Battle of Britain: Trusting in God & Praying for Radar

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  • Опубликовано: 2 янв 2025

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  • @TomOwensUAP
    @TomOwensUAP  День назад +1

    Overseeing the sourcing of "The Few"
    ruclips.net/video/T-VvTx4p158/видео.html

  • @oldaircraftguy8844
    @oldaircraftguy8844 4 месяца назад +18

    I remember, as a very young boy, 5 or 6 years old, meeting a gentleman who survived an aircraft fire. He was one of the "Guinea Pigs", his horrendous injuries made me stare, it cost me a stiff rebuke and a clip round the ear, from my dad. My father ( a former RAF airframe rigger ) apologised for my ignorance. The gent told my dad not to worry about it, smiled at me, as best he could, patted me on the head and cheerfully remarked that " I don't suppose you've seen any one like me before". I'm very sorry Sir, I replied. He smiled again and carried on. That was over 60 years ago and my ear still stings when I think of it!

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  4 месяца назад +3

      To think how close we are in some parts of the free world to undo the result of this kind of sacrifice of the few.... it simultaneously frightens and angers me. That stinging ear may be far more symbolic than we know. Per ardua ad astra, my respected friend.

    • @carlhicksjr8401
      @carlhicksjr8401 4 месяца назад +1

      There are some things you learn as a child that stick with you forever. And for us guys, it's usually something negative.. 'don't do this' or 'don't say that'.
      The former aircrewman with the injury was a complete gentleman about the whole thing, offering you a positive lesson in addition to the clip upside the head.
      I'm a lifelong military historian and your story reminded me of something I'd read recently. As you know, World War One saw a huge increase in facial wounds among all sides. You're also likely aware of Dr. Harold Gillies' pioneering work in facial reconstruction. There were laws in both the US and UK about those men with horrible disfigurements being in public. These men couldn't ride public transportation, eat in restaurants, in some cases not even sit on park benches in public. The excuse was that their faces were upsetting to women and children, but people didn't want to be reminded of the war so graphically. And it wasn't until the Battle of Britain that any of these laws were repealed in the UK. Cockpit burns to the face were all too common, especially in Hurricane aircraft [they called them SHB, for 'standard Hurricane burns'] and 'The Few' were heroes. It was felt then that treating men wounded in such a fashion was simply a lousy thing to do.

    • @TheGroundedAviator
      @TheGroundedAviator 3 месяца назад +1

      @@TomOwensUAP My conservative dad who was a kid in the 50s may have an answer as to why elements are being undone at times.
      At that time there was a strict social mold expected of people and those who didn't fit in had it hard, often abused or broken down in order to maintain the illusion of morality and conformity.
      You abuse, mistreat or destroy someone and in the end even after they finally get accepted the damage is done and history repeats in reverse.
      Not my words or that of the woke but of a conservative whose no snowflake but one who'd seen what happens.

    • @TheGroundedAviator
      @TheGroundedAviator 3 месяца назад

      @@TomOwensUAP That's why he respects the rights of minorities and those pushed aside. Because they are people who've usually done no harm and if abused would become no less toxic than a rigid society that abused them.

  • @vinceq1036
    @vinceq1036 Год назад +42

    Thank God for Dowding and Park.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +6

      I'll second that!

    • @northuniroyal643
      @northuniroyal643 Год назад +4

      @@TomOwensUAP 3rd

    • @James-nl6fu
      @James-nl6fu 4 месяца назад

      🙂"stuffy"🙂Dowding's insistence on priority for the snobs ludicrously fragile Spitfire one almost costbthebBritish the war🙂

    • @100temps
      @100temps 4 месяца назад +3

      Both sacked immediately after BOB, there’s thanks for you.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  4 месяца назад +1

      Well... both sure were in high stress positions during the BOB.
      Would it be true to say that at 58 years old... Hugh Dowding was already overdue for retirement and when he was finally released from RAF Fighter Command on 17 November 1940... it made sense that Park would exit No. 11 Fighter Group for No. 23 Training Group soon after... specifically on 7 December 1940?

  • @raypurchase801
    @raypurchase801 Год назад +26

    Strictly speaking, Dowding would've referred to "RDF" or "chain home" because the word "radar" wasn't yet in common use. Some compromises are required if you're writing a screenplay for a movie, as opposed to a 500-page book for nerds.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +10

      Yes, great comment. I think the dignified radiolocation was also used in Britain until radar won out with the American influence. To your point, I've always appreciated that certain 2 hour + films can spark an interest in a fraction of the audience that will then go on to read the books. Again, great comment and thank you for checking in here.

    • @christopher-ke9nj
      @christopher-ke9nj 3 месяца назад

      Nerds nah just God rest them people who pray for them. What General Weygand the Battle of France is over you know the rest

  • @TomOwensUAP
    @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +6

    0:50 notice the information posed as a gentle question.

  • @raypurchase801
    @raypurchase801 Год назад +16

    Dowding's reply was centred on his Christian spiritualist beliefs.
    Hence "Trusting in God, praying for Radar".
    Like many veterans of the great war, he suffered immense grief over the loss of so many of his friends.
    Hence his spiritualist beliefs.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +4

      As you will see if you look around the channel, I am respectful of both believers and skeptics... so long they are not violent extremists and can peacefully dialogue with truthful answers to questions they are asked. Dowding is featured on this channel because of the Radiolocation-God quote which links to his 11 July 1954 op-ed in the London Sunday Dispatch: I Believe in Flying Saucers. In the past, that idea has been summarily disrespected and dismissed by some as pure wishful thinking rooted in human emotion over the brutal losses you mention. However, UAP evidence that was deliberately hidden from public view in the past is now coming to the light of day. Summary level statements laced with loaded-language and logical fallacies have been used to sow disinformation and doubt... with many humans just starting to learn that only a Q&A exchange on the details will out the premises supporting the advanced conclusion.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +5

      ​@@bobsakamanos4469 > "Most people among the Allies were Christians then."
      Among the Western allies, yes. Different kinds of Christians though... some fundamentalist/literalist... and some who studied the texts in detail identifying as Christians but fully understanding the allegorical and astronomical references in the NT that some have, apparently, still missed to this day.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +4

      @@bobsakamanos4469 I've noticed a growing trend among those humans either unable or simply unwilling to learn the details required for UAP advancement to bandy pejorative words like pedantic, semantics or to use other thought terminating clichés in attempt to block the free exchange of clues, symbols and information. I'm hopeful that one day those who might begin a thread by offering information will also be able to receive summary level hints to new information with the same grace.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +5

      @@bobsakamanos4469> "Sorry, I lost track of who I was responding to."
      I understand your frustration with that, so no worries. On your new topic... as a pilot myself, I've read Brown's book Wings on My Sleeve (2007) and in fact I have it here on my shelf. The flying saucer event was in February of 1956 and he actually chased it in a de Havilland Vampire from Royal Air Station Brawdy. He gave a description similar to that given by US fighter pilot and astronaut Gordon Cooper as not being able to climb high enough to reach it. As you hinted... his quote is: "Where I once scoffed - I now have an open mind."
      ruclips.net/video/T5eI_am8EbE/видео.html

    • @JamesRichards-mj9kw
      @JamesRichards-mj9kw Год назад +1

      @@bobsakamanos4469 The Soviet Union was anti-Christian.

  • @DanBeech-ht7sw
    @DanBeech-ht7sw 7 месяцев назад +7

    The irony was that the British overestimated German strength considerably, and the Germans underestimated British strength considerably. Although at the time we thought they were training more pilots than us, in fact the reverse was true.
    Also, in September 1940, Britain was producing more tanks, ships and planes than Germany. Not brilliant tanks, but enough to see off an invasion.
    At the time it looked desperate, and that indeed is the narrative we have believed ever since, but in fact the Germans were nowhere near able to cross the Channel. If only they had, then they would have lost their invasion force in weeks, and that would have given the Russians more time to prepare - or perhaps the Germans would never have invaded Russia. There might even have been a army coup against Hitler.

  • @jamesmasztalerz5930
    @jamesmasztalerz5930 7 месяцев назад +5

    "They just fell on us, they got my number two and the CO, you saw Canfield go down, it blew up, just blew up"

  • @christopher-ke9nj
    @christopher-ke9nj 3 месяца назад +2

    The air battles were Epically choreographed

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  3 месяца назад +1

      I thought so... and I really liked the film. Others express different opinions. Thank you for checking in.

  • @anguscovoflyer95
    @anguscovoflyer95 Год назад +4

    2:20 HE BLEW UP!!! HE JUST BLEW UP!!!

  • @TomOwensUAP
    @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +9

    Hugh Dowding, respectfully, is often featured on this channel because of his Radar-God quote and links to his 11 July 1954 op-ed in the London Sunday Dispatch: I Believe in Flying Saucers. In apparent attempt to reduce the outing of this information, propaganda trolls target the video with truths, half-truths and outright falsehoods without answering the questions that would undermine their position.
    Newly declassified US intel claims Russia is laundering propaganda through unwitting Westerners
    www.cnn.com/2023/08/25/politics/us-intel-russia-propaganda/index.html

  • @DanBeech-ht7sw
    @DanBeech-ht7sw 7 месяцев назад +5

    I saw Leigh Mallory in "Where Eagles Dare". He's a wrong 'un, mark my words.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  6 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, yes... good comment and a great classic film from 1968 based on the 1967 novel by Alistair MacLean. That's Patrick Wymark who has a few contributions in my field of interest.... and who also, very sadly, exited our world stage at far too young and age. Stay tuned for a video post on this subject.

  • @TheGroundedAviator
    @TheGroundedAviator 3 месяца назад

    Brothers in arms.
    It may have been called the "Dowding System" and yeah, his mastery at management and allocating technology was key, Park was involved from the start and was probably the best combat pilot still serving from WW1 in the RAF at the time. He even developed elements of the system behind his back just to see if they worked.

    • @walterkronkitesleftshoe6684
      @walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 2 месяца назад +1

      My comment is for the sake of accuracy and NOT in any way meant to demean or diminish the role of AVM Park during the battle, but Dowding had been AOC ADGB (Air Officer Commanding the Air Defence of Great Britain) since Dec 1929, followed by his appointment as AOC RAF Fighter Command since its creation in 1936. AVM Keith Park was only posted into RAF Fighter Command in July 1938, and had NOT been a part of the design & creation of the "Chain Home" system, and it was also Dowding who had been a MAJOR force in the creation of the British Empire Air Traning Scheme, and Commonwealth Air Training Plans that JUST ABOUT came "online" in time to start providing the RAF with a steadily growing supply of trained pilots, and again without which the RAF would have been quickly bled to death during the battle of Britain as eventually happened to the Luftwaffe over the course of WW2.
      NONE of which diminishes or demeans the crucial and masterful direction of 11 group Fighter Command by one of the most unsung heroes of WW2, AVM Keith Park.

  • @jeffsmith2022
    @jeffsmith2022 6 месяцев назад +3

    An excellent film with wonderful aerial footage...

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  6 месяцев назад +1

      I thought so too... thank you for checking in.

  • @christopher-ke9nj
    @christopher-ke9nj 9 месяцев назад +1

    Big Wing Spits and Hurricanes differ in flat out pace Dowding, knew it Park for God's sake Bader how in the name of

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Месяц назад

      Just seeing this now. Thank you for the comment.

  • @leeedsonetwo
    @leeedsonetwo 7 месяцев назад +3

    They should have let the women fly combat missions, pilot problem solved.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  7 месяцев назад +1

      www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2020/06/11/this-air-force-pilot-is-the-first-woman-to-fly-the-f-35-in-combat/

    • @ieatoutoften872
      @ieatoutoften872 2 дня назад

      The British women assembled the state-of-the-art airplanes, and delivered them as pilots for the A.T.A. The multi-national men have to do something sometime.

  • @pratapbalakrishna3036
    @pratapbalakrishna3036 6 месяцев назад

    Wot was RobertvWatson- Watt doink.

  • @tombrydson781
    @tombrydson781 Год назад +1

    Correct 😊

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +1

      Correct is positive word, but I'd still be interested to know what specifically you are suggesting is correct. Over to you, when able.

  • @JamesRichards-mj9kw
    @JamesRichards-mj9kw Год назад +42

    "The greatest tragedy is that you British and we Germans are not fighting side by side against the real enemy, Russia." - Rommel

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +6

      James, are you able to provide a source citation for the quote in the comment above that you are attributing to Erwin Rommel? If not, I will have to remove the quote as spurious propaganda.

    • @JamesRichards-mj9kw
      @JamesRichards-mj9kw Год назад +4

      @@TomOwensUAP "How an elite group of Jewish refugees helped to defeat the Third Reich" by "The Forward" magazine.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +5

      @@JamesRichards-mj9kw which in turn cites the book "X Troop: The Secret Jewish Commandos of World War II." by Leah Garrett as published by Mariner books in May of 2021.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +8

      @@JamesRichards-mj9kw your quote stands as truthful with support from the credible source "X Troop". The exchange continued:
      “Sir, how can the British and Germans fight side by side considering what we know about what the Nazis are doing to the Jews? No Englishman could ever tolerate such a thing.”
      “Well, that’s a political argument, and as a soldier you shouldn’t be interested in politics at all,” Rommel answers curtly.
      “I’m sorry, sir, but it’s very important to us English,” replies the Jewish refugee from Budapest.

    • @northuniroyal643
      @northuniroyal643 Год назад +6

      @@TomOwensUAP so James omitted the response from Lane and is peppering the post with pro-N props?

  • @christopher-ke9nj
    @christopher-ke9nj 4 месяца назад

    I hate Leigh Mallory Douglas Bafer with a passion there's a forty twenty mph difference between a Spitfire and a Hurricane that's why it takes so bloody long to get Fifty aircraft together, eleven's airfields are getting it Sir Hugh and Sir Keith knew it I venture more give me

  • @christopher-ke9nj
    @christopher-ke9nj 2 месяца назад +1

    Up yours Mallory

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Месяц назад

      Feel the same regarding Bader?

    • @christopher-ke9nj
      @christopher-ke9nj Месяц назад +1

      @@TomOwensUAP Yes Both are jealous of Dowding are jealous of Dowding a Scot Park 11 group New Zealand both have to know there's some 40mph difference between a Spitfire and a Hurricane which is why is why it takes so damn long to get get them together when 11 groups fields are getting it

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Месяц назад +1

      @@christopher-ke9nj Now I'm betting if they had complained in that specific way... the airspeed difference.... Mallory would have suggested that he take all the faster Spitfires for No. 12 Group further North. Snort.

    • @christopher-ke9nj
      @christopher-ke9nj 11 дней назад

      Honest to God the difference between a Hurricane and a Spitfire some forty mph no wonder the took so bloody long my comments go for Bader an' all

  • @johndavid5618
    @johndavid5618 6 месяцев назад +1

    Get your bloody ass into gear.

  • @robertparisi8016
    @robertparisi8016 Год назад +1

    Captain blai

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +4

      If you mean that British actor Trevor Howard who appeared in 1969's Battle of Britain as Air Vice Marshal Keith Park also portrayed Royal Navy officer William Bligh in 1962's Mutiny on the Bounty... then YES! Nice catch.

    • @robertparisi8016
      @robertparisi8016 Год назад +3

      @@TomOwensUAP yes I do ! Luv that movie, Mr, CHRISTIAAAAAAN !!!!

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +4

      @@robertparisi8016 Charles Laughton delivers an iconic "Mr Christian!" line in the 1935 version of the film with Clark Gable as Fletcher Christian.

  • @JamesRichards-mj9kw
    @JamesRichards-mj9kw Год назад +5

    After the end of the war in Europe Patton wrote, "We may have been fighting the wrong enemy all along."
    He later wrote, "I think we've been fighting the wrong people all this time."

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +11

      For which it is a fact that Eisenhower rightly removed him from command. It is pretty clear that Nazi atrocities prior to US entry into World War II made that totalitarian government an enemy of the free world. Stalin was no better... and it is a fact that Nikita Khrushchev openly condemned Stalin for his crimes.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +11

      In reply to this comment, I received a statement held for review by RUclips that the Allies had also committed mass murder atrocities and that this was why Patton opposed the Nuremberg Trial. When I asked for specifics, the response was the common Nazi apologist reference to the Soviet NKVD's Katyn Massacre of captured Polish officers and intelligentsia in the spring of 1940 following the 1 September 1939 Nazi invasion of Poland from the West and the resultant Soviet invasion of Poland from the East on 17 September 1939. Lumping Stalin's draconian government in with the Western Allies of the United States, Britain, France, and Canada is risible propaganda... especially given the Cold War which followed soon after in March 1947. It is perfectly reasonable to oppose both totalitarian governments, fascist and communist, and you don't have to make the mistake of rooting for one over the other. The whole nature of this channel is to assist humans in rising above an Us vs Them mentality... and you will often find some using higher view count videos to spread their slanted half-truth hate rhetoric. Don't let them do it. Here's an article just out documenting the evidence of how Putin's propaganda is being laundered by unwitting westerners.
      Newly declassified US intel claims Russia is laundering propaganda through unwitting Westerners
      www.cnn.com/2023/08/25/politics/us-intel-russia-propaganda/index.html

    • @garryferrington811
      @garryferrington811 9 месяцев назад

      The current Russian propaganda services are very good at destabilization.

  • @JamesRichards-mj9kw
    @JamesRichards-mj9kw Год назад +2

    Germany also had radar.
    Radar was a German invention.

    • @raypurchase801
      @raypurchase801 Год назад +10

      No. The FIRST patent was indeed a German patent, but it couldn't work because there was no means of displaying the resultant image. Radar (or in the more accurate phrasing of the time, "radio direction finding) was exclusively British. The Germans were aware the British were developing radar, and a visit by the airship (Hindenburg?) was used as a means of detecting British experimental transmissions. After that the Germans played "catch up". The German systems always lagged behind the British radar. The earliest experiments were based upon the idea that sending an electronic pulse towards an aircraft might make the engine fail.

    • @raypurchase801
      @raypurchase801 Год назад +5

      @@JamesRichards-mj9kw Your hatred is irrational.

    • @TomOwensUAP
      @TomOwensUAP  Год назад +5

      @@raypurchase801 I'm very appreciative that you have weighed in on this. I normally block this kind of hate propaganda right off... but it may be beneficial if we simply work to expose it with source citations to the detailed facts instead of ignoring it. I will provide a few comments in response to James... but if at any time his behavior makes operations here unpleasant for you, I will remove him. Your contributions are respected here.

    • @northuniroyal643
      @northuniroyal643 Год назад +1

      @@TomOwensUAP I agree with you and Ray. RADAR is a SYSTEM for Radio Detection and Ranging, and that requires the Plan Position Indicator or PPI. James is apparently disgusted with the Nazis and AH for abandoning research into radar around 1940 because they thought they had already won the war?

    • @raypurchase801
      @raypurchase801 Год назад +4

      @@TomOwensUAP Thanks, Tom! But no need to delete him.
      Also, I want to say how much I appreciate your video showing the letter. Many of us who visit clips from this movie are nerds who've been reading dozens of books about this subject since the movie first came out. This letter is new to me, and it provided a "Wow!" moment.