I think that clearly shows how clueless Mr McKenna is. All technological civilizations will go through a radio phase, even really advanced civilizations would probably keep radio technology around because it's a cheap efficient way of communicating over distance. They would also be using radio telescopes to see if they could detect civilizations developing technology.
@@stevemumbling7720 yes but the universe is 13 billion years old and larger than any human being could conceptualize. We've only had radio for what, say, a little over a hundred years? The probability that two intelligent civilizations have radio technology, around the same time as each other, and are close enough to each other to detect one another, and are even looking in the right direction at the right time to catch a signal (or are even searching at all) is astronomically low.
Hey Moid, I currently work in exoplanet/Brown Dwarf imaging & spectroscopy and that biosignature section did a lot of justice to so many people’s amazing work. Thanks for presenting our current scientific achievements in such a motivating way. ❤❤
This is exactly how I have described life in similar conversations. While extremely rare, I think life is as equally distributed as any other element or phenomenon in the universe. Life is a fundamental inevitability, a product of the universe churning away. We are here, we are a product of that system and nothing happens just once at these scales.
I don´t believe anything I see on the news. The only aliens to me are the people who believe pathological liars who are mostly narcissists. To me, that is more alien than anything alien I have ever seen in sci - fi.
Was that a nod to Douglas Adams at the start? “Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” For over 10 years I used my PC to crunch data for SETI from the now defunct Arecibo telescope. Didn't someone say that Aliens would either ignore us as too primitive, enslave us or eat us.
Chimps, crows, and ravens use tools...we are impressed by their ingenuity but do we really consider them equals. I suspect an alien civilization would need some seriously liberal views to apply a "Prime Directive" to respect developing species.
One of the most basic issues is that we don't even understand all forms of life on our own planet. We haven't even explored everything on dry land, only a small portion of our ocean... and we understand little of what we have found. Our basic knowledge requirement is can we eat it, and can we make money off of it. We already know of other intelligent life here on our own rock.. and not only do we not respect it, and can't communicate with it, we haven't even tried. We don't understand the basic functions of our own planet, and have no regard for the damage we do to it. We don't even know what we are looking for, other than something very similar in the large scheme of things, to us... the odds that another "us" evolved is microscopic. We cannot even comprehend all the variations of life possible in completely different environments, or even what those environments may be. The odds that we will clumsily stumble into something recognizable from another galaxy, with our child-like technology, is absurd at best. Honestly if something else is out there with the kind of advanced technology and intelligence to allow them to travel to us.. they probably don't want anything to do with us after seeing how we treat our planet and fellow earthlings, and if they did make contact we would be horrible to them.
The Think Anomalous RUclips channel has a lot of fascinating videos on the RUclips phenomenon. He tends to lean more towards Jacques Villée’s hypothesis that they aren’t necessarily extraterrestrial. There’s lots of suuuper “high strangeness” experiences people have reported that seem to be connected to UFO. Like the Sandown Clown thing. Shrouded Hand recently uploaded a video about the Santa Isabelle entity which occurred during a UFO flap and it’s a real trip.
Exactly. Everybody began to talk about extraterrestrials shortly after James Cameron released Aliens. And then people saw aliens in groups. Like two or threes. Before the first Alien movie was made, they always saw just one alien - like the Bibedun entity. If all these aliens are all real there would be no need for them to follow scripts from Hollywood. Nobody would know what they would look like until one of them showed up.
There is a cracking podcast called "It's Probably Not Aliens" 2 fellas going through the ancient aliens "evidence" from the "History" channel Anicent Aliens show and looking at the actual explaination and interesting IRL history behind the claims made, a little bit at how if you scratch the surface of those theories youvery quickly get nazis and a bit of Scooby Doo lore. Their first two episodes though are just going over all this stuff with an guest astro physicist and astronomer and it is brilliant. There's two long ish episodes of this that goes into a bit more depth than Moid, so if you're finding this really interesting that might be a nice one to go through next.
Love this style of video essay, Moid! But that's not saying much; I love all your videos. The pub setting is really nice, and the subject matter even more so! Loved the look at Webb's data too.
Great video! It would be cool to do a follow-up discussing the best books/movies/series that deal with the premises you discussed. There are great books for example that try to answer the fermi paradox (Scalzi's Old Man's War and Reynold's Inhibitor saga for example).
Per your recommendations, went into pandora's star. was caught into listening to all the commonwealth saga (audiobooks) and now i'm starving for moooooooooore.
The Fermi Paradox has been tightened with the advent of the concept of the Von Neumman self-replicating machines. If an alien civilisation made a Von Neumann machine and sent it out into the cosmos, then the diffusion of such machines with a modest interstellar travel time would mean they would be everywhere in the galaxy in between 250m-500m years.
@@SonofSethoitaeMichio Kaku will and does say anything that will get him air time IMO. The more outrageous the better. If you want to sell a crazy idea with a "PhD in Physics", call Michio. He is your man.
And the fact that Congress holds a hearing in no way indicates that’s it’s a serious concern. When they are actively lobbied to do nothing, they need a sideshow to distract from what’s actually going on
Hello Moid! Awesome video. I am very impressed with your grasp of the science. I am curious, are you familiar with some of the more local regions of interest (as pertains to E.T. life)? I am a planetary scientist (not researching life though) and the entire community is excitedly waiting for NASA's Europa Clipper mission to launch. Europa is probably the best chance we have of finding alien life in the next 80 years or less. There is likely more liquid water on Europa than there is on Earth :) Huge fan of your channel. I found it during the Book of the New Sun videos with Alzabo Soup and I'm here to stay!
I think when you take everything in perspective Humans are anthropocentric beings, Humans are the conscious universe and we love to transpose ourselves in the equation because our 3d meat have a limited scale of understanding.
A really interesting and, excellent presentation. Thanks Moid. It is definitely worth making time to comment on it. I learned stuff. Great! We truly live in interesting times, and with so many possibilities for life in the universe we may yet be visited by Margines or even the Mormons might have home planets of their own. 😕
I have an ebook of Passage to Mogonia. Ive been deeply interested in the UFO phenomenon and the search for extraterrestrial life since childhood. I still have a deep passion and interest. As an adult you are expecter to abandon such interests, but is that adulthood or the economic and political systems we live under pushing us to be productive in the sense of creating wealth for a handful elites? I think our current system would find itself viewing extraterrestrial life of the intelligent variety as a threat. Wouldn't intelligent life that found us first realize this and take necessary precaution?
I personally believe the universe is teeming with life, I also believe our planet is quarantined for the lack of a better term, we're not mature enough of an intelligent species to be allowed to be a part of the Universal neighborhood, I also believe there is a spiritual purpose for this quarantine as well.
Think about how long on our own planet to communicate and understand other tribes with one that still exist today we are unable to go near. Now think about another planet. A completely different method of evolution.
My opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it, is that our assumptions about what advanced alien civilizations would do/make etc. is like the ancients describing a journey to the moon in a chariot pulled by swans. We just don't know we should be looking for, and all of our assumptions about Dyson spheres etc are wrong.
Of course, this is just speculation, but I think that the universe is teeming with life. We just haven't figured out how to properly search for it. We are probably better off not knowing.
Check out "His Master's Voice" by Stanislaw Lem if you haven't already. It will definitely entertain you with its ideas about the subjects from the video.
If talking about alien life people always think about life we can recognize as life and understand as so. But that is a very narrow viewpoint ! Who said that for example Black holes are not a life form ? One we maybe don’t understand but life nevertheless. Thinking of life as only carbon based is too narrow .
Does it really matter whether the nearest other intelligent life is Galaxies away, or "Right next door" astronomically in Proxima ? way, we're not gonna meet them. Barring some completely unknown advance in Science, Interstellar travel is just not going to happen. And even meaningful communication at Interstellar distances is highly unlikely as, yes the carrier radio waves could reach that far, the messages on them would not. So Proxima Centauria are not now watching Doctor Who's 2020 episodes. One counter thought though. If an alien race we're extremely long live compared to us, then they might not be bothered by a journey of several centuries any more than humans of the days of Captain Cook were bothered by a journey of 3-5 years
You really have a way of sucking the viewer in. There is a very good TV movie from the 70s/80s called Mysterious Two that overlaps UFOs and religious cults. It was apparently based upon Bo and Peep space cultists in California of the time. After Peep died, Bo founded the Heaven's Gate cult and we know how that ended. What's extremely disturbing? The TV movie essentially predicted what would happen though leaves you wondering. You might want to take a look because that movie really hits the mark.
Terrance McKenna said something along the lines of, "Searching the galaxy for a radio signal is like searching the galaxy for an Italian restaurant."
The makes a lot of sense
I think that clearly shows how clueless Mr McKenna is. All technological civilizations will go through a radio phase, even really advanced civilizations would probably keep radio technology around because it's a cheap efficient way of communicating over distance. They would also be using radio telescopes to see if they could detect civilizations developing technology.
@@stevemumbling7720 exactly the kind of biased, anthropocentric thinking he was mocking.
This would be much more difficult as you would have to detect the hand signals of frustration
@@stevemumbling7720 yes but the universe is 13 billion years old and larger than any human being could conceptualize. We've only had radio for what, say, a little over a hundred years? The probability that two intelligent civilizations have radio technology, around the same time as each other, and are close enough to each other to detect one another, and are even looking in the right direction at the right time to catch a signal (or are even searching at all) is astronomically low.
Hey Moid,
I currently work in exoplanet/Brown Dwarf imaging & spectroscopy and that biosignature section did a lot of justice to so many people’s amazing work. Thanks for presenting our current scientific achievements in such a motivating way.
❤❤
That's awesome, thank you
This is exactly how I have described life in similar conversations. While extremely rare, I think life is as equally distributed as any other element or phenomenon in the universe. Life is a fundamental inevitability, a product of the universe churning away. We are here, we are a product of that system and nothing happens just once at these scales.
I don´t believe anything I see on the news. The only aliens to me are the people who believe pathological liars who are mostly narcissists. To me, that is more alien than anything alien I have ever seen in sci - fi.
One minute in and I am already sending this off to friends & enemies 😎
Looks freaking fantastic
Was that a nod to Douglas Adams at the start?
“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.”
For over 10 years I used my PC to crunch data for SETI from the now defunct Arecibo telescope.
Didn't someone say that Aliens would either ignore us as too primitive, enslave us or eat us.
Chimps, crows, and ravens use tools...we are impressed by their ingenuity but do we really consider them equals. I suspect an alien civilization would need some seriously liberal views to apply a "Prime Directive" to respect developing species.
One of the most basic issues is that we don't even understand all forms of life on our own planet. We haven't even explored everything on dry land, only a small portion of our ocean... and we understand little of what we have found. Our basic knowledge requirement is can we eat it, and can we make money off of it. We already know of other intelligent life here on our own rock.. and not only do we not respect it, and can't communicate with it, we haven't even tried. We don't understand the basic functions of our own planet, and have no regard for the damage we do to it. We don't even know what we are looking for, other than something very similar in the large scheme of things, to us... the odds that another "us" evolved is microscopic. We cannot even comprehend all the variations of life possible in completely different environments, or even what those environments may be. The odds that we will clumsily stumble into something recognizable from another galaxy, with our child-like technology, is absurd at best. Honestly if something else is out there with the kind of advanced technology and intelligence to allow them to travel to us.. they probably don't want anything to do with us after seeing how we treat our planet and fellow earthlings, and if they did make contact we would be horrible to them.
The Think Anomalous RUclips channel has a lot of fascinating videos on the RUclips phenomenon. He tends to lean more towards Jacques Villée’s hypothesis that they aren’t necessarily extraterrestrial. There’s lots of suuuper “high strangeness” experiences people have reported that seem to be connected to UFO. Like the Sandown Clown thing. Shrouded Hand recently uploaded a video about the Santa Isabelle entity which occurred during a UFO flap and it’s a real trip.
Exactly. Everybody began to talk about extraterrestrials shortly after James Cameron released Aliens. And then people saw aliens in groups. Like two or threes. Before the first Alien movie was made, they always saw just one alien - like the Bibedun entity. If all these aliens are all real there would be no need for them to follow scripts from Hollywood. Nobody would know what they would look like until one of them showed up.
There is a cracking podcast called "It's Probably Not Aliens" 2 fellas going through the ancient aliens "evidence" from the "History" channel Anicent Aliens show and looking at the actual explaination and interesting IRL history behind the claims made, a little bit at how if you scratch the surface of those theories youvery quickly get nazis and a bit of Scooby Doo lore. Their first two episodes though are just going over all this stuff with an guest astro physicist and astronomer and it is brilliant. There's two long ish episodes of this that goes into a bit more depth than Moid, so if you're finding this really interesting that might be a nice one to go through next.
Love this style of video essay, Moid! But that's not saying much; I love all your videos.
The pub setting is really nice, and the subject matter even more so! Loved the look at Webb's data too.
Thank you, it's actually the coffee shop part of a book shop
Lots of fun, Moid. I think about this stuff all the time. I’m 70 so I’m probably not gonna see anything in my lifetime.
I'm close to 80 - and still waiting impatiently! ❤
@@dortebuttenschn3764I'm 37. I'll stay down here and keep an eye out for the both of you.
I didn't see anyone pass by when I was a lungfish. But my eyes were underdeveloped.
Fantastic videos as always Moid. Love the channel.
Great video! It would be cool to do a follow-up discussing the best books/movies/series that deal with the premises you discussed. There are great books for example that try to answer the fermi paradox (Scalzi's Old Man's War and Reynold's Inhibitor saga for example).
Nice video, personally I subscribe to the rare earth hypothesis as put forth by Ward and Brownlee in 2000
One does have to wonder if maybe the spacefaring aliens may not just be avoiding the seedy back alley known as Earth. Thanks for the new material!
Per your recommendations, went into pandora's star. was caught into listening to all the commonwealth saga (audiobooks) and now i'm starving for moooooooooore.
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
― Arthur C. Clarke
As an earthling named Hugh Mann who likes cheese and not taking over the earth with my extraterrestrial fleet I must say I love this video.
The Fermi Paradox has been tightened with the advent of the concept of the Von Neumman self-replicating machines. If an alien civilisation made a Von Neumann machine and sent it out into the cosmos, then the diffusion of such machines with a modest interstellar travel time would mean they would be everywhere in the galaxy in between 250m-500m years.
Michio Kaku and "Reputable" in the same sentence? That only works if the sentence also contains the word "NOT".
Meaning?
@@SonofSethoitaeMichio Kaku will and does say anything that will get him air time IMO. The more outrageous the better. If you want to sell a crazy idea with a "PhD in Physics", call Michio. He is your man.
And the fact that Congress holds a hearing in no way indicates that’s it’s a serious concern. When they are actively lobbied to do nothing, they need a sideshow to distract from what’s actually going on
The video I was hoping for❤
Hello Moid! Awesome video. I am very impressed with your grasp of the science. I am curious, are you familiar with some of the more local regions of interest (as pertains to E.T. life)? I am a planetary scientist (not researching life though) and the entire community is excitedly waiting for NASA's Europa Clipper mission to launch. Europa is probably the best chance we have of finding alien life in the next 80 years or less. There is likely more liquid water on Europa than there is on Earth :)
Huge fan of your channel. I found it during the Book of the New Sun videos with Alzabo Soup and I'm here to stay!
Thanks for the comment, yes, i have done plenty of amateur research on that subject but a lot of tangents were left on the cutting room floor.
amazing work
Thank You
Weather we are alone or not in the universe is truly staggering.
Brilliant
Fantastic video, and a fascinating subject.
Thanks, I couldn't have done it without you
@@MediaDeathCult thank you Moid, I was happy to help.
I think when you take everything in perspective Humans are anthropocentric beings, Humans are the conscious universe and we love to transpose ourselves in the equation because our 3d meat have a limited scale of understanding.
A really interesting and, excellent presentation.
Thanks Moid. It is definitely worth making time to comment on it.
I learned stuff. Great!
We truly live in interesting times, and with so many possibilities for life in the universe we may yet be visited by Margines or even the Mormons might have home planets of their own. 😕
Lol each time countries start rattling their sabers the "we got some access to secretive highly developed technology" announcement is made 😂
I have an ebook of Passage to Mogonia. Ive been deeply interested in the UFO phenomenon and the search for extraterrestrial life since childhood. I still have a deep passion and interest. As an adult you are expecter to abandon such interests, but is that adulthood or the economic and political systems we live under pushing us to be productive in the sense of creating wealth for a handful elites? I think our current system would find itself viewing extraterrestrial life of the intelligent variety as a threat. Wouldn't intelligent life that found us first realize this and take necessary precaution?
The track in the background sounds like it's from the movie Pi
We're all just NPCs in a videogame that was never turned off when the original player died at his desk 4 billion years ago in another dimension.
I personally believe the universe is teeming with life, I also believe our planet is quarantined for the lack of a better term, we're not mature enough of an intelligent species to be allowed to be a part of the Universal neighborhood, I also believe there is a spiritual purpose for this quarantine as well.
lol… you cited “three-legged fish” as though one-legged fish weren’t adequately bizarre enough.
Is it possible life emerged not once but twice or multiple times on Earth? Perhaps not all life originated from the same single cell organism?
Great video 👍🏻
Thanks
As an actual alien, I liked this video
Think about how long on our own planet to communicate and understand other tribes with one that still exist today we are unable to go near. Now think about another planet. A completely different method of evolution.
Lol you said: "big, dark throbbing disks" 😂😂😂
Alien three-legged fish plants confirmed on Mars
It’ll be single cell organisms on Enceladus. Nothing like the little green men or whatever else.
My opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it, is that our assumptions about what advanced alien civilizations would do/make etc. is like the ancients describing a journey to the moon in a chariot pulled by swans. We just don't know we should be looking for, and all of our assumptions about Dyson spheres etc are wrong.
I prefer the term "hill-william."
Of course, this is just speculation, but I think that the universe is teeming with life. We just haven't figured out how to properly search for it. We are probably better off not knowing.
I'm not a scientist.... I believe that the reason we only heard the wow signal one time it's because we may have picked up on an explosion
is the universe a dark forest? (over-hyped book but interesting idea)
If we are in a simulation, can someone please update the software. It's long overdue...
Is there a separate button for aliens to like this? Asking for a friend.
Check out "His Master's Voice" by Stanislaw Lem if you haven't already. It will definitely entertain you with its ideas about the subjects from the video.
Any thoughts on Heliconia Spring?
If talking about alien life people always think about life we can recognize as life and understand as so. But that is a very narrow viewpoint ! Who said that for example Black holes are not a life form ? One we maybe don’t understand but life nevertheless. Thinking of life as only carbon based is too narrow .
Eskimos aren’t real? 19:02 since when? Lol
You can’t stop the signal…
Why don't we ask the planets?
Does it really matter whether the nearest other intelligent life is Galaxies away, or "Right next door" astronomically in Proxima ? way, we're not gonna meet them. Barring some completely unknown advance in Science, Interstellar travel is just not going to happen. And even meaningful communication at Interstellar distances is highly unlikely as, yes the carrier radio waves could reach that far, the messages on them would not. So Proxima Centauria are not now watching Doctor Who's 2020 episodes. One counter thought though. If an alien race we're extremely long live compared to us, then they might not be bothered by a journey of several centuries any more than humans of the days of Captain Cook were bothered by a journey of 3-5 years
You really have a way of sucking the viewer in. There is a very good TV movie from the 70s/80s called Mysterious Two that overlaps UFOs and religious cults. It was apparently based upon Bo and Peep space cultists in California of the time. After Peep died, Bo founded the Heaven's Gate cult and we know how that ended. What's extremely disturbing? The TV movie essentially predicted what would happen though leaves you wondering. You might want to take a look because that movie really hits the mark.
All these allusions to huge scale and no 'your mum' jokes. You've changed mate
Am I missing something with the holstered gun to make a RUclips video??? Is making a video that dangerous???
😠 'promosm'
Oh hello! WB!
And then there's Cixin Liu telling us it's a really bad idea to go looking 🫣