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W123 OM617 Double The Power
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2019
- We enjoyed doubling the power of this old W617 with the use of the Dieselpumpuk custom injection pump.
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I own a 1983 300SD turbo diesel. My favorite car! I love the sound of my old diesel! I have over 300,000 miles and still get 23 mpg! A definite tank rock solid car!
In the '70s when mercedes launched the 617 turbo, some trial versions already made 180+hp on the running pad. To keep engine's life long, they reduced to 125hp then became available on the market.
@benz merc those extra 60hp are at the top end, where you don't spend most of the time
@@joebotelho248 But as you can see in the diagram, the power increase in percent is even higher in low and mid range.
You don't necessarily need a 1 million mile car. There is plenty of life in this engine.
Ya they did that by changing up the cam shaft making it more torquey
Because the street version had no Intercooler.
Need more om617 Dyno runs!!! Excited to see what my wagon pushes out
A more in depth how to tutorial on removing and replacing the pump itself would be amazing. I will be ordering a pump from you soon!
That 5 cylinder growl with whistle behind it 😍
I used to have an N reg sprinter with the 120hp 5 cylinder in. It sounded just like that
why USED to..........
RainbowFoxSilo because I sold it
@@Dan23_7 thats sad..
RainbowFoxSilo I had it years ago
@@Dan23_7 still sad
I would like to see the owners reaction from his or hers first testdrive with double the power.
@Curtis Maverick damn it must be regional or something because it did not work for me
Gives us more builds plz 💪 great job
i love these OM series diesels!!!
Great information. I have a 1981 Mercedes 240d with the 4 speed manual rather than the 5 speed manual commonly found in Europe. The 4 cylinder diesel does not put out a lot of power but I keep up with traffic okay and I have taken many trips to the San Diego area from north of Bakersfield about an hour. It takes about 7 hours after you fight through the Los Angeles traffic. It is always the struggle between lowering the RPM on the top end and having zip on the bottom end. The first 2 gears I am usually right with the traffic but by the 3 gear the car drags behind the traffic until I get back to the flow of traffic.
Something I did modify was having the 205 70r14 Michelin tires but now I can't find them at Costco. I also added another air scoop close to my AC condenser. A drunk hit my first Mercedes and totaled it but it makes a good parts car. I took the air scoop added a PVC Y and channeled both air scoops into the engine. I have never put it on a dynamometer but it has made the diesel just a bit perkier. I also add Cetane and Marvel's Mystery oil to the fuel. That helps lower the loud chatter of the engine while getting more power out of the engine. My next big project will be to replace the mechanical radiator fan with an electric fan to take back some of the horse power lost on moving the mechanical fan. I upgraded the alternator to a bigger alternator that took the same plug in. That has also helped. It would be nice to put a turbo on that engine but it was not designed to take a turbo so that idea has been nixed.
@@kermitefrog64 How is it over the grape vine? No problems with those inclines? I imagine the turbo helps with elevation change.
@@MiikeyLawless Actually, the 240d 4 speed manual does not have a turbo. I get a good run up the hill and then have to shift into 3rd but it stays around 55 mph. which really pushes the engine. I currently put on a new set of tires and went with the Uniroyal 205 75r14 and it makes a nice difference on the top end and drops the RPM. It makes a bit of change on the speedometer but the added comfort makes a nice difference. My recent project has been replacing the mechanical radiator fan and replaced it with a Flex-a-lite electric fan. I am no longer taking the long trips down to San Diego since my wife died from cancer 2 1/2 years ago.
I had a 79 motorhome normally aspirated OM616. Drove it to the South of France from London. I was in first gear on some of the hills on the motorway. Then drove it over Pyrenees and the oil light came on. I topped it up but the damage was done. I used about twenty litres of oil getting home - was surprised the police didn't stop me at times. No one could see.
Best video yet guys good work!
That car was brand new when I passed my driving test! My BMW f30 320d makes about 185 BHP.
Great videos and I wish you were near Albany, New York. I am curious if this engines upgrade includes an Intercooler?
The music in the background. Rocking
Thank You ! Good Tech
Nice, i like the old school diesels. These old Mercs & PSA XUD are 2 of my favourites, do you guys do common rail stuff too though? We've got a Volvo S80 D5 (euro3 163) and a 206 1.4HDi currently, the Volvo is decent enough but i'd be interested in any tips you might have for getting a little more from the pug, though TBF i think the standard turbo is the limitation as it's running out of puff at the top end. That and no intercooler is a problem (It's pretty standard, running gutted cat/disabled EGR & wastegate adjustment's maxed out).
Actually, the 240d 4 speed manual does not have a turbo. I get a good run up the hill and then have to shift into 3rd but it stays around 55 mph. which really pushes the engine. I currently put on a new set of tires and went with the Uniroyal 205 75r14 and it makes a nice difference on the top end and drops the RPM. It makes a bit of change on the speedometer but the added comfort makes a nice difference. My recent project has been replacing the mechanical radiator fan and replaced it with a Flex-a-lite electric fan. I am no longer taking the long trips down to San Diego since my wife died from cancer 2 1/2 years ago.
Put a turbo on it, is easy
I'm so happy you did this thanks
Nice car
I wonder why I never noticed this before? I have 300D W123 with a STT turbo on it ,it's not slow (2 actual speeding tickets...) but it lacks real power because of the low fuel delivery setting. I have the STT manual which has a few hints on how to adjust the rack settings etc. I dont have the intercooler either which I think STT said came from a Saab, and the proper STT aircleaner is a large Volvo panel filter. So on hot days here there is a noticeable power loss.
Its like a PQRST wave!
That engine would be Glorious in my CJ7 Jeep.
I need to make that happen.
Taras Pylypiv I put one in my Jeep cj5. Check out my playlist. I’ve got a tdi swapped Jeep and a 617 swapped Jeep. ruclips.net/video/CsTemCcG_Lo/видео.html
Its actually been done a good bit, but its not the best diesel for a Jeep swap (pmus you're ruining a Mercedes) theyre higher revving diesels more designed for highway cruising at higher speeds, not as much low end torgue for crawling over stumps etc. There's way better diesels for that purpose that will give you more torque at lower rpms. I would really check out the new Cummins R2.8 crate motor.
@john Parrish buy a Cummins R2.8 or get a 4bt Cummins
@@joeb578 If not sufficient, how about considering om606 turbo, that has been modified. I would think with let's say, just an example 350hp and the right final drive ratio. Just my opinion, I would think that would be sufficient. Though with cj5, length might be an issue ? I'm honestly not that familiar with how much room they have under the bonnet.
How big of a pump can you go for and still daily it without it blowing
Have you guys tuned diesel ssangyongs yet?
Hi, I was wondering what countries the w140 chassis was available with the om606? I know the USA wasn't one, unfortunately.
Nice glasses
Very good technology knowledgeable
Will be on to you for a pump to go in my G soon as I can my friend
How what power increase did the turbo kit give over the standard engine ? How did it increase the power over standard if there was no fueling increase ?
Hi Luke
Very impressive what you are doing with diesel engines.
I'd love the opportunity to quote you on machining some of you conversion components.
Thomfield engineering Ltd. We are a small company in South Wales.
Any opportunities would be very much appreciated
Botswana plate, considering buying one out here too
What effect can be expected from a better pump in case of a 602NA? At present in a W460. Regards.
Does your universal oil cooler kit bolt right up to the om617? My oil cooler is cracked and needs a swap out. But on a custom build in a 4runner
Awsome How do I go about getting one of your pumps??
So what’s one of those pumps run shipped to los angeles?
Hola amigo,tengo una Mercedes benz 409d t1,es un furgón pero con el mismo motor pero sin turbo,crees que seria posible ponerle el turbo? Afectaría negativamente al motor? Espero su respuesta gracias de antemano saludos
I have last 2.4D from w123 in my w115/8. It possible to add turbo there?
Im across the pond did you put special parts in that new pump or can i get a bigger pump off some other engine?
Disco at the mechanic shop!!
i like the fact that it has very little smoke but cmon gents something has to give here ...double the power means double the heat i have to wonder how the ex valves are doing after a 1000 miles nevermind that the exhaust is going to be twice as hot during extra boost but all in decent work gotta love those Bosch pumps i used to play with quanity adjustment on the rabbits in the early 80's and i got nice results
If they double the power they will probably reduce lifespan by half...or less..😀😀😀
The majority of road driving uses less than half throttle.
It’ll only be double the heat if the engine is ran to rich and there is loads of smoke. If the boost is set right and there is no smoke on boost. The engine will be fine. Not to mention there tough as nails anyway.
Also look at the power curve. It makes more stock until the peak and falls off. What is the max rpm on the new pump Dyno curve?
(Edit) ok I could make it out (rpm @power) toward the end of the vid. 4500 is good
Just wonder how much this kind of setup will cost
With a bigger exhaust say a hood stack would you gain more power because there is less restriction
Can you tell how much cast to do.
Was this engine originally a turbo or a non turbo?
Awesome stuff! I have a MB100D which has a OM616 in it and I 'd like to swap the engine out for something with some more power. Something tells me the OM606 wouldn't fit and would also be overkill but perhaps the OM617A would be a good shout. Do you have any experience with the MB100D? Also do you do full engine rebuilds?
Om616a turbodiesel force motor
24 degrees?
So is there any loss in fuel efficiency with the new pump? Or is it just better overall?
There may be no loss, you may even gain some efficiency via turbo doing its job better, but your fuel usage will increase either way, as you are actively pumping more fuel... To reduce fuel consumption and to increase fuel efficiency are not the same thing... You can have the best, most fuel efficient engine and induction system but drive like a moron and have poor fuel mileage, and you can have an engine that has poor fuel efficiency(not power necessarily) and drive it with good fuel mileage... Power of the engine, its fuel conversion efficiency and fuel usage are related, but not strictly linked... Either can change without impacting others, and any change in any of them can impact all others in some cases... I cant say in this case does the fuel efficiency of the system rise, but i can say with certainty that fuel usage does rise, and as was shown, so does the power... Now it can be calculated, if we were told all the data and could establish formulas for original setup and its efficiency and then compare it to what we see here, but not enough data is given, and sure, it could be fetched and gathered, but im not here to provide both the resources for math, the math and info, i hope this did help, altho untimely, but whatchugonnado?
How did it only make 82 hp with the turbo already
The valves were adjusted and the new pump. Where to buy one?
What a sound :))))
you were running a stock om617 at 1 bar boost with no problems ?
From the factory, the 3.0L turbo diesel made 110 hp @ 4500 rpm.
Iknow
but with a stt turbo kit only 56hp!
WHAAAT
@@catfish_lude they are reading the power at the wheels. Manufacturers rate the engine, itself, at the crankshaft. Also, I am not sure if Mercedes did this, but I know American car manufacturers, back until the later 70s or 80s, basically tested just the engine, with no accessories bolted up. No cooling fan, no power steering pump, no alternator.
@@dposcuro Whaat
@@catfish_lude okay, gimme a second, dumbing myself down a bit here:
Factory spec if engine alone. No transmission, no final drive and their inherant losses.
These guys are using a chassis dyno, which measures power at the wheels. This take into account the power used to drive the transmission and differential. It is always going to give you lower power figures than an engine dyno.
If you say what, one more time, I will get out the crayons, so don't eat them.
OM 617.912 = 88 hp
OM 617.952 = 125 hp
That's about stock power for a factory turbo OM617. Can you turn up one of the larger pumps? I'd love to see around 200hp out of mine.
yes
Hi guys is there any mods for the volvo d5s euro 4 185 version manual thanks
love it.. where i can get that setup .and details what you did to it..i want more power on my
I think from their site
Does it matter if you have an automatic with a turbo? Im in the USA
A 2nd gen Camaro in background. Cool. Still your current project is impressive. Or Firebird ?
3rd gen looks like z28 78-82. Hard to be exact with front bit missing.
What did you do to the valvecover? So nice!
Can we bring over our OM617???? That extra turbo would be well appreciated;)
Love what you are doing mechanically - however can you PLEASE get a tripod? I have a headeache from the spinning camera every time i awatch.
I am a little confused now. Have You turboed this engine?
Can you do any magic for a VM D219 AC turbo?
Awsome
What are your thoughts on the kkk got one at a good price conflicted about using it
Nice!!.
How come that thing is knocking so hard at idle? Is this normal? the camera mic perhaps? You mentioned I can send to you an "MW" pump but will get back this "M" pump. I am not familiar with the difference but my core/car is a U.S. 300SD turbo diesel om617 pump. Is this this core acceptable to send to you? Thanks.
Neither the fuel supply nor the turbo if so equipped was ever the constraint to power on the OM617. It was always the valve timing. There is a 26° or so period at TDC where both the intake valve and exhaust valve are closed - no overlap, no scavenging. Compare this to the later OM602/OM603 which has overlap.
Are custom camshafts available to address that?
NICE!!!!
Why has this car with turbo only 82hp (stock would be 88hp for NA)? My s123 300d NA does almost 100, but then it smokes pretty much!
what did this conversion cost--total--- thx
£18000
@@xavierrochas £18000 ? What did £18000 include? Thanks
Does this cost you a lot of mpg?
Love its smells
Is this originally a non turbo? I hear that installing a turbo might damage the internals
Hello Sr.
I am Matias, I come from URUGUAY, I LIKE IT AND IT HAS HELPED ME A LOT.
Could you give some advice?
I have a mercedes 300sd w126, it runs great.
but it happens that it apparently loses oil in the crankshaft seal or seal from the gearbox side.
Do you think that you could undertake or make the arrangement without disassembling too much?
thanks greetings
the car is 1982 om617
Is that the OM617.95x engine ? Always fancied replacing the stock 617 in my Still fork truck for a 95x 😂😂😂
Impressive! I have a US 1985 Turbo w123 sedan. I’m curious how the tranny behaves, I guess it will rev quicker but I would not gain a lot more top speed, right?
well more revs means more top end speed on the same trans
What have you guys done with the tranny. I had a 85w123 and those transmissions are a pain in the ass that the vacuum pump and the lines have to be right. Did you guys change the tranny out with something else. You guys killed it that car is sick and its a wagon too
Was the engine originally a na? Turbo blocks are virtually non existent here in australia
I have a 1983 300d what can I do with it thanks for your time in responding
new pump
turbo kit
valve adjustment
free flow
knn air filter
oyeah diff swap maybe
Hey Luke iam not far from you, could you do the same pump on my 190d ? Its the five cylinder with TB aftermarket turbo. How much we looking? £££
You have an 2,5l om602 thats an completely different engine... you just have to look up at there website www.dieselpumpuk.com they have a pretty good online store. You can chosse between different power goals (275hp/400hp/600hp)
Mercedes tried to max the OM617 out for the C-111-III and gave up @ 230HP (allegedly).
hi sir, i have a question, I'm making improvements to my old om617, did you have to reinforce the engine?
Hi, just wondering where you lads are based? Would you fancy taking on a Jaguar XFS 3.0 V6 diesel that is throwing out loads of black smoke at about 2500 rpm? I’ve had the DPF’s removed, the EGR’s blanked and it’s been mapped, it was fine for about 6 weeks after the map and then I started noticing a lack of power and loads of smoke. It’s been to 4 garages now and no one can work out what’s wrong with it ☹️
Sounds like a boost leak from the pipework between turbo and engine.
Would like to find out more about these motor I got a om617 but it’s a 86 Jeep Comanche
you have this engine in a comanche?
I have a feeling the previous owner turned my injection pump up, mine black smokes on acceleration and idle it’s rich as hell
R B. You cannot change the mixture of a diesel at idle. The amount of diesel injected determines the rpm, if you injected more than the required amount then the rpm would simply raise. If you have smoke at idle you could have a timing or other engine issue. Big elements or nozzles can sometimes give some hazing also.
@@DieselPumpUK i never said you could. I said the previous owner had turned up the injection pump.
I DID however state that my car smokes at idle
And was rich, hense...black smoke . It sure smells rich to me
My 300D made about 80hp when new. Doubling the power would still have made it a slow car lol
how is the fuel economy with one of these pumps on a non turbo om617 ?
im wondering as well because i want to daily drive it.
Highteckhobbies if you keep your foot out of it it should be better than stock as well as crusing around Should be better as well because you don’t have to be in your fuel pedal as much
I want 200hp please what do I need?
What transmission?
Curious about rpm data…the 5.5 pump hp and torque data is recordeed below 4000 rpm. The new pump data for hp and torque is around 4500 rpm. This would make a difference in data numbers, correct? So is the dyno data accurate? Also, how is the engine hp calculated? Is it strictly mathematical? Not actual physical data? Thanks! Nice video looking forward to adding a new pump. Tim
The dyno calculates the drivetrain loss, if an engine makes more Hp regardless of what rpm it is in fact more hp
More power with better fuel economy ? Sounds like a winner. But how much is it ?
Czechbound I think like two grand USD
@@theshadetreewelder3523 Ok, that sounds more likely.. I thought someone mentioned £18000, which seemed way to high.
Do u guys sell custom injector pumps for more power
how does just changing the pump make so much more power? Do they tune other aspects? Is efficiency lost? Thanks in advance
well imagine you have 10g of tnt you get poff now imagine you got 20g ot tnt now you got POFF the engine was originally without a turbo so the stock pump was already strung out and not able to give the fuel needed to drive the turbo properly, now with a pump serving more fuel you have a bather combustion pushing the turbo faster hence making more bost as unlike petrol cars i dont belive this has any boost limiter so more spool is more air and more poff
@@Stale_Mahoney This is a great answer. So the pump itself was designed for a non-turbo predecessor engine; and thus not optimized.
@@JoeHeine yeah that would be the basics of it all, as you from factory need to comply with emissions and such, but a pump able to deliver more fuel is bether for power
Love your videos bro but the background noise is quite annoying!
Thanks for the video though !
Are you in Liverpool or maybe Wales?
Can you guys ship to Florida?
I'm also curious if you find out can you let me know
Never got a response from them lol
a 617 016 03 01 can you tell me motor this is outta all I know is it’s OM617 turbo 5 cylinder diesel turbo
How much is the upgrade costs
I would try to get a Turbo engine and do this conversion on. There is a reason why Mercedes upgraded the oil coolers, sprayers, pistons, etc on the turbo models.
But if that guy doesn’t care. Oh well.
Sideshow 44 I have no clue when it will go boom. It might go tomorrow. It might go in 5 years. But one thing is for certain. It will not last as long as one of the US spec Turbo models.
I have one of those STT kits on my 300D. 1985. 130,000 miles and still runs like new. The only thing that kills the OM 617 is rockapes who abuse them,lack of maintenance mainly. And the turbo is the same as the factory fitted to the turbo version. Without doing any pump mods I even got a speeding ticket last year.
been done by the finns.
om617a stock internals seem to throw connecting rods around 250hp.
om606 is your guy for big power.
We had the same engine in a G-Wagen with after marked turbo kit turning out around 150 HP. It ran close to 600.000km (372822 miles) before it cracked a piston. Quite strong engines in my opinion.