What would be great to see is a Torghast style system to act as a controlled environment for the community to test out potential Boss and Trash mechanics as well as featured class/spec reworks. A huge culmination of art assets throughout all existing expansions with unique level designs that take inspiration from all of warcraft. They can tease snippets of future zones/lore and give unique transmogs all while giving us a chance to test out future changes.
Havoc just can't catch a break and is almost forgotten by blizz I'm maining ret and havoc is my favorite alt but I can clearly see the difference between these two when it comes to damage
Demonic intensity works exactly as it's worded on the tooltip now. Which probably is what they intended, but i think that is a massive design flaw. Because it means we always loose out on the last dmg buff, which is the highest dmg buff in the chain. So the dmg loss becomes exponential
@@VooDooSaurus 100% agree, it's so bad now that i have actually thought about quit playing entirely because the spec is so bug ridden it's just not fun anymore.
@bojnebojnebojne I've gone back to Aldratchi reaver and had good success. The more i play it the more ive come to accept it. I do miss the juicy eye beams though from FS.
@@fordr1 Yhaa i just feel like Aldrachi Reaver is lacking a bit. Like the soul generation isn't quite there imo. Like we have no real burst and we don't do on par sustained dmg to that of other classes. So what is the purpose of the spec i feel like? Sure it's tankier than FS, but what is the purpose and role of AR Havoc in a key and what comp would AR fit in?
@bojnebojnebojne hard to argue against any of those points because i agree. It definitely needs work, ive just been finding success playing it is all. It definitely doesnt have the burst of FR and i think without this set bonus resetting death sweep more inherent issues with how it plays shine through. Our class needs help all around as many have detailed. However i think so long as they try to shove all these playstyles into one dps spec, we will face these types of issues.
Happy Anniversary! Let me tell you what is happening with the spec. Some of us true Havoc believers are still around going down with our ship. Every rational person has already jumped ship :P
Do you agree if they made throw glaive baseline like the 4set in DF and allowed all the other talent choices aldrachi and fel scarred would be the most fun builds to make
If their goal was to make Focus hatred give you some prio dmg with demon surge why have it reduce by 10% for each additional target? why not have it simply always do 50% more to your primary target? This is what i think is throwing people off and we asumed it would mean better cleave for demonsurge not just more prio dmg.
I had to "give up" my Dh. I upgraded my shaman enhance and that's it. It's much easier to find pugs in 12+ than in dh. Blizzard apparently really forgot to us DH
@@thomaskruger547 changes to the class and spec tree. Everyone got hero talents, and to be honest they didn’t really even change havoc that much, we just hold all our buttons now
@@VooDooSaurus I love ragefire. so get the immo proc chance back up and get a completly refill on all immo stacks is so nice or big aoe pulls in keys. ;) If our 2nd Hero tree would be good and playable it would have helped us a lot with only one talent tree. The thing that annoys me a lot are just the numbers. We are bad in st and for cleave there are better options too. So best is to minimize havocs in raid. For all encounter. A lot of bugs or not bugs are just wrong tooltips. They can keep the bugs in just give me dmg. :D Btw in my head i am ranting all the time about havoc perfomance atm i hope we get something soon. As always thx for your havoc work. ;) I guess with more attention to havoc maybe we get more from blizz just a small hope no clue if it is reasonable.
Feels like half of the changes to havoc since beta havent been publicly posted by blizzard. Maybe they've already tried to tell us some wonderful news about a rework or something, and it just vanished into the void lol.
To me we just got scamed with the "rework" if they call it so, they had literally no idea and spread things we had baseline into 50 differents talents.
@@fouifoui9064 right? the rewoek felt really good half bc of the teir set we had in s3-4 now it feels turbo ass. still i think better then df s1-2 but not by a lot dropping that galive teir set
@@armormaster88 Season 3 and 4 tierset is the only reason why we would use glaives talents, who the fuck wants to play throw glaives as main ability. At this point i suggest adding the tierset effect as talent if they want us to use throw glaives talents. Also our tunning is shit as hell. Not even mentionning the damage we do outside of meta is almost 0.
Tbh i don’t think blizzard cares about havoc at all. I was one of the people to never switch spec but cba anymore. I went enchancement and man i feel strong, fun to play and wanted by groups. Basically all things opposite of havoc…
f... demonsurge, make it a 2% dps increase and not out top dps source in keys, buff our baseline abilities and fix our ST to not be dogshit if you miss 1-2 gcds
At times it feels like Demo at the end of WoD where blizz outright said "We dont want you playing Demo" ahead of the Legion rework Or maybe im just high on the 3rd spec hopium...
Are we even sure there is a DH developer at this point? I don't like to be a doomer but man. It really feels bad right now. 1 year of no changes, bugs out the wazoo, icon changes done wrong on release, soul cleave missing sound since 11.0.5, middling to poor damage for performing a rocket science level opener, no 3rd spec after evoker got theirs less than a year after introduction, no flight form DESPITE HAVING WINGS, massive player divide on mover vs. no mover with seemingly no intention of changing the class (or introducing a 3rd spec to split these camps), rushed/disfunctional hero trees both of which aren't great but we are so caught up on hating aldrachi that noone has realized how bland Fel Scarred is, zero visuals for hero trees (unless you count icons and a green fart), vengeance has ZERO alternative to frailty for defensive or offensive capabilities, havoc having no leech with no compensation makes it feel really squishy. I could keep going. I remember when hero trees were announced. I would check the patch notes each week to look for DH and it never came. That is until about a month out when AR was shown for the first time (and the sentiment was "this sucks, i hope the other one is better"). Then we got fel scarred and it received most of the attention because of how hated AR was. We had like 2 weeks to get stuff changed before the patch went live. There was NO time for changes and none came. It has come to the point where I check patch notes and wait to click the minimize for DK thinking "Show me druid" because thats the only thing that shows up. I love DH and I want to keep playing it but could we please get some attention from the devs. I know the previous lead dev for DH/Rogue left (or was promoted? idk but i know they don't have their position as DH dev anymore) and it feels like they were never replaced. I saw a comment the other day, someone compiled all the changes to DH in a word document and it came out to a page or so of changes. They did the same for mage and they had over 12 pages of changes in the last year. Like really?!?! I know mage has received some pretty substantial reworks but still. That is a MASSIVE disparity in attention from developers especially when you consider the complaints raised by the DH community.
Not gonna lie, doing same videos as jedith twice in a row is not looking that great, I know you might've not even know who he is or didnt copy him, but try to be a bit faster so it doesn't look like that.
@@ekyso2607 buddy LMAO I recorded this before he even posted it, but it’s just based on my posting schedule. We’re friends and cover the same things, it happens sometimes in the reverse too. I’m not copying him My last two videos have also been something on fel barrage and a survival hunter guide, neither of which jedith has made
What would be great to see is a Torghast style system to act as a controlled environment for the community to test out potential Boss and Trash mechanics as well as featured class/spec reworks.
A huge culmination of art assets throughout all existing expansions with unique level designs that take inspiration from all of warcraft.
They can tease snippets of future zones/lore and give unique transmogs all while giving us a chance to test out future changes.
@@sioc7478 ya that would be sick, tired of org dummies.
Doubt it happens tho
Bugs and all, I still love my DH - thx for the updates dude
I know we are in a rough spot right now, but we have to keep believing they have something huge cooking up. Stay strong 💪
@@JambalayaDrKelso 11.1 🙏
@@VooDooSaurus 2028 dh get reworked but its not 100% info tho
Havoc just can't catch a break and is almost forgotten by blizz I'm maining ret and havoc is my favorite alt but I can clearly see the difference between these two when it comes to damage
They just view our bugs as class design features at this point
@@fordr1 this is literally true because of the restless hunter thing lol
Personally excited for the AR guide if youre still doing it!
@@PatrickxFuego probably next Friday, didn’t have time for it to be the Monday video
I read the new Focused Hatred as 50% increase to target 1, then 40% to 2, 30 to 3, 20 to 4 and the 5th target takes 10% dropped off
Demonic intensity works exactly as it's worded on the tooltip now.
Which probably is what they intended, but i think that is a massive design flaw.
Because it means we always loose out on the last dmg buff, which is the highest dmg buff in the chain.
So the dmg loss becomes exponential
also very misleading, which i dont really like
@@VooDooSaurus 100% agree, it's so bad now that i have actually thought about quit playing entirely because the spec is so bug ridden it's just not fun anymore.
@bojnebojnebojne I've gone back to Aldratchi reaver and had good success. The more i play it the more ive come to accept it. I do miss the juicy eye beams though from FS.
@@fordr1 Yhaa i just feel like Aldrachi Reaver is lacking a bit.
Like the soul generation isn't quite there imo.
Like we have no real burst and we don't do on par sustained dmg to that of other classes.
So what is the purpose of the spec i feel like?
Sure it's tankier than FS, but what is the purpose and role of AR Havoc in a key and what comp would AR fit in?
@bojnebojnebojne hard to argue against any of those points because i agree. It definitely needs work, ive just been finding success playing it is all. It definitely doesnt have the burst of FR and i think without this set bonus resetting death sweep more inherent issues with how it plays shine through.
Our class needs help all around as many have detailed. However i think so long as they try to shove all these playstyles into one dps spec, we will face these types of issues.
Happy Anniversary! Let me tell you what is happening with the spec. Some of us true Havoc believers are still around going down with our ship. Every rational person has already jumped ship :P
I agree
Do you agree if they made throw glaive baseline like the 4set in DF and allowed all the other talent choices aldrachi and fel scarred would be the most fun builds to make
If their goal was to make Focus hatred give you some prio dmg with demon surge why have it reduce by 10% for each additional target? why not have it simply always do 50% more to your primary target? This is what i think is throwing people off and we asumed it would mean better cleave for demonsurge not just more prio dmg.
@@Eleriol84 yup 100%, the talent just makes NO sense and lacks QoL for no reason other than “we’re demon hunters”
I had to "give up" my Dh. I upgraded my shaman enhance and that's it. It's much easier to find pugs in 12+ than in dh. Blizzard apparently really forgot to us DH
its been over a year since we got changes to our class or spec tree!
I think you mean changes in comparission with other classes.
We got hero skill tracks this season and that changes a lot.
@@thomaskruger547 changes to the class and spec tree.
Everyone got hero talents, and to be honest they didn’t really even change havoc that much, we just hold all our buttons now
@@VooDooSaurus I love ragefire. so get the immo proc chance back up and get a completly refill on all immo stacks is so nice or big aoe pulls in keys. ;)
If our 2nd Hero tree would be good and playable it would have helped us a lot with only one talent tree. The thing that annoys me a lot are just the numbers. We are bad in st and for cleave there are better options too. So best is to minimize havocs in raid. For all encounter.
A lot of bugs or not bugs are just wrong tooltips. They can keep the bugs in just give me dmg. :D
Btw in my head i am ranting all the time about havoc perfomance atm i hope we get something soon.
As always thx for your havoc work. ;)
I guess with more attention to havoc maybe we get more from blizz just a small hope no clue if it is reasonable.
Feels like half of the changes to havoc since beta havent been publicly posted by blizzard. Maybe they've already tried to tell us some wonderful news about a rework or something, and it just vanished into the void lol.
would be insane if true lol
Blizzard needs to wake up fast, they need to revive havoc, feels sooooo forgotten.....
Like everyone else I'm just waiting for a big talent rework at this point, it's all so uninspired compared to other melee specs.
To me we just got scamed with the "rework" if they call it so, they had literally no idea and spread things we had baseline into 50 differents talents.
@@fouifoui9064 right? the rewoek felt really good half bc of the teir set we had in s3-4 now it feels turbo ass. still i think better then df s1-2 but not by a lot dropping that galive teir set
@@armormaster88 Season 3 and 4 tierset is the only reason why we would use glaives talents, who the fuck wants to play throw glaives as main ability. At this point i suggest adding the tierset effect as talent if they want us to use throw glaives talents.
Also our tunning is shit as hell. Not even mentionning the damage we do outside of meta is almost 0.
Tbh i don’t think blizzard cares about havoc at all. I was one of the people to never switch spec but cba anymore. I went enchancement and man i feel strong, fun to play and wanted by groups. Basically all things opposite of havoc…
I want blade dance and annihilation to do more damage pls like in old good times
Imagine paying monthly subscribtion for this s tier dev team
Dh players gotta work twice as hard as other melee to still do way less dmg lol
Time to play to another game until season 2 or 3 :)
Where tf is reelz we need him back asap
Probably playing PoE
Anyone got way more bugs with dash and backflip? On one dungeon i had 2 times dash through whole map and 1 time backflip also thriugh whole map 😢😢
@@katarzynakoti4154 backflip I haven’t encountered that, but ya fel rush does that kinda all the time
To be honest, it never stopped…
f... demonsurge, make it a 2% dps increase and not out top dps source in keys, buff our baseline abilities and fix our ST to not be dogshit if you miss 1-2 gcds
At times it feels like Demo at the end of WoD where blizz outright said "We dont want you playing Demo" ahead of the Legion rework
Or maybe im just high on the 3rd spec hopium...
Are we even sure there is a DH developer at this point? I don't like to be a doomer but man. It really feels bad right now. 1 year of no changes, bugs out the wazoo, icon changes done wrong on release, soul cleave missing sound since 11.0.5, middling to poor damage for performing a rocket science level opener, no 3rd spec after evoker got theirs less than a year after introduction, no flight form DESPITE HAVING WINGS, massive player divide on mover vs. no mover with seemingly no intention of changing the class (or introducing a 3rd spec to split these camps), rushed/disfunctional hero trees both of which aren't great but we are so caught up on hating aldrachi that noone has realized how bland Fel Scarred is, zero visuals for hero trees (unless you count icons and a green fart), vengeance has ZERO alternative to frailty for defensive or offensive capabilities, havoc having no leech with no compensation makes it feel really squishy. I could keep going.
I remember when hero trees were announced. I would check the patch notes each week to look for DH and it never came. That is until about a month out when AR was shown for the first time (and the sentiment was "this sucks, i hope the other one is better"). Then we got fel scarred and it received most of the attention because of how hated AR was. We had like 2 weeks to get stuff changed before the patch went live. There was NO time for changes and none came.
It has come to the point where I check patch notes and wait to click the minimize for DK thinking "Show me druid" because thats the only thing that shows up.
I love DH and I want to keep playing it but could we please get some attention from the devs. I know the previous lead dev for DH/Rogue left (or was promoted? idk but i know they don't have their position as DH dev anymore) and it feels like they were never replaced. I saw a comment the other day, someone compiled all the changes to DH in a word document and it came out to a page or so of changes. They did the same for mage and they had over 12 pages of changes in the last year. Like really?!?! I know mage has received some pretty substantial reworks but still. That is a MASSIVE disparity in attention from developers especially when you consider the complaints raised by the DH community.
Im getting so sick of this im just at the point of saying fk it and swap to death knight :/ just why blizz
Not gonna lie, doing same videos as jedith twice in a row is not looking that great, I know you might've not even know who he is or didnt copy him, but try to be a bit faster so it doesn't look like that.
@@ekyso2607 buddy LMAO
I recorded this before he even posted it, but it’s just based on my posting schedule. We’re friends and cover the same things, it happens sometimes in the reverse too. I’m not copying him
My last two videos have also been something on fel barrage and a survival hunter guide, neither of which jedith has made
@@VooDooSaurus i get that, as I said im sure ur not copying him, but just timing was weird thats all