Met Swapan sir here in Bengal recently. He's an eloquent person that matches his intellectual prowess. Wish to meet Prof Makarand as well. He seems so genuinely elegant yet has a calm charisma about him.
Very nice video. To be very frank and to hit the nail on the head, looking forward, whenever any host calls Saba Naqvi to any debate, wherever it might be (including virtual), please make sure that Dr. Anand Ranganathan is also invited. My humble opinion (one may disagree with this): Dr. Swapan Dasgupta and Dr. Makarand Paranjape are too good gentlemen not to call the shots, possibly because of their soft nature/persona, which is, most certainly, not the case with Dr. Anand Ranganathan. As a backup plan (Plan B), if Dr. Anand Ranganathan is tied up with other pressing commitments, please invite Advocate J. Sai Deepak and he will certainly create history!!! Jai Hind. Jai Bharat
I agree with you , she herself gets low and cheap in debates but assumes that she is some sort of class apart intellectual but in reality she herself has so much of hatred and prejudice to a point one can call her communal. Anand Ranganathan is a better match as he rips apart these khan market gang very nnicely.
more literary authors, poets and literary essayists should be invited, i feel, in lit fests...i do not quite understand why is it majorly journalists, film makers, politicians invited for discussions..where is the literature.poetry readings, discussions on our great poets, panel discussions related to poetry are hardly organised. I humbly suggest that the spectrum of invitees should be broadened n not just a selected few moving in a particular circle be invited year after year.
Saba Naqvi be like "Don't offend me, it's Republic Day". Jay Bheem! I hope she had read what BR Ambedkar has written about partition, Islam in general and his views on not using the word "secular" in the original preamble to the constitution.
And name calling and playing victim - no one mentioned about tukde tukde gang but she had to brought it. These left liberal do called intellectuals are like what we say and think is right and if they get different views they immediately switch to victim post 2014. Disgusting
it's hilarious that that after mocking left forever as intellectuals, people now want to call these two gentleman as "intellectualls" and others as not ...
@@vimaladeshmukh4017 I bet you are under 30 years of age and possibly under 25 ... Swapan Dasgupta is a journalist turned a pseudo politician now. Makarand studied English throughout graduation, PG, Doctorate ... Check their wiki pages, no mention of a historian AT ALL.. Even check their introduction in this same video, they are not called historians but what i told you. Now, go and check someone like Ram Guha' for any intro anywhere, always called a historian.
@@jaspreetmodi comparing to her..they are more rational, knowledgeable and have sense of history. She just play victimhood everywhere be it in these kind festival events or in news debate
@@vimaladeshmukh4017 Then you should blame the organizers of Jaipur if, as per you, all 3 participants played their role as they always have. They planned it this way only. BTW, if you notice the anchor was clearly helping Saba and also ... a 4th participant hadn't shown up.
We Need countless Personalities like Prof . Makarand paranjape on India's soil ... Rest there is no need , India Will prosper drastically in a very short time
It is wonderful to see superior intellectual presentations by the Right here as in general the Right is rising in India, not just in raw political power but also spiritual and intellectual horsepower whereas the Left is tired and dissipating, and while Sabha is not their best representative, she is a symbol of the bankruptcy of the Indian Left, cliched thinking and articulation, same old paradigms, and stilted thinking.
Sabha helps bring them down to Modi's level because these two are beyond comprehension for even Modi's own followers. She struck lightening me with her first comment asking them to use the word "Muslim".
@@brazenheart Suppose you are a poet and love your neighbour's or maid or whatever but can't say it aloud for obvious reasons. All your poems and dreams are actually about her. One day Saba comes and makes you say it out repeatedly. Oh No !
Ambedkar was definitely RW. He termed himself as an "impleccable enemy of the communists), plus he made sure that those following him converted to another Dharmic faith and not an Abrahamic one. His views on Islam similar to that of Savarkar will demean Indian Muslims of today. That's why no one knows it.
at 40:00 the moderator makes a charged opinion about Shaheen Bagh, when Paranjape begins to respond, the cretin interrupts and says, let's move out of shaheen bagh. what a waste of a conversation.
Prof Makrand is highly learned and full of patience and self restraint!! A section of young audience doesn't seem to have read history and learnt its lessons and is therefore cheering what Javed Akhtar says!!!
Saba Naqvi was a complete disaster. She made one good point about the Bombay / Calcutta presidencies, but was extremely condescending for the rest of the debate. Its interesting how often she resorted to ad hominem attacks on the other panelists while not answering the question. Makarand and Swapan especially came across as much more reasonable, calm, and dispassionate debaters.
A fact ,Saba grandfather first one from UP to demand Pakistan and but still they stayed in India after that. She is a Pakistani agent funded by Pakistan to spread communalism. Why everybody calls him and give me media coverage shame not those who is clapping.
The kind of hubris you need to possess and the kind of bubble you need to be a part of to call some of your ideological opponents 'cretins' without any measurable or tangible standard is amazing and quite reflective of why the Left in this country is a widely rejected joke at this point.
I love they way people call Kanchan Gupta as Kanchon da and Swapan Dasgupta as Shopon da. I am Kor da 😁 We need more eloquent intellectuals on the nationalist movement.
Baba saheb & many congress too wanted to have complete transfer of population & if it would have happened then we would have got rid of 90% problems & we would have progressed more as we would have got out of parasites.
It would have prevented 1971, which made Pakistan a very weak neighbour. So, it was necessary. Plus, by 2050, religion will be irrelevant. Philosophy will be viral.
To correct Saba Naqvi's perception: many of the novels of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee's (who was vilified by the left liberals as "communal" writer) had Muslim characters both female & male.
Those who heard about Jadu Nath Circar after reading Swapan Dasgupta then Ram Chandra Guha is very much justified in calling post 2014 Hindutwawadis illiterate.
Saba on one side has that muslim obsession and says that the hindu revival centers around muslim hatred and then also wants Ambedkar to be glorified... this shows her dumbness.. does she even know Ambedkar's opinion on muslims... oxymoron..
Ummmmm...... Well, in Swminarayana Shikshaptri, I wasn't able to find any caste based dialogue out of 230+ points. Yes, I don't like everything that is written in Shikhaptri but I read what is good for society.
The problem arises when some section of society does not identify with the local culture. This problem is at very high intensity in our neighborhood, sometime they identify with one culture like Saudi arabia and now a days with Turkey but never with local culture. Forget about neighborhood, wherever they ate whether are in US, UK etc enjoying the riches of that country still don't become citizens organically; they associate with their dream world.
At the risk of sounding presumptuous, I have to say that Saba does not fit this panel at all. Even if you mention NASA to her, she would give you a Hindu Muslim debate point there as well. She just cannot come out of that.
The moderator and Saba are way below the thinking level of the others. What a waste! Why even upload such a video? Rightly said .....Saba keeps shifting goal post. She will always claim she is from Lutyens, studied history at Stephen's. That is her claim to glory? Her father's name?
Why Saba Naqvi ji is asking the countering questions when the question of cutting of northeast comes during anti CAA protest. Calm down Saba ji. Leftists never condemn the morphing of Hindu symbols and do slogans about to break India during the protest.
I really don't understand who was the moderator here. Saba or the actual one? And thanks to real one I was able to find it out. After all she mentioned it so many times. And also didn't find Sba useful for the conversation. She made the discussion entirely political . Not only in this video but in many other discussions I have seen her playing different victim cards.
Swapna Das Gupta rightly believes in a culture of conversation but there's a strong possibility that the extremist elements in the extreme right of his party and the extremists in the left would always thwart it...
There are not extremists on the right side, its the figment of the imagination of the leftists to stop hindus from reacting towards the street violence monopolised by the izlamists.
Speaking about Hindus and Hindu culture has long been dubbed as right wing in our country by one dimensional narrative set by the leftists. Is it a crime for Hindus to further their cause ,specially when it is not targeted against anyone? Unfortunately, secularism has come to demean majority’s culture , their God and Goddesses ( see what is being said about Durga in JNU and great MF Hussain painting Hindu goddesses in naked form) Tilak on forehead by a Hindu is mocked at but skull cap is a symbol of pride and so on. If the Hindus have started showing the pride in their being Hindus, how does it harm anyone? People are afraid that Hindus may not become more united and organised . Every effort is made to divide them in castes. The Brahmins get specially targeted for reasons best known to those afraid of Hindus
In a Muslim country, 'right' and 'left' don't apply. But in the West and in India, it seems to. Another interesting point that applies only to India is, it is very 'right wing' to recall and take pride in pre-Islamic India. "If you leave out Islam and Muslim" you are 'right wing', possibly fascist", as per the Left in India !!!!
Shiekh Abdullah was Nehru's best friend. Farukh was Indira's best friend. Omar is RaGa's best friend. so minority appeasement policies continued unabated.
Met Swapan sir here in Bengal recently. He's an eloquent person that matches his intellectual prowess. Wish to meet Prof Makarand as well. He seems so genuinely elegant yet has a calm charisma about him.
Makarandji is such a gentleman
Saba if she reads Ambedkar's views on Islam would label him right winger.
She knows it but taqiya is what makes Islamists special.
Who invited Saba to such an excellent discussion?
She is not fit to participate even in a primary school debate much less debate at national level. Time to jettison her from all forums.
Saba Naqvi is so annoying!🥲
Always need a liberandu on the platform!!😂
If you invite her then you also need Jai Sai Deepak to totally shut her up once and for all
Very nice video. To be very frank and to hit the nail on the head, looking forward, whenever any host calls Saba Naqvi to any debate, wherever it might be (including virtual), please make sure that Dr. Anand Ranganathan is also invited.
My humble opinion (one may disagree with this): Dr. Swapan Dasgupta and Dr. Makarand Paranjape are too good gentlemen not to call the shots, possibly because of their soft nature/persona, which is, most certainly, not the case with Dr. Anand Ranganathan.
As a backup plan (Plan B), if Dr. Anand Ranganathan is tied up with other pressing commitments, please invite Advocate J. Sai Deepak and he will certainly create history!!!
Jai Hind. Jai Bharat
I agree with you , she herself gets low and cheap in debates but assumes that she is some sort of class apart intellectual but in reality she herself has so much of hatred and prejudice to a point one can call her communal. Anand Ranganathan is a better match as he rips apart these khan market gang very nnicely.
more literary authors, poets and literary essayists should be invited, i feel, in lit fests...i do not quite understand why is it majorly journalists, film makers, politicians invited for discussions..where is the literature.poetry readings, discussions on our great poets, panel discussions related to poetry are hardly organised. I humbly suggest that
the spectrum of invitees should be broadened n not just a selected few moving in a particular circle be invited year after year.
Saba Naqvi be like "Don't offend me, it's Republic Day". Jay Bheem!
I hope she had read what BR Ambedkar has written about partition, Islam in general and his views on not using the word "secular" in the original preamble to the constitution.
And name calling and playing victim - no one mentioned about tukde tukde gang but she had to brought it. These left liberal do called intellectuals are like what we say and think is right and if they get different views they immediately switch to victim post 2014. Disgusting
@@dhananjaybhatt54 classic. If you can't address the issue at hand, prevaricate and shift focus.
From when saba naqvi is known as intellectual!
it's hilarious that that after mocking left forever as intellectuals, people now want to call these two gentleman as "intellectualls" and others as not ...
@@jaspreetmodi she is journalist not historian
@@vimaladeshmukh4017 I bet you are under 30 years of age and possibly under 25 ... Swapan Dasgupta is a journalist turned a pseudo politician now. Makarand studied English throughout graduation, PG, Doctorate ... Check their wiki pages, no mention of a historian AT ALL.. Even check their introduction in this same video, they are not called historians but what i told you. Now, go and check someone like Ram Guha' for any intro anywhere, always called a historian.
@@jaspreetmodi comparing to her..they are more rational, knowledgeable and have sense of history. She just play victimhood everywhere be it in these kind festival events or in news debate
@@vimaladeshmukh4017 Then you should blame the organizers of Jaipur if, as per you, all 3 participants played their role as they always have. They planned it this way only.
BTW, if you notice the anchor was clearly helping Saba and also ... a 4th participant hadn't shown up.
Why Saba Is sitting in between two sensible persons
We Need countless Personalities like Prof . Makarand paranjape on India's soil ... Rest there is no need , India Will prosper drastically in a very short time
Saba Nakvi made this into a republic debate.
Also, for the first time the right wing seemed more civilised and intelligent than the left.
Narcissist playing victim 😂😂
Leftist and civilized debates......🤣🤣🤣
You listen to Swapan Dasgupta anytime... He's more civilized in speech than the likes of Rajdeep Sardesai
Patting yourself
Peaceful intellectual r same like there brother & sister.
It is wonderful to see superior intellectual presentations by the Right here as in general the Right is rising in India, not just in raw political power but also spiritual and intellectual horsepower whereas the Left is tired and dissipating, and while Sabha is not their best representative, she is a symbol of the bankruptcy of the Indian Left, cliched thinking and articulation, same old paradigms, and stilted thinking.
Saba is an Islamist, not,much different from Indian leftists & elite - morally debauched traitorous parasites
Saba is an Islamist, not,much different from Indian leftists & elite - morally debauched traitorous parasites
Saba is an Islamist, not much different from Indian leftists & elite - morally debauched traitorous parasites
Saba is an Islamist, not much different from Indian leftists & elite - morally debauched traitorous parasites
Saba is an Islamist, not much different from Indian leftists & elite - morally debauched traitorous parasites
finished watching. This could've been something that truly enriched the Indian intellectual landscape but Saba Naqvi cheapened the debate.
Saba is jihadi.
Saba is a great mismatch .... the intellect and knowledge of Swapan da and Makrand jee is beyond her comprehension.
Sabha helps bring them down to Modi's level because these two are beyond comprehension for even Modi's own followers. She struck lightening me with her first comment asking them to use the word "Muslim".
@@jaspreetmodi What's there to " Strike Lightening " with u ? 🤔🤔🤔
@@brazenheart Suppose you are a poet and love your neighbour's or maid or whatever but can't say it aloud for obvious reasons. All your poems and dreams are actually about her. One day Saba comes and makes you say it out repeatedly. Oh No !
@@jaspreetmodi What u been Smoking ???
@@brazenheart Your what what questions. Madrasi hai ?
Ambedkar was definitely RW. He termed himself as an "impleccable enemy of the communists), plus he made sure that those following him converted to another Dharmic faith and not an Abrahamic one. His views on Islam similar to that of Savarkar will demean Indian Muslims of today. That's why no one knows it.
at 40:00 the moderator makes a charged opinion about Shaheen Bagh, when Paranjape begins to respond, the cretin interrupts and says, let's move out of shaheen bagh. what a waste of a conversation.
Saba sounds so venomous !
She always spit venom and never seen her happy to hear India prosper.
Saba Naqvi thinking of herself as an intellectual is hilarious !
😂
Is Anchorji making question in understable language to all.HarHarMahadev
First thing Naqvi will say is “…….. I did history at St Stephens…” meaning I am a lootyens authority any subject!
Bah humbug!
Sqba Naqvi must question her people making 9 year old girls their wife's!
Prof Makrand is highly learned and full of patience and self restraint!!
A section of young audience doesn't seem to have read history and learnt its lessons and is therefore cheering what Javed Akhtar says!!!
Swapan Das Gupta is always on song.
12:31 how cruel she tried to demean her guest in a very subtle way
Good notice... 👍👍
JNU lady wants India to become like Afghanistan?
The more I hear sabhas interaction, she should have been asked to leave the dias
I am happy that JLF has brought forward the so called "Right" also in discussion. It is a good step.
Yeh In ki majboori hai
It is most unfortunate that we could not utilise these great minds for a harmonious living
9/11, 26/11 explains everything..We don't need debates to understand TERRORISTS
Ambedkar was once asked to accept ISLAM...What did he say?
All Muslims must read his answer
46:03 Touche' ! To be an intellectual in India, you should be born rich and studied in the Doon school and/or Eaton
Sabha Naqvi teach Muslims not to hate idolaters as preached in Quran , and reform her religion very fastly
Saba Naqvi needs to go to Akshardham Temple and embrace Hinduism.. Legally che must change her name to Savitri Narayan
Whats wrong if she embrace hinndusim her ancestors were hindus.
The moderator is very biased. She allows Saba to talk and does not allow others saying that we are diverging away from the topic.
The last question from the lady in audience was very pertinent. Why was this debate derailed by Hindu Muslim or BJP question by Naqvi
Saba Naqvi was a complete disaster. She made one good point about the Bombay / Calcutta presidencies, but was extremely condescending for the rest of the debate. Its interesting how often she resorted to ad hominem attacks on the other panelists while not answering the question. Makarand and Swapan especially came across as much more reasonable, calm, and dispassionate debaters.
A fact ,Saba grandfather first one from UP to demand Pakistan and but still they stayed in India after that. She is a Pakistani agent funded by Pakistan to spread communalism. Why everybody calls him and give me media coverage shame not those who is clapping.
The kind of hubris you need to possess and the kind of bubble you need to be a part of to call some of your ideological opponents 'cretins' without any measurable or tangible standard is amazing and quite reflective of why the Left in this country is a widely rejected joke at this point.
Saba Naqvi single handedly brought the level of discourse down to ther level of IQ 🤷🤷🤦🤦🤦
Why this Saba is invited between good intellectuals like Swapan Dasgupta and Makrand Paranjape 🤦🏻
Do not mess with eloquent hindutvaites.
Among we Hindus Muslims became Majority in many states like Kerela, West Bengal....Opposite in Pakistan no more Hindu left
Talk about higher firka, lower firka too. Don't only talk about castes.
Exactly the debate i want to see.
Makarand class...!;
What? Saba Naqvi wants to recreate Mughal harem for her employment?
Saba, as usual, tried to play the victim.
Waited for saba naqwi to do hindu muslaman of the debate
Shaheen Bagh is just not acceptable
Saba was about to vomit 🤮🤮. He almost cried 🤣🤣
Saba represent the moulavis
everyone was erudite except Saba. why was she invited? she added nothing and didn't seem to want to be there.
Saba talks like a typical hard-core Islamist.
Nice to hear opposing views and Saba as usual exposing herself
Stand for truth that will open platform for honest conversation
Inviting people like Saba to such important discussions makes it lame and conterproductive and like holding it at ransom.
See it this way ... "saba is the best they have to offer to the discussion"
Saba is the VERY FIRST to begin a shouting match.....and of course end it with a victim card......:)
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Swapn das Gupta is great
The level of conversation and the quality dropped significantly from the moment the Muslim angle was introduced into the debate.
What a shame to invite Saba she is trouble everywhere.
I love they way people call Kanchan Gupta as Kanchon da and Swapan Dasgupta as Shopon da.
I am Kor da 😁
We need more eloquent intellectuals on the nationalist movement.
Programme Hindi mein translate hona chahiye
When ever she has no point she starts making sabji mandi of victimhood .
There so many people but no one ask Saba about Ambedkar view of Islam and Muslim
Why is sabha always has this obsession with religious sentiments, she can never talk anything without bringing religion into this, very lousy lady
59:00 Don't fear for being politically incorrect. Politics is not a bad thing, guys doing politics are good or bad.
Justifying Shaheen College by Saba is shameless design
52:30 This is called appeasement politics. Although Modi has sent Chadar to Ajmer Dargah and also paid respect to Saint Xavier.
Baba saheb & many congress too wanted to have complete transfer of population & if it would have happened then we would have got rid of 90% problems & we would have progressed more as we would have got out of parasites.
It would have prevented 1971, which made Pakistan a very weak neighbour. So, it was necessary.
Plus, by 2050, religion will be irrelevant. Philosophy will be viral.
Saba is clueless
To correct Saba Naqvi's perception: many of the novels of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee's (who was vilified by the left liberals as "communal" writer) had Muslim characters both female & male.
Those who heard about Jadu Nath Circar after reading Swapan Dasgupta then Ram Chandra Guha is very much justified in calling post 2014 Hindutwawadis illiterate.
Waaaaaaah the power of veto was removed from 2014
Saba on one side has that muslim obsession and says that the hindu revival centers around muslim hatred and then also wants Ambedkar to be glorified... this shows her dumbness.. does she even know Ambedkar's opinion on muslims... oxymoron..
true to form -saba Naqvi and her bakvas repeated ad nauseum.-carry on cleo.
Intellectual Terrorism was seen here in debates...Saba Naqvi did best to do it!
Good dat dey showed d bugs clapping in d audience for Kudrati Biryani Bagh. Nw we r aware of them
Y did they call saba naqvi
Makrand Paranjpe is incorrect in asserting that the Shaheen Bagh women want another partition of India.
Ummmmm...... Well, in Swminarayana Shikshaptri, I wasn't able to find any caste based dialogue out of 230+ points. Yes, I don't like everything that is written in Shikhaptri but I read what is good for society.
The problem arises when some section of society does not identify with the local culture. This problem is at very high intensity in our neighborhood, sometime they identify with one culture like Saudi arabia and now a days with Turkey but never with local culture. Forget about neighborhood, wherever they ate whether are in US, UK etc enjoying the riches of that country still don't become citizens organically; they associate with their dream world.
Is Saba Nakvi okay, why is she looking at people so weird.
At the risk of sounding presumptuous, I have to say that Saba does not fit this panel at all. Even if you mention NASA to her, she would give you a Hindu Muslim debate point there as well. She just cannot come out of that.
Based right wingers vs lolberals.
Based on what?
This lady sabha should nevervbe included in such debates, she is not fit to be part of intellectual debates,
The moderator and Saba are way below the thinking level of the others. What a waste! Why even upload such a video? Rightly said .....Saba keeps shifting goal post. She will always claim she is from Lutyens, studied history at Stephen's. That is her claim to glory? Her father's name?
Yeh mahila brahmin shabd ka prayog karke ladva rhi he.
Differentiating Right and Left..... just transformed into narrow mindedness .....we have to discard it .
Saba Naqvi, you don't have any sensible point to make.
Who invited saba naqvi
Why Saba Naqvi ji is asking the countering questions when the question of cutting of northeast comes during anti CAA protest.
Calm down Saba ji. Leftists never condemn the morphing of Hindu symbols and do slogans about to break India during the protest.
I really don't understand who was the moderator here. Saba or the actual one? And thanks to real one I was able to find it out. After all she mentioned it so many times. And also didn't find Sba useful for the conversation. She made the discussion entirely political . Not only in this video but in many other discussions I have seen her playing different victim cards.
Swapna Das Gupta rightly believes in a culture of conversation but there's a strong possibility that the extremist elements in the extreme right of his party and the extremists in the left would always thwart it...
There are not extremists on the right side, its the figment of the imagination of the leftists to stop hindus from reacting towards the street violence monopolised by the izlamists.
Speaking about Hindus and Hindu culture has long been dubbed as right wing in our country by one dimensional narrative set by the leftists. Is it a crime for Hindus to further their cause ,specially when it is not targeted against anyone? Unfortunately, secularism has come to demean majority’s culture , their God and Goddesses ( see what is being said about Durga in JNU and great MF Hussain painting Hindu goddesses in naked form) Tilak on forehead by a Hindu is mocked at but skull cap is a symbol of pride and so on.
If the Hindus have started showing the pride in their being Hindus, how does it harm anyone?
People are afraid that Hindus may not become more united and organised . Every effort is made to divide them in castes. The Brahmins get specially targeted for reasons best known to those afraid of Hindus
Impatient, biased, crude and rude Saba as usual.
In a Muslim country, 'right' and 'left' don't apply. But in the West and in India, it seems to. Another interesting point that applies only to India is, it is very 'right wing' to recall and take pride in pre-Islamic India. "If you leave out Islam and Muslim" you are 'right wing', possibly fascist", as per the Left in India !!!!
The Left and Islamic view coincide in India !!!!
Saba Naqvi is the most aggressive of the Panelists in taking 'offence' and accusing Prof. Paranjepe of something he had not said.
Why saba naqvi is there, is there any information or any positivity will be there by her? We all know the answer, so why?
Better not to have Saba in such debates. She just adds howling and whinning and playing victim out of nowhere.
Cannot even pronounce the name of "Swapan" - should be ashamed being a host and Indian.
Saba Nakli lol
Shiekh Abdullah was Nehru's best friend. Farukh was Indira's best friend. Omar is RaGa's best friend. so minority appeasement policies continued unabated.
Ignores the reasons why nehruvian discourse sidelined hindutva when Muslim vote at 10% doesn't explain it
Saba read Ambedkar about Muslim