i'm still a bit disappointed that this game didn't come with a "fuck this shit i'm out" ending option, which would've been suitable choice for the personality of the character
I believe that the personality at the beginning of the game - the impatient, no-nonsense Nicole did dislike staying in the place for a longer time and it creeped her out because subconsciously she did not want to remember. Coming back to the hotel, alone, with only memories that she gradually re-gained from each interaction brought out the repressed young Nicole with the trauma she forgot and haven't dealt with for a long time which made her unstable and lost in the end. To me, it makes sense.
Exactly, she might’ve been “of age” but this was still a man old enough to be her father who took advantage of a high schooler that was bullied and had almost no mentor figures in her life. It’s even implied she was insulted as unintelligent and this man was tutoring her. I could see him praising her as smart as a way to lovebomb her (referring to the manipulation tactic).
I kind of wished there was an ending in which, depending on how you talking to Irving, that Nicole could feel sympathetic to Rachel as she was only 16 and accepted that her father took advantage of her for his own selfish needs and her mother’s anger was misdirected, maybe even have to spell it out for Irving that her father wasn’t a great guy and that he used his beloved sister and would have left her when he got bored with her. Think of it as a ‘Revelation/Closure’ ending where they have to look the facts and Nicole decides to keep the hotel, but wants to refurbish it and a cutscene shows that she went to the cliff where she leaves a memorial plague for Rachel, saying it really wasn’t her fault. Just to kind of give her a different way of letting go of the pain and misery.
While an interesting idea, i think that would go against the games theme Which is the sins of the father (or in this case parents) haunting the child. And that some things cannot be recovered from, ever. Irving could never let go of his sisters death and threw his life away pursuing the truth, in short, it was too late for him, he no longer had anything left to live for. Nicole never recovered from her fathers betrayal and had to live with the shame of what transpired, only to find out both of her parents were disgusting horrible people, unable to cope with the discovery and either going insane or ending her life so she wouldnt live with the truth. its a very dark and hopeless tale with a dark and hopless ending where nobody is left unharmed which i feel suits it better.
That, actually makes alot of sence. We aren't our parents nor should we burden ourselves with their deeds. We have the power every second of our lives to choice what we want to show, give, and grief over. We don't have to forgive or forget, but we should always support ourselves. Maybe even showing respect and kindness can help others indirectly to make the pain fade, maybe not heal, but make progress.
I agree with you, except I think she should sell the hotel. With all the pain and horrible memories that are associated with it, I think it’s healthier to let it go. Nicole should also get some therapy because none of the endings showed anything form of healthy coping behaviors.
i hate how this actually tends to happen in real life. Not the whole horror game, but kids getting rap*d, groomed by pedos and people blame them. It was not an affair, it was a constant abuse that everyone blamed on the victim
Thank you, Gamersault, for making it clear that Leonard was a predator who preyed on a vulnerable and abused child, and was not the saint that the game's Nicole and EVEN Irving resolved him to be, though it must be said that both Irving and Nicole were children also at the time of Rachel's abuse and were thus traumatized and emotionally stunted and unable to see Leonard for the child predator he was. I've seen several playthroughs of this game having intending to buy it and was totally disgusted that the game presented him as being in a loving relationship with a child he groomed, instead of the pedophile he was.
I don’t agree with the game portraying Leonard as a good person. Because this game is from Nicole’s perspective, it’s a way to show how kids of said predator trying to comprehend their whole view on the family who they once loved and respected. She hated her father but there’s still something in her that cannot get rid of the love for him.
The problem isn't the both characters glorifying him. The problem is, it is the view of the authors and they feed it to the viewer the entirety of the game. There wasn't a single occasion in the game where the pedophilic behaviour of the father was questioned or argued against by another character, not even the victim itself was given a voice (although even if Rachel had a voice, the writers would've given her lines that just feeds further into their narrative of the "grown" girl seducing the old man and destroying his family by taking her life). If there had been at least one character geniuely arguing what everyone is, who is criticising this game, just one person saying "you're wrong, he groomed her, he r*ped her" then we can get to the stage where we go into character analysis and that what they say might be based on their story background. But in this case it isn't so we can't, they don't say what they say cause of their character but because of what the writers think. every single character reflects the writers views. Starting from the anti-choice sentiments to the coddling of pedophiles.
@@CalitmeDiondell They literally didn't portray him as abuser. Not a single time. There's not one instance where the topic pedophilia came up. Or I didn't understand what you said, your comment structure is confusing.
@@TheBlueLink3 People didn't know how to process the story, so they accused it of 'Normalising pedophilia'. Because some times it is easier to lash out than think things through.
I don't think it does at all, actually. The only thing is that it's a story about unreliable narrators, and we, the player, are watching a group of broken people lie, cheat, murder, enable, and obsess over the events. It's obvious that the only innocent person here is Rachel.
@@setheus Nicole was a child so she's not really guilty of anything except harboring resentment because from what she knew because of her mother, Rachel tore up her family. She was a child and didn't know better and therefore she can't be blamed for anything
Okay so the story is.... a 16 year old child was groomed and raped by a 40 year old man and his wife killed the victim of these assaults? And everyone blames the child that was taken advantage of by the full grown adult? And the game really doesn't seem to go into that very much? hmmm I might pass on this one.
Straight up her dad should’ve just known better than to cheat on his wife with a SIXTEEN YEAR OLD who isn’t even out of high school??????? And his wife should’ve known better than to literally kill somone
I will say Irving's voice actor did an outstanding job, like, Wait Irving I'll get a cup of coffee with you... On the way to see a Psychologist/Therapist (because you need it!!)
I have to admit I did have issues afterwards with the story’s narrative in regards to how it treated Rachel and Leonard’s “relationship”, but good lord while playing it it scared the absolute shit out of me. Not a good way to pass time on Christmas Eve.
"But the public called Leonard a pedophile!" The public thought that, but every single character we see acts like it was okay and that the main reason it was bad was that Leonard cheated. At best it comes off as "Leonard was a pedophile but a person, too!" At worst it comes off as "this kind of love shouldn't be forbidden and is beautiful like any other love." They chose a state where the age of consent was 16. They make sure to mention stuff like how mature Rachel was despite being a child. This game, at worst, is saying we need to be more sympathetic to pedophiles and age gaps." There are a million other less horrifying interpretations that could be the intended message, but this message does NOT WORK when you have limited characters and are echoing the same views over and over. So I'm going to hope that the issue with this game is entirely it's execution and not simply that the people who made it are disgusting.
As a victim of SA And grooming this portrayal the game makes of the father is so disgusting and triggering. I don’t understand what went through the writers heads. This is disturbing. Everyone in my abusers family turned on me. It’s not fair.
That’s exactly what the games portraying. Not the fact that they’re normalising sexual assault and manipulation but shedding light on what actually goes on and how victims are blamed and abusers get away with it .
@@maxterawesome1142 I accept this. Esp being a year later older and healed I can see this. I guess more so I had an issue with the RUclipsr I had watched at the time. Cannot remember who for the life of me though. But if memory is anywhere correct still, they were very onboard with the narrative if that makes sense. Becoming the monsters the game was talking about kinda deal.
@@maxterawesome1142 Still, it would have been better to add a voice of dissent, to show that all that blaming of the innocent victim was wrong. Without said voice of dissent this game feels more apologetic and at time glorifying towards the appalling crimes of a child predator, which is disgusting. So this game is at best trying and failing miserably to carry the message you described, and at worst an apology of grooming and child raping, so in any case this game is an absolute travesty that shouldn't have ever seen the light of day
R, thank you for pointing out the atrocious actions of Leonard, I honestly thought Irvin would talk about him in an objective way, and was disappointed when I heard he called Rachel's grooming "a love" Great job on this one! Very thorough and well presented ♡
It's almost like it happens in real life as well. If I could get a dime for every true crime story where someone abuses a child, his wife gets jealous of that child and then either kills both or only the victim I'd be rich.
I just realize something 😳 it’s just like the original sleeping beauty (not Disney)… well most of it Were they on about something?, was this like ahead of time?
@@greenangelynn5774 Actually, I think it's technically like a different version of Sleeping Beauty, but still old. I forget which one was the original, but dad thing wasn't first.
There are 4 things that would make me like this story more cause it feel 100% emotionally one sided. 1. Establish how Nicole feels about Rachel a little more. Even though she was 16 as well she would feel something intense towards her. 2. Have her figure out that Irving is the brother sooner to make a bigger emotional climax. It would lead to her and Irving arguing about how he wants her to solve the case of the girl who helped ruin my family. 3. Make it feel like Nicole wants to (or doesn't want to) solve the murder. Even though it shows she still loves her dad. It makes no sense for her to not feel any anger of being forced to solve the death of the girl her dad abandoned her for. I wish they made it more emotionally personal. 4. There is one thing that kinda ruined it for me. The whole monolog Irving went on about protecting his sister. He is older now and most likely his feelings about their relationship would have changed. So, why is he still so supportive? And he has to have possessed some form of sympathy towards Nicole so, why does he think this is fair to force her to help him solve the death of his sister?
@@EmmaElizabethvo agree completely with this comment. Honestly, I really did feel bad for Irving in a way because he was another victim of Leonards I feel. Leonard had full control of that situation, and yet he chose to essentially sacrifice his daughter. Irving was obviously unstable, and Leonard could’ve gotten help for him, but instead chose to indulge his dangerous delusions, and destroy his only daughter in the process. towards the end, Irving was another villain in my eyes, but I couldn’t help but feel some sympathy for him. In my opinion, the true victims of this game are Rachel and Nicole. Nicole was so traumatized that she blocked off entire parts of her childhood. What Irving and Leonard did was so so cruel. but I agree completely with your assessment. Leonard is one of the biggest monsters I’ve encountered in a video game and just made me sick. And I couldn’t figure out how he died exactly until I paid close attention in his bathroom and then figured out that he overdosed on pills. It wasn’t enough to ruin Rachel, her father, and her brother, but he also had to destroy his only daughter as well, and then gets to have a peaceful overdose. I don’t know if I’ve ever hated a video game, villain so much, especially as this felt so incredibly personal since that happens in real life. Just ugh.
I had so many questions after playing this game. 1. After playing and finding out what happened to Rachel, we can understand why Claire also wants Nicole to go back to the hotel and do an inspection and sell it. Claire talks in her letter about anger and guilt. After all these years, did she feel guilty about what she did to Rachel? Or in relation to the daughter? 2. About Irving... How long has he been at the Hotel? In our wanderings we discovered that Leonard's phone was cut off for calling the police multiple times. and Irving says he was with him at the end (or something like that). Did he influence the process of Leonard's death (or madness)? Was the room in the basement the creation of Leonard or Irving? 3. When Irving says goodbye to Nicole at the end of the game... we hear footsteps and wake up in the car. Until then, we have the impression that Irving committed su*c*d3 and that the footsteps are those of Rachel's ghost. But...could it be Irving manipulating us (once again)? Inducing us to commit the act? 4. On the other hand... At this part I managed to get to the door (blue or red, don't remember) that leads to the room where we see the snow boots (closer to the boiler room, I always get lost there), which supposed leads to an outside area. And Rachel's ghost caught up with me. Does she want her brother to 'stay' with her?
I feel sorry for everyone in the story. Regardless of the endings, I think Nicole killed herself. The weight of the attorcities both her parents did became too much and Irving only reawakened those demons that Nicole tried to forget and thus, chose to end it all. Erase the last bit of sinful blood from the walls of the hotel that is full of hate.
Can we just appreciate this man's voice acting too in addition to his amazing story telling skills that summarises the game in a way that it is entertaining
I absolutely hate how this game depicts Nicole's relationship with Leonard. That wasn't love. It wasn't a "forbidden relationship". He took advantage of a minor and the game was waaaay too nice about it.
I super appreciate you keeping it in perspective the entire time about how Rachel was hurt by these people. "Irving" makes you almost believe for a moment that it was a real love and you can almost forgive Leonard when he speaks about it, but no, he took advantage of a sad child and like you said, created a domino effect of ruined lives. Great video, though I think it you should have mentioned that Leonard in the main character's dream said "I love you Rachel" at the end of it, and that line just really stuck in my brain. (But that's my brain and not yours of course.) Just feels like that says a lot and it could be interpreted in so many ways...
"Sure, it might've been my dad's friend who was putting it to my 16 year old sister, but she was no longer crying about being called a retard anymore, so all's well that ends well, right? Also my swollen foot has stopped hurting ever since it turned necrotic, so I can go ahead and cancel the angioplasty."
I feel like this game flew under the radar. It wasn't a bad game. I only saw a couple let's players play it. I don't cry from psychological horror games very often but this game/story made me cry.
I agree, the story was so gripping and it conveyed a deep message for me personally. The beauty of it is that anyone can interpret the message differently
@@gamersault That’s the thing with psychological games, since it has to do with once mind/brain & everyone who play will be/are at a different time in their lives & “evolution” of their mind. & they all have experience different things in their lives, they understand & see things differently (…) in the game. Everyone doesn’t necessarily have a great understanding of the human psyche, so will get different things out of the game/story especially if/when it has something to do with psychology/mind stuff. It’s quite interesting 🤔🤗👍
This game is honestly disgusting, they blamed everything on Rachel and made Nicole's dad look like some kind of saint, like he was just misunderstood and that it was ok that he groomed and raped a child because "they were in love." This isnt love, this is taking advantage of a young girl who had her whole life ahead of her who was isolated from a majority of her friends and family
The worst thing about this game isn't even the story itself, which is horrible, but how they succeeded in what they wanted to do, people not realise what the writers are doing, glorifying pedophilia and victim blaming.
So much "you guys just don't get what the writers were going for and actually meant!" Reassurances that the writers know Leonard is bad and that we just misinterpreted it. It's crazy.
@jamesiron4010 yes, but the problem is that we don't get any of rachel's perspective, we only get the perspective of nicole and the groomers. And the latter is the problem. Without even a small and vague glimpse into rachel's perspective, we can only go off the assumption that she welp, as much as i don't wantbto say it, enjoyed it.
I feel like so many people misunderstood the reason why Rachel was blamed so heavily for what happened-- it wasnt because she actually deserved it, its because that was what often happened in cases like that. It was supposed to emphasize the gravity of just how wronged she was, between being groomed and being blamed and her death. Its meant to contrast with how the man, while still somewhat negatively viewed, had people defending him and viewing him as a romanticized version of himself. Its an incredibly unfair, sick dynamic that was portrayed to show just how wronged the victims really are-- even sometimes beyond death
I'd like to share the theory that Nicole set those mannequins up. Before they left the hotel after the murder, her mother asked her to go there and turn off the lights or sth. She set up the mannequins in the way she saw it happen, turned off the lights, and that's how she was able to somehow let it out and forget.
My personal version: Some points that could have made the story better: 1- Rachel and Nicole were very very close friends they grow up together at the hotel. The hotel was their playground. They were like sisters. They love each other deeply. 2-Rachel family is very strict and religious borderline fanatic-religious. Rachel was constantly punished by her father (who was a priest if I remember correctly) and mother. She was always afraid of them. Rachel saw Nicole's mom as her own and trusted her completely. 3- Nobody knew about the affair between the father and Rachel and her pregnancy! This should have been a secret for the player to uncover! 4- Rachel committed suicide at the hotel for unknown reasons. Burned herself. 5- Ten years later the father also commits suicide at the hotel in the attic for unknown reasons.
6-No need for Rachel's brother. He even said that he was 'raised to be forgotten'. Even Nicole did not remember him. So the setting is this: Nicole is trapped all alone in the hotel (where two people killed themselves) with no way to contact anybody. No phones. Nicole is pushed to face her demons all alone. The only tools she has are a flashlight , a Polaroid camera and a ghost-hunting microphone. The last two are part of her father paranormal equipment. Nicole uses the camera and the mic to capture paranormal events and find clues all over the hotel. While playing the game Nicole uncovers that: 1- Her father had a secret affair with Rachel. 2- Her father constructed a secret bedroom for Rachel (Rachel ghost?). 3- After Rachel death her father went loco and became obsessed with the paranormal and dark sects. Trying to atone for his sins he spend years doing paranormal experiments to communicate with Rachel. 4- The truth about Rachel suicide: Rachel learned that she was pregnant. A desperate Rachel went to Nicole's mom seeking guidance. The mom went loco learning about Rachel's affair with her husband. The mom pushed Rachel to commit suicide. Right after the incident Mom and daughter left the hotel for good. Nicole life was in complete despair. Even after ten years she never got over loosing her dear friend. 5- The truth about her father suicide: The father never knew that Rachel was pregnant when she died only Nicole's mom knew. Learning about her pregnancy push him to kill himself or maybe Rachel push him to do it like his wife did to her. 6- Apparitions of the Father and Rachel. Are they real or all in the mind of Nicole?
Last scene: Rachel ghost? standing in front of Nicole's car waiting for her to die so they can be together again. Or Rachel ghost? sitting beside Nicole in the car and guiding Nicole to kill herself.
I also feel like there were things in the game that didn’t make any sense either but now that I think about it, I guess they do like you know how in that one hotel room there’s like candles on the floor and a symbol carved into the door? I’m guessing Leonard did that to try to summon Rachels ghost. But I absolutely love your ideas. Instead they just romanticized What happened to poor Rachel and then Nicole got turned into a villain by Irving, which was bullshit because Nicole was a child herself above all else I hated Leonard so so much. I feel awful for poor Nicole and poor Rachel. Nicole was very traumatized to the point of suicide and Rachel was murdered and Irving was just bat shit crazy. But your version makes a game like so so much better.
Never expect the person cheated on to understand either of the cheaters, someone who does that is abnormal, because we see People who get angry at that as normal.
Fascinating story, but the idea that a 16 year old could consent to being in an affair with a 40 something year old is a bit antiquated, even if concent was 16 years old (being from Montana originally myself)
@@blakel9463 yes! That's such an old school thing to do, it happened all the time and are even several podcasts that deal with the fall out of it. Even if she had been older, he was a Healthcare worker charged with helping her with an illness and it's so predatory to think what he did.
@@MildredCady I believe that since he started tutoring her on her speech and reading. Thats how he got closer to her. Her family and his were all friends so he might have seen it as an opportunity to get her alone.
I don't think the writers think Rachel's relationship is "true love." Irving is delusional from grief, and probably has severe guilt from letting her sister groomed and assaulted.
This is too dark and too real for me. I left stunned for half day in my room after i finished the game . Adultery, manipulation, rage, etc.... its real horror at least for me.
I am really happy you decided to cover this game, I was really interested in what you had to say about it and you even gave me another perspective on Irving I hadn't stop to think about. Amazing work as usual!
I don’t think the hate to this game was deserved, the game shows what happens, nothing is being glorified. If anything it’s giving a sort of representation to actual situations like this. Everyone wants representation until it shows what actually happens, life isn’t rainbows and hugs, not everyone gets a happy ending. Death doesn’t discriminate, it kills both good and bad seeds
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it already, but I noticed something about Irving. It’s the way he talks about Rachel. It seems… romantic to me. And it would make sense. Flowers in the Attic and Crimson Peak both have a brother and sister stuck under an abusive, strict parent. They both desire for love, and find it in each other even if it is incestuous. I’m not saying that anything physically happened between Irving and Rachel since I don’t think there is evidence to support that, but I definitely think Irving had that type of love for Rachel with how he talked about her.
This is semi-unrelated, but I just head of this, and was interested in hearing your thoughts... Idk if you’ve ever heard of Rule Of Rose or not, but, would you ever consider doing a video on it?
As soon as her mom was projecting being glad about Rachel onto her daughter in the letter I was like oh definitely she did it. I thought she shoved her though ngl. Not a doubt in my mind at that point. Motive and justification kind of stuff. I wonder if that was intentional?
This game is literally about romanticising pedophilia, and blaming the victim of grooming. It's one of the most disgusting games out there and it didn't need blood and gore in it too.
This game really presses on the fact that you can get away with any damn thing depending on your status, influence, and who you know.. I love it, let’s continue to speak and bring traction on this so we can help put a stop to it irl💯🤝‼️
Wished Leonard would have helped her by being like a real father to her, instead of grooming her and using her. If he truly cared about Rachel, he would have treated her like second daughter, and not used her for his own sick desires.
This was such an intriguing story! Moreover you represented it in such a beautiful way that it looks like a movie. It is just saddening that there are some parents whose actions cause their children to suffer soo badly.
You know.. Irvin is an asshole, while I understand his motive for finding the truth, but went so far to lie to Nicole, forced her to to remember a memory she supresed as a kid, then try to claim it was their fault for not doing anything. Let's be honest the only ones here to blame are Lennard for taking advantage of Rachael and her leaening disability, Reverend for his strict rules, and Claire for taking her anger out on a young girl that has a learning disability and not the husband. Can I put Irvin at fault too? Not really because he was a kid, just like Rachel and Nicole being a kid and not fully being able to understand or grasp the situation at hand. But what's dumb is that after causing damage to Nicole mentally he decided to end his life vs confronting and giving Nicole comfort.
Played the game a few hours ago. Nice plot twist. Though the game stated clearly that this isn't a horror-genre game, it gave me the spook and I was sitting on the edge of my seat the whole freaking time.
There are two things that infuriate me. One is that a teenage girl being sexually assaulted and EVERY.SINGLE.ONE is blaming her and two Nicole participated into a anti abortion protest. People like her view women as nothing more than baby machines and use their influence on goverment in hope of forcing women to give birth at ALL costs. They only care about expending the human race and do not value or care about women. Their lives are absolutly useless to Nicole. As a woman herself, female lives should be above of everthing else to her, not the oposite.
Witing victims of sexual assault, rape, or grooming, is never going to be easy, and it shouldn't be. But everyone who has gone through something like this, even fictional characters who sit as avatars of those realities, deserve respect and sympathy. Not just from its audience, but from its writers. To write assault for gratuity, it's a disgusting call for attention, but it's usually followed by a catharsis, the perpetrator almost always suffers in the end. But this game went one step further, not through spectacle, but by defending the behalf of those who have made victims of children. There is no catharsis of violent revenge, no confrontation of dangerous ideas, there is only sympathy for the rapist. The victim is made a villain, a child who essentially had no choice, and is literally given no voice. This game is so much worse than people truly grasp.
So the police be didn't do a investigation that's crazy they could have figure out it was the wife. So sad tho especially for kid to express that (Nicole) and Rachel who got killed and her baby. Such a sadden story
I do have to admire one thing about this game. The writer(s) clearly took each person's narrative of what happened. (A Narrator Bias, in simple terms) While the whole topic is one of horror for a poor girl who was a victim. But the way they said how Irvin thought the relationship was a good one was because as a child and where he was coming from it was. However, as outsiders, the player sees it for what it is. A horrible situation where a girl was murdered for being groomed by a man who clearly wished to use her. It's very interesting storytelling but it really does suck that a character like Rachael was ruined by everyone she knew. And Nicole was just as brainwashed, by her dad and mother.
People are mad, but the game shows the point of view when Nicole and Irving were children. Even as adults, they had a hard time grasping the situation. Now for reality, this is why therapy is so important. They were kids that grew up with that same child like point of view. The game executed the plot very well. It was uncomfortable and disturbing
Beat it just now. Very interesting story but disappointed we didn't get to see the ghost or Rachel. Only like... two instances where doors shut. I mean, unless it was all hallucinations due to the guilt and trauma..... idk.
This is a very good game, I'm just sad that was not recognize as well as should be. And the first time I've saw a gameplay though the game I was really impressed because I was affraid of the Rachel's ghost and the finale shock me up, I was not expecting for that ending.
The game could have been a lot better. To make the story better Rachel and Nicole should have been very good and close friends. Learning that your mother killed your best friend has a lot more impact that learning that your mother killed some acquittance that you hated ten years ago. The other problem is that the story and Irving's plan depended way way way too much in coincidences. It could have incorporated better the supernatural elements in the story. Also, the obsession Irving had for Rachel and Nicole's dad relationship and obsession with her (a sixteen year old girl!) were creepy and borderline ridiculous.
sounds like the left hand wanted to do one thing meanwhile the right hand is going of doing its own thing, potential is there but the execution fails at every turn.
I find it crazy that alot of people find the game to be in bad taste because Racheal is never redeemed or recognized as the victim. Everyone in this family is crap and noones a hero and the victim is not saved and the story doesn't spoon-feed you a sour but sweet ending for Racheal. Everyone sucks. It's a Horror game, sometimes the ending sucks for everyone.
Thanks for the vid! Rachel was not guilty of anything but we also can't blame Nikole for hating her (and Nikole's father) since she is deeply traumatized and things like that require years and years of processing to look at it differently. They only ones to blame are Leonard and Irving because Irving have chosen to be part of it all as an adult, he lied to Nikole, did not let her go of this story which she was not responsible for and it's really messed up
What puzzles me is who set up the hockey room? Irving did all of the trickery to Nicole, yet he didn't know how Rachel died so technically the only person who knew she died by hockey stick was Claire, and I'm not sure she'd set up a room like that... Unless she did it as a way to confess her secret yet keep it hidden. But that makes no sense. And why did Claire leave such damning evidence in her car? Great game, but lacked so much potential. Thanks for this video!
I like how Rachel is the victim and all, but life is never fair. This story is just one of several, relationships do ruin many People. Wanna know what actually cause her death? The thing both innocent parties were put through, media covering affairs that always ends well right? Oh yeah look at how lady D's life is nowadays... It being exposed open like an ass being exposed to the sun, and finally the sense of making Claire worthless as a person because, oh I dont know, had a Daughter? This is basically the perfect storm to trigger a rage induced murder.
I think the main point IS that they are biased against Rachel. This is how society functions. The blame is rarely placed squarely on the actual perpetrator but the victim, especially if they don’t have the means to protect themselves. We see this constantly and it goes largely unaddressed. It is not the Johns arrested but the prostitute. Killers are treated with mercy they surely never offered their victims. It becomes a game of who can afford to lose the least. And, for the most part, those without social power, the young, feeble elderly, loners, poor, and the dead pay the whole bill. In a perfect world, this wouldn’t be the case. However, the structure of societies have an equilibrium that people are willing to do anything to maintain. That is why most communities side with who has the larger status or who is still alive. An unfortunate hypocrisy that only people outside the equation are able to pinpoint easily. That is why we have the saying that ‘familiarity breeds contempt.’ Regardless of ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ those in this game decided on the stories that they could live with. And when you have to live with Leonards, you adjust the story accordingly.
This game had so much potential. Leonard is garbage. Also figuring out that he just took a bunch of pills and committed suicide and then made it a point to re-traumatize his daughter. And listening to the people in this game talk about how Leonard and Rachel had this “love” story when in actuality, Rachel was a groomed and sexually abused child, and was taken advantage of in every way possible. When I saw the nude drawings in Leonards creepy ass Den, I wanted to vomit. I could honestly feel empathy for everyone, except for Leonard. What Nicole’s mother did was absolutely awful, but I can even understand her to an extent, but at the same time I can’t, because she beat a child to death, who was sexually preyed upon. Like I felt so so bad for Nicole and Rachel. Nicole finally starts to get over her trauma and then Leonard and Irving bring her back into that bullshit. Nicole was so traumatized that she straight up blocked out full ass parts of her childhood. And Irving, he just became a monster. But he was also groomed by Leonard. Leonard is one of the worst villains I’ve seen in a video game. Like , my husband and I played this together and the ending was so shocking, and I already knew that the ending wasn’t going to be good but it was a mercy kill at that point for Nicole. But the sheer evil of Leonard and Irving to do that. The ultimate victims here were Nicole and Rachel. Just the fact that Irving and Leonard got to take the easy way out infuriates me Like this game had so much potential and could’ve been so so cool but instead they did this shit. There’s parts of this game that lead to absolutely nothing like when you explore one of the hotel rooms and see a symbol carved and then candles on the floor like something was summoned. Like this game had so so much potential. Edit: after another,Playthru I realized that Leonard & Irvine were trying to essentially summon Rachel. And we don’t know if all the doors slamming shut at once was supernatural or if Nicole was just in shock and traumatized and hallucinating it. Just so much wasted potential. But at the end of the day after playing this, I was physically repulsed, and honestly just wish I could’ve gotten my money back. Like if they had not tried to sell it as a love story between Leonard and Rachel I could’ve dealt with that (maybe?? Doubtful with the way this game went) It would’ve been oh, there’s monsters in this world. But calling it an affair? He sexually abused and groomed a child, who had a learning disability , back in a time when people didn’t really know what that was. There was like so much potential wasted with this game. Ugh. And also, I can’t help but feel for Irving(not much after he becomes just as bad as Leonard’s gross ass)because it’s so obvious that Leonard, manipulated and abused him. But it’s unforgivable that Nicole was re- traumatized, and had to go through all of that. I don’t condone what Nicole‘s mother did by blaming and killing Rachel whatsoever. But I respect Nicole‘s mother for getting her the fuck away from Leonards harmful ass. Fuck you Leonard. Just fuck you. The victims in this game were Rachel and Nicole . Like with Nicole, you can understand that she was just a child, and was jealous of the attention Rachel was getting, and that Rachel was beautiful. You can understand and empathize with that. Instead, they twist it and Irving makes it out like Nicoles a horrible person, when in fact, she was a child. Like I said, the victims in this game are Rachel and Nicole. Irving was a victim until he decided to inflict the harm that he did, but Leonard caused so much harm, and it just pisses me off that he was able to just commit suicide with pills, instead of getting his face beaten in forever more.
I'm late but just wanna say one thing.. A lot of folks in these comments seemed to have missed the entire point of this game. I've heard about it and the bad rep it got, but when I listen to the story and how it's performed, these people were broken. The father is gross, but the glorifying thing isn't what people are saying it is. They're in diffrent forms of denial. Irving, who was happy his sister stopped crying. Nicole, only saw Rachael as "the other woman" and blocked out the obvious red flag, most likely due to her mother's bitterness. They were both kids when this happened, too. So mental issues on top of trauma and more mental issues is what I see going on here. And also, if you pay attention, the public didn't blame Rachael, they blamed the father, rightfully so. It was the wife and Nicole that were blaming. But, that's just my opinion..
I don't think Irving was real, they never showed his face, mom told dad what she did then ran away with daughter, dad was a predator and went really crazy by himself in the hotel. The end with her unaliving herself, makes me feel she was told by her mom or saw the body and deeply repressed it
This makes me sad that many men fall for this "being a knight and freeing the princess" emotion. They don't ever realise how twisted it seems from another perspective ,or how horrid this relationship would become... I don't wanna justify his actions. He is a crazy lunatic who should have thought of his actions
as much as this game is rachel, leonard, and nicole’s story, i feel like there’s another story. and it’s irving’s. in my opinion, he felt his life was only worth living so he could find out the truth of what really happened to his sister. hence why he ended his life at the end, his reason to keep living was now over with, giving him ‘no reason’.
This story, I think, does a fantastic job handling sexual abuse and trauma, and is one of the most well-constructed pieces of media about coping mechanisms out there. The thing confusing y'all in these comments is that it's a story told by unreliable narrators, and you're equating that to the story "excusing pedophilia" because it's not spoonfed to you. Have you ever heard about a murder and think, "jesus, what does the perpetrator's family think of them?" This is story is a spooky telling of what happens. Your love for someone as close as your parent can't disappear overnight, and when we love someone, we won't notice all the red flags, or when we do, we always give them the benefit of the doubt. But, as we play as Nicole, we're watching this huge, tangled, malignant mess start to collapse, we the audience are essentially yelling at the screen, "no, NO, all of this is wrong!!" And that's exactly why it's functioning so well. I'd say it's similar to the novel Lolita; it gets a bad rap because people don't understand that the protagonist isn't a Good Guy, and view their actions as the story "justifying them" because they are the Main Character. There are so many stories of families that insist on a member's innocence in a murder, even when the person is proven to clearly be the killer. If someone told you your parent just went and raped or murdered someone, you'd deny it, and when shown proof, you'd try to rationalize it or accuse the victim of instigating it somehow. Holding a family member accountable for reprehensible actions is really, truly difficult, especially if they were skilled at hiding things or manipulating, and takes years to recover from. Rachel Foster takes a look at that phenomenon, and tells a super engaging ghost-thriller with it. Of COURSE Nicole, who spent her childhood desperate for approval, wouldn't believe her parents- the ones she spent so long trying to prove herself to- could do things like this. Of COURSE Irving, who grew up in the shadow of his sister, would crumble and obsess about her disappearance, because when she wasn't there, the light (haha, holy joke) was blinding. While an ending where Nicole realizes everything, holds the memory of her parents accountable, and makes reparations to Rachel/her family would be cathartic, I don't think it would be accurate to her character, at least not in such a short amount of time. Stuff like that takes years, decades. All throughout the game we've seen Nicole use and experience both (major) types of trauma response, Fight or Flight. She demonstrated Fight when she got annoyed when she was interrupted doing things to hide herself (ghost-hunting instead of expressing worry or vulnerability), got mad at theories that make sense, argued and deflected when asked about something sensitive. She demonstrated Flight when she blacked out memories, hung up sensitive phone calls, excused loved one's actions, even trying to ditch the hotel within the first 20 minutes of being there. Her attempting suicide at the end is a final, perfect mix of both: an action that feels productive and meaningful, but is actually extreme self-violence to get herself away from the pain. I'd be really surprised of the writer didn't have some background or hobby in the psychology field (though believable character actions kinda just comes with the territory of writing), because the premise is cool, but the real marvel is in the toxic, self-destructive coping mechanisms slowly rotting away the characters' armor. I love this game.
Right I didn't see this as a glorification of pedophilia but as a real experience of you learning that your parents did terrible things that you could never see them doing. Though the part with the mom killing the girl because she blamed her that is questionable.... Edit= Rewatching the video I disliked what happened very much poor Rachel. I do kinda also feel bad for the brother the tone of his voice made it feel like he was also groomed and still to under developed to make full sense of everything it was were to hear.
I don’t dislike this game for “not spoon feeding” things to me. I dislike it because trying to portray grooming and abuse as “just love” is what is attempted, and it’s fcked.
So the father was Jimmy Saville? Never paid for his actions. The daughter just offs herself I stead of redeeming the girl. The brother doesn't help Rachel get justice. The fathers actions are never exposed. The wife got away with murder and they all blamed Rachel.
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i'm still a bit disappointed that this game didn't come with a "fuck this shit i'm out" ending option, which would've been suitable choice for the personality of the character
I believe that the personality at the beginning of the game - the impatient, no-nonsense Nicole did dislike staying in the place for a longer time and it creeped her out because subconsciously she did not want to remember.
Coming back to the hotel, alone, with only memories that she gradually re-gained from each interaction brought out the repressed young Nicole with the trauma she forgot and haven't dealt with for a long time which made her unstable and lost in the end.
To me, it makes sense.
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@Nook Small she was stuck in a building alone with her traumatic memories. Anyone would go crazy in that state
@@Eli.exe28Nah, it's always an option for healing and moving on...
This game is stupid for not giving that option too...
Rachel was absolutely groomed and the worst part is everyone blamed her.
Exactly, she might’ve been “of age” but this was still a man old enough to be her father who took advantage of a high schooler that was bullied and had almost no mentor figures in her life. It’s even implied she was insulted as unintelligent and this man was tutoring her. I could see him praising her as smart as a way to lovebomb her (referring to the manipulation tactic).
Agreed
As happens frequently in real life.
Totally agree. Even Nicole, her so called friend, blamed her. ADULTS blamed her. Everybody failed poor Rachel.
@@mjalbert5359 children are very impressionable. Nicole probably did it because of her family.
I kind of wished there was an ending in which, depending on how you talking to Irving, that Nicole could feel sympathetic to Rachel as she was only 16 and accepted that her father took advantage of her for his own selfish needs and her mother’s anger was misdirected, maybe even have to spell it out for Irving that her father wasn’t a great guy and that he used his beloved sister and would have left her when he got bored with her. Think of it as a ‘Revelation/Closure’ ending where they have to look the facts and Nicole decides to keep the hotel, but wants to refurbish it and a cutscene shows that she went to the cliff where she leaves a memorial plague for Rachel, saying it really wasn’t her fault.
Just to kind of give her a different way of letting go of the pain and misery.
While an interesting idea, i think that would go against the games theme
Which is the sins of the father (or in this case parents) haunting the child.
And that some things cannot be recovered from, ever.
Irving could never let go of his sisters death and threw his life away pursuing the truth, in short, it was too late for him, he no longer had anything left to live for.
Nicole never recovered from her fathers betrayal and had to live with the shame of what transpired, only to find out both of her parents were disgusting horrible people, unable to cope with the discovery and either going insane or ending her life so she wouldnt live with the truth.
its a very dark and hopeless tale with a dark and hopless ending where nobody is left unharmed which i feel suits it better.
That, actually makes alot of sence. We aren't our parents nor should we burden ourselves with their deeds. We have the power every second of our lives to choice what we want to show, give, and grief over. We don't have to forgive or forget, but we should always support ourselves. Maybe even showing respect and kindness can help others indirectly to make the pain fade, maybe not heal, but make progress.
I agree with you, except I think she should sell the hotel. With all the pain and horrible memories that are associated with it, I think it’s healthier to let it go. Nicole should also get some therapy because none of the endings showed anything form of healthy coping behaviors.
i hate how this actually tends to happen in real life. Not the whole horror game, but kids getting rap*d, groomed by pedos and people blame them. It was not an affair, it was a constant abuse that everyone blamed on the victim
Exactly until I heard she was sixteen I was expecting some late twenty something not a manipulated child
It's a sad reality. People still don't take it seriously. A predator will only get 5 years in prison when they should really get a life sentence.
It's disgusting and frustrating.
@@salazar556 anyone can change IF they want to
@@AedanBlackheart Once a pedo, always a pedo. A pedo doesn’t change and if you think they can you need serious mental evaluation😟
Thank you, Gamersault, for making it clear that Leonard was a predator who preyed on a vulnerable and abused child, and was not the saint that the game's Nicole and EVEN Irving resolved him to be, though it must be said that both Irving and Nicole were children also at the time of Rachel's abuse and were thus traumatized and emotionally stunted and unable to see Leonard for the child predator he was. I've seen several playthroughs of this game having intending to buy it and was totally disgusted that the game presented him as being in a loving relationship with a child he groomed, instead of the pedophile he was.
I don’t agree with the game portraying Leonard as a good person. Because this game is from Nicole’s perspective, it’s a way to show how kids of said predator trying to comprehend their whole view on the family who they once loved and respected. She hated her father but there’s still something in her that cannot get rid of the love for him.
Ummm no? The Game never portrayed that guy like nothing but an abuser
A r@pist/groomer for a father and an evil manipulative murderer for a mother. No wonder Nicole was screwed-up at the end.
The problem isn't the both characters glorifying him. The problem is, it is the view of the authors and they feed it to the viewer the entirety of the game. There wasn't a single occasion in the game where the pedophilic behaviour of the father was questioned or argued against by another character, not even the victim itself was given a voice (although even if Rachel had a voice, the writers would've given her lines that just feeds further into their narrative of the "grown" girl seducing the old man and destroying his family by taking her life). If there had been at least one character geniuely arguing what everyone is, who is criticising this game, just one person saying "you're wrong, he groomed her, he r*ped her" then we can get to the stage where we go into character analysis and that what they say might be based on their story background. But in this case it isn't so we can't, they don't say what they say cause of their character but because of what the writers think. every single character reflects the writers views. Starting from the anti-choice sentiments to the coddling of pedophiles.
@@CalitmeDiondell They literally didn't portray him as abuser. Not a single time. There's not one instance where the topic pedophilia came up. Or I didn't understand what you said, your comment structure is confusing.
All I remember about the game was how some folks rightfully criticized it for how it depicted sexual assault, the perpetrator and the victim poorly.
Yeah for real
How was it depicted poorly?
@@TheBlueLink3 People didn't know how to process the story, so they accused it of 'Normalising pedophilia'. Because some times it is easier to lash out than think things through.
I don't think it does at all, actually. The only thing is that it's a story about unreliable narrators, and we, the player, are watching a group of broken people lie, cheat, murder, enable, and obsess over the events. It's obvious that the only innocent person here is Rachel.
@@setheus Nicole was a child so she's not really guilty of anything except harboring resentment because from what she knew because of her mother, Rachel tore up her family. She was a child and didn't know better and therefore she can't be blamed for anything
Okay so the story is.... a 16 year old child was groomed and raped by a 40 year old man and his wife killed the victim of these assaults? And everyone blames the child that was taken advantage of by the full grown adult? And the game really doesn't seem to go into that very much? hmmm I might pass on this one.
Straight up her dad should’ve just known better than to cheat on his wife with a SIXTEEN YEAR OLD who isn’t even out of high school??????? And his wife should’ve known better than to literally kill somone
THIS! ALL OF THIS!
The theme is Sin of the Father, but it feels so incomplete.
It seems like the game goes into that a lot, with both parents being seen as truly awful and Rachel the true victim in all of this.
Living in bum fuck Wisconsin. This happens once a month.
I will say Irving's voice actor did an outstanding job, like, Wait Irving I'll get a cup of coffee with you... On the way to see a Psychologist/Therapist (because you need it!!)
Ooo, hi-five for that awesome comment
Nicole really was like: "I can excuse my dad being a p*do but i draw the line at someone telling me he was hallucinating/insane"
Right!! She’s a horrible person!!
Literally everyone else: “You can excuse being a p*do?”
Don’t worry, I got the reference.
I still think it's absolutely mental that Irving seriously blamed Nicole for the death of his sister in any way, and that she believed his bullshit.
I have to admit I did have issues afterwards with the story’s narrative in regards to how it treated Rachel and Leonard’s “relationship”, but good lord while playing it it scared the absolute shit out of me. Not a good way to pass time on Christmas Eve.
"But the public called Leonard a pedophile!" The public thought that, but every single character we see acts like it was okay and that the main reason it was bad was that Leonard cheated. At best it comes off as "Leonard was a pedophile but a person, too!" At worst it comes off as "this kind of love shouldn't be forbidden and is beautiful like any other love." They chose a state where the age of consent was 16. They make sure to mention stuff like how mature Rachel was despite being a child. This game, at worst, is saying we need to be more sympathetic to pedophiles and age gaps." There are a million other less horrifying interpretations that could be the intended message, but this message does NOT WORK when you have limited characters and are echoing the same views over and over. So I'm going to hope that the issue with this game is entirely it's execution and not simply that the people who made it are disgusting.
As a victim of SA And grooming this portrayal the game makes of the father is so disgusting and triggering. I don’t understand what went through the writers heads. This is disturbing. Everyone in my abusers family turned on me. It’s not fair.
That’s exactly what the games portraying. Not the fact that they’re normalising sexual assault and manipulation but shedding light on what actually goes on and how victims are blamed and abusers get away with it .
@@maxterawesome1142 I accept this. Esp being a year later older and healed I can see this. I guess more so I had an issue with the RUclipsr I had watched at the time. Cannot remember who for the life of me though. But if memory is anywhere correct still, they were very onboard with the narrative if that makes sense. Becoming the monsters the game was talking about kinda deal.
@@maxterawesome1142 Still, it would have been better to add a voice of dissent, to show that all that blaming of the innocent victim was wrong. Without said voice of dissent this game feels more apologetic and at time glorifying towards the appalling crimes of a child predator, which is disgusting. So this game is at best trying and failing miserably to carry the message you described, and at worst an apology of grooming and child raping, so in any case this game is an absolute travesty that shouldn't have ever seen the light of day
the director of this game is a guy in his 40s that try his best to look like a silver fox. Check his name out: Daniele Azara
@@maxterawesome1142 no lol
R, thank you for pointing out the atrocious actions of Leonard, I honestly thought Irvin would talk about him in an objective way, and was disappointed when I heard he called Rachel's grooming "a love"
Great job on this one! Very thorough and well presented ♡
See there's p3dos, then there's women jealous of the attention the child gets instead of enraged at the gross person...
It's almost like it happens in real life as well.
If I could get a dime for every true crime story where someone abuses a child, his wife gets jealous of that child and then either kills both or only the victim I'd be rich.
@@Nekoszowa I'd try damn hard to be poor, if the forces of the universe worked that way... If only it was that simple
What a world we live in 😔
I just realize something 😳 it’s just like the original sleeping beauty (not Disney)… well most of it
Were they on about something?, was this like ahead of time?
@@greenangelynn5774 Actually, I think it's technically like a different version of Sleeping Beauty, but still old. I forget which one was the original, but dad thing wasn't first.
This one is just so sad, Rachel, Irving and Nicole had their lives ruined by the people who were supposed to keep them safe.
There are 4 things that would make me like this story more cause it feel 100% emotionally one sided.
1. Establish how Nicole feels about Rachel a little more. Even though she was 16 as well she would feel something intense towards her.
2. Have her figure out that Irving is the brother sooner to make a bigger emotional climax. It would lead to her and Irving arguing about how he wants her to solve the case of the girl who helped ruin my family.
3. Make it feel like Nicole wants to (or doesn't want to) solve the murder. Even though it shows she still loves her dad. It makes no sense for her to not feel any anger of being forced to solve the death of the girl her dad abandoned her for. I wish they made it more emotionally personal.
4. There is one thing that kinda ruined it for me. The whole monolog Irving went on about protecting his sister. He is older now and most likely his feelings about their relationship would have changed. So, why is he still so supportive? And he has to have possessed some form of sympathy towards Nicole so, why does he think this is fair to force her to help him solve the death of his sister?
@@EmmaElizabethvo agree completely with this comment. Honestly, I really did feel bad for Irving in a way because he was another victim of Leonards I feel. Leonard had full control of that situation, and yet he chose to essentially sacrifice his daughter. Irving was obviously unstable, and Leonard could’ve gotten help for him, but instead chose to indulge his dangerous delusions, and destroy his only daughter in the process. towards the end, Irving was another villain in my eyes, but I couldn’t help but feel some sympathy for him. In my opinion, the true victims of this game are Rachel and Nicole. Nicole was so traumatized that she blocked off entire parts of her childhood. What Irving and Leonard did was so so cruel. but I agree completely with your assessment. Leonard is one of the biggest monsters I’ve encountered in a video game and just made me sick. And I couldn’t figure out how he died exactly until I paid close attention in his bathroom and then figured out that he overdosed on pills. It wasn’t enough to ruin Rachel, her father, and her brother, but he also had to destroy his only daughter as well, and then gets to have a peaceful overdose. I don’t know if I’ve ever hated a video game, villain so much, especially as this felt so incredibly personal since that happens in real life. Just ugh.
I had so many questions after playing this game.
1. After playing and finding out what happened to Rachel, we can understand why Claire also wants Nicole to go back to the hotel and do an inspection and sell it. Claire talks in her letter about anger and guilt. After all these years, did she feel guilty about what she did to Rachel? Or in relation to the daughter?
2. About Irving... How long has he been at the Hotel? In our wanderings we discovered that Leonard's phone was cut off for calling the police multiple times. and Irving says he was with him at the end (or something like that). Did he influence the process of Leonard's death (or madness)? Was the room in the basement the creation of Leonard or Irving?
3. When Irving says goodbye to Nicole at the end of the game... we hear footsteps and wake up in the car. Until then, we have the impression that Irving committed su*c*d3 and that the footsteps are those of Rachel's ghost. But...could it be Irving manipulating us (once again)? Inducing us to commit the act?
4. On the other hand... At this part I managed to get to the door (blue or red, don't remember) that leads to the room where we see the snow boots (closer to the boiler room, I always get lost there), which supposed leads to an outside area. And Rachel's ghost caught up with me. Does she want her brother to 'stay' with her?
I feel sorry for everyone in the story. Regardless of the endings, I think Nicole killed herself. The weight of the attorcities both her parents did became too much and Irving only reawakened those demons that Nicole tried to forget and thus, chose to end it all. Erase the last bit of sinful blood from the walls of the hotel that is full of hate.
You feel sorry for Leonard?
Can we just appreciate this man's voice acting too in addition to his amazing story telling skills that summarises the game in a way that it is entertaining
I absolutely hate how this game depicts Nicole's relationship with Leonard. That wasn't love. It wasn't a "forbidden relationship". He took advantage of a minor and the game was waaaay too nice about it.
I super appreciate you keeping it in perspective the entire time about how Rachel was hurt by these people. "Irving" makes you almost believe for a moment that it was a real love and you can almost forgive Leonard when he speaks about it, but no, he took advantage of a sad child and like you said, created a domino effect of ruined lives.
Great video, though I think it you should have mentioned that Leonard in the main character's dream said "I love you Rachel" at the end of it, and that line just really stuck in my brain. (But that's my brain and not yours of course.) Just feels like that says a lot and it could be interpreted in so many ways...
"Sure, it might've been my dad's friend who was putting it to my 16 year old sister, but she was no longer crying about being called a retard anymore, so all's well that ends well, right? Also my swollen foot has stopped hurting ever since it turned necrotic, so I can go ahead and cancel the angioplasty."
is this ..... Irwing thought procces interpretation with .... comedy aspects ?
@@berimar5675 indeed it is
I feel like this game flew under the radar. It wasn't a bad game. I only saw a couple let's players play it. I don't cry from psychological horror games very often but this game/story made me cry.
I agree, the story was so gripping and it conveyed a deep message for me personally. The beauty of it is that anyone can interpret the message differently
I didnt know of this game at all. Glad i was marathoning this channel's videos
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That’s the thing with psychological games, since it has to do with once mind/brain & everyone who play will be/are at a different time in their lives & “evolution” of their mind. & they all have experience different things in their lives, they understand & see things differently (…) in the game. Everyone doesn’t necessarily have a great understanding of the human psyche, so will get different things out of the game/story especially if/when it has something to do with psychology/mind stuff.
It’s quite interesting 🤔🤗👍
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@@gamersault um what was the "deep message"
This game is honestly disgusting, they blamed everything on Rachel and made Nicole's dad look like some kind of saint, like he was just misunderstood and that it was ok that he groomed and raped a child because "they were in love." This isnt love, this is taking advantage of a young girl who had her whole life ahead of her who was isolated from a majority of her friends and family
The game mistly relied on untrustworthy characters warped by their own oasts and experiences and the game was feom their point of view
Poor Rachael. She deserved so much better
The worst thing about this game isn't even the story itself, which is horrible, but how they succeeded in what they wanted to do, people not realise what the writers are doing, glorifying pedophilia and victim blaming.
How is this game glorifying pedophilia?
So much "you guys just don't get what the writers were going for and actually meant!" Reassurances that the writers know Leonard is bad and that we just misinterpreted it. It's crazy.
If we’re using that logic .. then gta glorifies mass genocide.. Saw glorifies torture..
Anyone with common sense can point out the screwed up pedophilia.
@jamesiron4010 yes, but the problem is that we don't get any of rachel's perspective, we only get the perspective of nicole and the groomers. And the latter is the problem. Without even a small and vague glimpse into rachel's perspective, we can only go off the assumption that she welp, as much as i don't wantbto say it, enjoyed it.
I feel like so many people misunderstood the reason why Rachel was blamed so heavily for what happened-- it wasnt because she actually deserved it, its because that was what often happened in cases like that. It was supposed to emphasize the gravity of just how wronged she was, between being groomed and being blamed and her death. Its meant to contrast with how the man, while still somewhat negatively viewed, had people defending him and viewing him as a romanticized version of himself. Its an incredibly unfair, sick dynamic that was portrayed to show just how wronged the victims really are-- even sometimes beyond death
I'd like to share the theory that Nicole set those mannequins up. Before they left the hotel after the murder, her mother asked her to go there and turn off the lights or sth. She set up the mannequins in the way she saw it happen, turned off the lights, and that's how she was able to somehow let it out and forget.
My personal version:
Some points that could have made the story better:
1- Rachel and Nicole were very very close friends they grow up together at the hotel. The hotel was their playground.
They were like sisters. They love each other deeply.
2-Rachel family is very strict and religious borderline fanatic-religious. Rachel was constantly punished by her father (who was a priest if I remember correctly) and mother. She was always afraid of them. Rachel saw Nicole's mom as her own and trusted her completely.
3- Nobody knew about the affair between the father and Rachel and her pregnancy!
This should have been a secret for the player to uncover!
4- Rachel committed suicide at the hotel for unknown reasons. Burned herself.
5- Ten years later the father also commits suicide at the hotel in the attic for
unknown reasons.
6-No need for Rachel's brother. He even said that he was 'raised to be forgotten'. Even Nicole did not remember him.
So the setting is this: Nicole is trapped all alone in the hotel (where two people killed themselves) with no way to contact anybody. No phones. Nicole is pushed to face her demons all alone. The only tools she has are a flashlight , a Polaroid camera and a ghost-hunting microphone. The last two are part of her father paranormal equipment. Nicole uses the camera and the mic to capture paranormal events and find clues all over the hotel.
While playing the game Nicole uncovers that:
1- Her father had a secret affair with Rachel.
2- Her father constructed a secret bedroom for Rachel (Rachel ghost?).
3- After Rachel death her father went loco and became obsessed with the paranormal and dark sects.
Trying to atone for his sins he spend years doing paranormal experiments to
communicate with Rachel.
4- The truth about Rachel suicide:
Rachel learned that she was pregnant. A desperate Rachel went to Nicole's mom seeking guidance.
The mom went loco learning about Rachel's affair with her husband.
The mom pushed Rachel to commit suicide. Right after the incident Mom and daughter left the hotel for good.
Nicole life was in complete despair. Even after ten years she never got over loosing her dear friend.
5- The truth about her father suicide:
The father never knew that Rachel was pregnant when she died only Nicole's mom knew. Learning about her pregnancy push him to kill himself or maybe Rachel push him to do it like his wife did to her.
6- Apparitions of the Father and Rachel. Are they real or all in the mind of Nicole?
Last scene:
Rachel ghost? standing in front of Nicole's car waiting for her to die so they
can be together again.
Or Rachel ghost? sitting beside Nicole in the car and guiding Nicole to kill herself.
I also feel like there were things in the game that didn’t make any sense either but now that I think about it, I guess they do like you know how in that one hotel room there’s like candles on the floor and a symbol carved into the door? I’m guessing Leonard did that to try to summon Rachels ghost. But I absolutely love your ideas. Instead they just romanticized What happened to poor Rachel and then Nicole got turned into a villain by Irving, which was bullshit because Nicole was a child herself above all else I hated Leonard so so much. I feel awful for poor Nicole and poor Rachel. Nicole was very traumatized to the point of suicide and Rachel was murdered and Irving was just bat shit crazy.
But your version makes a game like so so much better.
I think every adult failed Rachel, Irving and Nichole equally.
This game was depressing, but this happens all the time in real life and this game is important because it sheds light on hard topics to discuss.
Whenever the letter got to "selling the hotel" i just thought about darkest dungeon and the ancestor writing to the heir to come back to the estate
Claire killed TWO children... Rachel and her baby. Just 😢😭 Rachel never had a chance, all the adults in her life totally failed her.
Never expect the person cheated on to understand either of the cheaters, someone who does that is abnormal, because we see People who get angry at that as normal.
Fascinating story, but the idea that a 16 year old could consent to being in an affair with a 40 something year old is a bit antiquated, even if concent was 16 years old (being from Montana originally myself)
I hate how everyone blames Rachel
@@blakel9463 yes! That's such an old school thing to do, it happened all the time and are even several podcasts that deal with the fall out of it. Even if she had been older, he was a Healthcare worker charged with helping her with an illness and it's so predatory to think what he did.
Who knows how long Leonard had been grooming Rachel? And yes, grooming of that nature does occur.
@@MildredCady I believe that since he started tutoring her on her speech and reading. Thats how he got closer to her. Her family and his were all friends so he might have seen it as an opportunity to get her alone.
I don't think the writers think Rachel's relationship is "true love." Irving is delusional from grief, and probably has severe guilt from letting her sister groomed and assaulted.
This is too dark and too real for me. I left stunned for half day in my room after i finished the game . Adultery, manipulation, rage, etc.... its real horror at least for me.
I am really happy you decided to cover this game, I was really interested in what you had to say about it and you even gave me another perspective on Irving I hadn't stop to think about. Amazing work as usual!
I've never seen such an intense story in a game like this.
Thank you for covering this, you did an amazing job, truly shaking game.
I don’t think the hate to this game was deserved, the game shows what happens, nothing is being glorified. If anything it’s giving a sort of representation to actual situations like this.
Everyone wants representation until it shows what actually happens, life isn’t rainbows and hugs, not everyone gets a happy ending. Death doesn’t discriminate, it kills both good and bad seeds
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it already, but I noticed something about Irving. It’s the way he talks about Rachel. It seems… romantic to me. And it would make sense. Flowers in the Attic and Crimson Peak both have a brother and sister stuck under an abusive, strict parent. They both desire for love, and find it in each other even if it is incestuous. I’m not saying that anything physically happened between Irving and Rachel since I don’t think there is evidence to support that, but I definitely think Irving had that type of love for Rachel with how he talked about her.
Love the narrative and how you manage to put all the hard work for us!
This is semi-unrelated, but I just head of this, and was interested in hearing your thoughts...
Idk if you’ve ever heard of Rule Of Rose or not, but, would you ever consider doing a video on it?
Very great game!!
I've played the game 3 times and I didn't make most of these story connections. Your eye for detail and research is amazing! Keep it up.
As soon as her mom was projecting being glad about Rachel onto her daughter in the letter I was like oh definitely she did it. I thought she shoved her though ngl.
Not a doubt in my mind at that point. Motive and justification kind of stuff.
I wonder if that was intentional?
Never heard of the game, but it sounds fun!
Me neither, and yeah it does
This game is literally about romanticising pedophilia, and blaming the victim of grooming. It's one of the most disgusting games out there and it didn't need blood and gore in it too.
What Remains of Edith Finch anybody? Or maybe Silent Hill: Shattered Memories. I'm getting beats of both games from this story explained video.
The person voicing Nicole kind of sounds like the person voicing Delilah in the game Firewatch.
This game really presses on the fact that you can get away with any damn thing depending on your status, influence, and who you know.. I love it, let’s continue to speak and bring traction on this so we can help put a stop to it irl💯🤝‼️
It's the same in the real world
How many have done terrible things and escaped justice dur to wralth, power and influence?
Wished Leonard would have helped her by being like a real father to her, instead of grooming her and using her.
If he truly cared about Rachel, he would have treated her like second daughter, and not used her for his own sick desires.
This was such an intriguing story!
Moreover you represented it in such a beautiful way that it looks like a movie.
It is just saddening that there are some parents whose actions cause their children to suffer soo badly.
You know.. Irvin is an asshole, while I understand his motive for finding the truth, but went so far to lie to Nicole, forced her to to remember a memory she supresed as a kid, then try to claim it was their fault for not doing anything.
Let's be honest the only ones here to blame are Lennard for taking advantage of Rachael and her leaening disability, Reverend for his strict rules, and Claire for taking her anger out on a young girl that has a learning disability and not the husband.
Can I put Irvin at fault too? Not really because he was a kid, just like Rachel and Nicole being a kid and not fully being able to understand or grasp the situation at hand.
But what's dumb is that after causing damage to Nicole mentally he decided to end his life vs confronting and giving Nicole comfort.
This game is absolutely disgusting and the devs should be ashamed of trying to justify and romanticize a predatory relationship.
Rest in peace, Rachel.
I kinda like stories with this narrative, it gets engaged over how much about the relationship and it's darkest secrets.
The Devs & Writers need to be locked up & looked at.
Or at least looked at.
Played the game a few hours ago. Nice plot twist. Though the game stated clearly that this isn't a horror-genre game, it gave me the spook and I was sitting on the edge of my seat the whole freaking time.
I know the game gets a lot of hate but I did like it,the voice acting was really great too.
I honestly really wished Nichole to stay alive in the ending though I fully understand how all of that could easily bring someone to insanity
What a fascinating story! I really wish I had a pc that I could game on. I was honestly crying at the end. A truly beautiful story
There are two things that infuriate me. One is that a teenage girl being sexually assaulted and EVERY.SINGLE.ONE is blaming her and two Nicole participated into a anti abortion protest. People like her view women as nothing more than baby machines and use their influence on goverment in hope of forcing women to give birth at ALL costs. They only care about expending the human race and do not value or care about women. Their lives are absolutly useless to Nicole. As a woman herself, female lives should be above of everthing else to her, not the oposite.
this game has a very spooky atmosphere
Witing victims of sexual assault, rape, or grooming, is never going to be easy, and it shouldn't be. But everyone who has gone through something like this, even fictional characters who sit as avatars of those realities, deserve respect and sympathy. Not just from its audience, but from its writers.
To write assault for gratuity, it's a disgusting call for attention, but it's usually followed by a catharsis, the perpetrator almost always suffers in the end. But this game went one step further, not through spectacle, but by defending the behalf of those who have made victims of children. There is no catharsis of violent revenge, no confrontation of dangerous ideas, there is only sympathy for the rapist. The victim is made a villain, a child who essentially had no choice, and is literally given no voice. This game is so much worse than people truly grasp.
This game was one step from great, instead it’s insulting garbage, because the developers clearly believe Leonard was good.
So the police be didn't do a investigation that's crazy they could have figure out it was the wife. So sad tho especially for kid to express that (Nicole) and Rachel who got killed and her baby. Such a sadden story
thank you for making this, I am terrified of horror games but I love knowing the story w/o any jump scares. Subscribing now!
Thanks for the video!
You're very welcome dude :)
I do have to admire one thing about this game. The writer(s) clearly took each person's narrative of what happened. (A Narrator Bias, in simple terms) While the whole topic is one of horror for a poor girl who was a victim. But the way they said how Irvin thought the relationship was a good one was because as a child and where he was coming from it was. However, as outsiders, the player sees it for what it is. A horrible situation where a girl was murdered for being groomed by a man who clearly wished to use her. It's very interesting storytelling but it really does suck that a character like Rachael was ruined by everyone she knew. And Nicole was just as brainwashed, by her dad and mother.
People are mad, but the game shows the point of view when Nicole and Irving were children. Even as adults, they had a hard time grasping the situation.
Now for reality, this is why therapy is so important. They were kids that grew up with that same child like point of view.
The game executed the plot very well.
It was uncomfortable and disturbing
Beat it just now. Very interesting story but disappointed we didn't get to see the ghost or Rachel. Only like... two instances where doors shut. I mean, unless it was all hallucinations due to the guilt and trauma..... idk.
This is a very good game, I'm just sad that was not recognize as well as should be.
And the first time I've saw a gameplay though the game I was really impressed because I was affraid of the Rachel's ghost and the finale shock me up, I was not expecting for that ending.
The game could have been a lot better.
To make the story better Rachel and Nicole should have been very good and close friends.
Learning that your mother killed your best friend has a lot more impact that learning
that your mother killed some acquittance that you hated ten years ago.
The other problem is that the story and Irving's plan depended way way way too much in coincidences.
It could have incorporated better the supernatural elements in the story.
Also, the obsession Irving had for Rachel and Nicole's dad relationship and
obsession with her (a sixteen year old girl!) were creepy and borderline ridiculous.
sounds like the left hand wanted to do one thing meanwhile the right hand is going of doing its own thing, potential is there but the execution fails at every turn.
I find it crazy that alot of people find the game to be in bad taste because Racheal is never redeemed or recognized as the victim. Everyone in this family is crap and noones a hero and the victim is not saved and the story doesn't spoon-feed you a sour but sweet ending for Racheal. Everyone sucks. It's a Horror game, sometimes the ending sucks for everyone.
Thanks for the vid! Rachel was not guilty of anything but we also can't blame Nikole for hating her (and Nikole's father) since she is deeply traumatized and things like that require years and years of processing to look at it differently. They only ones to blame are Leonard and Irving because Irving have chosen to be part of it all as an adult, he lied to Nikole, did not let her go of this story which she was not responsible for and it's really messed up
Her mom pretty much said she killed that girl in the note. How did she know she was thrown off the cliff?
What puzzles me is who set up the hockey room? Irving did all of the trickery to Nicole, yet he didn't know how Rachel died so technically the only person who knew she died by hockey stick was Claire, and I'm not sure she'd set up a room like that... Unless she did it as a way to confess her secret yet keep it hidden. But that makes no sense. And why did Claire leave such damning evidence in her car? Great game, but lacked so much potential. Thanks for this video!
Claire didn’t take her car with her the hockey stick was left in the trunk because they were coming back from Nicole’s hockey game
I was trying to figure out why the voice of Irving sounded so familiar.
He's Percy from Thomas the Tank Engine. I just--
That makes me feel emotions that shouldn't exist outside of an acid trip...
@@WolfBitesAndSleepyGraves I hope it is a feeling somewhat similar to this:
ruclips.net/video/7XpYdQ4fNJE/видео.html
Keep up the great work❤🤘🏼
Thanks 💯 will do
Also was this the game that you announced yesterday as the most tragic thought inducing game?
@@gamersault sorry *thought provoking video*
@@denzelsandoval2936 Yeah, this is the one, its story, characters, environment and soundtrack really spoke to me
@@gamersault just got done watching the video, damn this video was heavy
I like how Rachel is the victim and all, but life is never fair. This story is just one of several, relationships do ruin many People. Wanna know what actually cause her death? The thing both innocent parties were put through, media covering affairs that always ends well right? Oh yeah look at how lady D's life is nowadays... It being exposed open like an ass being exposed to the sun, and finally the sense of making Claire worthless as a person because, oh I dont know, had a Daughter?
This is basically the perfect storm to trigger a rage induced murder.
People are betrayed often, and manage not to kill anyone all the time.
I think the main point IS that they are biased against Rachel. This is how society functions. The blame is rarely placed squarely on the actual perpetrator but the victim, especially if they don’t have the means to protect themselves.
We see this constantly and it goes largely unaddressed. It is not the Johns arrested but the prostitute. Killers are treated with mercy they surely never offered their victims. It becomes a game of who can afford to lose the least. And, for the most part, those without social power, the young, feeble elderly, loners, poor, and the dead pay the whole bill.
In a perfect world, this wouldn’t be the case. However, the structure of societies have an equilibrium that people are willing to do anything to maintain. That is why most communities side with who has the larger status or who is still alive. An unfortunate hypocrisy that only people outside the equation are able to pinpoint easily. That is why we have the saying that ‘familiarity breeds contempt.’
Regardless of ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ those in this game decided on the stories that they could live with. And when you have to live with Leonards, you adjust the story accordingly.
I know it's a game but bothers me Nicole blamed Rachel, knowing she was a child who was most likely groomed.. smh
Yes finally the video about this amazing game!! Thank you so much! Greetings from Poland ♥️♥️ love uuuuu
This game had so much potential.
Leonard is garbage. Also figuring out that he just took a bunch of pills and committed suicide and then made it a point to re-traumatize his daughter. And listening to the people in this game talk about how Leonard and Rachel had this “love” story when in actuality, Rachel was a groomed and sexually abused child, and was taken advantage of in every way possible. When I saw the nude drawings in Leonards creepy ass Den, I wanted to vomit.
I could honestly feel empathy for everyone, except for Leonard. What Nicole’s mother did was absolutely awful, but I can even understand her to an extent, but at the same time I can’t, because she beat a child to death, who was sexually preyed upon.
Like I felt so so bad for Nicole and Rachel. Nicole finally starts to get over her trauma and then Leonard and Irving bring her back into that bullshit. Nicole was so traumatized that she straight up blocked out full ass parts of her childhood. And Irving, he just became a monster. But he was also groomed by Leonard. Leonard is one of the worst villains I’ve seen in a video game. Like , my husband and I played this together and the ending was so shocking, and I already knew that the ending wasn’t going to be good but it was a mercy kill at that point for Nicole. But the sheer evil of Leonard and Irving to do that.
The ultimate victims here were Nicole and Rachel. Just the fact that Irving and Leonard got to take the easy way out infuriates me Like this game had so much potential and could’ve been so so cool but instead they did this shit.
There’s parts of this game that lead to absolutely nothing like when you explore one of the hotel rooms and see a symbol carved and then candles on the floor like something was summoned. Like this game had so so much potential. Edit: after another,Playthru I realized that Leonard & Irvine were trying to essentially summon Rachel. And we don’t know if all the doors slamming shut at once was supernatural or if Nicole was just in shock and traumatized and hallucinating it. Just so much wasted potential.
But at the end of the day after playing this, I was physically repulsed, and honestly just wish I could’ve gotten my money back. Like if they had not tried to sell it as a love story between Leonard and Rachel I could’ve dealt with that (maybe?? Doubtful with the way this game went) It would’ve been oh, there’s monsters in this world. But calling it an affair? He sexually abused and groomed a child, who had a learning disability , back in a time when people didn’t really know what that was. There was like so much potential wasted with this game. Ugh.
And also, I can’t help but feel for Irving(not much after he becomes just as bad as Leonard’s gross ass)because it’s so obvious that Leonard, manipulated and abused him. But it’s unforgivable that Nicole was re- traumatized, and had to go through all of that. I don’t condone what Nicole‘s mother did by blaming and killing Rachel whatsoever. But I respect Nicole‘s mother for getting her the fuck away from Leonards harmful ass. Fuck you Leonard. Just fuck you. The victims in this game were Rachel and Nicole .
Like with Nicole, you can understand that she was just a child, and was jealous of the attention Rachel was getting, and that Rachel was beautiful. You can understand and empathize with that. Instead, they twist it and Irving makes it out like Nicoles a horrible person, when in fact, she was a child. Like I said, the victims in this game are Rachel and Nicole. Irving was a victim until he decided to inflict the harm that he did, but Leonard caused so much harm, and it just pisses me off that he was able to just commit suicide with pills, instead of getting his face beaten in forever more.
The endings were super weak. Thanks for helping me not waste $8 on this game
Man. How tragic. What a sad story.
It's always an option for healing and moving on...
This game is stupid for not giving that option too...
Oh damn. How have I never heard of this game before? This game is amazing. Thank you for such an amazing video
Thank you for another video R. Would you be okay with fanart??if yes I'll send it on Twitter.
Thanks and I would be honoured :)
I'm late but just wanna say one thing.. A lot of folks in these comments seemed to have missed the entire point of this game. I've heard about it and the bad rep it got, but when I listen to the story and how it's performed, these people were broken. The father is gross, but the glorifying thing isn't what people are saying it is. They're in diffrent forms of denial. Irving, who was happy his sister stopped crying. Nicole, only saw Rachael as "the other woman" and blocked out the obvious red flag, most likely due to her mother's bitterness. They were both kids when this happened, too. So mental issues on top of trauma and more mental issues is what I see going on here. And also, if you pay attention, the public didn't blame Rachael, they blamed the father, rightfully so. It was the wife and Nicole that were blaming. But, that's just my opinion..
Thank u
The animation looks really good
Question: is inscryption in your to do list?
This game is so gross and very dangerous. Saying these kinds of things are fine and then blaming the victim.
"She's so mature for her age" 🤢 *no*
I don't think Irving was real, they never showed his face, mom told dad what she did then ran away with daughter, dad was a predator and went really crazy by himself in the hotel. The end with her unaliving herself, makes me feel she was told by her mom or saw the body and deeply repressed it
This makes me sad that many men fall for this "being a knight and freeing the princess" emotion.
They don't ever realise how twisted it seems from another perspective ,or how horrid this relationship would become...
I don't wanna justify his actions. He is a crazy lunatic who should have thought of his actions
as much as this game is rachel, leonard, and nicole’s story, i feel like there’s another story. and it’s irving’s. in my opinion, he felt his life was only worth living so he could find out the truth of what really happened to his sister. hence why he ended his life at the end, his reason to keep living was now over with, giving him ‘no reason’.
Man that was heavy
A few days ago I played “Happy Game” so I think that it can be an interesting story. Maybe that be a good video explained 😊🤙🏻
This story, I think, does a fantastic job handling sexual abuse and trauma, and is one of the most well-constructed pieces of media about coping mechanisms out there.
The thing confusing y'all in these comments is that it's a story told by unreliable narrators, and you're equating that to the story "excusing pedophilia" because it's not spoonfed to you.
Have you ever heard about a murder and think, "jesus, what does the perpetrator's family think of them?" This is story is a spooky telling of what happens. Your love for someone as close as your parent can't disappear overnight, and when we love someone, we won't notice all the red flags, or when we do, we always give them the benefit of the doubt.
But, as we play as Nicole, we're watching this huge, tangled, malignant mess start to collapse, we the audience are essentially yelling at the screen, "no, NO, all of this is wrong!!" And that's exactly why it's functioning so well. I'd say it's similar to the novel Lolita; it gets a bad rap because people don't understand that the protagonist isn't a Good Guy, and view their actions as the story "justifying them" because they are the Main Character.
There are so many stories of families that insist on a member's innocence in a murder, even when the person is proven to clearly be the killer. If someone told you your parent just went and raped or murdered someone, you'd deny it, and when shown proof, you'd try to rationalize it or accuse the victim of instigating it somehow. Holding a family member accountable for reprehensible actions is really, truly difficult, especially if they were skilled at hiding things or manipulating, and takes years to recover from. Rachel Foster takes a look at that phenomenon, and tells a super engaging ghost-thriller with it.
Of COURSE Nicole, who spent her childhood desperate for approval, wouldn't believe her parents- the ones she spent so long trying to prove herself to- could do things like this.
Of COURSE Irving, who grew up in the shadow of his sister, would crumble and obsess about her disappearance, because when she wasn't there, the light (haha, holy joke) was blinding.
While an ending where Nicole realizes everything, holds the memory of her parents accountable, and makes reparations to Rachel/her family would be cathartic, I don't think it would be accurate to her character, at least not in such a short amount of time. Stuff like that takes years, decades. All throughout the game we've seen Nicole use and experience both (major) types of trauma response, Fight or Flight.
She demonstrated Fight when she got annoyed when she was interrupted doing things to hide herself (ghost-hunting instead of expressing worry or vulnerability), got mad at theories that make sense, argued and deflected when asked about something sensitive.
She demonstrated Flight when she blacked out memories, hung up sensitive phone calls, excused loved one's actions, even trying to ditch the hotel within the first 20 minutes of being there. Her attempting suicide at the end is a final, perfect mix of both: an action that feels productive and meaningful, but is actually extreme self-violence to get herself away from the pain.
I'd be really surprised of the writer didn't have some background or hobby in the psychology field (though believable character actions kinda just comes with the territory of writing), because the premise is cool, but the real marvel is in the toxic, self-destructive coping mechanisms slowly rotting away the characters' armor. I love this game.
Right I didn't see this as a glorification of pedophilia but as a real experience of you learning that your parents did terrible things that you could never see them doing. Though the part with the mom killing the girl because she blamed her that is questionable....
Edit= Rewatching the video I disliked what happened very much poor Rachel. I do kinda also feel bad for the brother the tone of his voice made it feel like he was also groomed and still to under developed to make full sense of everything it was were to hear.
I don’t dislike this game for “not spoon feeding” things to me. I dislike it because trying to portray grooming and abuse as “just love” is what is attempted, and it’s fcked.
So the father was Jimmy Saville? Never paid for his actions. The daughter just offs herself I stead of redeeming the girl. The brother doesn't help Rachel get justice. The fathers actions are never exposed. The wife got away with murder and they all blamed Rachel.
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