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  • @garrickhunter-o4e
    @garrickhunter-o4e 13 дней назад +157

    I’m 32 years old and I am just starting to invest for the first time in my life. I have started contributing to my 401K and opened a Roth IRA with automatic contributions. My question is, does asset allocation even matter early on, or am I just overthinking this?

    • @justlikekingsolomon
      @justlikekingsolomon 13 дней назад

      There’s a lot to decide on… How much do you want to carry in international, small value, bonds, etc. Most times it is better to just delegate your day-to-day investing to someone of great expertise

    • @evelynlukmon
      @evelynlukmon 13 дней назад

      Couldn't agree more, investing with the help of a financial advisor set me up for life, retired as a millionaire at 55. I worked hard everyday as a teacher for 32 years, and my salary was over 100k annually. But if it wasn't for the covid-19 lockdown, I wouldn't have supplemented my income with stocks and alternative investments.

    • @everceen
      @everceen 13 дней назад

      good gains! who is this professional that guides you please? enthused about investing for my eventual retirement but dont know how to go about it, for now I only invest in my 401k through my employer and gains are quite slow

    • @evelynlukmon
      @evelynlukmon 13 дней назад

      Personally, I've stuck with ‘’Katherine Nance Dietz” and her performance has been consistently impressive. You can confirm her basic info on the internet, she's quite known in her field with over two decades of experience.

    • @verycautiousbeing
      @verycautiousbeing 13 дней назад

      thanks for sharing! just did a web search on Katherine Nance Dietz and I find her valid

  • @HugoBergmann-lu4nd
    @HugoBergmann-lu4nd 10 дней назад +230

    I'm recently retired and uncertain if my 401(k) and IRA will be enough for a stable future. I've set aside $1 million to help secure my financial goals and align with my risk tolerance. Should I consider investing in stocks or buying a rental property?

    • @TylerJamestown
      @TylerJamestown 10 дней назад +3

      Research dividend aristocrats-companies with a proven track record of paying dividends for over 25 years. Select six to ten of these companies for your portfolio. It's also wise to consult with a financial advisor to help you set up a well-structured investment strategy.

    • @JamesLongman-v5r
      @JamesLongman-v5r 10 дней назад +2

      I agree. Based on personal experience working with a financial advisor, I currently have $2 million in a well-diversified portfolio that has experienced exponential growth from when i started. It's not only about having money to invest, but you also need to be knowledgeable, persistent, and have strong hands to back it up.

    • @StacieBMui
      @StacieBMui 10 дней назад +2

      Your advisor must be really good. How I can get in touch? My retirement portfolio's decline is a concern, and I could use some guidance.

    • @JamesLongman-v5r
      @JamesLongman-v5r 10 дней назад +1

      I've shuffled through investment coaches and yes, they can be positively impactful to an individual's portfolio, but do your due diligence to find a coach with grit, one that withstood the 08' crash. For me, Rebecca Nassar Dunne turned out to be better and smarter than all the advisors I ever worked with till date, I’ve never met anyone with as much conviction.

    • @grego6278
      @grego6278 9 дней назад +1

      Thanks for sharing. I searched for her full name, found her website immediately, reviewed her credentials, and did my due diligence before reaching out to her.

  • @barttfisher
    @barttfisher 4 месяца назад +287

    Lately, I've been contemplating retirement, uncertain whether my 401(k) and IRA will ensure a secure future. I've also invested $800K in the stock market, experiencing fluctuations without substantial gains.

    • @PennyBergeron-os4ch
      @PennyBergeron-os4ch 4 месяца назад

      Using a 401(k) or IRA is a profitable strategy for retirement planning, providing potential savings growth and tax advantages. While the stock market is promising, expert guidance is essential for effective portfOlio management

    • @FinnBraylon
      @FinnBraylon 4 месяца назад

      Opting for an asset manager is currently the optimal approach for navigating the stock market, particularly for those nearing retirement. I've been consulting with a coach for a while, and my portfOlio has surged by 45% since Q2.

    • @HildaBennet
      @HildaBennet 4 месяца назад

      Market behavior can be confusing and unpredictable. Mind if I ask you to recommend this particular coach to whom you have used their services?

    • @HildaBennet
      @HildaBennet 4 месяца назад

      Due to the significant dips, I need advice on how to rebuild my portfolio and develop more successful tactics. Where can I find this teacher?

    • @FinnBraylon
      @FinnBraylon 4 месяца назад

      Go with Sonya lee Mitchell. She is the licensed manager I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment.

  • @NicholasBall130
    @NicholasBall130 3 месяца назад +4

    Investing in Roth IRA can be a good choice since they are funded with after tax dollars, your contributions can grow tax-free over time. When you withdraw money from your Roth IRA in retirement, you won’t have to pay tax on it, which will help you keep more of your hard-earned money. I retired with 5 million dollars

    • @Wellerpage
      @Wellerpage 3 месяца назад +3

      If you’re new to investing or have a more complex financial situation, It can be helpful to work with a financial advisor who can provide personalized guidance and help you make informed investment decisions.

    • @StocksWolf752
      @StocksWolf752 3 месяца назад +1

      This is precisely why I like having a portfolio coach guide my day-to-day market decisions: with their extensive knowledge of going long and short at the same time, using risk for its asymmetrical upside and laying it off as a hedge against the inevitable downward turns, their skillset makes it nearly impossible for them to underperform. I've been utilizing a portfolio coach for more than two years, and I've made over $800,000.

    • @FarrahBaker467
      @FarrahBaker467 3 месяца назад +2

      This sounds great. Is there a way I could connect with your advisor or any other whom you think is very good? I'll appreciate.

    • @StocksWolf752
      @StocksWolf752 3 месяца назад +1

      Sonya Lee Mitchell is the licensed fiduciary I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment..

  • @stewdog22
    @stewdog22 6 лет назад +139

    I didn’t have any friends until I met Roth.
    Now I have 569,961 friends. Plus Roth; Roth and I are still friends too.

    • @tez_foe4382
      @tez_foe4382 5 лет назад +1

      They're Not 'Friends'. They're 'Users'.

    • @thisisshauna6986
      @thisisshauna6986 5 лет назад +1

      Wish I were you.

    • @airless818
      @airless818 5 лет назад +5

      @@thisisshauna6986 Get to work💯

    • @nobody_special012
      @nobody_special012 5 лет назад +1

      Movement Exotics exactly! Wish gets you -ish.

    • @RoyArrowood
      @RoyArrowood 4 года назад +2

      @@nobody_special012 Wish in one hand as my father used to say 😂

  • @ranger-io5db
    @ranger-io5db 3 года назад +43

    This is some good information. I should have been listening to Dave 20 years ago.

    • @mlovespring7892
      @mlovespring7892 3 года назад +5

      Yes, agreed. But, middle class trying to get out of debts and making ends meat, I couldnt understand anything else, but to pay off debts.

  • @88888gerald
    @88888gerald 4 года назад +26

    when moving from traditional to roth make sure the amount you make taxable doesnt take you over the amount that makes your medicare cost rise.

    • @timlist4173
      @timlist4173 3 года назад +1

      exactly. and give a cushion of about 5k just to make sure

    • @MT-yx5cu
      @MT-yx5cu Год назад

      Can you explain this a little more please?

  • @stephenparallox
    @stephenparallox 5 лет назад +37

    Although the explanation of a Roth vs. Traditional was spot on, at 60 you do NOT want to overload on growth stocks for a large return. You have to adjust your allocation so you can have funds on hand if you need it at 60, otherwise a bad market turn and you're going to be broke late in life.

    • @davidhochstetler4068
      @davidhochstetler4068 4 года назад +4

      You realize they’re also making 200k a year on pensions. That’s their cash on hand unless they blow it all

  • @ligbzd837
    @ligbzd837 4 года назад +34

    In a 10 year period, remember there is always a potential for a recession or economic slowdown. So, don't count on your money to grow every year. There will be years that your money may go down 40% or more. That's the risk.

    • @Durwood71
      @Durwood71 3 года назад +4

      @@hurt1704 I think you mean only those who jump _off_ the roller coaster get hurt. As Dave says elsewhere, if you pull your money out of an account after suffering a loss, then all you're doing is locking in your loss.

    • @timlist4173
      @timlist4173 3 года назад

      And that is a great time to make your conversion. you will not be jumping off of the rollercoaster either. I.E. If you have a mutual fund in abcde fund and convert it to a roth you are not jumping off of the rollercoaster, Just paying tax on the amount you move.

  • @Corey_Bee
    @Corey_Bee 4 года назад +19

    He needs to recalculate the return using the $60k that goes into the Roth. He's using the $200k he calculated based on having $90k invested. The conclusion is not necessarily wrong, but the reasoning is misleading.

  • @zane003
    @zane003 5 лет назад +30

    Simple:
    1- Max out your company match -if any- on 401k, or participate in pension plan -if offered-.
    2- Max out your Roth IRA of $6,000 a year (as of 2019), unless you make more than 120,000 a year (as a single).
    3- Max out 401K Roth if offered by employer.
    Notes:
    A: Open Roth IRA with TdAmeritrade, Etrade.. etc and put at least a dollar. you have a 5 years timer that starts when you 1st contribute.
    B: If employer offers borrowing from 401K and you cannot afford maxing out your $6,000 a year Roth IRA, you can borrow from your 401k if you can afford it.
    C: Other than wine and old collectibles, is the only thing you can do to make time work on your side.

    • @Hotobu
      @Hotobu 3 года назад

      How does making more than 120K per year factor into this?

    • @zane003
      @zane003 3 года назад +1

      @@Hotobu in 2020, making 139,000 a year and filling as single will limit your Roth IRA contributions. anything below that and you should maximize your ROTH IRA. ROTH IRA is how the government shot themselves in the foot by collecting less taxes than they would like

  • @vjadhav1988
    @vjadhav1988 8 лет назад +316

    Those two make 200k in a year but can't cash flow 30k at any one time??? where do you find these people?

    • @mickyunit
      @mickyunit 7 лет назад +30

      Veerendra Jadhav They are both retired and making 200k? Wow. How does she not know how much they have in savings? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something....

    • @kyliefan7
      @kyliefan7 7 лет назад +24

      Veerendra Jadhav & how does she not have more saved if they make that much?

    • @pepeman3099
      @pepeman3099 7 лет назад +22

      Veerendra Jadhav some rich people are horrible with finances.

    • @rfengr00
      @rfengr00 7 лет назад +27

      That's 200k in pension income for the couple. What pensions pay that? Illinois school administrators probably.

    • @grizzlycountry1030
      @grizzlycountry1030 6 лет назад +24

      200k sounds like alot if you live where cost of living is cheaper. There are places in the united states where making that much only qualifies you as middle class.

  • @laminjawo5586
    @laminjawo5586 2 года назад +3

    I have to replay this two times to absorb the information.

  • @juju10683
    @juju10683 6 лет назад +18

    Translation
    Growth: could be medium or large cap companies that are expected to grow
    Growth and Income: dividend and/or dividend appreciation funds (typically large cap)
    Aggressive growth: small cap stocks.
    International: self explanatory...even though most American large cap stocks have a lot of international exposure these days.

  • @TOOSPACELYFOREARTH
    @TOOSPACELYFOREARTH 6 лет назад +199

    The way he cuts people off on that console is funny asf.

    • @constructionking7399
      @constructionking7399 4 года назад +3

      Yeah, he does it so effortless! LoL 🤣

    • @colin1818
      @colin1818 4 года назад +15

      Above all else, this show is entertainment. The guy's been running a radio show for over 25 years. He knows when he wants to listen to people talk and when he wants to listen to himself talk.

    • @jeanp.5929
      @jeanp.5929 3 года назад +3

      that's the funniest one I've seen thus far.

    • @MrSmellySmell
      @MrSmellySmell 3 года назад +6

      Oscar: I have the flu and need help with my IRA.
      Dave: Have a great long weekend.
      Oscar: I'll probably just be sleep... (Dave hits button)

    • @josh.webber
      @josh.webber 3 года назад +4

      You just need to say ‘AF’

  • @brandonkirk9011
    @brandonkirk9011 Год назад +3

    Dave cracks me up! He uses general basic advice and applies it to everyone regardless of their situation. Everyone’s situation is completely different and he gathers minimal information about the person/family to make a decision that is not specific to that individual/family. And people listen!

    • @simplyme3684
      @simplyme3684 Год назад

      Yet, here you are listening lol

    • @nyarinyax
      @nyarinyax 11 месяцев назад

      I was about to comment the same thing haha@@simplyme3684

  • @Dr.TJ1
    @Dr.TJ1 3 года назад +18

    I never really thought about the contributions to a traditional IRA as just deferring the tax, but that’s what it is. I realize the theory is you need less in retirement and therefore should be in a lower tax bracket when you withdraw it so overall you’re paying less tax. I think the Roth is a much better retirement vehicle not just because it grows tax free, but because you don’t have to take withdrawals at 70 and you can turn it over to your kids tax free when you die.

    • @ventilator2999
      @ventilator2999 3 года назад +5

      who wants to turn all of their wealth over to their kids? Mine got a Roth IRA in their name with $ 10000 in the S&P 500 index fund at birth which should easily grow to a few Million until they retire. Or they can take everything out to buy a car and waste it, then be broke. That's plenty nice on my part, I think.

    • @TechGorilla1987
      @TechGorilla1987 2 года назад +3

      @@ventilator2999 More people than you know. My step-mothers father invested year after year - never spending a penny. It was all transferred to his daughter in several financial advisor directed accounts. She's wealthy beyond my comprehension.

    • @f430ferrari5
      @f430ferrari5 2 года назад +1

      The Roth is not necessarily a better vehicle if one makes over 125k or so. By deferring my income and having such features as deductible mortgage interest and property taxes this brought my taxable income to below 100k for many tax years. The effective tax rate is lower.
      Even if I didn’t go below 100k in taxable income this year or future years when I retire…so long as I take out less than the next level effective tax rate then I’ll be ahead.
      The good news too is that in 10 years with the way inflation is going the new “100k” may be “120k”.
      The only way to play this game is having cash on hand and also having a Roth IRA.
      For anybody making less than 100k right now or even slightly over because the standard deduction is 12k or so for single then it seems best just to go with a Roth 401k.
      Not sure if I’m missing anything.

    • @g.t.richardson6311
      @g.t.richardson6311 Год назад

      @@ventilator2999 how did you open a Roth for 10000, limit is 6000?
      And since a new born has no earned income?
      How did you do this?

    • @toohda
      @toohda Год назад

      @@ventilator2999 I do

  • @johnchafin3817
    @johnchafin3817 6 лет назад +139

    She still had no clue what was being talked about... LOL

    • @Mjansen77
      @Mjansen77 5 лет назад +8

      Nutshell: 401k takes your money out before it is taxed so when you go to pull it out you are going to be income taxed on it. ROTH 401k means the money that goes into your 401k has already been taxed therefore when you retire, you dont pay taxes again on what it has grown into.

    • @Mjansen77
      @Mjansen77 4 года назад +1

      @_ David _ When using a ROTH, in general means after tax dollars. IRA is a tax sheltered account that stands for Individual Retirement Account. If it is ROTH then it would mean putting money in that account is after tax, if it isn't then its before tax which means you pay taxes when pulling money out. It also means it lowers your potential tax bracket while putting money into it. There are advantages to both.

  • @cooper9917
    @cooper9917 5 лет назад +57

    If you are retired making 200k a year through pension why do you even need to worry about how you invest?

    • @youKnowWho3311
      @youKnowWho3311 4 года назад +1

      Because pensions and companies that hold them can be bought and legacy costs (pensions) can be shed in the sale. Under a new name, pensions may not be required to be honored. Meaning, the new company may be profitable right away by telling older pension holders to scram. This is something you should have learned in 2008 by watching GM. This is why you always hold gold and other investments as a percentage of your portfolio. Trust no one leg of the stool.

    • @oldscar6169
      @oldscar6169 4 года назад +1

      What silly statement ! Thats like saying that I have a Physical ever year so I’m not worried about my health

    • @gigid9606
      @gigid9606 4 года назад

      don't you get taxed on what you earn, so if they are retired they are only earning their pension, that can't be any more than a 38% which is what most middle class people earn anyway.

    • @MS-wh5lt
      @MS-wh5lt 3 года назад +1

      They could be looking at it as a legacy plan i.e. what's the most tax efficient way to leave money behind to children, churches, and charities.

  • @ajtheown
    @ajtheown 6 лет назад +18

    Nice video, but the question posed in the title is not addressed.

    • @superfly19751
      @superfly19751 4 года назад +2

      ajtheown
      He did address it. You need to cash it out, pay 33% tax then you can move it into the Roth.

  • @rdross80
    @rdross80 6 лет назад +10

    After investing into my job's pre-tax 401k for the past 14 years, I regret not knowing about the benefits of a Roth 401k. I just recently switched all of my contributions over to the Roth, but I already have $225k in pre-tax investments that won't be sheltered from taxes once I withdraw. It's obviously not feasible to convert that much money over to the Roth, since my tax bill would be astronomical if I did. I'm just going to have to deal with the fact that that part of retirement won't be tax free.

    • @greatriffishere
      @greatriffishere 6 лет назад +1

      You will only be taxed from your income bracket!!

    • @Excalibur2
      @Excalibur2 5 лет назад +3

      @@greatriffishere if he transfers it all at once though he'll be taxed as if he was in the same bracket as someone making $200k+ per year.

    • @cindymiller5805
      @cindymiller5805 5 лет назад +3

      You don't have to roll it over all at once. I'm going to roll mine over to Roth IRA 60k a year when I retire until I get it all in there. You can take it out anytime you want to and no Required Minimum Distribution when you reach 70.5. Regular IRA and traditional 401k have RMDs.

    • @ashleymarie6682
      @ashleymarie6682 Год назад

      You shouldnt regret it. How he explained it is nor accurate. Tax brackets make or break the plan for Roth. If you are a higher wage earner while working, you have less investing power after taxes therefore a traditional is more beneficial. Roth is more helpful for those workers in lower tax brackets that have relatively more investing power after taxes.

  • @merriem24
    @merriem24 4 года назад +9

    I’m in the process of doing the same thing and the taxes you have to pay upfront is also my dilemma.

    • @davidhochstetler4068
      @davidhochstetler4068 4 года назад +4

      They’ll be a lot higher when you go to take it out later on...

    • @TES-bt8sv
      @TES-bt8sv 3 года назад

      You do not have to pay them upfront. You can wait until you do your annual taxes. Doing this allows the entire amount to start growing tax free right away.

  • @BambooTom
    @BambooTom 3 года назад +5

    If you are working overseas, do be aware that foreign exemption precludes you from contributing to a Roth. That’s a caveat many may not know.

  • @johnedmunds1380
    @johnedmunds1380 3 года назад +2

    12% where please?

  • @youmakemesick0909090
    @youmakemesick0909090 4 года назад +7

    I really like have gentle and informative he was!!! Excellent approach!

  • @HighCountryRambler
    @HighCountryRambler 3 года назад +7

    For my considerations on rolling into a Roth is that lump sum of cash from IRA to Roth is taxed as income. Meaning it likely will put you into a higher tax bracket and (she's retired) it will likely raise your cost of Medicare part-B. Both are based on income. She was clearly unaware but I try to roll each year up to the point of moving into a higher bracket.
    Especially since our election was compromised and the new buyers of the WH are promising higher taxes on all working taxpayers, to afford free stuff handouts. Sorry, but is very applicable to this topic.

  • @johnquinn836
    @johnquinn836 5 лет назад +6

    Great Information!! Have done this a couple times over the years.

  • @bobs182
    @bobs182 4 года назад +1

    The average annual return for the S&P 500 is 10%. This is reduced by mutual fund expenses and one should consider that this market is the longest in history to go without a 20% bear market which will likely dampen future results.

  • @robolson4595
    @robolson4595 5 лет назад +46

    They've got to be federal government employees, with those pensions. No one else can be that stupid and make that much money.

    • @V.E.R.O.
      @V.E.R.O. 4 года назад +3

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @HighCountryRambler
      @HighCountryRambler 3 года назад +3

      WHERE'S HUNTER?

    • @stevek5600
      @stevek5600 3 года назад +1

      @@HighCountryRambler he’s getting that %10 from Burisma

    • @laceywhite4380
      @laceywhite4380 3 года назад +2

      .....and exactly how stupid do you have to be, to attain that level of rudeness?

  • @johnchen0213
    @johnchen0213 4 года назад +2

    Bro. She makes 200k. She needs to put in traditional instead... She is basically at the top tax bracket. Once she retired at 65. Her income would be 0. So she can withdraw 401k as much as she wants in a lower tax bracket. The point is that she's makes 200k.

    • @CampCucumber
      @CampCucumber 3 года назад +1

      Do you know what a pension is? She is retired

  • @blakemirabito9563
    @blakemirabito9563 6 лет назад +8

    Is the time value of money a consideration when choose traditional vs Roth? The taxes later more money now seems like it would have more of a benefit as the size of the contribution increased.

    • @CampCucumber
      @CampCucumber 2 года назад

      If your tax rate remains equal, there is no difference in end value between roth and traditional (you must factor in opportunity cost)

  • @bsm6776
    @bsm6776 3 года назад +8

    Depends what tax bracket you’re in now versus when you retire

    • @glamoc0000
      @glamoc0000 3 года назад

      That's is the key. If you make more now than you will later, traditional is king

  • @themadlibrarian2933
    @themadlibrarian2933 6 лет назад +6

    Traditional IRAs may not be deductible. In that case, you''d pay taxes on the gain, but not on what you contributed. If your IRA is not deductible, you might as well go with a Roth right away.
    Lots of people who are retiring and who have 401(k)s that were tax-deferred are getting ready to pay BIG tax bills. If you are doing a Roth conversion, you can control when you do the conversion.

  • @nsorrentino5
    @nsorrentino5 4 года назад +5

    What was the real benefit of moving to a roth? Instead of paying 30K to roll it, how about just invest the 30k separately?

    • @davidhochstetler4068
      @davidhochstetler4068 4 года назад

      And then pay taxes on all the growth of that 30k too...

    • @BStrambo
      @BStrambo 4 года назад

      @@davidhochstetler4068 Heh, yeah, Nicholas needs to listen to the segment again!

  • @Markazoid6041
    @Markazoid6041 3 года назад +1

    why is it no one answers the question "how do I convert to a roth ira? do I take the cash out ?get a check ? report it on my taxes? special paperwork ? wire transfer ?

    • @same.7939
      @same.7939 3 года назад +2

      Definitely don’t take a check. Call the brokerage that has your trad IRA and they will facilitate the conversion, which can also be in-house, unless you wanted the Roth to be with a different brokerage. They will also explain the tax consequences but will probably advice you to seek further guidance from a tax pro (but tbh you can do the research yourself).

    • @damondiehl5637
      @damondiehl5637 11 месяцев назад +1

      If you can open a Roth account where your assets are currently at, that is easiest. Tell them you want to open a Roth account and convert your assets over. You PROBABLY need to make an estimated tax payment via IRS Form ES1040. If you wait until tax time, if the payment is too large, you will pay a penalty on top of the taxes due. I don't know what the calculation or amount is.
      Schwab and ETrade and Fidelity and Vanguard (and others) all are eager to host your money, so you can open a Roth with any of them and they will be ready, willing and able to walk you through the process of converting an account over to your Roth. I will say that ETrade does not do a good job explaining their process. I had cash ready to pay the estimated tax as part of the conversion, but it wasn't in the right place (it needs to be in the Traditional IRA account), and after futzing around, I just converted the assets and dealt with the tax at tax time. One year that triggered a penalty and another year it didn't.
      If you take a check, that becomes a taxable event and gets added to your income for the year. Bad idea. When I rolled a 401k into an IRA, there was a check involved, but it was not written out to me, and I just forwarded it on to my account.

  • @timvanandel237
    @timvanandel237 6 лет назад +7

    One concern with the Roth option is the amount of time you have to wait until any kind of tax break sets in. I’m 35 and contribute regular to 401k/ traditional IRAs and receive a tax break every year. With my Roth (which I also have) I have 30 + years until I will see a dime of tax breaks so one needs to think about that.

    • @WirelessHotShot
      @WirelessHotShot 5 лет назад +7

      Your tax break is not having to pay taxes on your income when you retire. That outweighs the annual tax breaks you're thinking of.

    • @Excalibur2
      @Excalibur2 5 лет назад

      One thing to consider is are you going to be in a lower tax bracket when you retire? Unless you're in a high tax bracket you're not actually getting a break. On top of that, you don't know what tax bracket you'll actually be in when you retire since they change income tax brackets every decade. Its a "pay me now" vs "pay me an unknown amount later" game.

    • @jordanneedscoffee
      @jordanneedscoffee 5 лет назад +1

      I'm 23 and the ROTH doubles as an emergency savings for me. I only have a few thousand in there and haven't had to dip in yet but I know that if some kind of emergency comes up I can pull my money out to cover it which is great for piece of mind.

    • @transistor281
      @transistor281 2 года назад

      @@jordanneedscoffee with a penalty right?

    • @jordanneedscoffee
      @jordanneedscoffee 2 года назад +2

      @@transistor281 No so long as you don't take more out than you have put in.

  • @asterisk911
    @asterisk911 6 лет назад

    If you're talking about a broad international fund, you may be better off keeping that outside of your retirement account. If the fund is paying dividends that don't get treated as domestic via a tax treaty, then you're going to have dividend tax withheld inside a retirement fund, and you won't be able to get a credit for it on your US taxes. Your Nestle dividend will be taxed at over 30%-- by the Swiss-- and you will lose that advantage. Better to keep US stocks (no withholding, no tax due) inside the IRA (whether Roth or Traditional). Or select international stocks e.g. British ones that don't withhold for US citizens. (NB: I'm assuming that a person has investments both in AND outside of retirement accounts).

  • @williamjohnson1668
    @williamjohnson1668 Год назад

    With a Roth IRA accounts, there it is a 10 percent tax penalty if withdrawn before the age of 60 years old

  • @juju10683
    @juju10683 6 лет назад +4

    After adjusting for inflation expect the $ to double over ten years, not triple.

    • @JustinFromMD
      @JustinFromMD 5 лет назад +3

      More than double even with inflation.
      Inflation is typically around 2-3%. If we did receive 12% returns minus inflation take the higher to be conservative (12-3=9%)- using the rule of 72 we would expect money to double in about 8 years.
      But the bigger wrong assumption is continuously getting 12%.

    • @MS-wh5lt
      @MS-wh5lt 3 года назад

      @@JustinFromMD You are correct sir! Market average going back to 1929 is 8% but in his example you are easily beating the market every year and why wouldn't everyone put their money in these mutual funds?

  • @erodz2943
    @erodz2943 7 лет назад +73

    12%!!!!!!
    yeah right.

    • @_maj3stic239
      @_maj3stic239 6 лет назад +4

      well he did say it was an example not guranteed

    • @patandbrandi
      @patandbrandi 6 лет назад +3

      Over lifetime it's definetly possible. She doesn't have that much time left in case we crash to recover. Now just this year she would have made 25% but that's not normal.

    • @canitogalicia
      @canitogalicia 6 лет назад +7

      E Rodriguez ,,,, numbers don’t lie,,,,,invest on the history percentage of returns,for the last 10, years....a lot of people invest on the name of mutual fund...example.....a return on a mutual fund in 2000, was 10 %, in 2010 was 15%, now in 2018 is 17%,,,, where do you think is going to be in 2020.....???20%?,,,,,17%,,,,,or 15%,,,,,where ever it go it goes is better than 10 %.......go to vanguard..com...

    • @Excalibur2
      @Excalibur2 5 лет назад

      @@patandbrandi Over the lifetime that is incredibly unlikely, unless of course you could predict the future and only buy on the low crashes and sell at peak.

    • @mbekka1
      @mbekka1 5 лет назад

      For the age 50 and up especially at 60 it grows way faster , check out the Roth IRA calculator and you will notice ..

  • @ivanvargas2425
    @ivanvargas2425 2 года назад +1

    Man I still don’t get it.

  • @vizzyMcExee
    @vizzyMcExee 4 года назад +11

    Graduated college 2 years ago and 2 years into my career, trapped in a lease until next year, renting unfortunately. I'm saving to buy a car in cash and paying off my student loans(62k -> 54k). Started off small with a roth. $10 per paycheck. 2 years later it's ballooned up to about $500. Is this alot? No. Absolutely not. Is this alot for just a little? Yes. Goal for 2020? Get to under 40k in student loans , own a decent car and save my darned emergency fund. NO MORE LEASES! NO MORE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK! X^(

  • @djBC10000
    @djBC10000 5 лет назад +19

    I dont think she got it, just sayingggg....

  • @lawsonj39
    @lawsonj39 3 года назад +18

    He's defining the difference between a traditional IRA and a Roth, not explaining how to move from one to the other.

    • @timlist4173
      @timlist4173 3 года назад

      moving it is easy, just tell the holder of your TIRA to move how much to a RIRA. Not hard at all, just have to pay the taxes, and he did explain that.

  • @nickstrapko7549
    @nickstrapko7549 2 года назад

    Keepit where it is and look for a better fund

  • @goldisrealmoney6658
    @goldisrealmoney6658 4 года назад +3

    Only difference Is you pay taxes now or later and I didn’t need a 10 minute video to explain. It.

  • @marc8vino
    @marc8vino 19 дней назад

    So if you roll from a IRA to a Roth there is no limit? I thought there was a limit. I don't the moving fund to the Roth vs getting the annual Roth. I thought the Limit in 2024 is $8,000.00 for someone over 51? Transferring money is different?

  • @julied915
    @julied915 2 года назад

    Great information. Big help👍

  • @galloe
    @galloe 4 года назад +3

    I really want to help my mom as she's set to retire within 3 years. She's got a 457b, and I have no idea how much she has in it, so let's just use a nice even $300k. What are her options? Is there any reason why she would want to move it to either type of IRA? Should she just stay with the 457b? Would there be any difference in the amount taxes she'd have to pay at this point?

  • @IISAGEMODEII
    @IISAGEMODEII 6 лет назад +2

    I just started my 401k with my company . they contribute the 6% a dollar for a dollar ....how do I make my money grow ? They take about $107 every check

  • @Noone-dc9si
    @Noone-dc9si 5 лет назад +2

    Any additional resources you all would recommend to understand these things more

  • @Jechum
    @Jechum 2 года назад +5

    Does anyone know if Ramsey has provided his thoughts on a Roth Conversion after baby steps are completed?

    • @damondiehl5637
      @damondiehl5637 11 месяцев назад

      He will tell you when you are at the baby step 4 (invest 15% of your income) to do it in Roth accounts. Lots of employers offer Roth 401ks, now. Their match has to go into a Traditional 401k, though.

  • @theleadquote5372
    @theleadquote5372 5 лет назад +5

    Don’t roll it. Move how it is invested. Just start up a Roth with new money and keep the traditional but invest it different.

    • @deboman81
      @deboman81 5 лет назад

      The Lead Quote just out of curiosity, why would you prefer not rolling it to an Roth and starting adding new money?

    • @dangreen7709
      @dangreen7709 4 года назад

      The Lead Quote if they are making $200k, they are nor eligible to open a Roth with new money. They can convert a traditional 401k though

  • @williamjohnson1668
    @williamjohnson1668 Год назад

    A broker can actually lose his license if he or she lies or gives bad information to a customer. Insider trading is when a person a business owner and invests based off of information of how that business is performing. Meaning: you cannot invest in your own company.

    • @williamjohnson1668
      @williamjohnson1668 Год назад

      The bank gives you a list of companies to invest in and cannot give advice on it

  • @douglasthompson9070
    @douglasthompson9070 6 лет назад +14

    200K on pensions? Why do you need an IRA? If I have 200K coming in on pensions, I'd be retired and living the good life!

    • @analienfromouterspace
      @analienfromouterspace 5 лет назад +1

      inflation, better rebalance retirement accounts.

    • @bmf0354
      @bmf0354 5 лет назад +6

      I was utterly shocked when she said 200k given her lack of financial understanding. I highly suspect that figure is inaccurate!

  • @alrocky
    @alrocky 7 лет назад +16

    He doesn't ask the important questions up front like what is the traditional IRA invested in, age and her tax bracket. She likely doesn't benefit from an traditional IRA to Roth IRA conversion.
    @ 1:30"... get...returns like what the stock market does..." - yet he doesn't bother to suggest she simply invest in an S&P 500 or Total US Stock Market mutual fund. That is better than his tired and obsolete offering 5 seconds earlier.

    • @jaZzyjeff818
      @jaZzyjeff818 4 года назад +3

      Al Rocky I’ve always wondered this myself. Maybe he has to be more vague for legal reasons?

    • @otsoko66
      @otsoko66 3 года назад +1

      @@jaZzyjeff818 A part of his business model is charging his 'local providers' for the referrals (he's upfront about this, it's not a secret). You don't need a 'local provider' to go online and buy low-fee index funds.

  • @danpike7980
    @danpike7980 Год назад +1

    What if 20 years from now they change the law and say sorry folks, you know that Roth IRA you already paid taxes on? Well, because of national austerity measures, we need to tax you on it again. A similar thing happened in Greece in 2008.

  • @kylelaw7210
    @kylelaw7210 Год назад

    $60k at 12% for 10 years is more around $180k tax free.

  • @emptybottleof151
    @emptybottleof151 Год назад +1

    I wish Ramsey would ask what ppl do for a living. $200k a year in pensions?! What do they do?!

  • @ESponge2000
    @ESponge2000 5 лет назад

    I much prefer the Roth, BUT if you are already in a traditional, let it sit. Then start a New Roth IRA and forget rolling the old one. It’s not MUCH better just slightly better to be in a Roth and better to not roll what you already did no matter which one it’s already in. I’ll explain why. Even though in a Roth the investment gains are tax free, the amount of starting principal upon which the investment is growing will be reduced by the non-tax-deductibility at the beginning and that washes out the benefit of saying the gain is tax free, the amount of all that investment gain all the way out till withdrawal is also reduced proportionally in a Roth by the fact that your starting principal will be less given the same money you contribute from gross income. All it comes down to instead is will your marginal tax bracket be higher or lower at withdrawal time. And both IRAs are usually better tax-wise than a non-IRA where the contributions are like a Roth but the withdrawals are taxed at 15% capital gain

  • @justaskmeiknow5584
    @justaskmeiknow5584 3 года назад +1

    I'm not going to watch the video...comments is where the entertainment is

  • @askhowiknow5527
    @askhowiknow5527 6 лет назад +21

    If you earn a percentage under inflation-you’re technically earning less than nothing

    • @Excalibur2
      @Excalibur2 5 лет назад +11

      but, you're also losing less than you would holding cash

  • @brianbirish
    @brianbirish 3 года назад +1

    I like Dave but it's annoying how him and a lot of financial advisors get people so excited with unrealistic projections like 12% average return over the next 10 years. For one thing,even 100% in stock would not likely average 12% over 10 years and for another at 60 years old she would most likely be in a balanced mutual fund and might average 4-6%.

    • @mikeberg5003
      @mikeberg5003 3 года назад +2

      He tosses that 12% figure around like it's a given. It's insane

  • @morenaczarnecki5066
    @morenaczarnecki5066 Год назад

    I have so many questions about this Ira I am not hearing the answer on any of the videos

  • @nancymorrison9978
    @nancymorrison9978 5 лет назад +3

    Question... If you move it to an IRA and it's taxed, is it going to be counted as income on your next year's tax return

    • @timlist4173
      @timlist4173 3 года назад

      Well it will be counted as income for the year you move it.

  • @sambaranowska4303
    @sambaranowska4303 2 года назад

    Not sure I can handle this myself, are there brokers who do this for others professionally ?

  • @Mjansen77
    @Mjansen77 5 лет назад

    Easy numbers, in ten years at 10% increase (average) figure you will increase from 2.5-3 times the original amount ie 125k -> 324k = increase of 259%

    • @philipgerry5228
      @philipgerry5228 4 года назад

      Yes. The biggest mistake is to wait and do nothing.

  • @kb81ccme15
    @kb81ccme15 4 года назад +6

    I wonder if the same would apply by having a traditional TSP and wanting to move it into a Roth TSP ? I only have 13,000 in it so far but can't imagine coming up with money to pay taxes on it upfront.

    • @alrocky
      @alrocky 4 года назад +7

      You cannot currently convert your traditional Thrift Savings Plan to a Roth Thrift Savings Plan. You'd most likely be better off just contributing to your Roth TSP account.

  • @Banana69999
    @Banana69999 3 года назад

    Why does he recommend her to cash flow 15k this year and 15k next year? Isn’t it more comfortable to just to deduct it off your profits when you take it out?

  • @user-hn9qg5qm3o
    @user-hn9qg5qm3o Год назад

    Where is the best place to open up a Roth IRA account? Through the personal bank or should one go through a separate entity like Fidelity Investment?

    • @damondiehl5637
      @damondiehl5637 11 месяцев назад

      There is no "best" place. I personally would use a platform like ETrade or Vanguard or Fidelity or ScottTrade. I don't know of any benefit of one over the other. You can do it all online, so it is really accessible. I don't have any experience with an IRA through a bank, but it seems like it would be harder to acquire investments like stocks, and I assume a bank would politic you pretty hard to let them advise you and to have you buy their products.
      One platform I would recommend AGAINST is Robin Hood.
      I have an ETrade account. Inside of that I have a regular trading account, a rollover Traditional IRA and a Roth IRA. The rollover Traditional IRA was created when I rolled a 401k from an employer to my ETrade account. I have since moved some of the stock in my rollover Traditional IRA to my Roth IRA. I did it at the start of the COVID crisis, when the market tanked. The tax bill from the conversion was a lot smaller that way.
      My current employer offers a Roth 401k. Lots of companies now offer that. The company match portion has to go into a Traditional 401k, but my contributions go into a Roth.
      Fidelity does a lot of the administration for employer 401ks. If Fidelity manages your 401k program at work. I would go with them.

  • @susanalexander4683
    @susanalexander4683 2 года назад +2

    Great segment. All ELPs don't necessarily teach. Some of them invest for you but don't really have time to teach.

  • @TR4zest
    @TR4zest 4 года назад +33

    You don't explain what you claim in the title - how to move to a Roth.

    • @Billybillybillyrocking
      @Billybillybillyrocking 4 года назад +2

      Technicalities no. But the info about the costs associated with moving definitely helped people understand more. If you needed step by step instructions Google has that.

  • @roadrunner40
    @roadrunner40 6 лет назад +2

    I had the same question. But even in the caller's situation I don see the benefit of converting. I decided it was better to reduce my 401k contribution and apply the difference to my Roth. I just can't reconcile saving taxes now only to pay taxes 20 years from now at triple the rate? I feel its a dirty shame you have gamble with your savings in order to "ensure" your future.

  • @thisisme2476
    @thisisme2476 5 лет назад +2

    What investment pays 12%?

  • @MsPokiepie
    @MsPokiepie 5 лет назад +16

    I am shocked at how much bad advice is on here in the comments. Lol. People that dont grasp the concepts, talking like they do. . .

  • @moxeyjc
    @moxeyjc 6 лет назад +2

    I have so much to learn. I would have understood more of that if it were in Polish and I don't speak Polish.

    • @chipanddale93
      @chipanddale93 5 лет назад

      I speak Polish and it didnt help :')

    • @MS-wh5lt
      @MS-wh5lt 3 года назад

      It boils down to this. Converting from a traditional to a Roth IRA means you will pay taxes now rather than pay them later. Why would you want to do that? Because more than likely this is as low as taxes will ever be. Taxes are going to go up in the future. So now is a great time to look into making the switch. Talk to a financial advisor and a CPA to see if it's right for you.

  • @THEVOICEOFTHECHOSENONETVSHOW
    @THEVOICEOFTHECHOSENONETVSHOW 6 лет назад +4

    Well explained Dave! Thanks for sharing, Sir!

    • @ashleymarie6682
      @ashleymarie6682 Год назад

      He explained it well but it’s incorrect. Roth is after tax meaning you inherently have less up front investing power than with traditional. The math is in tax brackets when investing compared to when retired.

  • @hlender
    @hlender 6 лет назад +1

    I have two Grandchildren 26 yrs and 23 yrs. Which is best, IRA or Roth IRA? Also, arrange so that they can't touch it until they turn 50 yrs old. Do you have a video that covers this? Thank you.

  • @sybilalden3655
    @sybilalden3655 4 года назад

    I don't understand when you say have to pay taxes on the money put in after they taxed the income made to put in to the roth

  • @pgbollwerk
    @pgbollwerk 4 года назад +2

    They are both retired and are making 200k a year? wow!

    • @juliamundt101
      @juliamundt101 3 года назад

      She started to say she didn’t know how much they make, then said $200k with a question Mark ... my guess if they both have a pension, than it’s half that.
      (I’m a 2-pension household)

  • @cerbico12
    @cerbico12 5 лет назад +1

    I want to make 12%/yr for the next 10 years. That is even better than Madoffs 10%/yr. As of today my accounts are up 2% for the year and I am glad they are in the black. I will see where they are at at years end. I have lived through 4 recession in my life and to count on a 12% return/yr for a 10 yea time frame is loony tunes. Over a 40 year time frame yes, but not over a 10 years, I think this very foolish. JMO but please let me know how you are doing it.

  • @jannsgarcia9586
    @jannsgarcia9586 Год назад

    Idk how much I have if it comes out be a dollar or seven I'm go crazy bkus I don't understand this at all

  • @ZzHasbrozZ
    @ZzHasbrozZ 5 лет назад +1

    With a traditional IRA are dividends and interest taxed at a capital gain tax rate versus what you put in being taxed at a income tax rate?

    • @dangreen7709
      @dangreen7709 4 года назад

      ZzHasbrozZ withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income

  • @mattbman
    @mattbman 4 года назад +1

    The part he forgot to ask was how much of it was employer contributed, because that part is not taxable.

  • @vickiehenson7524
    @vickiehenson7524 4 года назад +2

    If I had her money I'd retire now! I'm sure these people are Dr and lawyers ! I'll never do anything but hope and pray now! Thanks for the update!

  • @survivalistnomad9507
    @survivalistnomad9507 5 лет назад +1

    I have Roth IRA account, traditional IRA account and 457 B account. I'm 61, retiring end of this year and moving overseas. What's the best way to close all these accounts, take my money and move?

    • @SanchezS1998
      @SanchezS1998 5 лет назад

      Survivalist Nomad Not an expert, but as far as the Roth is concerned, I would transfer the sum to a Charles Schwab Investor Checking Account (whose debit card has no foreign transaction or ATM fees), and I’m honestly not informed enough to know why to do with the 457B.
      The idea would be that if you choose to bank with someone else in that foreign country, Schwab would make it easy since their customer support is top notch, or you could just leave it there since you won’t get dinged for foreign transactions or ATM withdrawals.
      Make sure to opt out of margin trading if you do decide to open the checking account or else it’ll ding your credit with a hard inquiry.
      Watch Ask Sebby or Credit Shifu’s video’s for more info on that specific account.
      Signed,
      Not an expert, but someone who cares.

  • @goldengriffon
    @goldengriffon Год назад

    Once again, Ramsey talks about rolling into a Roth without raising the topic of tax brackets at all. All that seems to matter to his audience is that "less taxes" sounds good, but it's not always true. Depending on how their income changes, rolling over might not be enough of a gain to be worth the early tax payment, and could actually leave them with less money when it's all said and done.

  • @bigdogboos1
    @bigdogboos1 6 лет назад +3

    so to clarify ... if you use already taxed dollars to put in the roth, is it still taxed later (not the growth)? Or do you put into it tax free, and just take out the taxes later on the initial input?

    • @alrocky
      @alrocky 5 лет назад +4

      Roth IRAs are not taxed at retirement.

    • @floresnashvilledrummer
      @floresnashvilledrummer 2 года назад

      You will not be taxed on it at retirement. Your contribution has already been taxed with your earned income from your paycheck.

  • @TopFloorPM
    @TopFloorPM 3 года назад

    Yeah but how do I open a Roth Ira account that's what I thought you were going to explain

  • @tonimhamilton2072
    @tonimhamilton2072 4 года назад +17

    I came here to learn how to invest after listening to a guy on radio talk about the importance of investing and how he made $520,000 in 3 month from $150k, somehow this video has helped clarify some things, but I still am confused, I'm a newbie and I'm open to ideas on how to invest for retirement.

    • @taylorgreen5908
      @taylorgreen5908 4 года назад +1

      have a goal in mind that you aim to achieve from investing and work towards that

    • @emilyhowe3359
      @emilyhowe3359 4 года назад

      Have a tutor or mentor on standby, someone you can reach out to for assistance

    • @feliciasherbert989
      @feliciasherbert989 4 года назад +1

      As a 1st generation investor and considering the fact that beginners are prone to mistakes I reached out to a consultant for help, as far as my journey goes, investing is much easier when you have proper guidance, since January till now, I have made at least $200,000 in profit, not much compared to the investor you mentioned but its a good start for me

    • @robinsonbaker1963
      @robinsonbaker1963 4 года назад

      @@feliciasherbert989 200 grand is not much? I would literally kill to have that amount right now in my bank account, just kidding, congrats on your success

    • @tonimhamilton2072
      @tonimhamilton2072 4 года назад +1

      @@feliciasherbert989 Please do you mind leaving me your consultant’s contact info? or preferably I can also leave you my email if that suits you better

  • @DustinSilva
    @DustinSilva 2 года назад

    She makes 200k combined yearly off pension and only has 90k in an IRA? crikey

  • @richardcoleman5889
    @richardcoleman5889 3 года назад +1

    Opened a index fund for $3000 do I pay taxes on this and what about the growth? I’m 62 should I open up a Roth account and how much can I investing it every year?

    • @alrocky
      @alrocky 3 года назад +2

      Q1 If that $3,000 were invested in a traditional IRA you would owe zero taxes.
      Q2 If you or your spouse is working you can invest *$7,000* into a traditional or Roth IRA. *"Should"* cannot be properly answered without more information.

  • @flanker0761
    @flanker0761 5 лет назад +69

    Amazing, she has 90k tied up in something she doesn’t understand at all

    • @pp-oi3on
      @pp-oi3on 5 лет назад +17

      Good problem to have

    • @nancymorrison9978
      @nancymorrison9978 5 лет назад +33

      I have the same problem. I didn't educate myself on how a 401k works. Now I'm trying to figure out the best way to move it to a Roth IRA. You can't fault us for not knowing what we don't know. But when we know we try to do better.

    • @galloe
      @galloe 4 года назад +12

      I assume that's the case for a huge percentage of the population.

    • @ashleyhavoc1940
      @ashleyhavoc1940 4 года назад +2

      Yesssss. Boomers are fascinating creatures!

    • @newtonraymond77
      @newtonraymond77 4 года назад +10

      It's not a crime, there are people who are $200000 or more in debt but are considered intelligent because they have papers on the wall that suggests that

  • @glamoc0000
    @glamoc0000 3 года назад +1

    It makes 12% a year in mutual funds? Are you ok Dave?

  • @Observe555
    @Observe555 10 месяцев назад

    Love how he flippantly throws around double digit returns like it’s common 🤣

    • @cullenmayes3370
      @cullenmayes3370 10 месяцев назад

      The S&P does about 11% on average

    • @Observe555
      @Observe555 10 месяцев назад

      @@cullenmayes3370what’s your point? So if one invests $100,000 in an S&P 500 index fund on 1-1-2024, it will be worth $111,000 on 12-31-2024? Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

  • @gozillatrade5178
    @gozillatrade5178 3 года назад +1

    I'm in a predicament. My wife and I contributed the max 7000 each in a Roth IRA early 2020, but during the year I've unexpectedly netted over 400K from stocks plus over 100K in regular wage income. I believe I would be ineligible to have invested in the Roths IRAs? What can or must I do?

    • @Randy-rs1cg
      @Randy-rs1cg 3 года назад

      why would you do that knowing you have 100k income and invested in that much stock. move it to a traditional ira or take it out. its just $7k

  • @enzoamore9173
    @enzoamore9173 5 лет назад +1

    Should I open a Roth IRA with Fidelity/Schwab/TD Ameritrade?

    • @MS-wh5lt
      @MS-wh5lt 3 года назад

      Depending on how much money you have, I would suggest a independent financial advisor. If you don't have a lot those 3 are basically the same they are all very cheap and that's what matters if you don't have a lot. A lot meaning a minimum of $50,000

  • @ludovikopeluche8448
    @ludovikopeluche8448 5 лет назад +3

    How does 90k turn into 400,000 in ten years at 12%?

  • @MMMmyshawarma
    @MMMmyshawarma 6 лет назад +22

    60 y.o., 90k total. Prob too late.

    • @alexsimon915
      @alexsimon915 6 лет назад +9

      sadly most people don't even have that

    • @TryNSave
      @TryNSave 5 лет назад

      Many people would love to have 200 K.

    • @vasaguy7624
      @vasaguy7624 5 лет назад +5

      But somehow she has $200,000 a year in pension income. Something does not add up right.

    • @somecallmetim46
      @somecallmetim46 3 года назад

      Luckily she can get SS cuz it hasn’t defaulted yet...

  • @ddh158
    @ddh158 5 лет назад +3

    who makes 12% that is unreal

    • @jjaytroche123
      @jjaytroche123 5 лет назад +1

      You can never make and/or be given 12% but you can AVERAGE 12% over the duration of many years 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼