I could watch this stuff all day. I have a Mig welder out in the shop that I have had for 25 years and really never used it. I just never knew how. now I feel like I could give it a fair try now. Your an awesome teacher dude.
I really enjoy when you go through the whole routine. You are a real craftsman and your knowledge is what we’re interested in. I understand there’s times to just pop it out and save time to do a simple job thinking there are plenty of other videos you’ve made. but it is still fabulous to see it done again. If not we can stay way back in 2017 and keep watching the old stuff. LOL love you man, keep cranking them out!
Thanks Fitzee! The tip for bending the indent is going to come in very handy for the rusted out seat support edge on my '65 Thunderbird. First time rebuilding a car and you've helped me a lot in the last year.
Awesome tool's Fitzee ! Thank you for showing us how to build the T dollies and fine blower. Many thanks for always giving us the best tips and tricks in the sheet metal fab buisness. Your an absolute legend !
hi tony i find your work so refreshing to watch these days everyone throws stuff away instead of repairing it . theres no satisfaction in that .thanks for all the tips .p.s ever thought of becoming a teacher .youd be great .cheers tony elson ,in uk
Amazing Now i know why i was given lots of odd bits of brass in a box of panel beating tools I have not started my car yet, but these videos will make an awkward job a little easier Thanks Tony
I’m continually blown away by your skill. You make it look so easy. Yet my results aren’t nearly as good! I guess practice makes perfect. Thanks for all the great information and videos.
You make it look so simple. Guess it’s your decades of experience. At any rate you motivated me to buy a Hobart 140 and an old 1980 square body. Heck, I just retired I got to do something!
I bought a Hobart 140 a few years ago. A pre-retirement gift to myself. You won't be disappointed. Thanks to Fitzee's instructions, I welded new steel in the door skin and fenders and replaced the rocker panels on my '04 Jeep Liberty. Start collecting scrap steel now. Old bed frames are a good source of angle iron. Your 140 will pay for itself in no time. By the end of the year, you'll wonder how you survived this long without a welder. BTW, If need be, I can also run my H-140 on my 5500 watt generator.
Congratulations on your retirement, Mr. Haver! As it seems you already know, retirement does not mean the cessation of labor, just the focus of said labor is now on the enjoyment of your life in your twilight, played under your rules and on your time. I hope those vehicles come out nice, and with Fitzee's advice, they should. 🖖
@@OldJoe212 FYI..... I have also used "bed frames" for projects (like my welding cart and a 2 wheel trailer for a cub cadet riding mower) but have had a problem not being able to drill holes in it.
@@OldJoe212 that’s cool I have a 4500 W generator with a 30 amp breaker that would most likely handle it also. My son in law is a part time scrapper and I’ve already cut out the sides of a couple stoves not sure of the gauge yet but it’s at least 20 maybe 18.
I love the way you end your videos Fitzee, with Peanut and the nice music. Too many channels have horrible "music" throughout, which makes the videos hard to watch. You educate and entertain us without added noise, drama, or swearing. Thank you! Your tips are excellent!
Awesome work Tony! I used cut and butt yesterday to install a rear window into my 68 cab, get to grind it down today after I weld the back side. I have a sheet metal piece I wish I could mail you that has a complicated pressed budge in it and a interesting stepped flanged edge for strength. It is only about 18" by 10" but I think it would make for a good video. Let me know and I could mail it to you (with some other goodies). Thanks again for everything!
Howya Fitzy our Irish cousin 🇮🇪 , we love your work, if you lived back here in Ireland 🇮🇪 you would localy called Anto short for Anthony and sometimes Tony, thanks for the videos I use some of your advice, rebuilding my rear wheel drive mk1 Escorts thanks,
I love your thought process and method of metal working. I was watching a video by Karl Fisher (japhands) and he was making the inner fender structure for an old Cadillac and while he does amazing work and it turned out perfect as I was watching the video all I could think is….I wonder how Fitzee would tackle this project because I’m sure your approach would be completely different but still end up perfect. Great video bud 👍
As I was watching that I could see fitzee in my mind making it up from 3 pieces and welding it to avoid having to put a bend in those flanges. I can't imagine the mess I'd make trying to get that shape from one piece of metal
Thanks for the pointers and tool ideas! I made a set of T-Dollies after seeing a previous episode. Along with a body spoon, cylinder head stands, valve spring compressor, and cab rotisserie! Lol. I got the bug to be creative. What’s funny is they’re all heavier and work better than what I’ve bought in the past. Thanks again!
An old welder told me years ago, if you happen to inhale some galvanize while welding, drink a pint of milk right away. It works! Really enjoyed this Tony. Thanks for sharing.
Great video as usual. I use copper pipe as a backup for welding up small holes. I take a piece about 10-12 inches long and flatten a couple inches on one end then bend it over and flatten it again. That gives me 4 times the wall thickness of the pipe. It works for me and it's cheap. 👍 🇨🇦
Hi Tony, Loved the video! I have a suggestion on the T dollies. I had some old shock absorbers laying in the shop and getting ready to toss. About a month ago thought of your saying "never throw anything out". Well what can you do with old shocks? Cut the piston rods off! Hardened steel and smooth as glass. Used a sawzall (less heat) as these were gas shocks. 4 - 14" 1/2" steel rods to make lots of things. Made two T dollies one for me and another for a friend. Thanks Buddy!!
Thank You Fitzee! I think the way you repair sheetmetal is a genius working. I am always impressed by your approach. The "T" dolly was a bonus. David Adair
The possibilities are endless, but I do think you could do knurling by pipe wrench with the Dewalt lathe. Maybe your viewers can come up with other ideas.
I was wondering for ages how you were going to bend up the vertical portion of the patch then you didn't but cut it at the angle and cut the vertical part in. It's these simple tricks that are so valuable for novices like me who try to make everything fit perfect before welding in. Thank you so much for sharing.
Another cool video Tony, it’s awesome hanging in the shop seeing what you’re up to, Wendy’s Mustang, krusty , the vista cruiser what ever you got going on I’m in
I love your videos Tony. If I don't have time to finish watching one, I always come back to it. In my opinion "It ain't over until Peanut says it is"🐱👓
Thanks for all your information, its because of watching you show us how to do the welding of panels that I've gone and got myself a nice used snap on 110 might, tig welder . I've also picked up a 61 Caddy that needs just a few things welded. So thank you for giving people like me the courage to try and do things ourselves.
Hi Fitzee. Thanks for the video. It was nice of Peanut to go out first and check to see if the coast was clear for you. ;) Such dediCATion. Have a goodo one.
Great job on the tool fab. Love simple solutions like this. I'm going to use your cut and butt; one edge at a time sectioning technique next time I fix something. Especially when you find one more small section of thin rusty stuff right next to a section you have just repaired!
It is funny that you made a video about "Homemade tools", because of what I just accomplished myself recently!! The other day I was doing some wood working and I KNEW I needed a push block to safely run the wood I was working with through my table saw without fear of kick back!! I watched a few RUclips videos to get a few ideas and realized I might have a "better way" to make a quick and easy push block! So a few pieces of wood dowel, a couple chunks of 2X4 cut offs, a small scrap of plywood and some wood glue, AND in about an hour I had a push block I could use on my saw!! The funny thing is my push block is about as ugly as the day is long, BUT it did the job I was trying to complete without sawing my fingers off, OR launching the wood I was cutting into the next county, so I would say that my push block was a success!!! Sadly though now I have to buy more wooden dowel, because I was actually saving that piece I used for another project, but it was a cheap and fast solution to a problem, and it worked amazingly!!
Also you made me laugh when you said to yourself "Turn the welder on dummy!", because I am forever and a day forgetting to plug in my tools, or turn them on, or hiding tools AND parts right in front of myself!! I can't tell you over the years how many tape measures I have bought, lost and bought again, only to end up with six of them now, but the number is probably closer to 25 different tape measures, I have bought throughout the years and once in a while I will stumble across one, in a place I wasn't even looking for one!! I once lost a hammer, by leaving it on the roof I was working on, bought a new one to replace it, and found the old hammer, on the roof where I left it, the next day!
@@BrucePierson The worst though has to be "hiding things on myself"!! I constantly set something down, turn around or walk away for a split second, then I can't find the wrench I had, or the tape measure I was using!!! I KNOW I had it a second ago....but where did I put it??? An hour later or a day or two goes by, and I wonder why there is a screwdriver inside my refrigerator!!! LOL
I watched all the videos, honest!! They always have good content..my garage inspector decided she needed help. I have 3 apprentice inspectors learning the trade. Think they need to watch too.
Great little video, thanks for your expertise, all these small things make it easier to accomplish the larger tasks, thanks again, all the best to you and your loved ones
Hey Tony, another great one much appreciated. I have been going to make t dolly for some time, this video convinced me the time is now. Hope it turns out as good as yours. We all like the finished product but fabrication is about a never ending journey. I don't care what you work on or if its just a walk in the woods, keep the content coming. I jogged the railbed in CBS last week, WOW beautiful place to live. Thqnks
Made a T dolly from your tips a couple of years ago from a CV joint shaft and a piece of scrap from our local Tip Shop. Recycle and cheap 👍 could even be free if you have the parts laying about. Gotta love the lathe too 😂👍Cheers Fitzee from Downunder Australia 👍🍻
Tony, I use the same HF gloves and every pair I have the pointer finger stitching lets go right away, like on your's, so I have masking tape on them because the rest of the glove is still good. Gets me some more time before I pitch them. Great tips.
Get some Tilman TIL48 or TIL50 gloves.Think I used the 48's. It's all I wore after trying numerous others when I was welding 10-12hrs a day.They'd last me about 3-4 months.
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Great job! Tools are nice as well. Dad always said. Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without! Still valid today. Thanks Tony.
Nice work on the crossmember and I love the home made tools, finding things you need isn't easy sometimes so it's faster and cheaper to make your own
Thanks Fitzee. Great tips as always.
I need to stop watching you and get on with some work of my own!
I could watch this stuff all day. I have a Mig welder out in the shop that I have had for 25 years and really never used it. I just never knew how. now I feel like I could give it a fair try now. Your an awesome teacher dude.
Thanks for the Tips Fitzee. Shafts from old shock absorbers or drive shafts from front wheel drive cars should be good for making some T-Dollies.
As a scrapper I pick up things that people throw away especially at work. You got me looking at things In a different way . What can I use that for?
I really enjoy when you go through the whole routine. You are a real craftsman and your knowledge is what we’re interested in. I understand there’s times to just pop it out and save time to do a simple job thinking there are plenty of other videos you’ve made. but it is still fabulous to see it done again. If not we can stay way back in 2017 and keep watching the old stuff. LOL love you man, keep cranking them out!
Thanks, becomes clear to me now that panel fitting is course fit, tack it, split it, weld it. Exactly what I came to learn thanks!
Thanks Fitzee! The tip for bending the indent is going to come in very handy for the rusted out seat support edge on my '65 Thunderbird. First time rebuilding a car and you've helped me a lot in the last year.
PRACTICAL: That's the word to describe your work Fitzee (any other way is a waste of time) now I have a lathe in my shop too! Thanks bud.
Awesome tool's Fitzee ! Thank you for showing us how to build the T dollies and fine blower. Many thanks for always giving us the best tips and tricks in the sheet metal fab buisness. Your an absolute legend !
Love the "Stick around". Always makes me smile. Also love that you know where to draw the line with what the customer has asked for.
hi tony i find your work so refreshing to watch these days everyone throws stuff away instead of repairing it . theres no satisfaction in that .thanks for all the tips .p.s ever thought of becoming a teacher .youd be great .cheers tony elson ,in uk
Every time I see your work I get a desire to start welding and shaping metal:) you make it look so easy. Keep up the good work
Amazing
Now i know why i was given lots of odd bits of brass in a box of panel beating tools
I have not started my car yet, but these videos will make an awkward job a little easier
Thanks Tony
Easy repair using simple hand tools. Thanks for showing us how to make simple tools like the T dollie and the blow gun.
Sometimes you make a tool for a specific job and end up using it for much more. I enjoy your videos no matter what you’re doing.
I’m continually blown away by your skill. You make it look so easy. Yet my results aren’t nearly as good! I guess practice makes perfect. Thanks for all the great information and videos.
You make it look so simple. Guess it’s your decades of experience. At any rate you motivated me to buy a Hobart 140 and an old 1980 square body. Heck, I just retired I got to do something!
I bought a Hobart 140 a few years ago. A pre-retirement gift to myself. You won't be disappointed. Thanks to Fitzee's instructions, I welded new steel in the door skin and fenders and replaced the rocker panels on my '04 Jeep Liberty. Start collecting scrap steel now. Old bed frames are a good source of angle iron. Your 140 will pay for itself in no time. By the end of the year, you'll wonder how you survived this long without a welder. BTW, If need be, I can also run my H-140 on my 5500 watt generator.
Congratulations on your retirement, Mr. Haver! As it seems you already know, retirement does not mean the cessation of labor, just the focus of said labor is now on the enjoyment of your life in your twilight, played under your rules and on your time.
I hope those vehicles come out nice, and with Fitzee's advice, they should. 🖖
@@OldJoe212 FYI..... I have also used "bed frames" for projects (like my welding cart and a 2 wheel trailer for a cub cadet riding mower) but have had a problem not being able to drill holes in it.
@@OldJoe212 that’s cool I have a 4500 W generator with a 30 amp breaker that would most likely handle it also. My son in law is a part time scrapper and I’ve already cut out the sides of a couple stoves not sure of the gauge yet but it’s at least 20 maybe 18.
You sir are a real craftsman. I always learn something new on your channel.
Stay safe, Joe Z
Thanks so much for all the Tips and tricks Tony..I used the cut and butt today to fix a rusted out mower deck. Have learned a lot from watching you.
I love the way you end your videos Fitzee, with Peanut and the nice music. Too many channels have horrible "music" throughout, which makes the videos hard to watch. You educate and entertain us without added noise, drama, or swearing. Thank you! Your tips are excellent!
Well said my friend. His video’s just make you want to Stick around.
Love the tips on simple tools tony. It’s fun to be creative in the shop solving problems.
Awesome work Tony! I used cut and butt yesterday to install a rear window into my 68 cab, get to grind it down today after I weld the back side. I have a sheet metal piece I wish I could mail you that has a complicated pressed budge in it and a interesting stepped flanged edge for strength. It is only about 18" by 10" but I think it would make for a good video. Let me know and I could mail it to you (with some other goodies). Thanks again for everything!
Thanks for passing on your tricks of the trade you make it look so easy - Noel Aust.
I like when you share your home made tools with us.
I enjoy all of your videos, whether it is working on the Stang or doing rust repair.
Great repairs! I love making homemade tools! “Until next time “
Howya Fitzy our Irish cousin 🇮🇪 , we love your work, if you lived back here in Ireland 🇮🇪 you would localy called Anto short for Anthony and sometimes Tony, thanks for the videos I use some of your advice, rebuilding my rear wheel drive mk1 Escorts thanks,
I love your thought process and method of metal working. I was watching a video by Karl Fisher (japhands) and he was making the inner fender structure for an old Cadillac and while he does amazing work and it turned out perfect as I was watching the video all I could think is….I wonder how Fitzee would tackle this project because I’m sure your approach would be completely different but still end up perfect. Great video bud 👍
I watched Karl and thought the same thing!
Both Tony and Karl are awesome at what they do.
As I was watching that I could see fitzee in my mind making it up from 3 pieces and welding it to avoid having to put a bend in those flanges. I can't imagine the mess I'd make trying to get that shape from one piece of metal
Another great video....glad you showed us how to make some tools...
Hey Tony, another good video, stay safe and cool.
Catch you next week 👍
Definately one of my favourite channels. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
I keep forgetting to make a t dolly , next chance I get I'm doing this. Thanks mate , great work and video.
That looks like a nice first project for someone getting into body repair.
Thanks for the pointers and tool ideas! I made a set of T-Dollies after seeing a previous episode. Along with a body spoon, cylinder head stands, valve spring compressor, and cab rotisserie! Lol. I got the bug to be creative. What’s funny is they’re all heavier and work better than what I’ve bought in the past. Thanks again!
Great video, just love the simplicity of your methods!
Oh, what wonderous results, when work is elegantly and resourcefully done! You never cease to amaze, Professor Fitzee. 🖖
Thanks for the tips and the tools especially about galvanized metal.
The tips were great! Made 2 T bars and a blow bit...Thanks
An old welder told me years ago, if you happen to inhale some galvanize while welding, drink a pint of milk right away. It works! Really enjoyed this Tony. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Fitzee for another garage rust and tool laboratory show and tell.
Another great video Tony. I often use a plate or a chunk of aluminium to take the heat away.
it is good to see you back at the videos, and this one is great I will be doing that same repair soon .
Great video as usual.
I use copper pipe as a backup for welding up small holes.
I take a piece about 10-12 inches long and flatten a couple inches on one end then bend it over and flatten it again.
That gives me 4 times the wall thickness of the pipe.
It works for me and it's cheap.
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as mentioned below, because I had 10 indentation to make ,I made a jig to do it,worked out PERFECT thanks heaps 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you for the tutelage! It has inspired me to fix my own panels on my 84 f150 one piece at a time and it works!
Fantastic tool tip Tony. Thanks for sharing
Fitzee, I took 3/4 inch copper pipe and I inserted 1/2 inch copper into the 3/4 then flatted the pieces. I have a few, curved 90 deg etc. Works great.
That blowgun using an old pushrod is genius…. Well done on the cross member as well…
Thanks again Fitzee. Keep on keeping on...
Very nice job Tony on all the items
Another good one Fitzee. I think my favorite.
Hi Tony, Loved the video! I have a suggestion on the T dollies. I had some old shock absorbers laying in the shop and getting ready to toss. About a month ago thought of your saying "never throw anything out". Well what can you do with old shocks? Cut the piston rods off! Hardened steel and smooth as glass. Used a sawzall (less heat) as these were gas shocks. 4 - 14" 1/2" steel rods to make lots of things. Made two T dollies one for me and another for a friend. Thanks Buddy!!
Thank You Fitzee! I think the way you repair sheetmetal is a genius working. I am always impressed by your approach. The "T" dolly was a bonus. David Adair
You really do explain everything in ways I can understand. Thanks for the tips, and of course, seeing your cat.
I like the way you use your Dewalt lathe to make tools. Very clever!
The possibilities are endless, but I do think you could do knurling by pipe wrench with the Dewalt lathe. Maybe your viewers can come up with other ideas.
I was wondering for ages how you were going to bend up the vertical portion of the patch then you didn't but cut it at the angle and cut the vertical part in.
It's these simple tricks that are so valuable for novices like me who try to make everything fit perfect before welding in. Thank you so much for sharing.
as always thanks for another fantastic video! The addition of showing how to make the simple tools really knocked it out of the park.
Hey Fitzee - Another outstanding repair video! Well done!
Fitzee you are the man! Im literally about to start to repair that cross member in my Gbody
Hello from North Carolina. Love the content Fitzee. Always learn something new from your videos. Keep them coming.
Great video, took me a few days to watch it completely but great information!
Enjoyed it. Thanks for the tips. Ronnie.
Thanks Tony for another great vid
Love the tips and tools. Thanks I’ll be making some soon.
Always love watching you craft.
Thanks for all the tips and tricks!
Great video Tony. I learn something from every video, Happy Father's Day and thank you for sharing with us.
You definitely have the best channel and I always look forward to the next video 👍
Thank you for sharing...Another great video.
Another cool video Tony, it’s awesome hanging in the shop seeing what you’re up to, Wendy’s Mustang, krusty , the vista cruiser what ever you got going on I’m in
Love your work Fitzee!
I love your videos Tony. If I don't have time to finish watching one, I always come back to it.
In my opinion "It ain't over until Peanut says it is"🐱👓
Great practical advice and tools. Thanks for the ideas!
Excellent video showing many aspects of metal repair. Thanks.
Love the thumb measurement and that lathe! I need to get one for my shop! Great work as usual!
Nice Job, Mr. Fitzee. Some GOOD idea's for the Up and Coming Bodymen..."IF" they hed you teaching them something
Thanks for all your information, its because of watching you show us how to do the welding of panels that I've gone and got myself a nice used snap on 110 might, tig welder . I've also picked up a 61 Caddy that needs just a few things welded. So thank you for giving people like me the courage to try and do things ourselves.
Its time fer the cawt and bawt! Howdy Fitzee! Looking forward to the vid
Excellent job.well done.
As always great tips & techniques.
Rick
Great work Fitzee...We would like more work (hands on) a lot less talk. Just because...thanks
Hi Fitzee.
Thanks for the video.
It was nice of Peanut to go out first and check to see if the coast was clear for you. ;) Such dediCATion.
Have a goodo one.
Good stuff Tony. Thanks for sharing your tips and skills with us.
Another great teaching video, Tony - thank you!!
I like making tools so adding this to your videos is awesome lets see what you have a havent thought of yet keep up the excellent videos
👍👍👍 I found myself holding my breath too! lol 😁
I really enjoyed it ! The homemade Tools are great.
Great job on the tool fab. Love simple solutions like this. I'm going to use your cut and butt; one edge at a time sectioning technique next time I fix something. Especially when you find one more small section of thin rusty stuff right next to a section you have just repaired!
It is funny that you made a video about "Homemade tools", because of what I just accomplished myself recently!! The other day I was doing some wood working and I KNEW I needed a push block to safely run the wood I was working with through my table saw without fear of kick back!! I watched a few RUclips videos to get a few ideas and realized I might have a "better way" to make a quick and easy push block! So a few pieces of wood dowel, a couple chunks of 2X4 cut offs, a small scrap of plywood and some wood glue, AND in about an hour I had a push block I could use on my saw!!
The funny thing is my push block is about as ugly as the day is long, BUT it did the job I was trying to complete without sawing my fingers off, OR launching the wood I was cutting into the next county, so I would say that my push block was a success!!! Sadly though now I have to buy more wooden dowel, because I was actually saving that piece I used for another project, but it was a cheap and fast solution to a problem, and it worked amazingly!!
Also you made me laugh when you said to yourself "Turn the welder on dummy!", because I am forever and a day forgetting to plug in my tools, or turn them on, or hiding tools AND parts right in front of myself!! I can't tell you over the years how many tape measures I have bought, lost and bought again, only to end up with six of them now, but the number is probably closer to 25 different tape measures, I have bought throughout the years and once in a while I will stumble across one, in a place I wasn't even looking for one!! I once lost a hammer, by leaving it on the roof I was working on, bought a new one to replace it, and found the old hammer, on the roof where I left it, the next day!
@@gregbenwell6173 Funny thing that, power tools don't work unless they are plugged in and the outlet turned on.
@@BrucePierson The worst though has to be "hiding things on myself"!! I constantly set something down, turn around or walk away for a split second, then I can't find the wrench I had, or the tape measure I was using!!! I KNOW I had it a second ago....but where did I put it??? An hour later or a day or two goes by, and I wonder why there is a screwdriver inside my refrigerator!!! LOL
@@gregbenwell6173 I know exactly what you mean. I have the same problem with something I just had in my hand disappearing.
I watched all the videos, honest!! They always have good content..my garage inspector decided she needed help. I have 3 apprentice inspectors learning the trade. Think they need to watch too.
Thanks for sharing so much with us!
Great little video, thanks for your expertise, all these small things make it easier to accomplish the larger tasks, thanks again, all the best to you and your loved ones
I want to thank you 🙏 for this have a 77 chevelle that needs this done as well as my under seat at the rear which is all rotted out
77 chevette! Have a soft spot for 76-78 models.
Hey Tony, another great one much appreciated. I have been going to make t dolly for some time, this video convinced me the time is now. Hope it turns out as good as yours. We all like the finished product but fabrication is about a never ending journey. I don't care what you work on or if its just a walk in the woods, keep the content coming. I jogged the railbed in CBS last week, WOW beautiful place to live. Thqnks
I enjoy watching you work
Thanksgiving thank you so much I'm learning extreme amounts thank you for sharing your knowledge I appreciate it so much
Made a T dolly from your tips a couple of years ago from a CV joint shaft and a piece of scrap from our local Tip Shop. Recycle and cheap 👍 could even be free if you have the parts laying about. Gotta love the lathe too 😂👍Cheers Fitzee from Downunder Australia 👍🍻
Good show Fitzee thanks .
Tony, I use the same HF gloves and every pair I have the pointer finger stitching lets go right away, like on your's, so I have masking tape on them because the rest of the glove is still good. Gets me some more time before I pitch them. Great tips.
Get some Tilman TIL48 or TIL50 gloves.Think I used the 48's.
It's all I wore after trying numerous others when I was welding 10-12hrs a day.They'd last me about 3-4 months.