I was just on live stream telling people that I should 3D model a case for the SM58 since they are the same internals and here we find your video where you did exactly that and it sounds exactly the same! What a freaking deal to get a $400 microphone for $135 all in and you're only really out a metal housing and the hi pass and low pass filter thing on the back that nobody uses because everyone is going to DSP that stuff. What a freaking amazing deal!
@@johngalt1967 I could imagine them not being fans of this, but what would that infringe on? It would just be a kit for a user to modify their microphone as they see fit. He isn't rebranding it or infringing on the trademark in any way.
Amazing, I can only imagine the clarity with audio filters to tune it up. It can probably be done near identical, but the XM800 was actually my favorite sound, it had just the right amount of pop in my ears with clarity. I feel like once it's used in obs with proper gain sounds and audio filtering it can be insane.
Honestly I loved the sound of XM800 too... It had some nice presence in the mid range. The SM58 on the other hand had a lower bassy tone(suitable for podcasting)
This is sick! Can’t wait to try it out and compare one of my 58s. I modded a 57 years ago but it disappeared in somebody’s pocket at some point. Thank you!
It should be noted that the fact that SM58 allows closer proximity to the diaphragm is NOT a flaw. It serves to trigger so-called Proximity effect, where if the source of sound gets close to the diaphragm, there is a sudden build-up of lower frequencies. Singers use this effect to acquire sort of a intimate, smooth voice (usually in verses) which they can use to add emotion to their performance.
The SM7B had a slightly better high frequency response when compared to the SM58, The SM58 had a darker tone with a reduced high frequency response compared to the SM7B, and the Ultra Voice had a punchier mid range that lacked the lower frequency response of the SM58 or the SM7B. At least that's my impression from the video tests. Such a great little mod DSLR Video Shooter and also what a fantastic use case for 3D printing in general. Awesome video! 💖
yeah my thoughts exactly. I wonder if the "shortcomings" of the SM58 and the UltraVoice could be remedied with some gentle EQ or if it would mess things up. I think I like the SM7B the most, then the Ultra Voice and last the SM58 - but it's all a VERY close race
@@dksouthpawatx It's def close especially when you consider the context of a mix. When we hear these mics tested against each other and nothing else we interpret the differences far easier than we would if we simply heard all three of these mics sitting in their own finalized mixed down projects. Essentially we wouldn't know what we were losing or gaining without a very specific and direct comparison. So a talented engineer could probably get away with using some extremely cheap mics depending on the application.
@@patricksharpe absolutely. I think the only scenario that would be *obvious* if you can even call it that would be a straight podcast setting. Everything else, as you said, would be so obscured in a mix
that's nothing an EQ wouldn't fix, not worth the premium at all since on top of that the point is both sound pretty bad compared to modern alternatives
Update: Working on printing more kits! You can find more information about this project here: camerafoundry.com/pages/diy-sm7b Original Pinned Comment: Don't get me wrong, the SM7B is a legend and sounds incredible while being built to last. That said, if you want the look and sound without the price tag this alternative is great. Not to mention, you can have several for the price of one SM7B!
Very close sound quality between the SM58 and SM7B but the 7B is definitely brighter and has more "presence". Does the SM58 mod more closely approximate these qualities of the SM7B?
You shouldn't need to say that, the SM7B is truly bad and inferior to most modern alternatives, there's no technological reason to go for such a limited mic, it's just reputation (mostly made up) and marketing. Which of course will create hordes of sunk cost fallacy'd people that bought it and will become agressive the moment their expensive mic is shown for what it is, an overhyped muffled dynamic mic with a 70yo design.
Just finished to print mine, months after watching this video and having it in my mind, and well, the results were exactly the same as in the video, I printed the UltraVoice version and compared to the SM7B, I can hear the difference, but for like 35 bucks in total it is insane! you could literally buy the 3d printer, in my case resin, the mic, print it and still would invest $100 to $150 less than the SM7B! thank you so much for this video!
For anyone who doesn’t watch all the way to the end, he mentions something EXTREMELY important- you can remove the transformer from the 58 to get even closer to a real SM7B
@@gavingilson4666 He mentions that at the end of the video. From my point of view, you should not remove the transformer. Gives you too much high frequencies and can sound really harsh.
Something to consider that could affect the sound quality under certain conditions. The 3D printed shell and grill were designed as an aesthetic modification, and essentially acts as mic holder. The metal head basket (Grill) on metal microphones are connected to ground from pin 1 on the xlr, shielding the sensitive internal components from EMI and RFI. Removing the head basket from the sm58 means the capsule isn't shielded and no matter how identical the 3D print is to sm7b, it's plastic and can't be grounded. Setting the mic up close to noisy electronic's like power supplies and computers will pick up feed back, same as any large ungrounded metal objects and incoming cell signals. Best bet is keeping the sm58 intact, intall it in the new shell without the plastic grill, and put the sm7b foam over the sm58's grill.
I use conductive spray paint on some 3d printed enclosures for protection. But unless you have it on hand it costs the same as buying a mic housing online.
...the entire housing of an SM58 is metal and the grounding wire is attached to the housing not the grill, otherwise you wouldnt be able to simply unscrew it, while it may slightly increase the microphones pick up of feedback and interference, unless you’re directly next to a powerful transmitter or dirty, unshielded power you wont have an issue, and anything bad enough to cause issues with the mic will also cause issues with other equipment in the recording space
@@CalamityJay-ez2mq there is no ground wire in the mic, the xlr insert has sleeve mounted to pin 1 which makes the connection to the body when screwed in. I said the head basket is connected to ground from pin 1, not to it. I didn't wanna go in to much detail but here we are
@@CalamityJay-ez2mq yup. maybe if this was like 20+ years ago he might have a point. but this is 2022 and most electronics don't emit very much sound. at least most that people use.
There's a ground wire in older SM58s and 57s fyi. But I think the issue you're speaking about could be solved with a little copper or aluminium conductive tape.
The real DIY hacks we need in this filmmaking life! this is a great money saver and a surely budget option for so many people and so many uses. Thank you!
Thank you SO MUCH for this!! Been using this with my SM-57 for a few months now, and it 's perfect. For the money this is as good as it's gonna get for me. I was using the SM57 with the A81WS foam cover for awhile - and while it also sounded great, I wasn't a big fan of the look. When I saw this video, I knew I had to give it a shot. Got the factory SM7B foam, and I couldn't be happier with how it turned out!
Great video. Thanks. I could really not tell much of a difference between the SM7B and the SM58 and the SM58 is a true workhouses I used in my past life as a sound guy.
@@STMENTNETWORK true but very close. I was surprised. I’m using the MV7 for my RUclips videos and livestreams currently as it’s easy USB but thinking of making a change and I’ve got a 3D printer friend so 🤔🤔
@@DirkWerning I’m using the rode podmic and I’m thinking of doing the same things for the experimental factor of it. I had 2 sm7b’s and sold them not cause I didn’t like them just cause I wasn’t podcasting as much as I am now. So If I can get something close for a fraction of the price I’m a go for it
@@STMENTNETWORK niiiice. My MV7 is JUST out of frame for my lives, might see just a touch of the windscreen lol. Not about the look really but the sound and slowly stepping up the gear piece by piece.
Just put one of these together. Sounds amazing! I was almost shouting in my room & it picked up no reverb or echo. Amazing! I'll be sure to share your channel to others 😊
This is the new content you've been hinting to and I'm here for it! The XM8500 actually sounds pretty great, especially considering the cost difference. This might change my upcoming portable podcast set up!
Man, this guy has truly helped me get all my gear fine tuned and dialed in from my cameras and lenses, to now hopefully a new mic in the near future! He's always looking out for the smaller guys and I just wanted to say that we all appreciate you and the work that you do for the filmmaking community! Please never stop
The irony of the sibilance and S's of the video talking about mics and sound quality being ear bleedingly off. Awesome video though for those who want appearance and quality. It reminds me when I did short films on "off brand cameras" so I loaded it up with extra adapters I never used to "look professional". Sometimes it is what the client "needs" haha.
Love the 3D printed case! The differences between the 3 mics become a lot more apparent when used in actual recording circumstances, as the response to sound pressure changes. But for casual use, the 58 and SM7b are definitely in the ballpark. Even closer if you add a little EQ. Great video idea Caleb!
As a recording engineer with a background in microphone design - this video, and the comments are absolutley baffling to me. People, please do not waste your time doing this. You're going to introduce some issues by placing your perfectly good SM58 into this housing. If you really hate the look, buy an SM57 + the 'presidential' foam windscreen. You do not need an SM7b for your podcast or whatever you're doing. Every studio I've ever stepped foot in around the planet has always had multiple SM57/8's for a reason. Proudly enjoy them like your favourite musicians do, there's no need to pretend they're something else.
Awesome! Thank you Caleb, You did a great job engineering this mod! So, I dowloaded the 3d printer files (which Caleb offers for free) and went to my local library. The library charged me forty cents for the filament. Because of the limitations on the library's 3d printer the mod I printed did not fit together as well as Caleb's. I still am able to use it and it looks and functions great! I just had to do a little extra work on it. For my other SM58, I purchased the kit from Caleb. I do a podcast with my wife and the SM58s (I have two) sound really good. The grill and foam filter really reduces plosives. My microphones are not on camera, so I did this purely for the audio quality. The SM58 microphone already (out of the box) sounds very similar to the SM7B. If you did not use headphones or a decent pair of speakers you may not be able to tell the difference. This mod (I believe) enhances the sound of the SM58. It may even make the SM58 less susceptible to feedback. If you have a SM58 (or choose to even buy a used one) I don't think you will be disappointed with this mod. If you bought a beat up used SM58, you would not even notice because the whole mic is enclosed. Caleb, thank you once again for your ingenuity and generosity to make the design files available free of charge. James
Now this is a question I have for all 3d printing creators, if you are selling the 3d printed item is it selling the design or is it selling the 3d printer work? I mean yeah this video is great if you have a 3d printer, if you don't it's the same price as a Shure SM7b to get a printer filament and then print the end product and purchase a microphone for it. So realistically speaking if someone see's your video and then finds someone selling your design as a service is it the same as selling your design directly or ???
Yep, imagine you see a Disney poster online, you download it, print it and then sell it, but you are selling the poster or the design? You are selling a product using another one's design, so technically you are selling the design. In this case, you are doing something illegal, cause you're selling the design made by this guy, based on a design made by Shure, and no he's not doing the same since he is note selling the design itself... TLDR no you can't
Hey, so made this device for a friend (I don't have the mic, but they do), and few things I've noticed: 1- The base is really solid and has been something of a joy to mess around with. 2- The screw for holding the mic in place, I can't see how it can be an M4x16 screw. Fully screwed in the screw doesn't make it inside the hole at all. An M4x20 appears to fit the bill perfectly, with M4x16s for the mount 3- The grill is a bit structurally weak. I printed at .15 layer height on a Prusa MK3S+ to minimize bridging, but the problem I see I think will be about the same no matter what layer height (and to a lesser extent no matter the filament/temp). The walls are only two perimeters wide and because of all the holes there's next to no grip. Makes it very easy to snap. I'm no sound engineer, and with my hearing issues I hesitate to even think audiophile level, but I'm wondering at the idea of doubling the thickness of the grill wall to give something more of a grip for the filament and/or changing the grill design to be less of a thin sheet of holes and more a brace for the foam cover. It's definitely something I'd be willing to discuss more and do testing with in the future, but at the moment I'm horribly inexperienced with making/modifying STL files, so I'm not sure how helpful I'd be
I never believed the sm7b deserve $400 to be honest. The sm57 sounds very similar too. You’ve just changed a lot of streamers life . Great video like always
I saw the Dark Corner video about removing the transformer and the sound difference is super subtle. This looks like a fun way to give you that classic look.
Thanks for this! Fun project. Curious to try this out myself. Some thoughts on differences between the SM7B and this project: The SM7B is supposed to offer better EMI rejection than most mics, supposedly particularly good for having it close to things like electrically noisy computer monitors. Would be interesting to see how the SM58 compares in this regard. Also, part of the deal with the housing for the SM7B is that it is supposed to offer a degree of anti-shock protection to reduce mechanical noise transmission. Would be nice to hear how things like desk bumps or mount arm bumps translate on the SM7B vs the 3D printed kit. Otherwise, would be nice to see microphone tests where you're using an audio clip/recording played through a quality studio monitor under controlled conditions with a few seconds each of spoken, sung, and instrument samples. Obviously the live voice is good too for things like plosive response, but that level of reproducibility I think would help in teasing out the audio differences more clearly.
Point being.... youtubers use the SM7B only because they see other youtubers. The SM58 will work perfect for their needs but vanity is what lives in their brains rent free.
The SM58 has a transformer in it as a means to increase its output level, which the 7b does not have. That affects the response of the mic, and the amount of gain needed to reach 0db. Also, the enclosure of the 7b is acoustically designed for background noise rejection, and additionally must be made of metal to shield the mic capsule from electromagnetic noise. Removing the grill from the 58 and replacing it with plastic will affect its signal to noise ratio. This mod would be more complete by removing the transformer from the 58 and placing it in a replica 7b enclosure made of metal.
@@2001mufasa Sort of. I don't think aluminum shields as well as iron does, and the grill needs to be able to shield the capsule also. So coating the inside of it with any kind of foil would be very tedious if you want it to look nice and pick up sound properly. The mod in the video is almost cosmetic only. It does serve the function of making sure you can't get your mouth too close to the capsule though, as noted in the video.
Out of all the comments, I probably just found the only other audio engineer in this bunch. Trained ears can easily hear the difference in the sound if the mics as well. The boomy nature of the 58 is going to come through once any amount of compression is applied. The 7b also has a larger diaphragm.
@@randomschittz9461 Glad to hear that my knowledge/advice is on par with guys more experienced than I. Though I didn't know that the mic capsules actually had any appreciable difference between them. I thought it was all in the complementary electronics and enclosures. Would the boomy nature still be present if your proximity to the capsule is limited to a minimum (and thereby, the proximity effect)? That does serve as a reminder why it's good to limit the bandwidth of your compression, though. I tend to cut the lows to some degree any time I'm setting up a compressor for vocals.
I saw some people in the comments asking if this works with the SM57 and yes!! It Works great with the SM57, in fact I'm using it with my SM57 now! However, I would also like to echo what some other people have already said. This DOES NOT actually do much for audio sound and quality. While the SM7B and SM58 are both very high quality microphones, and have very similar sound, they still have some huge differences that this mod does not change. It is more so a cosmetic enhancement (it's just for looks). If you're like me, already own a 3d printer, and felt like a purely cosmetic enhancement would be fun. Go for it! Otherwise, there might be better options out there for you.
Did anyone try this with the SM57? Not thinking to much about the audio response, but rather the fit inside the SM7B-printed body. Update, I tried this and the fit is good. I put one layer of electrical tape at the top and bottom end on the mic, and the fit is PERFECT.
SM7B sounds significantly brighter and more open. A comparison between SM58 with and without the enclosure would be great to hear what difference a piece of PLA does to the acoustics (if any).
Wow. Very close to the original sound!! The Sm7B sounds just ever so slightly brighter to me, but I really like the body that the diy sm58 gives. A little eq would put that high end right back into place. The $20 mic just feels a little thin to me. But in the right application, voice overs, podcasts, etc. Wouldn't be a bad option at all.
A few years ago when I was gigging live music I stuck an old sm58 into a small wooden box with just the lead coming out and then taped it completely shut. I used it as a foot stomp like the Cajun blues players and would plug it into the PA with all the top rolled off and whack my foot on it for two hours every night. After a couple of years I opened the box… … the sm58 was bent into an oval shape, completely deformed and damaged. But it still worked fine! I went on to use it as a hammer in my toolkit. Still going strong.
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I could hear fair amount of difference between 7B and 58 that 58 lacks high frequency presence compared to 7B. However if you post process with a bit of (around) 8k boost or a bit of high-shelving they would sound pretty close, I guess.
Wow. I actually own both microphones sm7b and sm58. I'm not an audiophile, but I do a lot of RUclips editing. I can barely tell the difference between the two mics!
Amazing! And I love that you sell the kit for those of us who don't have 3D printers. Because seriously, how many of us have 3D printers? Money is tight, and aesthetics are important to me, so if I can LOOK like I'm using an SM7B, and it sounds amazing, too, it's a win! Also, thanks for suggesting the bonus mod video at the end! I preferred the XM800 to the SM58. I'm no expert, so I'm reading about the responses and tons and what not, but as an everyman watching RUclips videos, I liked the brighter sound of the XM800. The SM58 sounded muddy to me.
Ordered the kit that Mr. Pike sells and it's great quality as seen in the video. Assembly was just as easy. I appreciate the fast shipping! I've had an SM7B before but I don't create audio at a professional capacity for work - only for streaming occasionally and for use in discord. I prefer to feed the fam and get the look I was going for instead with this super cheap version. Thanks for the vid.
Nice video, also consider using a Beta57 and the huge Shute extra large windscreen they make for it or I guess just an sm57. It’s right from shure and cost about $35 bucks but it fits great and gives amazing wind protection. I believe they use this mic in this setup (pretty sure it’s an sm57 standard) in the White House garden when the president speaks from that location to the public in an address. I guess you could just buy the large Shure windscreen for the 58 as well. Its what I use and I love it, just as good at avoiding plosives and all the other bennies of the SM7B windscreen setup.
@@dslrvideoshooter deff, mostly like you said in the video, get a big ass windscreen, it’s the chief difference between the SM7B and the others. It’s a very fool-proof set-up
I don't know if I would use this. But I do love diy projects so I'll probably do it with my SM48 for kicks and gigs. If nothing else looks like a really fun project. The sm48 can be had for like $40, not sure how it compares to the other really cheap one but it's also an option. It's similar to the SM58 but needs more gain. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the SM7B and SM58 have almost identical capsules? Needs fact checking,
They are not exactly the same, but the 58, 57 and 7b are based on a same element but with different mods each, some say the 7b is like having the other two in a box
Thats very cool! Update: Ok for me with the XM8500 it comes down to 65-75$ in cost (baring the screws). I dont have a 3d printer so am guessing that will add 10-20$. Still seems good for me but do you think it will give a much greater preformance if I do the upgrade? The base Xm8500 costs 25$ now so the upgrade is 40-50$.
Caleb, you are the OG (Original Genius) of so many trends on RUclips. Thank you for another great video and how you support the community. I look forward to the algorithm really paying you your dues. Be blessed.
The highs on the SM7B sound much cleaner. Still, this is a pretty cool video Caleb. I still appreciate this immensely. That said, I have both the MV7 and SM58... 😁
You could definitely add some EQ towards the 4-6k range to get it closer. It's never going to sound exactly like an SM7b, but for my professional work when I'm out of the studio I go to my 58 and the client never has any idea.
When I studied the schematic for the SM7B I thought it was essentially an SM57 capsule in a fancy can. Lo and behold, according to Shure, that is what it is :-) Two things: Leave the transformer in place or you could blow the directly connected voice-coil in the capsule if you inadvertently connect and disconnect phantom power. The mesh screen is metal in the SM7B as a way to provide a Faraday cage, for to isolate the voice-coil from EM disturbances that are prevalent in a professional broadcast studio setting, with light dimmers, etc. My choice is the Shure beta 58A with -51 db of a sensitivity, a built in pop shield, a strong metal grille, etc. I added the official windshield to mine, just to add a finish. I have the "impression" that the audio is slightly smoother, too, but am not sure if it really is. Nice job with the 3-D printing. Perhaps there is a paint with metal particles that would metalize the whole thing.
It’s an interesting video, but the real question is, other than the “podcaster” or “radio” look of the SM7b, why not just buy an SM57 with the extended windscreen kit instead? It’s been successfully used by Presidents and other high profile people for decades and uses the same Unidyne capsule as the 58 and the 7b. The DIY project seems fun, but unnecessary in a few ways. If you want the project concept then putting a small frame inside of the windscreen with a bit of nylon stocking stretched over it will create an additional pop filter. The SM57 is also less expensive than the SM58.
@@ylevision7088 The SM57 although designed as an instrument microphone serves well as a vocal mic. The smaller grille size also limits plosives. That's my experience. Used in a home studio that's not soundproofed this dynamic mic also limits background noise.
@@ylevision7088 read my reply above. I own both mics so I speak from my experience. In the end it's personal choice. I'm not sure why you keep asking me this question.
Dude... No. Looking similar and sounding similar are separate. The resonate frequencies for one are totally different. It's not just about the capsule which is also affected by the enclosure and build even if they use the same element. Are two cameras the same because they have the same lens? There's a reason one is referred to as a broadcast dynamic and the other a handheld dynamic. Just like how you hand hold a microphone matters for the frequency pickup, the enclosure design affects the sound too. You might as well say that any two microphones are the same if they can screw onto a mic stand.
This pretty much just killed the new overpriced Chinese Universal Audio SM7B knock off as far as being a cheaper option. You can do a crazy custom paint job on this prior to building it to.
@@dslrvideoshooter Is it possible for you to add the tilting bracket to the site? I'd like to see if I can get it to function more like the OEM version with a few ideas.
Had a question re: 3D print. We've just tried printing it using PLA+ at 20%. Results are good, but not perfect, and I'm concerned with minor issues and crush points. Can you give us some tips on what printing filament was used and the settings? Thanks.
I second this! Look to try printing this asap but not sure as to what filament will work and look best and if there certain features to look for when buying a 3d printer?
I had excellent results using eSUN PLA PRO in Pine Green Color (My favorite color and filament) I was using the Voxelab Aquila X2 Upgrade, stock everything, stock extruder and base plate. I was able to snag it on sale for $180, highly recommend. I used my standard profile in Cura, 18% infill, 3 line walls, layer height 0.2mm, infill speed 50mm/s, Wall speed 25mm/s, no supports needed for the main two body pieces, and even the mesh part printed surprisingly well. I've had an amazingly easy ride with the Aquilla so far, easy to level and stay level, following some of the amazing setup vids. The eSUN filament prints like a dream, I've also had great luck with all of the Matte Filaments from Overture PLA, in Black, white, and Tan, really beautiful and nice finish right off the printer.
Very cool! I've done extensive analysis of the SM series mic engineering and produced a prototype that has similar SM7 characteristics achieved by using a separated sm7 style dynamic capsule, with similar sm7 style comb filter cap, and customized internal shock mount, without the transformer and external aluminum body made from a storage canister with internal dampening material, The grill was made from perforated steel sheet. Total cost about $60.
You should call it an SM7-Wanna-B The cheaper one sounded exactly like the SM7B. The SM58 was slightly missing the crispier high notes but was still clear and nice to listen to.
listening through RUclips compression isn't exactly ideal but as a voice actor and mic nerd here's what I heard through my cans. The SM58 in that enclosure loses a lot go the upper frequency clarity - that air and sparkle that gives a brighter sound is gone. This could possibly be corrected with EQ though maybe at he expense of introducing more signal noise. The little $30 mic obviously lacks any depth but did sound a little better when it was raised up. The SM7b has a much more premium "radio ready" sound but honestly with judicious use of eq and compression I think the SM58 mod could get 90% of the way there at 25% of the price.
Hello! Thank you for that amazing design! It has some flaws though (I'll come back to it later) I installed a Beta 58a inside instead of anSM58 and the sound is AMAZING while having a good look. Again, great overall design. Flaws in the design: We printed this kit on several machines, FDM and resin, and always had the same issue: the grill won't screw properly... After further inspection, I found exactly why! 1- There is not enough clearance in the base... I had to sand-down the grill ring to make it fit better. It makes the grill more fragile though. Making the diameter of the cavity 1mm larger overall would fix this I am sure (I will try at some point!) 2- The 1st thread is not angled. I did it with a knife and it helps a lot! Thank you!
The metal grill is very necessary to avoid interference from other electric so i suggest to keep the grill on or make a grill of metal instead of 3d printing
I've had the XM8500 for over 6 years now and it's sooo good! It already sounds great right out of the box with no EQ or processing but you can make it sound sooooo amazing when running EQ and compression through it. I paired mine up with the GoXLR Mini and EQed the mic to make it sound just as good, or maybe even better than 400-500 bucks mic LOL!
Heads up for those trying to print the parts. The part labelled "SM7BS-Grill-V1.stl" loaded into my slicer (Cura) in the wrong orientation. It's obvious from the sloping (intended to eliminate need for supports) that it loaded upside down. Basically the grill part (with holes) should be down and the threaded area (for screwing onto the main body) should be up. Rotating (180 degrees) in the slicer before slicing will get desired result.
I hear the difference with my headphones - I believe the sm7b is substantially less fatiguing to listen to than the sm58 and likewise the sm58 over the $20 mic. Thank you though for setting up this test - helps confirm what I thought was true.
All pretty decent. Listening to the tests with Sennheiser HD 558's SM7B - Fullness with the most top end clarity SM58 - Lacking some of the highest clarity "sparkle" weird bassy hump that seems to augment the voice XM8500 - Lots less bass and more voiced to mimic SM7B clarity but lacks an even response almost nasally. With all that being said this is me straining my ears to focus on the differences. I think the sm58 works least best on my voice as its already bass heavy in nature. I think doing this project for podcast mics with the XM8500 is the best value prposition
Thank you for this shootout! IMO, the fundamental issue with the SM58 is that it's so damn woofy and I feel like I really here it still in here. It just muffles and muds and I don't understand why a microphone made for vocals would emphasize that area lol.
It only needs a little bit of EQ to take the bass lower and the mids higher and it would sound incredibly closer, insane that they sell the SM58 for so cheap
I was just on live stream telling people that I should 3D model a case for the SM58 since they are the same internals and here we find your video where you did exactly that and it sounds exactly the same! What a freaking deal to get a $400 microphone for $135 all in and you're only really out a metal housing and the hi pass and low pass filter thing on the back that nobody uses because everyone is going to DSP that stuff. What a freaking amazing deal!
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i just saw the vid of the live stream and i come to vote this comment, coz you are just awesome !
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Cheapa-s. You come off entitled and apparently never worked in radio where the SM series original market
Maybe you should sell it as a KIT that includes all the screws and whatnot for convenience.
That would be nice. But he would probably need to do injection molding instead due to 3D printing not being consistent right?
That would probably get him sued by shure
@@johngalt1967 I could imagine them not being fans of this, but what would that infringe on? It would just be a kit for a user to modify their microphone as they see fit. He isn't rebranding it or infringing on the trademark in any way.
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@@hazmathews unfortunately what really matters is that shure can afford much better lawyers than caleb and that goes a long way towards winning a case
Amazing, I can only imagine the clarity with audio filters to tune it up. It can probably be done near identical, but the XM800 was actually my favorite sound, it had just the right amount of pop in my ears with clarity. I feel like once it's used in obs with proper gain sounds and audio filtering it can be insane.
Honestly I loved the sound of XM800 too... It had some nice presence in the mid range. The SM58 on the other hand had a lower bassy tone(suitable for podcasting)
I thought the SM58 sounded far too muffled compared to the 7B and the XM8500 (which I thought was on par with the 7B!)
This is sick! Can’t wait to try it out and compare one of my 58s. I modded a 57 years ago but it disappeared in somebody’s pocket at some point. Thank you!
Aw sorry to hear that! Nothing worse than losing a loved DIY.
@@dslrvideoshooter the price of dealing with unscrupulous folks I suppose.
It should be noted that the fact that SM58 allows closer proximity to the diaphragm is NOT a flaw. It serves to trigger so-called Proximity effect, where if the source of sound gets close to the diaphragm, there is a sudden build-up of lower frequencies. Singers use this effect to acquire sort of a intimate, smooth voice (usually in verses) which they can use to add emotion to their performance.
The SM7B had a slightly better high frequency response when compared to the SM58, The SM58 had a darker tone with a reduced high frequency response compared to the SM7B, and the Ultra Voice had a punchier mid range that lacked the lower frequency response of the SM58 or the SM7B. At least that's my impression from the video tests. Such a great little mod DSLR Video Shooter and also what a fantastic use case for 3D printing in general. Awesome video! 💖
yeah my thoughts exactly. I wonder if the "shortcomings" of the SM58 and the UltraVoice could be remedied with some gentle EQ or if it would mess things up. I think I like the SM7B the most, then the Ultra Voice and last the SM58 - but it's all a VERY close race
@@dksouthpawatx It's def close especially when you consider the context of a mix. When we hear these mics tested against each other and nothing else we interpret the differences far easier than we would if we simply heard all three of these mics sitting in their own finalized mixed down projects. Essentially we wouldn't know what we were losing or gaining without a very specific and direct comparison. So a talented engineer could probably get away with using some extremely cheap mics depending on the application.
@@patricksharpe absolutely. I think the only scenario that would be *obvious* if you can even call it that would be a straight podcast setting. Everything else, as you said, would be so obscured in a mix
@@dksouthpawatx yeah exactly!
that's nothing an EQ wouldn't fix, not worth the premium at all since on top of that the point is both sound pretty bad compared to modern alternatives
Update: Working on printing more kits! You can find more information about this project here: camerafoundry.com/pages/diy-sm7b
Original Pinned Comment: Don't get me wrong, the SM7B is a legend and sounds incredible while being built to last. That said, if you want the look and sound without the price tag this alternative is great. Not to mention, you can have several for the price of one SM7B!
What is the “gear focus” link?
I’d like to buy a diy kit please. I don’t have 3D printer.
@@00ninja00 same here
Very close sound quality between the SM58 and SM7B but the 7B is definitely brighter and has more "presence". Does the SM58 mod more closely approximate these qualities of the SM7B?
You shouldn't need to say that, the SM7B is truly bad and inferior to most modern alternatives, there's no technological reason to go for such a limited mic, it's just reputation (mostly made up) and marketing. Which of course will create hordes of sunk cost fallacy'd people that bought it and will become agressive the moment their expensive mic is shown for what it is, an overhyped muffled dynamic mic with a 70yo design.
Just finished to print mine, months after watching this video and having it in my mind, and well, the results were exactly the same as in the video, I printed the UltraVoice version and compared to the SM7B, I can hear the difference, but for like 35 bucks in total it is insane! you could literally buy the 3d printer, in my case resin, the mic, print it and still would invest $100 to $150 less than the SM7B! thank you so much for this video!
For anyone who doesn’t watch all the way to the end, he mentions something EXTREMELY important- you can remove the transformer from the 58 to get even closer to a real SM7B
Is there any videos on that or anywhere I could hear the comparison? W/ W/O the transformer? Really wish I could hear that somewhere
@@gavingilson4666 ruclips.net/video/CQezTjsvSyc/видео.html
@@gavingilson4666 ruclips.net/video/rXPHGrR_JA8/видео.html I think this video has exactly what you want!
@@gavingilson4666 He mentions that at the end of the video. From my point of view, you should not remove the transformer. Gives you too much high frequencies and can sound really harsh.
also if you remove the transformer you open yourself up to frying the capsule if phantom power is left on
Something to consider that could affect the sound quality under certain conditions. The 3D printed shell and grill were designed as an aesthetic modification, and essentially acts as mic holder. The metal head basket (Grill) on metal microphones are connected to ground from pin 1 on the xlr, shielding the sensitive internal components from EMI and RFI. Removing the head basket from the sm58 means the capsule isn't shielded and no matter how identical the 3D print is to sm7b, it's plastic and can't be grounded. Setting the mic up close to noisy electronic's like power supplies and computers will pick up feed back, same as any large ungrounded metal objects and incoming cell signals. Best bet is keeping the sm58 intact, intall it in the new shell without the plastic grill, and put the sm7b foam over the sm58's grill.
I use conductive spray paint on some 3d printed enclosures for protection. But unless you have it on hand it costs the same as buying a mic housing online.
...the entire housing of an SM58 is metal and the grounding wire is attached to the housing not the grill, otherwise you wouldnt be able to simply unscrew it, while it may slightly increase the microphones pick up of feedback and interference, unless you’re directly next to a powerful transmitter or dirty, unshielded power you wont have an issue, and anything bad enough to cause issues with the mic will also cause issues with other equipment in the recording space
@@CalamityJay-ez2mq there is no ground wire in the mic, the xlr insert has sleeve mounted to pin 1 which makes the connection to the body when screwed in. I said the head basket is connected to ground from pin 1, not to it. I didn't wanna go in to much detail but here we are
@@CalamityJay-ez2mq yup. maybe if this was like 20+ years ago he might have a point. but this is 2022 and most electronics don't emit very much sound. at least most that people use.
There's a ground wire in older SM58s and 57s fyi. But I think the issue you're speaking about could be solved with a little copper or aluminium conductive tape.
The real DIY hacks we need in this filmmaking life!
this is a great money saver and a surely budget option for so many people and so many uses.
Thank you!
Thank you SO MUCH for this!! Been using this with my SM-57 for a few months now, and it 's perfect. For the money this is as good as it's gonna get for me. I was using the SM57 with the A81WS foam cover for awhile - and while it also sounded great, I wasn't a big fan of the look. When I saw this video, I knew I had to give it a shot. Got the factory SM7B foam, and I couldn't be happier with how it turned out!
Did your SM57 fit and thread into this 3d Print?
Great video. Thanks. I could really not tell much of a difference between the SM7B and the SM58 and the SM58 is a true workhouses I used in my past life as a sound guy.
Yeah I was shocked how similar they sounded!
The sm58 sounds like it had a bit more low end but I guess if you do the transformer mod it will sound even closer
@@STMENTNETWORK true but very close. I was surprised.
I’m using the MV7 for my RUclips videos and livestreams currently as it’s easy USB but thinking of making a change and I’ve got a 3D printer friend so 🤔🤔
@@DirkWerning I’m using the rode podmic and I’m thinking of doing the same things for the experimental factor of it. I had 2 sm7b’s and sold them not cause I didn’t like them just cause I wasn’t podcasting as much as I am now. So If I can get something close for a fraction of the price I’m a go for it
@@STMENTNETWORK niiiice. My MV7 is JUST out of frame for my lives, might see just a touch of the windscreen lol. Not about the look really but the sound and slowly stepping up the gear piece by piece.
Just put one of these together. Sounds amazing! I was almost shouting in my room & it picked up no reverb or echo. Amazing! I'll be sure to share your channel to others 😊
This is the new content you've been hinting to and I'm here for it! The XM8500 actually sounds pretty great, especially considering the cost difference. This might change my upcoming portable podcast set up!
No need to purchase anything else. Follow Julian Krause's video to EQ it to sound like the SM7B. No gimmicky print needed.
This is really clever, Caleb. Great idea and great video! 👍
I'm the baby now.
I’d love to see a cross over with you guys!!!
Thanks man!!!
Man, this guy has truly helped me get all my gear fine tuned and dialed in from my cameras and lenses, to now hopefully a new mic in the near future! He's always looking out for the smaller guys and I just wanted to say that we all appreciate you and the work that you do for the filmmaking community! Please never stop
The irony of the sibilance and S's of the video talking about mics and sound quality being ear bleedingly off. Awesome video though for those who want appearance and quality. It reminds me when I did short films on "off brand cameras" so I loaded it up with extra adapters I never used to "look professional". Sometimes it is what the client "needs" haha.
Love the 3D printed case! The differences between the 3 mics become a lot more apparent when used in actual recording circumstances, as the response to sound pressure changes. But for casual use, the 58 and SM7b are definitely in the ballpark. Even closer if you add a little EQ. Great video idea Caleb!
I've had a 58 sitting around for about 20 years - I just didn't have a use for it - thanks for giving me a reason to give it new life!
As a recording engineer with a background in microphone design - this video, and the comments are absolutley baffling to me. People, please do not waste your time doing this. You're going to introduce some issues by placing your perfectly good SM58 into this housing. If you really hate the look, buy an SM57 + the 'presidential' foam windscreen. You do not need an SM7b for your podcast or whatever you're doing. Every studio I've ever stepped foot in around the planet has always had multiple SM57/8's for a reason. Proudly enjoy them like your favourite musicians do, there's no need to pretend they're something else.
Hi! I'm quite curious as to what those issues would be? Genuinely want to know. Thanks!
Awesome! Thank you Caleb, You did a great job engineering this mod! So, I dowloaded the 3d printer files (which Caleb offers for free) and went to my local library. The library charged me forty cents for the filament. Because of the limitations on the library's 3d printer the mod I printed did not fit together as well as Caleb's. I still am able to use it and it looks and functions great! I just had to do a little extra work on it. For my other SM58, I purchased the kit from Caleb. I do a podcast with my wife and the SM58s (I have two) sound really good. The grill and foam filter really reduces plosives. My microphones are not on camera, so I did this purely for the audio quality. The SM58 microphone already (out of the box) sounds very similar to the SM7B. If you did not use headphones or a decent pair of speakers you may not be able to tell the difference. This mod (I believe) enhances the sound of the SM58. It may even make the SM58 less susceptible to feedback. If you have a SM58 (or choose to even buy a used one) I don't think you will be disappointed with this mod. If you bought a beat up used SM58, you would not even notice because the whole mic is enclosed. Caleb, thank you once again for your ingenuity and generosity to make the design files available free of charge. James
Brilliant! Really shows how close the 58 and SM7B are. Plus anytime you can incorporate 3D printing into a project, it’s a win 👍
This is why DSLR Shooter is one of my favorite channels…great work Caleb, and thanks!
Now this is a question I have for all 3d printing creators, if you are selling the 3d printed item is it selling the design or is it selling the 3d printer work? I mean yeah this video is great if you have a 3d printer, if you don't it's the same price as a Shure SM7b to get a printer filament and then print the end product and purchase a microphone for it. So realistically speaking if someone see's your video and then finds someone selling your design as a service is it the same as selling your design directly or ???
you can do either or both
Yep, imagine you see a Disney poster online, you download it, print it and then sell it, but you are selling the poster or the design? You are selling a product using another one's design, so technically you are selling the design. In this case, you are doing something illegal, cause you're selling the design made by this guy, based on a design made by Shure, and no he's not doing the same since he is note selling the design itself... TLDR no you can't
Thanks for the shoutout Caleb!
Kinda cool getting a shoutout from a channel I have been following for some time.
This is so clever! Thank you for making this video. I can’t wait to try this out!
Thanks Benjamin! You're welcome. These projects take an insane amount of time but I enjoy them!
Hey, so made this device for a friend (I don't have the mic, but they do), and few things I've noticed:
1- The base is really solid and has been something of a joy to mess around with.
2- The screw for holding the mic in place, I can't see how it can be an M4x16 screw. Fully screwed in the screw doesn't make it inside the hole at all. An M4x20 appears to fit the bill perfectly, with M4x16s for the mount
3- The grill is a bit structurally weak. I printed at .15 layer height on a Prusa MK3S+ to minimize bridging, but the problem I see I think will be about the same no matter what layer height (and to a lesser extent no matter the filament/temp). The walls are only two perimeters wide and because of all the holes there's next to no grip. Makes it very easy to snap. I'm no sound engineer, and with my hearing issues I hesitate to even think audiophile level, but I'm wondering at the idea of doubling the thickness of the grill wall to give something more of a grip for the filament and/or changing the grill design to be less of a thin sheet of holes and more a brace for the foam cover.
It's definitely something I'd be willing to discuss more and do testing with in the future, but at the moment I'm horribly inexperienced with making/modifying STL files, so I'm not sure how helpful I'd be
I never believed the sm7b deserve $400 to be honest. The sm57 sounds very similar too. You’ve just changed a lot of streamers life . Great video like always
$400 is pretty cheap for a microphone of this quality. You can easily spend 4 digits on a good mic.
I saw the Dark Corner video about removing the transformer and the sound difference is super subtle. This looks like a fun way to give you that classic look.
Thanks for this! Fun project. Curious to try this out myself.
Some thoughts on differences between the SM7B and this project: The SM7B is supposed to offer better EMI rejection than most mics, supposedly particularly good for having it close to things like electrically noisy computer monitors. Would be interesting to see how the SM58 compares in this regard. Also, part of the deal with the housing for the SM7B is that it is supposed to offer a degree of anti-shock protection to reduce mechanical noise transmission. Would be nice to hear how things like desk bumps or mount arm bumps translate on the SM7B vs the 3D printed kit.
Otherwise, would be nice to see microphone tests where you're using an audio clip/recording played through a quality studio monitor under controlled conditions with a few seconds each of spoken, sung, and instrument samples. Obviously the live voice is good too for things like plosive response, but that level of reproducibility I think would help in teasing out the audio differences more clearly.
This, a lot of people are buying these just to talk, but it's capable of so much more.
Point being.... youtubers use the SM7B only because they see other youtubers. The SM58 will work perfect for their needs but vanity is what lives in their brains rent free.
as always, a gem of a video Caleb, and that $20 mic packs a PUNCH!!! seriously considering it for how cheap in price it is !
This is one of the coolest things I’m glad my 3 day obsession of finding the best mic led me here
The SM58 has a transformer in it as a means to increase its output level, which the 7b does not have. That affects the response of the mic, and the amount of gain needed to reach 0db. Also, the enclosure of the 7b is acoustically designed for background noise rejection, and additionally must be made of metal to shield the mic capsule from electromagnetic noise. Removing the grill from the 58 and replacing it with plastic will affect its signal to noise ratio. This mod would be more complete by removing the transformer from the 58 and placing it in a replica 7b enclosure made of metal.
theoretically one could just put aluminum foil inside the enclosure then right?
@@2001mufasa Sort of. I don't think aluminum shields as well as iron does, and the grill needs to be able to shield the capsule also. So coating the inside of it with any kind of foil would be very tedious if you want it to look nice and pick up sound properly. The mod in the video is almost cosmetic only. It does serve the function of making sure you can't get your mouth too close to the capsule though, as noted in the video.
Out of all the comments, I probably just found the only other audio engineer in this bunch. Trained ears can easily hear the difference in the sound if the mics as well. The boomy nature of the 58 is going to come through once any amount of compression is applied. The 7b also has a larger diaphragm.
@@randomschittz9461 Glad to hear that my knowledge/advice is on par with guys more experienced than I. Though I didn't know that the mic capsules actually had any appreciable difference between them. I thought it was all in the complementary electronics and enclosures.
Would the boomy nature still be present if your proximity to the capsule is limited to a minimum (and thereby, the proximity effect)? That does serve as a reminder why it's good to limit the bandwidth of your compression, though. I tend to cut the lows to some degree any time I'm setting up a compressor for vocals.
I saw some people in the comments asking if this works with the SM57 and yes!! It Works great with the SM57, in fact I'm using it with my SM57 now!
However, I would also like to echo what some other people have already said. This DOES NOT actually do much for audio sound and quality. While the SM7B and SM58 are both very high quality microphones, and have very similar sound, they still have some huge differences that this mod does not change. It is more so a cosmetic enhancement (it's just for looks). If you're like me, already own a 3d printer, and felt like a purely cosmetic enhancement would be fun. Go for it! Otherwise, there might be better options out there for you.
Did anyone try this with the SM57? Not thinking to much about the audio response, but rather the fit inside the SM7B-printed body.
Update, I tried this and the fit is good. I put one layer of electrical tape at the top and bottom end on the mic, and the fit is PERFECT.
It fits
This seems like a much better option for many folks when compared to the Amazon brands of broadcast dynamic mics. Well done Sir.
SM7B sounds significantly brighter and more open. A comparison between SM58 with and without the enclosure would be great to hear what difference a piece of PLA does to the acoustics (if any).
Yeah rhe Sm57 is the better more similar option
Wow. Very close to the original sound!! The Sm7B sounds just ever so slightly brighter to me, but I really like the body that the diy sm58 gives. A little eq would put that high end right back into place. The $20 mic just feels a little thin to me. But in the right application, voice overs, podcasts, etc. Wouldn't be a bad option at all.
Wow, so inventive! Great job on the video. The SM58 doesn't appear to pull forth vocal audio quite as much as the SM7B but still very nice!
For some reason Caleb is number one for this video 🔥🔥 thank you so much for teaching us greatly appreciate it 👌
I'd be curious to try this with an SM57, since that was the capsule SHURE used to develop the SM7 originally.
have you tried it
A few years ago when I was gigging live music I stuck an old sm58 into a small wooden box with just the lead coming out and then taped it completely shut. I used it as a foot stomp like the Cajun blues players and would plug it into the PA with all the top rolled off and whack my foot on it for two hours every night. After a couple of years I opened the box…
… the sm58 was bent into an oval shape, completely deformed and damaged. But it still worked fine!
I went on to use it as a hammer in my toolkit. Still going strong.
I could hear fair amount of difference between 7B and 58 that 58 lacks high frequency presence compared to 7B. However if you post process with a bit of (around) 8k boost or a bit of high-shelving they would sound pretty close, I guess.
Likely has a lot to do with build in adjustments the SM7B has out of the box. Could probably DIY a pre-processor from Arduino parts.
Looks awesome and I like the customisation options that come with using different 3d printing filaments 😮
Wow. I actually own both microphones sm7b and sm58. I'm not an audiophile, but I do a lot of RUclips editing. I can barely tell the difference between the two mics!
Crazy right! There is a difference but if you don't need a life long microphone, this mod will get you 98% of the sound quality!
Amazing! And I love that you sell the kit for those of us who don't have 3D printers. Because seriously, how many of us have 3D printers?
Money is tight, and aesthetics are important to me, so if I can LOOK like I'm using an SM7B, and it sounds amazing, too, it's a win!
Also, thanks for suggesting the bonus mod video at the end!
I preferred the XM800 to the SM58. I'm no expert, so I'm reading about the responses and tons and what not, but as an everyman watching RUclips videos, I liked the brighter sound of the XM800. The SM58 sounded muddy to me.
What mic were you using in this video?
Let him cook
djcook what are u doing here? Im a huge fan of yours! if you want I can build you a mic (if u want :)
Ordered the kit that Mr. Pike sells and it's great quality as seen in the video. Assembly was just as easy. I appreciate the fast shipping! I've had an SM7B before but I don't create audio at a professional capacity for work - only for streaming occasionally and for use in discord. I prefer to feed the fam and get the look I was going for instead with this super cheap version. Thanks for the vid.
Nice video, also consider using a Beta57 and the huge Shute extra large windscreen they make for it or I guess just an sm57. It’s right from shure and cost about $35 bucks but it fits great and gives amazing wind protection. I believe they use this mic in this setup (pretty sure it’s an sm57 standard) in the White House garden when the president speaks from that location to the public in an address.
I guess you could just buy the large Shure windscreen for the 58 as well.
Its what I use and I love it, just as good at avoiding plosives and all the other bennies of the SM7B windscreen setup.
I had the other two mics but yeah, the SM57 would be a great candidate!
@@dslrvideoshooter deff, mostly like you said in the video, get a big ass windscreen, it’s the chief difference between the SM7B and the others. It’s a very fool-proof set-up
I like how he did redialog with the mic in the front and shows the mic on the side on the video awesome!!
I’ve used a 58 for years. Always thought it sounded great. Thanks for another great video.
Thanks man! I have a Sure SM58 lying around somewhere in my place and as soon as I find it I'll give this a shot.
I don't know if I would use this. But I do love diy projects so I'll probably do it with my SM48 for kicks and gigs. If nothing else looks like a really fun project.
The sm48 can be had for like $40, not sure how it compares to the other really cheap one but it's also an option. It's similar to the SM58 but needs more gain.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the SM7B and SM58 have almost identical capsules? Needs fact checking,
I do really want to print a pink one for my wife. That would be cool
They are not exactly the same, but the 58, 57 and 7b are based on a same element but with different mods each, some say the 7b is like having the other two in a box
@@karaniivt thank you for clarification.
the 58 has been one of the go to stage mics for ages.
Thats very cool!
Update: Ok for me with the XM8500 it comes down to 65-75$ in cost (baring the screws). I dont have a 3d printer so am guessing that will add 10-20$. Still seems good for me but do you think it will give a much greater preformance if I do the upgrade? The base Xm8500 costs 25$ now so the upgrade is 40-50$.
Caleb, you are the OG (Original Genius) of so many trends on RUclips. Thank you for another great video and how you support the community. I look forward to the algorithm really paying you your dues. Be blessed.
The highs on the SM7B sound much cleaner. Still, this is a pretty cool video Caleb. I still appreciate this immensely. That said, I have both the MV7 and SM58... 😁
You could definitely add some EQ towards the 4-6k range to get it closer. It's never going to sound exactly like an SM7b, but for my professional work when I'm out of the studio I go to my 58 and the client never has any idea.
When I studied the schematic for the SM7B I thought it was essentially an SM57 capsule in a fancy can. Lo and behold, according to Shure, that is what it is :-) Two things: Leave the transformer in place or you could blow the directly connected voice-coil in the capsule if you inadvertently connect and disconnect phantom power. The mesh screen is metal in the SM7B as a way to provide a Faraday cage, for to isolate the voice-coil from EM disturbances that are prevalent in a professional broadcast studio setting, with light dimmers, etc. My choice is the Shure beta 58A with -51 db of a sensitivity, a built in pop shield, a strong metal grille, etc. I added the official windshield to mine, just to add a finish. I have the "impression" that the audio is slightly smoother, too, but am not sure if it really is. Nice job with the 3-D printing. Perhaps there is a paint with metal particles that would metalize the whole thing.
No problem with phantom power and a moving coil dynamic cartridge connected directly to pins 2 and 3 of the xlr without going through a transformer.
It’s an interesting video, but the real question is, other than the “podcaster” or “radio” look of the SM7b, why not just buy an SM57 with the extended windscreen kit instead? It’s been successfully used by Presidents and other high profile people for decades and uses the same Unidyne capsule as the 58 and the 7b. The DIY project seems fun, but unnecessary in a few ways. If you want the project concept then putting a small frame inside of the windscreen with a bit of nylon stocking stretched over it will create an additional pop filter. The SM57 is also less expensive than the SM58.
I've been using the SM57 for years and much prefer it over the SM58. Endorsing your thoughts.
@@chrismooney-singh2055 Why?
@@ylevision7088 The SM57 although designed as an instrument microphone serves well as a vocal mic. The smaller grille size also limits plosives. That's my experience. Used in a home studio that's not soundproofed this dynamic mic also limits background noise.
@@chrismooney-singh2055 Knowing they're really the same microphone, do you really "much prefer" the sm57 over the sm58? If so, why?
@@ylevision7088 read my reply above. I own both mics so I speak from my experience. In the end it's personal choice. I'm not sure why you keep asking me this question.
Can't wait for the parts to be in stock !!! I'm gonna get one
I bet this took a bit of time to put together. Well done Caleb
Thanks Fellow Filmmaker. Yes. Yes it did ha!
Blown away! I’ve been looking at the $400 mic for a minute and now, I can get the same thing but waaay cheaper! Thanks!
Dude... No. Looking similar and sounding similar are separate. The resonate frequencies for one are totally different. It's not just about the capsule which is also affected by the enclosure and build even if they use the same element. Are two cameras the same because they have the same lens? There's a reason one is referred to as a broadcast dynamic and the other a handheld dynamic. Just like how you hand hold a microphone matters for the frequency pickup, the enclosure design affects the sound too. You might as well say that any two microphones are the same if they can screw onto a mic stand.
I actually like more the sound of the 3 you are testing, than the one you use.
This pretty much just killed the new overpriced Chinese Universal Audio SM7B knock off as far as being a cheaper option. You can do a crazy custom paint job on this prior to building it to.
I didn't even know that existed!
@@dslrvideoshooter well they're about to find out this one exists pretty soon. Good job!
@@dslrvideoshooter Is it possible for you to add the tilting bracket to the site? I'd like to see if I can get it to function more like the OEM version with a few ideas.
Printed it. Looks cool af. Doesn't matter if it changes the sound, I have an eq. Two, if you count the microphone.
i would do this if I still had access to a 3d printer and id call it the SM7BS
That is how I labeled all of the 3D STL files 😂😂😂 Great minds think alike!
For podcasts with video the SM7B gives a pro look so I see how this can be very useful
Had a question re: 3D print. We've just tried printing it using PLA+ at 20%. Results are good, but not perfect, and I'm concerned with minor issues and crush points. Can you give us some tips on what printing filament was used and the settings? Thanks.
I second this! Look to try printing this asap but not sure as to what filament will work and look best and if there certain features to look for when buying a 3d printer?
I third this! Print settings would be super helpful.
I had excellent results using eSUN PLA PRO in Pine Green Color (My favorite color and filament)
I was using the Voxelab Aquila X2 Upgrade, stock everything, stock extruder and base plate. I was able to snag it on sale for $180, highly recommend.
I used my standard profile in Cura, 18% infill, 3 line walls, layer height 0.2mm, infill speed 50mm/s, Wall speed 25mm/s, no supports needed for the main two body pieces, and even the mesh part printed surprisingly well.
I've had an amazingly easy ride with the Aquilla so far, easy to level and stay level, following some of the amazing setup vids.
The eSUN filament prints like a dream, I've also had great luck with all of the Matte Filaments from Overture PLA, in Black, white, and Tan, really beautiful and nice finish right off the printer.
i used PLA, 20% infill gyroid with tree supports and it printed great.
Very cool! I've done extensive analysis of the SM series mic engineering and produced a prototype that has similar SM7 characteristics achieved by using a separated sm7 style dynamic capsule, with similar sm7 style comb filter cap, and customized internal shock mount, without the transformer and external aluminum body made from a storage canister with internal dampening material, The grill was made from perforated steel sheet. Total cost about $60.
Also note the body of prototype I built has a rear resonating chamber that allows more balanced low end response.
Well this is probably going to change the game
You should call it an SM7-Wanna-B
The cheaper one sounded exactly like the SM7B. The SM58 was slightly missing the crispier high notes but was still clear and nice to listen to.
listening through RUclips compression isn't exactly ideal but as a voice actor and mic nerd here's what I heard through my cans. The SM58 in that enclosure loses a lot go the upper frequency clarity - that air and sparkle that gives a brighter sound is gone. This could possibly be corrected with EQ though maybe at he expense of introducing more signal noise. The little $30 mic obviously lacks any depth but did sound a little better when it was raised up. The SM7b has a much more premium "radio ready" sound but honestly with judicious use of eq and compression I think the SM58 mod could get 90% of the way there at 25% of the price.
Hello! Thank you for that amazing design! It has some flaws though (I'll come back to it later)
I installed a Beta 58a inside instead of anSM58 and the sound is AMAZING while having a good look. Again, great overall design.
Flaws in the design: We printed this kit on several machines, FDM and resin, and always had the same issue: the grill won't screw properly...
After further inspection, I found exactly why!
1- There is not enough clearance in the base... I had to sand-down the grill ring to make it fit better. It makes the grill more fragile though. Making the diameter of the cavity 1mm larger overall would fix this I am sure (I will try at some point!)
2- The 1st thread is not angled. I did it with a knife and it helps a lot!
Thank you!
The metal grill is very necessary to avoid interference from other electric so i suggest to keep the grill on or make a grill of metal instead of 3d printing
because PLA somehow interferes with electronics?
Wow. Sounds EXACTLY the same. I need this for my channel!
At first I was expecting some absolute buffoonery but was pleasantly surprised.
Pretty darn good. Less highs from most to least. Some mid/low bump on the 7B.
I've had the XM8500 for over 6 years now and it's sooo good! It already sounds great right out of the box with no EQ or processing but you can make it sound sooooo amazing when running EQ and compression through it. I paired mine up with the GoXLR Mini and EQed the mic to make it sound just as good, or maybe even better than 400-500 bucks mic LOL!
Your Sennehiser 416 and EQ sounds amazing in comparison!
best idea I have seen in the world of mics
Heads up for those trying to print the parts. The part labelled "SM7BS-Grill-V1.stl" loaded into my slicer (Cura) in the wrong orientation. It's obvious from the sloping (intended to eliminate need for supports) that it loaded upside down. Basically the grill part (with holes) should be down and the threaded area (for screwing onto the main body) should be up. Rotating (180 degrees) in the slicer before slicing will get desired result.
Im runninng around the house like a crazy dude ! Duuuude ! This video is amazing!
This dude is throwing gems to us every time
bro you should have a MasterClass along with MKBHD, you never fail to amaze. Thanks for the cad files btw gonna print them rn
I hear the difference with my headphones - I believe the sm7b is substantially less fatiguing to listen to than the sm58 and likewise the sm58 over the $20 mic. Thank you though for setting up this test - helps confirm what I thought was true.
You can also do some EQ referencing and you'll basically have an identical microphone.
Caleb, you're a legend.
XM 800 sound surprisingly good
DAAAAAMN... Nice work, man! This is was GREAT video. I was stunned by how close the 100$ mic was the 400$
You're a really cool guy. Always coming out with little cheats and tricks
fantastic video idea! This is why i really enjoy watching your channel!
I've been looking for exactly this for the past few years :D
Awesome!!
All pretty decent. Listening to the tests with Sennheiser HD 558's
SM7B - Fullness with the most top end clarity
SM58 - Lacking some of the highest clarity "sparkle" weird bassy hump that seems to augment the voice
XM8500 - Lots less bass and more voiced to mimic SM7B clarity but lacks an even response almost nasally.
With all that being said this is me straining my ears to focus on the differences. I think the sm58 works least best on my voice as its already bass heavy in nature.
I think doing this project for podcast mics with the XM8500 is the best value prposition
Thank you for this shootout! IMO, the fundamental issue with the SM58 is that it's so damn woofy and I feel like I really here it still in here. It just muffles and muds and I don't understand why a microphone made for vocals would emphasize that area lol.
It only needs a little bit of EQ to take the bass lower and the mids higher and it would sound incredibly closer, insane that they sell the SM58 for so cheap
Julian Krause also came up with this EQ curve to match the SM7b. 10.5k -4db Q5, 6.4k -3db Q3, 4.2k -3db Q1 & optional 80hz +5db 6db/octive
Wow!!! That was close. I want this