Moto Gymkhana Techniques Level 2: #2 The OTHER Secret of Moto Gymkhana
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- This video will change the way you think about low speed turning and motorcycle handling FOREVER! Are you ready?!
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Motorcycle riding is inherently dangerous. This video was filmed in a controlled environment with riders who have years of riding and teaching experience. Lexco Moto Gymkhana and all related personnel are not to be held responsible for any injury resulting from attempting these techniques.
Please wear safety gear, know your limits, know your motorcycle's limits, have fun, and always practice in a safe and controlled environment. 
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You’re welcome. Cheers, Bro 😎
I love going to a carpark and trying low speed control and trying to perfect slow turns. I noticed sometimes i can use tank at higher speed to almost bend the bike in direction of travel, but you have put it into words and now give me something to actually yry perfect by including the footpegs. Many 🙏 thanks 👍. I hope I can get into this gymkhano and get better
Thanks for watching. I wish you luck on your Gymkhana journey :)
At last! A clear explanation of what Clément the teacher from Anti PiloteDe Ligne Droite trying to explain but my french is not good enough to understand the technology behind this. thanks Alex.
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching. I’m glad I could help with clearing that up.
In an Enduro course, the instructor called this method
DISCO 🕺 hips. 😂
Lol!! I had never heard that one before! Well, as long as it gets the point across. Thanks for watching.
At last! A clear explanation of what our friends at Anti PiloteDe Ligne Droite were trying to explain. Thank you SO much!! I'm heading out to practice it this minute. You totally rock, Alex.
I’m glad I was able to clear things up. Thanks for watching. I appreciate the support :)
Thank you so much for sharing with us!
You are very welcome. Thank you for watching :)
Thank you very much well said!!! 🙏... almost two or 3 days in a row watching your videos and learned a lot so far so thanks again. Now i know alittle bit of self steering...this is similar to counter balancing correct as what others called it. But really like the standing demo. Much clearer.... and yeah has to be one system with our bike... i'm still new in the riding world... Just a year and i have honda CB650R (my first bike). Heavy for my size :) but learning little by little...now i'm very much amaze/fascinated by MG technqie and discipline...
I’m practicing with street rod 750, heavy bike but doing very well with it, keep it up 👍🏻
Yes, the difference between Self Steering and Counterbalancing is slight. I think of it this way: Counterbalancing is about pushing the upper body OUTWARD and Self Steering is more about pushing the lower body INWARD. Slightly similar but different. Thanks for watching!
@@LexcoMotoGymkhana thank you. Im confused i thought it was the other way around. I need to practice more :)
I tried this method today, I work perfect, thank u
That’s great! I’m glad it worked for you. Thanks for the comment and for watching :)
Great! Thanks for sharing.
No problem, Alex. Thank you for watching :)
thanks for the effort you put into teaching everyone to ride better, although I'm always afraid of damaging the bike while training
I hear ya! That’s why I use my Ninja 300 for Gymkhana only. I have really beat that thing up.
thanks very important information
You’re very welcome :)
I just realised after watching this video, self steering is what we used to do on our BMX in our younger days
Wow! Interesting. I have always ridden bikes but not in a BMX context. I had never thought to try it on a bicycle. Thanks for the comment.
While steering, the bike always falls in the opposite direction of the steer. Point right, the bike will fall left. Point left, the bike will fall right. If you feel like you're falling, point the wheel in the direction it's falling and add throttle. Another way to view steering.
Thanks for your comment 😀
Very interesting. I used to ride dirtbikes a lot where I can't remember using countersteering all that much (wasn't a pro though). Maybe just to initiate a lean before railing a rut or a berm. On flat corners it was mostly pushing down with the outside knee, sitting kinda on the side of the seat and modulating the turning radius with throttle and clutch to slide the rear wheel, or shifting weight to the inside footpeg while standing. Now that I'm starting to ride streetbikes this made me very confident at slow speed maneuvers, however I was shocked at how stable and inert those bikes become over a certain speed range (~50mph+), almost ignoring my inputs. Had a situation on a highway turn where I was starting to run wide at ~70mph and the bike would resist the way I was used to steer bikes by knee and footpeg pressure (and a bit of lean). I started becoming uncomfortable as I was getting closer to the guard railing but mostly from doing much online research suddenly the idea of countersteering struck me and by a very gentle push on the inside and pull on the outside handlebars I was able to smoothly increase lean and tighten the turn without needing to brake. That experience of how the bike would not react to the way I was used to steer and how it precisely reacted to smooth countersteering was eye opening to me. I now see how beginners seem to have a tendency of running wide on faster corners, even if they're doing the visual part okayish. Knowledge saves lifes.
Yes. Counter-steering is a skill that all road riders must use. I happen to be a motorcycle instructor for beginner students and Counter-steering and Directional Control are the two most important skills we teach. Many people can get by by using Body Steering for a while but once they get into an emergency situation, they attempt to Direct Steer and end up crashing. Counter-steering is the most effective way to lean a bike, especially at higher speeds that you encounter on the roads. Once you learn how to combine Counter-steering with body inputs, then you really start to become one with the bike.
I’m glad to hear that your experience ended well and didn’t end with you running into the guard rail. Take care and thanks for watching! :)
That's curious, i've been taught by "A Twist of the Wrist 2" that even massive changes with the body position and pushing on the footpegs will merely alter the direction of the bike, and that countersteering is the only correct and always effective way to steer a bike.. guess i'm gonna test by myself later then.
Update: everything i've learned about motorcycle physics is shaking right now. Twisting the bike between the legs and letting the handlebar do its thing absolutely works, and the bike turn with no effort, more tight that when i was focusing on the handlebar to create the steering motion, and is definetely more stable!
note: this works only on slow/moderate speed, at greater speeds it dosen't have almost any affect on the bike trajectory, and you need to use handlebar inputs to corectly steer the bike.
I'm quite amazed by this new discovery and got me quite exited to keep praticing and do Moto Gymkhana (even if here in Switzerland nobody does is)
Thanks Alex for all those information and pratical demostration!
The difference is going to be with the speeds the technique is applied to. At fast speeds, Counter-steering is by far the best way to lean your motorcycle and get it to turn. I use inputs into the motorcycle at the footpegs and tank to supplement my counter-steering but I would never steer my bike with only my legs and feet at faster speeds (15 mph+). At relatively lower speeds, however, Self Steering is incredible. Try it out and I think you'll be surprised how much it helps make tight turns effortless.
@@LexcoMotoGymkhana got it! self-steering it actualy makes a huge difference i have to say. i'm still trying to figure out how to tight the turn at the end, i guess is front brake. I also have some problem with my body position because i'm used to lean in the curve, but i've seen many people doing gymkhana leaning in the oposite side
Hey Alex, another informative video, thanks! Im heading out to the parking lot tomorrow to try it out.
question: when im heavily leaned over in a drill (The fast eddie challenge for example) i feel the front wheel jerk to the inside of the turn sometimes (sudden direct steer), is this a normal behaviour i need to adjust to, or is it something i need to change and smooth out? Thanks.
Hi, Alexander and thanks for the question. It would be hard to know what is going on exactly when this is happening to you; I would really have to see it to further evaluate. However, when the handlebars have a sudden whipping or jerking reaction while tight turning, it's usually because the front forks are over-compressed and they kinda rebound violently, thus causing a sudden reaction like the one you describe. This can happen for a few reasons: 1. We are putting too much weight into the handlebars which then transfers into the front suspension 2. We are attempting a tight turn too fast and haven't slowed enough 3. We are being too aggressive with the front brake during tight turns or 4. We are attempting to turn the handlebars too forcefully with Direct Steering and not allowing them to turn themselves like with the Self Steering technique. My suggestion would be to try out the new Self Steering technique because it should fix this problem by eliminating the need for strong Direct Steering inputs into handlebar; when done correctly, you don't really need to do much, if any Direct Steering. Also, pay special attention to being completely relaxed on the bars and make sure you are not putting ANY weight into the handlebars; remember to squeeze the tank. Also, try not to reach full lock with the handlebars by forcing the full lock. Let the bars turn as much as they need to for the turn but don't try to force the bars to turn more than they need to. I hope some of this information is helpful for you and that it might provide a fix for your problem. Thanks for watching and for your support :)
@@LexcoMotoGymkhana thank you for taking the time to reply! Seems logical, and I can eliminate a few options straight away, I'll try slowing down and analysing my movements and gradually building up speed. I'm probably going in the turn too tight and throwing it in too suddenly. Have a great day and ride safe, sensei.
You're welcome :)
I tried it and its as if my R3 was a horse, responding to my every move. Works great in the twists too! Keeping weight on the pegs and squeezing the tank with very little pressure on the bars makes turns so smooth, quick, and precise. But one question; in the parking lot practice, I had no trouble staying light on the handlebars and turning my head and shoulders in left turns, but on right turns I had trouble not applying pressure on the bar with my throttle hand. Is there a trick to solve that? I can anticipate you saying "practice the things that give you most difficulty, Grasshopper...."
Alright! Progress is happening! Happy to hear the techniques are working for you. Regarding your question... let’s see if we can problem solve this. Whenever I feel tension in the upper body, it’s usually because I don’t feel stable and/or connected to the bike. The problem for me usually lies in how I’m balancing my body on the pegs and seat. I usually keep a lot of weight on my left foot and the seat and for right turns, I depend more on left knee inputs than I do on the right foot peg inputs. This allows me to be light on my right foot so that I can use the rear brake with more dexterity. That doesn’t mean that that is how YOU must do it. What I’m really trying to get at is that you should start by paying attention to what you are doing with your lower body during right hand turns and make sure you feel stable and connected. Try different things out and once your lower body is solid, your upper body will be able to relax. Let me know if that doesn’t help and we can brainstorm some other ideas.
Hello Alex,
What technique would you use in a twisty road if you wanted to increase your pace? I guess countersteering only? Would it be needed to transfer your weight towards the handlebars though?
Thanks again.
Yes. For me, the primary way of steering on the public roads is by countersteering. It is the quickest, easiest and most effective way to lean a motorcycle. However, as I improved my riding, I began to incorporate elements of "body steering" to my style. Body Steering is to steer the bike by shifting the center of mass of the rider by putting inputs into the footpegs and gas tank with the knees as well as shifting the weight of the upper body into the turn. I now see steering as a full body approach, blending countersteering and body steering together. But to be a little more specific: if I am taking a long, smooth, sweeping turn in the twisties, I can rely more on body steering. But if I am making a sharper turn or maybe I need to swerve to avoid an obstacle, I will focus on countersteering. So if I need to lean quickly = Countersteer. If I want to lean more smoothly and a little more relaxed = Body Steering. I suggest checking out the books SPORT RIDING TECHNIQUES and SMOOTH RIDING THE PRIDMORE WAY for more info on Body Steering.
@@LexcoMotoGymkhana thanks for the detailed response. I find Kintaro's video series very helpful for this as well.
Lol... Kintaro was a student... She just makes english subtitles for videos .. Her teacher name is Yoshida...
Yes. Another viewer told me that too. In my next video, I will address that issue. Thanks for letting me know!
@@LexcoMotoGymkhana ok, we're waiting your next video)... and many thx 2 u for detailed explanation of gymkhana tricks
I am going to finish the Level 2 series very soon. I have 2 very important videos coming soon. Thanks for your support and your patience! :)
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When using this type of steering, should I try to achieve an "automated landing" for a "flip flop"? It's really scary because I feel like the automated steering might overshoot if I have too much speed. Does that make sense? Should I try to limit the automated turn of the handlebar?
I think I understand what you are saying. I think that my videos that come later in this series might help you with this question. Specifically, the videos on The Magic Moment and The Brakes. Speed adjustment has a lot to do with how much the bars turn. The more you slow down, the more the bars will turn. This is why we want to slow down gradually and smoothly. As you improve and your confidence grows with the techniques, you will feel more and more comfortable letting the bars turn quicker. I don't know if you've already seen the other lessons, but if you haven't, check them out and let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks for watching.
@@LexcoMotoGymkhana Thanks... I've been experimenting some more. The problem I'm having is with tight figure 8s. Coming out of a turn too tightly sometimes causes my handlebar to go into full lock and the wheel feels like it's "sticking" to the ground. This is happening around the transition point just when I need to start turning in the other direction but the handlebar feels locked in and I end up going off course. Do you think this a "magic moment" happening, and should I be trying to prevent it? (sorry for such a detailed question)
Honestly, your issue could stem from a few different things (Throttle/brakes, steering, directional control, timing) but in order to know for sure, I would have to see some footage and see your riding. If you ever get a chance to record yourself, send me the recording to my email and I will do my best to evaluate. lexco619@gmail.com
Do you have to be below a certain speed to fall into full lock? Or is it possible to go faster (leaning more) and still go to full lock ?
I have some practice footage on my page i would love some feedback on!
I saw your videos. I think you are looking great and doing a lot of things well. Nice job.
The Magic Moment effect is definitely dependent on speed. It is the slowing of the motorcycle that makes the bike "self steer" and makes the handlebars turn. And yes, the eventual goal is to reach deeper and deeper lean angles while still reaching full lock or close to full lock. However, I'd like to say that I don't think you should be putting a huge emphasis on reaching full lock. Full lock is not something that I purposely TRY to make happen. It's very similar to dragging knee on a track. When you combine the right speed, lean angle and body position, your knee will touch the ground without trying to FORCE it to happen. If you watch a MotoGP race, you'll notice that for many corners of a race, the rider's knee doesn't touch the ground. That's because dragging knee is not a necessity for going around a corner fast. Similarly, you don't NEED to reach full lock in Gymkhana to go around a cone quickly but sometimes, full lock just happens. When you reach the right lean angle, speed and upper body relaxation, you will begin reaching the ability to hit full lock more consistently. Instead of full lock, focus on vision, relaxation, line selection and brake and throttle timing. These things are more important and will make you faster than just focusing on full lock. Hope that helps you. Thanks for watching :)
This technique is too difficult for me on my sportbike (R1) :(, I always lay down on the tank because the handlebar clip-on is too far away, it's hard to force my body weight on the foot beg and my butt outside the seat when doing slow speed (maybe i am familiar with the counter-weight for direct steering technique)
Yes. This style of riding would be difficult on a super sport with clip-on style bars. The R1 has a very aggressive seating position and narrow turn radius. It can be done but it’s way more tricky.
P. S. I suggest studying good riders who use bikes similar to yours. Check this guy out. He rides a Suzuki GSXR-750:ruclips.net/video/hL9AseA8MoQ/видео.html
@@LexcoMotoGymkhana Wow, thank you so much :) He uses the front brake too much and so smooth.