.html
What Is Knowledge: ruclips.net/video/uFsX3E6SH1Q/видео.html
Your understanding and prayers for our strength to complete this task are greatly appreciated.
اللہ اکبر، دیکھ کر دل باغ باغ ہو گیا، اتنی خوشی ہوئی کہ باوجود ایک مصروفیت کے اس کو کلک تو کر دیا ہے، لیکن ابھی تھوڑی دیر بعد دیکھوں گا.
کمنٹ کرنے کا شوق ہوا، کہ فوراً یہ کہوں، کہ یار اللہ اپ کو خوش رکھے، اپ نے کمال کیا ہے، کہ دوبارہ احمد جاوید صاحب کو اپنے ساتھ لے کر یہ گفتگو کی ہے.
انتہا درجے کا اچھا کام اپ کرتے ہیں، جب بھی احمد جمیل صاحب کو شامل گفتگو کرتے ہیں.
ان کی باتوں کو ریکارڈ کرنا اور پھر ضروری اور اہم سوالات کرنا، یہ ایک بہت بڑی خدمت ہے انے والے وقت میں لوگ اس بات کو سمجھیں گے ابھی شاید نہ سمجھیں.
Thanks for Loving & Appreciation.
JazakAllah Brother.
❤❤❤❤❤
this lecture needs english subtitles for greater good ❤
Thank you for your suggestion. We understand the challenges posed by Ahmad Javaid Sahib's sophisticated Urdu, and we have already provided subtitles for the key parts of our over three-minute long trailer. You can find these subtitles in both the trailer and the shorts/reels of this podcast. Translating philosophical content requires significant effort and attention to detail, which is why the translation of the trailer and shorts took considerable time and effort. We hope to have your support as we continue to work on translating this full podcast, as well as Ahmad Javaid Sahib's previous two sessions at OTS. Here are the links to those sessions:
Previous Podcast : ruclips.net/video/8dgEOxF1y44/видео.html
What Is Knowledge: ruclips.net/video/uFsX3E6SH1Q/видео.html
Your understanding and prayers for our strength to complete this task are greatly appreciated.
Plz add timeline
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bhot bhot bhout bhout...khushi hwe ...ki aap me phir ek bar ahmad javed shab ko gugtgoo ke liye bulaya ....allah pak aap ko salamat rakhe
Ameen, JazakAllah. Thanks for Your Appreciation.
Respected, Einstein Quote, Science without Religion is lame. Religion without science is Blind.
Love from Kashmir . I appreciate your efforts , however itni mushkil Urdu se sarr chakra Gaya . How badly I want to understand this treasure of a man ..I understand that it is difficult to translate the whole speech but it will be very helpful if the meaning of terms and words would be flashed on screen . Regards
Thankyou so much for your appreciation. Your feedback is valuable we'll definetly try to consider it.
The absurdity of materialist philosophy (a la Marx et. al): "We humans cannot pre-exist our cosmogonies or origin myths, or our stories or narratives, any more than a bee, at the purely biological level of life, can pre-exist its beehive." (Sylvia Wynter, on leaving Marxism)
bhai aik podcast es tarah banoo jis tarah sahil adeem vs atheist wala hai ...ahmad javaid sahb ka elm sai aap aesthetic question ka jawaab logoo tak pohcha saktai hai ki kis tarah aik atheist ko islam pohchaya jayai ....kaafi discussion dekhi hai mgr sir kai jawab aik nemat hogi...plz do that
Your suggestion is valuable, we'll definitely try to consider it.
A rigid Web of Fallacies made here...wow. 🙂
Schizophrenia ki symptoms explain Kar rhe chacha
@@Gulfraz_ 😄
@@Gulfraz_just a sneaky lizardy postmodernist thing.
I'll give you that, perhaps you used some of your remaining nerve cells.
Very disappointed, I was baited to this podcast because of the English subtitles in the intro- only to be left without English subtitles in the main podcast. Unfortunate- very misleading
Thank you for your suggestion. We understand the challenges posed by Ahmad Javaid Sahib's sophisticated Urdu, and we have already provided subtitles for the key parts of our over three-minute long trailer. You can find these subtitles in both the trailer and the shorts/reels of this podcast. Translating philosophical content requires significant effort and attention to detail, which is why the translation of the trailer and shorts took considerable time and effort. We hope to have your support as we continue to work on translating this full podcast, as well as Ahmad Javaid Sahib's previous two sessions at OTS. Here are the links to those sessions:
Previous Podcast : ruclips.net/video/8dgEOxF1y44/видео.html
What Is Knowledge: ruclips.net/video/uFsX3E6SH1Q/видео.html
Your understanding and prayers for our strength to complete this task are greatly appreciated.
Plz itni mushkil urdu mein ahmed javed sahaab baat kun krtay hain. Hamein samjh nahin aati
Sir please please 🙏 invite sahil adeem he is an intellectual ❤
Your opinion is valuable to us, we will try to act upon it,
Dear we should refrain from hero worship as much as possible. instead we should be appreciating what's being featured rather than getting exhausted on missing the figures we have been idealizing
Sahil adeem, indeed an "intellectual", gets featured, like other social media figures, on a dozen of different channels and podcasts, which is inarguably great.
Don't exhaust yourself on one figure. Listen to varying perspectives and opinions . There's hardly a figure in the Asiatic religio- academic landscape, the stature of sir Ahmad Javaid. So closely listen to him. Let a few channels be exclusive Thankyou
Lol sahil Adeem is Atheist in disguise lol just try to find the meaning of his adopted name Sahil Adeem.
اتنی مشکل اردو کیسے سمجھیں ۔کیا کریں
Hum aap ki mushkil samajhtay hain , humain bhi shuru mein Ahmad Javaid Sahab ki baaton ko samajhnay mein kafi mushkil hui thi. Magar waqt ke sath aur unki baaton ko baar baar sunnay se, hamari zuban aur samajh behtar honay lagi. Yeh sirf unki zuban nahi balkay unke paish kardah pechidah khayalat hain jo samajhnay mein waqt letay hain. Hum ne isey madd-e-nazar rakhtay huay trailer mein English subtitles bhi shamil kiye hain. Umeed hai ke yeh subtitles aap ke liye madadgaar saabit hon gain.
Aap aaqal ko fetrat ensaane kiun nae kehte
Allah nain hamain fetrat ensaane ko correct n in correct ke assessment ka salaheyyat de
Bhae sahib ka etna gehra falsfa he ke samamajh main nae aata
Koi gehra vehra nahin hai. Bechara totally confused aadmi hai. Punjabi mein kehte hein "satreya bhatreya gya".
stay at home plz, or jus write only...
Etne taareef toosisif
Ok. Lets see.
I am a philosopher and I can see this old fellow is talking too much non-sense. In the first part he talked about intellect. He described intellect and its limitations. He resorted to Kant's epistemology and several other western thinkers. I think he didn't understand Kant properly. He didn't put such limitations on mind and intellect. Kant proposed that we cannot know things in themselves but we can know only about phenomenon. In Western tradition, intellect is active and mind is more real than matter.
This fellow said mind have innate ideas. There is proof of such claim. Humans like other animals have certain instincts and sense and perceptual framework which is even not constant. He also stated that we have innate idea of oneness. This is again a false claim. There is no evidence to substantiate this claim. I think he has no understanding of anthropology and evolutionary psychology.
In the second part he talked about intellect through Quranic perspective. He proposed that definition of intellect that Quran provides "Intellect is ability to see things and through things symbolically". This logically entails human intellect is best in teleology. While there are several evidences proving that humans are very poor in teleology. We often assign biased views to symbols and causal relationships. There are even scientific papers on this.
The most non-sense thing he talked about is, people who don't believe in God are fool. I mean WTH. If you cannot prove a claim, you would say that other person is fool. In which intellectual tradition intellectual people do this. When you cannot substantiate your claim, call other person a fool. WOW.
I can go in details on various things he talked about which are non-sense. There are just flowery words, not philosophy. Is he even aware that in 20th century most of things he is talking about have been challenged and debunked.
Why Muslims thinkers have failed to evolve and why don''t they keep abreast with contemporary advancements? We haven't produced any intellectual in centuries.
Knowing history of philosophy does not means one knows how to philosophize.
Mr. Philosopher what is your research About philosophy if you have any . I guess you are just blind follower of Kant and other philosophers. Listen again Mr. Philosopher He Quoted someone else about a fool it's not his own conclusion.
@@MullBatoora-kf6cj My area of interest and research is phenomenology of time and mind. I haven't published my work as it is not finished.
Your guess is wrong. I am no follower of Kant. In fact I disagree with Kant's several propositions.
Please listen again at 1:00:18. He clearly stated several times that people who don't believe in God are fool. This is pathetic line of reasoning. If you can't prove your point, start abusing other person. When intellectually poor people fail to reason, they resort to violence. This old fellow is committing two fallacies in this talk. First is straw-man fallacy. He said things about intellect and disproved it. He either misrepresented or misunderstood the meaning of intellect.
Second is Ad hominem. Instead of disproving the argument(s) of people who don't believe in existence of God, he just calls them fool. This is quintessential example of Ad hominem fallacy.
@@babaali7050Mr Baba for you I listened to it again at 1:00:00 he Quoted Hazrat Essa " Khuda Ka munkir Ahmaq hota hai" and with honesty he dropped it to discuss more because it won't be philosophical now listened it again . I am sure you are listening with your atheist bias or you fail to understand his point maybe his difficult Urdu.
@@MullBatoora-kf6cj What is meaning of Quoting something and then using that quote as premise? He said, just few sentences later, that we will maintain and uphold what Isa said.
Why are you sure that I am atheist? How dared you say that I am atheist? Why did you stigmatize me as "atheist"?
Do you even know how unethical it is?
I have no problem in understanding his Urdu language at all. I am good at Urdu. You are assuming too much about me.
Stop doing personal attack on me. Talk of something with substance if you have any idea about philosophy, or better remain silent and stop defending something which you don't understand.
@@MullBatoora-kf6cj He said Chinese are subhumans:
English dictionary defines subhuman as: of a lower order of being than humans, less than human.
Now your scholar is also racist and supremacist who is also delusional that everyone who disagree with what he thinks is right, is wrong and even subhuman. WOW.
What a great scholar Pakistan has produced.
@1:06:20 "The Chinese are sub-human"! "How come? What do you mean by sub-human, janab?" "Well...they do eat pork, don't they?" This is logic of a kind I have yet to encounter. "Chinese are sub-human"! Really?
This is ignorance of the first order and very unfortunate coming from this otherwise informed man; it is either arrogance based on sheer ignorance of the Chinese tradition, metaphysical or otherwise, or ignorance based on sheer arrogance. Almost a century of atheistic communism has failed to completely kill the Taoist and Neo-Confucianist spirit in that major civilization of the world, a civilization that has long boasted and considered itself as the "center of the world", as "the middle kingdom" under the Heaven. Anybody who claims that either the authentic Chinese civilization, heir to Taoism, Confucianism and also Buddhism, is ignorant of the idea of God or of the Supreme Principle/ Ultimate Consciousness (the two poles, objective and subjective) just because Taoism and Confucianism/Neo-Confucianism do not use the same categories or the same language as the Abrahamic religions do to discuss those ultimate realities, or just because secular Western orientalists claim that Confucianist "humanism" is the same as modern Western atheistic humanism, is making a terribly faulty judgement, as our good speaker is also doing here in this lecture. Just a cursory look at the work of someone like Tu-Weiming, a contemporary neo-Confucian scholar, will reveal how wrong, if not arrogant, such pronouncements are: "the Chinese are sub-human!" For reference, try to read his work on the neo-Confucianist concept of "anthropocosmism". That alone should cure many of their intellectual malaise, of their bad cultural habit, that excite them to make such absurd claims like "the Chinese are sub-human!" Astaghfirullah!
Janab, Mohtaram: As has become your unfortunate wont, you never lose an opportunity to go by without passing a snide comment, expressing your unjustified contempt, and doing it rather casually, about and for everything Shia and Imami! This is very unfortunate, very unscholarly and unbecoming of you, really. It is obvious to any fair, informed and sane mind that the good part of the burden of preserving and enriching the Islamic intellectual traditions has fallen on the shoulders of the Shia thinkers, sages and saints ever since the invasion of the Mongol hordes in the Middle Ages. And you do so in the same video as you also praise giants like Mir Damad and Suharwardi as "the only original thinkers" and profusely cite none other than Mullah Sadra! Where else do you see robust traditional philosophy, integral theology and excellent traditional, sacred art being done, produced and taught if not in the main Shia lands of Islam today? It is not a coincidence that today, the very doyen of traditional Islamic philosophy, the only real master of traditional Islamic intellectualism itself, is none other than one called Seyyed Hossein Nasr, a Shia! The man has even been called 'the Fourth Teacher" by some in both the Sunni and Shia world. One would have thought that you had learned something from your mistakes after you did those scandalous videos on Gaza and Wilayat e Faqih in which you unjustly and clearly wrongly attacked Iran and the Shia views and practices. Difference (informed criticism) is one thing (and a good thing) but engaging in clearly misinformed, distorted and prejudicial polemic is quite another. I just hope you will pay some attention to this sorry habitual practice of yours next time. Thank you.
حضور آپ اتنے صاحب علم اتنے وسیع مطالعہ ، چیزوں کو ایسی بلندی سے دیکھنے اور خلاقی سے کھپانے والے یہاں آ کر آپ کو کیا ہو جاتا ہے؟۔ یعنی آپ کے خیال میں احمد جاوید کا یہ جملہ: "امامیہ کلام میں کمزور ہیں۔"یہ فقط اس وجہ سے ہے کہ وہ "امامیہ" ہیں؟؟ انا للہ وانا الیہ راجعون۔ چلیں چھوڑیے۔ یہ فرمائیے کہ اگر ایک شخص کی بالفرض یہ رائے ہے کہ امامیہ کلام میں کمزور ہیں۔ بلکہ کمزور کیا فرض کیا جاہل ہیں۔ تو وہ آخر کیونکر اپنی اس رائے کا اور کن لفظوں میں اظہار کرے؟؟ کیا ایسا کوئی حق آپ مانتے ہیں اس کے لئے؟ جہاں اتنی فرقہ وارانہ سطح پر اس کی نیت کو ٹارگٹ نہ کیا جائے؟ بلاشبہ آپ لاکھ کہیے کہ اس کی رائے جہالت پر مبنی ہے۔مثلا امامیہ کلام کے چیمپیئن ہیں۔ لیکن لازما اول وہلہ میں اس کا گریبان نیت چاک کردینا۔۔۔۔حضور بخدا یہ آپ کو تو زیبا نہیں۔ آخر یہ فرقہ واریت کیسی کوئی رذیل ترین چیز ہے کہ ادیان عالم کے ادب پہ بلا تفریق دسترس رکھنے والا سامنے والے کو یوں گاؤں کے مولوی کی بدویت سے متہم کردے۔
حضور حسین نصر ایک اچھے compiler اور ایڈیٹر سے زیادہ بھی کچھ ہے؟؟ اور آپ اس کو کیا تبرکا شیعہ مانتے ہیں؟ ہندو شیعہ ، عیسائی شیعہ۔۔۔۔ کیا کرکے کہیں؟ ان کے مشرب سے تو واقف ہی ہوں گے جناب۔ بات ہورہی ہے اوریجنل تھنکر کی ، اس کو ملحوظ رکھیے۔ اور صدرا کا نام آپ نے غلط لیا۔ کلام اور فلسفے کا خلط مبحث پیدا نہ کریں۔ اچھی بھلی سادہ سلیٹ تصویر کو آپ نے گنجلک بنادیا اور اوپر سے اپنا من پسند نتیجہ بھی نکال دیا۔
I am sorry, but you have missed the whole point. Read the comment again,
please. @@GlobalEnclosure35
خدا پہ یقین لیے کسی مذہب کی کوی ضرورت نہی ہے اور مسلمانوں میں عقل کی اہمیت پہ سب سے زیادہ زور دینے والے انسان ابو حنیفہ تہے یہاں تک کہ ابو حنیفہ کا لقب ہی امام اہل راے ہوگیا ابو حنیفہ نے عقل سے اجتہاد کرنے کے بہت سے اصول بہی بناے ابوحنیفہ ریزن یا عقل کے زریعے ایسے اجتہاد کرتے تہے کہ جس سے انسانوں کے مسائل حل ہوجائیں اور ان میں کسی بات پہ اختلاف نہ ہو ابوحنیفہ اجتہاد کرتے ہوے ظاہر کو بہی دیکہتے ہوے ایسطرح اجتہاد کرتے تہے کہ لوگ مشکل سے نکل آیں ابو حنیفہ کے اصول ہیں کہ اگر کوی حدیث قرآن ،سنت ،عقل، ظاہر کے خلاف ہو تو وہ حدیث صحیح نہی ہو گی ابوحنیفہ کا ایک اور اصول ہے عموم بلوی یعنی کسی حدیث کے صحیح ہونے کے لیے زروری ہے کہ اس حدیث کو بہت سارے انسانوں نے قبول کیا ہو اور اس حدیث کے کسی راوی یا متن پہ کوی تنقید بہی نہ ہوی ہو یہ سب کچہ ابو حنیفہ کے اصول کی سب سے مہشور کتاب میں ہیں جس کا نام ہے الفصول فی الاصول
Moolana uoonana awr ebne are ko khuda mante hain astaghfirullah
Molana sooner hain wahtalwajood ko mante hain ,astaghfirullah
اتني سنجیدہ موضوع میں کسی معمولی طنز ومزاح پر اتنے بھونڈی طرح ہنسنا بلکل ناگوار اور سطحی ہے
Ise ilm kehte hai 😆😆😆😆