Read the full first ride review of the 2023 Zero DSR/X at RevZilla Common Tread: bit.ly/ZeroDSRXFirstRide Watch the 1,000 mile off-road ride on the previous model Zero DSR Black Forest Edition: ruclips.net/video/K0GsTP3KC_U/видео.html
No fuel, no oil, no maintenance, no spark plugs, no chain, no clutch, no gears, no smoke, no noise. No air intake, no air filters, no engine damage from water, sand or dust, no oil filter, no fuel filter. On the trail or city, it can go about 200 miles, very comfortable, and amazing design. Charges on any outlet. The Bosch MSC seems to be great, specially on longer trips, it does a good job of helping safety. The off-road ABS only actuates over the front wheel. For the time being, I think it is very nice.
Just saw this bike in my orange dealer. 25k, 100 mile freeway range. Gas prices vs electric. As a motorcyclist being that quiet is asking for a problem in traffic. It’s bad enough people Can’t see us, now they can’t hear us. It looks great. Design is cool. But they have to sweeten the deal. Put the bags on for 25k and give me the quick charger as well. Throw in a jacket. We may have a deal. Until then I’ll keep my 160 hp Ducati enduro. With a 9 gallon gas tank and 250 mile range.
Great review Tucker thank you. I just bought a Zero DS with a charge tank. I opted for the 7.2kwh battery. That'll give me more storage underneath. The bike will weigh a hundred pounds less at 320 (plus the weight of the charge tank) versus 420 lb They're shipping it out of Boulder so I don't have it yet, later next week it should arrive. That'll mean I've got three Zeros. Two pure off-road older models and this one will be mostly for Street use. I ordered the Sondors Metacycle but got tired of waiting so pulled the trigger on this one.
@Neal Peters Awesome! I actually haven't ridden the standard DS model, only the DSR, but I've always been a fan. They're fun bikes. Hope you enjoy it 👍
@@ElectricCycleRiderIf you haven't checked it out there's a dealer called green-eyed motors in Frederick Colorado near Boulder that specializes in electric and hybrid vehicles. They have several new and used Zero motorcycles in stock and are a dealer for Energica and Kandi.
@@sk8moto in 2008-2012. They made both an X and a MX and if you add an e after either one that stands for extreme which has a perm motor more power more expensive. I bought both of them brand new a 2009 XE and a 2010 MXE. I built new batteries for them a couple years ago now they have more than twice the range they came with and the batteries are 15 lb lighter than the original. ruclips.net/video/LVt4ERyT220/видео.html
@@shredmas Got it, I remember those. They are not really "real" full size dirt bikes at 140 lbs. They are the predecessors to the SurRons and Cake bikes of today. Too bad Zero gave up on that idea.
Great review. Thanks for this. The rider position with the screen reminds me of riding my Suzuki Katana. Canyon mode is cool and the thing accelerates like a cheetah stung by a bee. Looks like they have nailed the package, just wish Zero would sell them again in Australia
Great review! I know sorting out the range and recharging rates are the predominant issues to tackle but once that is sorted out what do you think of pushing for an All Wheel Drive mode that could be added to the existing driving modes for assistance in problematic off-road sections that one might run into when out solo and far away from any help.
Ahhhhhhhh shiiiii……………..####!!!!! Last year I was at a motorcycle event. I tested the zero srf! That thing blew my mind. I talked to the exhibitor, saying I would love to see the sr in an offroad edition. He could barely hold his tongue and smiled “confirming” . I cannot wait to test this beaaaaast!! Thank you for the great vid!
Thanks for the DSR/X review. I would like the extra range compared to my DSR, and the extra hp would be nice. However the cost and extra 120 lbs are not so appealing. I would like to know if Zero has improved their helmet lock, which is unusable on my DSR. Also, is there a good handle on the rear fender for backing up the bike? The handle on my DSR is hard to get a good grip on.
I really hate that Alta didn't make it. Seems with multiple companies product development grows so much faster. Partly because of competion but mostly because of different ideas. 1 company adds something and the others have to come up with something to compare. Look how much Harley has developed since Indian came along. These bikes are really getting exciting now.
Great video Tucker. I have to go find your earlier on the DSX . Interested in how you managed charging on the BDR and I supposed you planned your route to accommodate the range limit and had longer lunch breaks to recharge at midday I guess.
@Michael Anderson Right on! Here is a link to the 1,000 miles video: ruclips.net/video/K0GsTP3KC_U/видео.html It was a massive trip and we condensed it into one "short" documentary. Honestly, we left out quite a lot of the logistics in sacrifice for this style of video but happy to answer any questions about it. I also wrote a big article in RevZilla Common Tread Journal about the trip. This gives some more insight in written form, if you're interested: www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/common-tread-journal-issue-two?sku_id=10130816
@@ElectricCycleRider OK, so I watched the video and left a comment there. I also read the article. I believe the video would have been much better had more of the info in the article been in it. I saw nothing in it though that would make me feel better about the bikes and read things that reinforced my misgivings. These bikes and I mean the Zeros specifically are just no ready for primetime. They do not appear to be capable of being your daily driver and all around vehicle. Can you do great things with them? Yes and no. There is a huge loss of freedom that comes with an electric motorcycle and if your free time or vacation time has any type of time constraints then keep on with gas. If your time is unlimited and you have no issues spending hours daily charging, limiting your speed and where you go then I guess it works. Ultimately I am still not decided in a firm way on either side. This is something that each individual is going to have to decide for themselves. Sadly the price of entry is prohibitive for most to be able to try and decide. I am willing to live with one for a month and see, but I don't see it happening. I live off grid in Arizona in Mohave county. My commute to the shop is 15 miles each way and only 3 of that is paved. The ride to town from the shop is 60 miles and the majority is rt66 so highway speeds. I can't see my life improving by spending more time in town waiting for the bike to charge. Willing to try, but extremely skeptical. Thanks to Tucker (I think thats the name) for the links and great job on the video quality. Still open minded, but nothing else has really changed. Haters refute my points or stfu fanbois
@@ElectricCycleRider thanks for the reply - I went and watch both past video in the DSR and saw at the start you planned quite extensively. I also saw you get turned around because of the bush fire - so Range and charging is possible but leaves not much room or margin for error. I will now have a look at the article in revzilla- Thanks Tucker
Sounds nice 😊 thanks for the review of this wonderful bike . I think I'll keep my 21 DSR 🏍 for the time being though . ❤️ it . 24 k. is a massive hike over my 15 k. of last yr.
Question about the "Rapid Charger" option; does this require TWO J1772 plugs to take advantage of 12-13kW of charging? Here in the Bay Area, some ChargePoint EVSE stations have dual side-by-side J plugs on one charger. But some are only single and the other plug is a bit far away to hog two at the same time. Just wondering. Thanks!
Battery capacity is 15.2 kWh. Don't buy their crap of calculating the "max capacity" using the fully charged voltage instead of nominal voltage, it just does not make any sense and their marketing department does only to push a higher number, because higher is better. Let's stop this crap, it's really stupid and prevents to do proper comparison. Energica has started to do the same, using max voltage to calculate battery capacity: it's idiotic. There is no thing as "max capacity", there is nominal capacity and that is what we should compare.
cool - curious as a bike for true adventure...fire roads / gravel one thing - like to know Mud, Baby Heads and some more difficult terrain - how the battery life would last in a little tougher condition? Cool concept for ADV..but how ADV can you go with electric - Say BDR's etc. thanks for the review!!!
Egregiously expensive and pay-to-play for features that exist on every bike, yet are locked until you pay them more... terrible business model that everyone despises in video/mobile games makes it's way to motos; averting what are/should be the benefits - 'cheaper to produce', 'cheaper to maintain', 'greater efficiency'... etc. This type of business is a step backwards, instead of taking a stride forward like it should be. Higher accessibility is what's needed to really make a difference.
I think its because they know they wont get much money from servicing these bikes in the same way they do from ice, so instead they are looking to replace that money with subscription based features. Its despicable practice imho, I would much rather they concentrated on developing better bikes or better manufacturing processes. We will all end up just renting cars and bikes etc if they have their way.
Actually, if you could rent a Zero for a couple of days, get your kicks out of the acceleration and turn it in before something breaks, that would be preferable to owning one. The “fast” thing is a novelty but it didn’t take me long to see the real world limitations of my 2015 SR.
Zero needs to fix the issues related to hot 105+ degree days. My 22 FX stops working, stops charging and throws lots of codes in hot days even while parked in shade and not driven.
@Life’s Adventures Interesting. I haven't experienced that but also haven't ridden their bikes in that type of heat. Sounds like brutal temps to be riding a motorcycle!
They are charging that price because it's the most they can get out of the volume they can produce. No point in dropping the price if you don't have more bikes to sell.
They simply cannot make enough bikes atm, until volume production really gets going prices will stay high, the town bikes are beginning to get to competitive prices but still way more expensive than ice .
That kind of what I mean. Demand is there I believe, you could make 20 or more bikes from one electric raptor or whatever they are, supply is the issue yet its not really because of lack of resources. So what is it holding these back?
@@yoda68zac11 combination of factors holding it back, supply chain issues, workforce maybe, production just not up to speed and it's a new product area so taking things slow whilst ironing out kinks etc and knowing that the demand is there so price almost doesnt matter. In time all this will change but it is taking too long imho. Dont under estimate the fact that there could well be a turn around and electric suddenly wont be attractive anymore and any company overly committed to it might suffer so they probably a bit cautious of spending too much ramping up production. I'll wait anyway, just make the decision that works for me which atm would be an old ice bike.
@@yoda68zac11 1 the lightning is built by Ford, Ford dosent make motorcycles. It has a 90 kwh battery. The live wire has a 15 kwh battery. That's enough for 6 bikes, not 20, and those are short range cafe racer type bikes. There is also more to economy of scale than raw materials, factory size, employee numbers and skill, ect all need to ramp up and that takes billions of dollars. Billions they are going to earn through the low volume high price stage of production.
Because you want the dirt, sand to piles up on the front of the wheels than you can stop faster. That's why. Nr1 lesson on the dirt/sand driving course. :)
I wonder how much they’ll charge owners to subscribe to get access to things already fitted to their bike. Appalling business model aimed at pulling dollars out of every owner.
Hey @Electric Cycle Rider, I'd like to ask you this directly since no one seems to have the balls to be straight forward. Do you fake compliments because you wanna maintain a good relationship since Zero allowed you to test their new stuff? "This DSRx has the 17.3kwh battery pack which is impressive" No, no it's not. It's pathetic to say the least. Energica has had 21.5kwh for years now and just came out with a new 22.5kwh. To be honest with you, even the 22.5kwh is small. That is not impressive. Much less Zero with their faulty Farasis cells and their Chinese onboard chargers. I ride with the world's biggest EV motorcycle owners group, SoCal Electric Motorcycles Owners Group, and we don't know you. But I suppose with this "Electric Cycle Rider" name, you should at least act like you know the market...? Why lie? The reality is, Zero made negative improvement since 2016. Their "engineers" are great a buying stuff from China and putting it together. They've disregarded customer feedback since their first motorcycle. They're disgustingly lazy, as you would remember from their attempt and quick give up on the ChaDeMo project. Once again, why lie? The DSR/x, the entire Zero line up and Zero itself are a disgrace to the EV community. There's absolutely 0 good to say about them. Please get it together and stop spreading misinformation on RUclips.
On top of that, there are multiple things you mentioned that could have been debunked with simple math but instead you chose to follow Zero's lies. "The new charge tank will bring the charging time down from 2 hours to 1 hour" that's after you even mentioned it's a 17.3kwh battery!!! Can you do math? 12kw charger to 17.3kwh battery, where the hell does 17.3/12=1???
@@skiwithgabe Man! Sounds like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning! Yeah, I rode the DSR/X and yeah, I think it's an impressive bike. Battery included. You're also entitled to your opinions, which you're clearly exercising here. By all means, you should voice your thoughts. I'm just not sure why you're so angry about it? Have you attacked all the other media outlets that also praised the DSR/X? I'm definitely not the only one on that trip that had a good time... I'm here to show off all the awesome electric dirt bikes and dual purpose bikes that are coming out. We're living in a great time to be riding 2 wheels and I suggest you go ride your bike and enjoy it. Hopefully it will improve your mood.
@@ElectricCycleRider He's clearly not angry, as he talked about multiple points. You have replied to exactly Zero of them, and only insulted him. That is telling everything we need to know.
"You can see right there on the screen it says off road." He says as the screen isn't in the shot. "I am getting better range than the previous model" He says after telling you there is a much bigger battery in the bike. I am open to electric bikes. I have not had an opportunity to ride one, but I have an open mind. My issue is with all these 'reviews'. You cannot give an hones review of anything having only taken a ride on it. First impressions? Yes absolutely. I believe that many riders have bad impressions of electric bikes because of all the fanboyism. They gush and preen so they get continued access. I learned nothing about this bike I couldn't from a press release or the website. I don't have anything against the creator, I have never seen any of the sites videos before, yet I knew how the video would go in the first few minutes. Why are we supposed to be impressed by the acceleration when that's how electric works? It isn't like they talked about the power curve or how they tweaked (if they have) the controller for the optimal power curve or anything like that. Again, I don't know the 'reviewer' (yeah quotes there because this is in no stretch of the imagination a review) and he might be great at it when he actually does a proper review. This is all just marketing hype to continue to have access to junkets and press events. Until reviewers in the media and the community actually act like what they claim to be, all we will get is the same video from different people ad nauseum. The few true reviews will be from those that bought them and have nothing to lose from the company. To the reviewer, my bad guy, I have nothing against you personally, this video was just the proverbial straw for me. I will watch some of your other content and post further. I will apologize if my comments were in error. I have no issues with being wrong and admitting it. I hope you take this as what it is, constructive criticism, though I will admit I could have stated things differently. Wish you well
Just like eveything else... We will Include a Shit Charging System, so Hopefully we can uPsell you the Charging System that SHould of been Included with the Rediculous Prices Payed...........
Oh then there's the heated grips wich are already installed on the bike but you gotta pay to unlock. Seriously live wire is almost 9k less and has fast charging included.
So there tech hasn't moved on in nearly 10 years and still no DC fast charging, this is very disappointing. ZERO is going to be the equivalent of the Nissan Leaf and give all EV bikes bad press due to sadly being the biggest player along with the worst stats Energica are doing it right
This could be compelling if not for Zero's horrible anti-right-to-repair and "in-app" purchases to "unlock" hardware and electronics already on the motorcycle. You're just transporting dead battery weight (among other things) around for no reason. Well... no reason except giving more money to Zero to let you use the things your motorcycle already has on it. I **REALLY* hope the hacker community makes it un-worthwhile for Zero to continue this asinine strategy. Zero is about as anti-consumer as you can get, which is too bad - I think they have something to offer the EV space. They just need to embrace a more consumer-centric strategy. A company that views their consumers as just ignorant dollar signs is a company I want nothing to do with on any level.
Too expensive, too small range, slow charging, cost of electricity too high now, pay extra to use features that are already on the bike. Yeah sure I'll buy 2.... IF I was and dumb enough lol.
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Read the full first ride review of the 2023 Zero DSR/X at RevZilla Common Tread: bit.ly/ZeroDSRXFirstRide
Watch the 1,000 mile off-road ride on the previous model Zero DSR Black Forest Edition: ruclips.net/video/K0GsTP3KC_U/видео.html
Thanks for riding with us Tucker!
@Tamer Abubakr Awesome to get out there with you, Tamer! Great job on the bike and hope to do some more riding with you in the future 👍
No fuel, no oil, no maintenance, no spark plugs, no chain, no clutch, no gears, no smoke, no noise. No air intake, no air filters, no engine damage from water, sand or dust, no oil filter, no fuel filter. On the trail or city, it can go about 200 miles, very comfortable, and amazing design. Charges on any outlet. The Bosch MSC seems to be great, specially on longer trips, it does a good job of helping safety. The off-road ABS only actuates over the front wheel. For the time being, I think it is very nice.
Been waiting awhile for the DSR/X ! Now all I gotta do is save money over a year or two to get one 😂
Just saw this bike in my orange dealer. 25k, 100 mile freeway range. Gas prices vs electric. As a motorcyclist being that quiet is asking for a problem in traffic. It’s bad enough people Can’t see us, now they can’t hear us. It looks great. Design is cool. But they have to sweeten the deal. Put the bags on for 25k and give me the quick charger as well. Throw in a jacket. We may have a deal. Until then I’ll keep my 160 hp Ducati enduro. With a 9 gallon gas tank and 250 mile range.
Fantastic video Tucker! When you hit the throttle, it seemed like that thing really picked up. So many cool electric things coming down the pipeline!
@MXG Thanks Ryan! So many cool new bikes. And yeah, this DSR/X is no slouch when you hit the throttle!
Great review Tucker thank you. I just bought a Zero DS with a charge tank. I opted for the 7.2kwh battery. That'll give me more storage underneath. The bike will weigh a hundred pounds less at 320 (plus the weight of the charge tank) versus 420 lb They're shipping it out of Boulder so I don't have it yet, later next week it should arrive. That'll mean I've got three Zeros. Two pure off-road older models and this one will be mostly for Street use. I ordered the Sondors Metacycle but got tired of waiting so pulled the trigger on this one.
@Neal Peters Awesome! I actually haven't ridden the standard DS model, only the DSR, but I've always been a fan. They're fun bikes. Hope you enjoy it 👍
@@ElectricCycleRiderIf you haven't checked it out there's a dealer called green-eyed motors in Frederick Colorado near Boulder that specializes in electric and hybrid vehicles. They have several new and used Zero motorcycles in stock and are a dealer for Energica and Kandi.
When did Zero make a pure off road bike? Are you referring to the dual sport FX?
@@sk8moto in 2008-2012. They made both an X and a MX and if you add an e after either one that stands for extreme which has a perm motor more power more expensive. I bought both of them brand new a 2009 XE and a 2010 MXE. I built new batteries for them a couple years ago now they have more than twice the range they came with and the batteries are 15 lb lighter than the original. ruclips.net/video/LVt4ERyT220/видео.html
@@shredmas Got it, I remember those. They are not really "real" full size dirt bikes at 140 lbs. They are the predecessors to the SurRons and Cake bikes of today. Too bad Zero gave up on that idea.
Great review. Thanks for this. The rider position with the screen reminds me of riding my Suzuki Katana. Canyon mode is cool and the thing accelerates like a cheetah stung by a bee. Looks like they have nailed the package, just wish Zero would sell them again in Australia
Great review! I know sorting out the range and recharging rates are the predominant issues to tackle but once that is sorted out what do you think of pushing for an All Wheel Drive mode that could be added to the existing driving modes for assistance in problematic off-road sections that one might run into when out solo and far away from any help.
Ahhhhhhhh shiiiii……………..####!!!!! Last year I was at a motorcycle event. I tested the zero srf! That thing blew my mind. I talked to the exhibitor, saying I would love to see the sr in an offroad edition. He could barely hold his tongue and smiled “confirming” . I cannot wait to test this beaaaaast!! Thank you for the great vid!
Thanks for the DSR/X review. I would like the extra range compared to my DSR, and the extra hp would be nice. However the cost and extra 120 lbs are not so appealing. I would like to know if Zero has improved their helmet lock, which is unusable on my DSR. Also, is there a good handle on the rear fender for backing up the bike? The handle on my DSR is hard to get a good grip on.
Wow that's impressive range I wonder if it is close to the figures
exciting. didnt even know this was coming out
Such a smooth bike! Looks like fun! 🤙🏼
So insane how the speedo would climb so fast when you grabbed a hand full. It definitely has some nuts.
@Farmer Fpv It scoots! For sure!
I am excited for this new great bike so I can pick up a older dsr for cheaper
@Zeke Rigg Not a bad perspective! The older DSR is still a great bike.
I really hate that Alta didn't make it. Seems with multiple companies product development grows so much faster. Partly because of competion but mostly because of different ideas. 1 company adds something and the others have to come up with something to compare. Look how much Harley has developed since Indian came along. These bikes are really getting exciting now.
Great video Tucker.
I have to go find your earlier on the DSX .
Interested in how you managed charging on the BDR and I supposed you planned your route to accommodate the range limit and had longer lunch breaks to recharge at midday I guess.
Great comment, I'm doing the same.
@Michael Anderson Right on! Here is a link to the 1,000 miles video: ruclips.net/video/K0GsTP3KC_U/видео.html
It was a massive trip and we condensed it into one "short" documentary. Honestly, we left out quite a lot of the logistics in sacrifice for this style of video but happy to answer any questions about it. I also wrote a big article in RevZilla Common Tread Journal about the trip. This gives some more insight in written form, if you're interested: www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/common-tread-journal-issue-two?sku_id=10130816
@@hardlife3844 Here is the link to the 1,000 miles trip: ruclips.net/video/K0GsTP3KC_U/видео.html
@@ElectricCycleRider OK, so I watched the video and left a comment there. I also read the article. I believe the video would have been much better had more of the info in the article been in it. I saw nothing in it though that would make me feel better about the bikes and read things that reinforced my misgivings. These bikes and I mean the Zeros specifically are just no ready for primetime. They do not appear to be capable of being your daily driver and all around vehicle. Can you do great things with them? Yes and no. There is a huge loss of freedom that comes with an electric motorcycle and if your free time or vacation time has any type of time constraints then keep on with gas. If your time is unlimited and you have no issues spending hours daily charging, limiting your speed and where you go then I guess it works. Ultimately I am still not decided in a firm way on either side. This is something that each individual is going to have to decide for themselves. Sadly the price of entry is prohibitive for most to be able to try and decide. I am willing to live with one for a month and see, but I don't see it happening. I live off grid in Arizona in Mohave county. My commute to the shop is 15 miles each way and only 3 of that is paved. The ride to town from the shop is 60 miles and the majority is rt66 so highway speeds. I can't see my life improving by spending more time in town waiting for the bike to charge. Willing to try, but extremely skeptical. Thanks to Tucker (I think thats the name) for the links and great job on the video quality. Still open minded, but nothing else has really changed. Haters refute my points or stfu fanbois
@@ElectricCycleRider thanks for the reply - I went and watch both past video in the DSR and saw at the start you planned quite extensively.
I also saw you get turned around because of the bush fire - so Range and charging is possible but leaves not much room or margin for error.
I will now have a look at the article in revzilla-
Thanks Tucker
I'm impressed by the range you mention, thanks for the video!
Sounds nice 😊 thanks for the review of this wonderful bike . I think I'll keep my 21 DSR 🏍 for the time being though . ❤️ it . 24 k. is a massive hike over my 15 k. of last yr.
Question about the "Rapid Charger" option; does this require TWO J1772 plugs to take advantage of 12-13kW of charging? Here in the Bay Area, some ChargePoint EVSE stations have dual side-by-side J plugs on one charger. But some are only single and the other plug is a bit far away to hog two at the same time. Just wondering. Thanks!
Battery capacity is 15.2 kWh. Don't buy their crap of calculating the "max capacity" using the fully charged voltage instead of nominal voltage, it just does not make any sense and their marketing department does only to push a higher number, because higher is better. Let's stop this crap, it's really stupid and prevents to do proper comparison. Energica has started to do the same, using max voltage to calculate battery capacity: it's idiotic. There is no thing as "max capacity", there is nominal capacity and that is what we should compare.
What stops you from packing a solar generator on this and riding forever?
Have you heard the buzz on the street legal Sur Ron, with near double the power? Real or Fake?
cool - curious as a bike for true adventure...fire roads / gravel one thing - like to know Mud, Baby Heads and some more difficult terrain - how the battery life would last in a little tougher condition? Cool concept for ADV..but how ADV can you go with electric - Say BDR's etc. thanks for the review!!!
Did see the other videos...looks solid...a little fragile....but cool..thanks!
You should compare it to the Energica electric ADV . It has DC fast charging standard.
Egregiously expensive and pay-to-play for features that exist on every bike, yet are locked until you pay them more... terrible business model that everyone despises in video/mobile games makes it's way to motos; averting what are/should be the benefits - 'cheaper to produce', 'cheaper to maintain', 'greater efficiency'... etc. This type of business is a step backwards, instead of taking a stride forward like it should be. Higher accessibility is what's needed to really make a difference.
I think its because they know they wont get much money from servicing these bikes in the same way they do from ice, so instead they are looking to replace that money with subscription based features.
Its despicable practice imho, I would much rather they concentrated on developing better bikes or better manufacturing processes.
We will all end up just renting cars and bikes etc if they have their way.
Actually, if you could rent a Zero for a couple of days, get your kicks out of the acceleration and turn it in before something breaks, that would be preferable to owning one. The “fast” thing is a novelty but it didn’t take me long to see the real world limitations of my 2015 SR.
Youre absolutely right. If the environment is so important. Makes these more palatable. Tax credit, some freebies.
Zero needs to fix the issues related to hot 105+ degree days. My 22 FX stops working, stops charging and throws lots of codes in hot days even while parked in shade and not driven.
@Life’s Adventures Interesting. I haven't experienced that but also haven't ridden their bikes in that type of heat. Sounds like brutal temps to be riding a motorcycle!
Excellent!
DSX next??
Very Nice
Wow that's expensive though. Seems odd that major manufacturers aren't making many electric bikes yet if they can sell them at that kind of money.
They are charging that price because it's the most they can get out of the volume they can produce.
No point in dropping the price if you don't have more bikes to sell.
They simply cannot make enough bikes atm, until volume production really gets going prices will stay high, the town bikes are beginning to get to competitive prices but still way more expensive than ice .
That kind of what I mean. Demand is there I believe, you could make 20 or more bikes from one electric raptor or whatever they are, supply is the issue yet its not really because of lack of resources. So what is it holding these back?
@@yoda68zac11 combination of factors holding it back, supply chain issues, workforce maybe, production just not up to speed and it's a new product area so taking things slow whilst ironing out kinks etc and knowing that the demand is there so price almost doesnt matter.
In time all this will change but it is taking too long imho.
Dont under estimate the fact that there could well be a turn around and electric suddenly wont be attractive anymore and any company overly committed to it might suffer so they probably a bit cautious of spending too much ramping up production.
I'll wait anyway, just make the decision that works for me which atm would be an old ice bike.
@@yoda68zac11 1 the lightning is built by Ford, Ford dosent make motorcycles. It has a 90 kwh battery. The live wire has a 15 kwh battery. That's enough for 6 bikes, not 20, and those are short range cafe racer type bikes.
There is also more to economy of scale than raw materials, factory size, employee numbers and skill, ect all need to ramp up and that takes billions of dollars. Billions they are going to earn through the low volume high price stage of production.
It has a key 🤯
I don't understand why abs is bad on off-road?
Because you want the dirt, sand to piles up on the front of the wheels than you can stop faster. That's why. Nr1 lesson on the dirt/sand driving course. :)
No DC fast charging is disappointing.
less than an hour with 2x j1772's that are free in a lot of places is pretty awesome
Even harley went chain drive for their pan America. Their is a reason no adv bikes have belt drives
I wonder how much they’ll charge owners to subscribe to get access to things already fitted to their bike. Appalling business model aimed at pulling dollars out of every owner.
Interesting, but seriously pricey!
Very pricey, but I'm getting one...in 5 years.
Heavy
27.590€.... what a joke
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Charger stopped working on my '16 fx....Will be about $800 to replace...other than that, great bike...see my channel.
Hey @Electric Cycle Rider, I'd like to ask you this directly since no one seems to have the balls to be straight forward. Do you fake compliments because you wanna maintain a good relationship since Zero allowed you to test their new stuff?
"This DSRx has the 17.3kwh battery pack which is impressive" No, no it's not. It's pathetic to say the least. Energica has had 21.5kwh for years now and just came out with a new 22.5kwh. To be honest with you, even the 22.5kwh is small. That is not impressive. Much less Zero with their faulty Farasis cells and their Chinese onboard chargers.
I ride with the world's biggest EV motorcycle owners group, SoCal Electric Motorcycles Owners Group, and we don't know you. But I suppose with this "Electric Cycle Rider" name, you should at least act like you know the market...? Why lie?
The reality is, Zero made negative improvement since 2016. Their "engineers" are great a buying stuff from China and putting it together. They've disregarded customer feedback since their first motorcycle. They're disgustingly lazy, as you would remember from their attempt and quick give up on the ChaDeMo project. Once again, why lie? The DSR/x, the entire Zero line up and Zero itself are a disgrace to the EV community. There's absolutely 0 good to say about them. Please get it together and stop spreading misinformation on RUclips.
On top of that, there are multiple things you mentioned that could have been debunked with simple math but instead you chose to follow Zero's lies. "The new charge tank will bring the charging time down from 2 hours to 1 hour" that's after you even mentioned it's a 17.3kwh battery!!! Can you do math? 12kw charger to 17.3kwh battery, where the hell does 17.3/12=1???
@@skiwithgabe Man! Sounds like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning! Yeah, I rode the DSR/X and yeah, I think it's an impressive bike. Battery included. You're also entitled to your opinions, which you're clearly exercising here. By all means, you should voice your thoughts. I'm just not sure why you're so angry about it? Have you attacked all the other media outlets that also praised the DSR/X? I'm definitely not the only one on that trip that had a good time...
I'm here to show off all the awesome electric dirt bikes and dual purpose bikes that are coming out. We're living in a great time to be riding 2 wheels and I suggest you go ride your bike and enjoy it. Hopefully it will improve your mood.
@@ElectricCycleRider He's clearly not angry, as he talked about multiple points. You have replied to exactly Zero of them, and only insulted him.
That is telling everything we need to know.
A shame the electricity is being shut off worldwide, rendering this bike an expensive boat anchor
"You can see right there on the screen it says off road." He says as the screen isn't in the shot. "I am getting better range than the previous model" He says after telling you there is a much bigger battery in the bike.
I am open to electric bikes. I have not had an opportunity to ride one, but I have an open mind. My issue is with all these 'reviews'. You cannot give an hones review of anything having only taken a ride on it. First impressions? Yes absolutely. I believe that many riders have bad impressions of electric bikes because of all the fanboyism. They gush and preen so they get continued access. I learned nothing about this bike I couldn't from a press release or the website. I don't have anything against the creator, I have never seen any of the sites videos before, yet I knew how the video would go in the first few minutes. Why are we supposed to be impressed by the acceleration when that's how electric works? It isn't like they talked about the power curve or how they tweaked (if they have) the controller for the optimal power curve or anything like that. Again, I don't know the 'reviewer' (yeah quotes there because this is in no stretch of the imagination a review) and he might be great at it when he actually does a proper review. This is all just marketing hype to continue to have access to junkets and press events. Until reviewers in the media and the community actually act like what they claim to be, all we will get is the same video from different people ad nauseum. The few true reviews will be from those that bought them and have nothing to lose from the company.
To the reviewer, my bad guy, I have nothing against you personally, this video was just the proverbial straw for me. I will watch some of your other content and post further. I will apologize if my comments were in error. I have no issues with being wrong and admitting it. I hope you take this as what it is, constructive criticism, though I will admit I could have stated things differently. Wish you well
Holy shit that's expensive!
Just like eveything else... We will Include a Shit Charging System, so Hopefully we can uPsell you the Charging System that SHould of been Included with the Rediculous Prices Payed...........
Oh then there's the heated grips wich are already installed on the bike but you gotta pay to unlock.
Seriously live wire is almost 9k less and has fast charging included.
So there tech hasn't moved on in nearly 10 years and still no DC fast charging, this is very disappointing.
ZERO is going to be the equivalent of the Nissan Leaf and give all EV bikes bad press due to sadly being the biggest player along with the worst stats
Energica are doing it right
Bk tire looks Tiny........
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@@SWTrailsAndWheels For Little People....... Like wheRe it Probably caMe FroM.......lol
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This could be compelling if not for Zero's horrible anti-right-to-repair and "in-app" purchases to "unlock" hardware and electronics already on the motorcycle. You're just transporting dead battery weight (among other things) around for no reason. Well... no reason except giving more money to Zero to let you use the things your motorcycle already has on it. I **REALLY* hope the hacker community makes it un-worthwhile for Zero to continue this asinine strategy.
Zero is about as anti-consumer as you can get, which is too bad - I think they have something to offer the EV space. They just need to embrace a more consumer-centric strategy. A company that views their consumers as just ignorant dollar signs is a company I want nothing to do with on any level.
This, will never buy a zero.
Yeah, let's hack the things , I bet some open source software would be better than zeros after a bit of time too.
Luckily they removed that DLC system. But it's still bad they even tried it.
Until you can charge em anywhere in 15 min They aren’t worth a crap
Just imagine buying a gas bike where the tank has to be replaced after every 500 refills .. and it costs half as much as the whole vehicle.
$25,000 for a bike with a range of about 150 miles per charge 🤔 no thanks. Maybe in 10 years they'll have the technology for better results.
Too expensive, too small range, slow charging, cost of electricity too high now, pay extra to use features that are already on the bike.
Yeah sure I'll buy 2....
IF I was and dumb enough lol.