SpaceX Starlink Direct To Cell vs AT&T
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- SpaceX Starlink announced a direct-to-cell connection with speeds rivaling those of AT&T DSL / U-Verse while using a cell tower 550KM in space traveling at 17,000 MPH.
Should all telcos be worried about what their future looks like with SpaceX Starlink has tens of thousands of satellites with direct-to-cell phone functionality.
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SpaceX Starlink announced a direct-to-cell connection with speeds rivaling those of AT&T DSL / U-Verse while using a cell tower 550KM in space traveling at 17,000 MPH.
Should all telcos be worried about what their future looks like with SpaceX Starlink has tens of thousands of satellites with direct-to-cell phone functionality.
Subscribe, Share, and Like if so inclined! Also, after watching, consider commenting!
Please add your experiences using the Starlink system!
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Just the tip of the iceberg.
I have a question about the graph you showed for the "speed test"
Looking at it a little longer there is ALOT of (what looks like) packet loss.. And each test is a 1 second time line.. Why would they do a test like this?
I didn't get anything like that level of packet loss on my Starlink service.
That makes me think they are doing VERY brief bursts of data with no kind of packet correction or wait time for late packets to arrive.. Both of witch would add to jitter and over all speed ability.
I find this rather misleading of a test to show as it is nothing like a real world test.
Do we really expect to believe that a small cell phone can get a more stabilized connection then the multi hundred dollar dedicated hardware of Dishy???
Thoughts please.
Any chance you could shift those Amazon links and advertising into your channel profile instead of posting into the comments?
@@Napster60 I think that this would only work one way, satellite to mobile. Hence TXT messaging bring the only service being advertised. At least that's what's being advertised here by Vodafone.OneNZ.
Personally I'm thinking that this service being advertised for rural connections direct to mobile is going to be installing a Starlink dish with outdoor WiFi and then using RCS on the mobile phones to do the messaging via the network not the cellular sideband. The only other way could be using dual SIM with three secondary one receiving a signal directly via the satellite but only one-way packets hence messaging which doesn't always require sending ACK packets back.
@@conceptrat
My comment was just pointing out that it's far more compromised than they are leading on to believe with that "speed test"
If they are limiting it to text message only that would make sense because voice needs a more stable and higher speed connection. But no I don't think it's 1 way and I don't think you would need any additional hardware to use the signal..
Ham radio operators have been bouncing signals off the moon with handheld radios for years. It's not a stretch in my opinion to talk to low orbit satellites from a phone.
Lived years with copper Pseudo DSL from Frontier being told it’s DSL speed……cut the cord now with StarLink and doing great for over a year. Still have AT&T cellular phone service so hearing StarLink has connected Sat. To Cell is of great interest! BRING IT ON! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I am very remote in the Blue Mountains of Eastern Oregon, all that is available here is CenturyLink. They provide phone service to our residence. We build a brand new house here a few years back, and they would not offer us internet at that time because there was no available bandwidth with there current system. The technology used is antique, there is a tower that had a dish on it, and that dish sends a signal to this white billboard up on the hill, and the signal bounces off like 3 billboards on different mountains until it get to a town 60 miles away. That is where our telephone service comes from. They charge us like $60 a month for this old antiquated technology. No cell phone coverage here either. Starlink is all we have, and we are very happy with it.
What you should have done is build a Fibre Network at your home during the build, layering the foundations for the cable fit to run through your home and the walls, then a small server room behind the walls that will give you an advantage.
I live in the boondocks 4 miles outside a town of 5000 people in the woods of north East Washington state and thanks to your advice I get star link.
You bet!!
Starlink will become the 'Standatd'. The traditional players are/will be in trouble.
I think you are right.
@@jcristina the core still comes from the carrier, transmitted to the satellite from starlink ground control then sent from eNodeB ... I'm not convinced this would be achieved without carrier cooperation. If you think about how carriers evolved when voice and data over IP became possible with the likes of WhatsApp they were able to block that and then eventually built it into plans. Same would happen here. I think the greatest risk to traditional telco players, is Elon makes a Starlink "Tesla" Phone and that would be a big problem for Apple as much as it would for carriers.
Excellent video, great information. Thanks for the update. Telcos should be very scared.
Thanks!
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Thank so much!! Glad you're here!
I live in a rural area, I have Starlink, I look forward to Direct To Cell!
Thank you for another great video. Here in the mountains of Colorado I am in the exact same boat that you are with fiber and DSL shortcomings. At the entrance to my neighborhood of 40 homes, we have had fiber running past us for over 15 years. The nearest.Dslam is 5 miles away. That one another neighborhood had to purchase on their own. The telecommunications company wouldn’t consider putting one in even though there was fiber here. the best DSL service I could get was 12 Mb download and a pathetic 2 Mb upload. Yes again there is fiber less than a quarter mile from my house. We are so thankful for Starlink. And your videos!
Hi, big fan of the channel. I'm a UK expat living in the mountains of Mongolia in a yurt camp. Starlink just started here and I'll get my dish next week. It'll be a revolution for us. We had only one provider up until now for 4g. The speed is not terrible (100Mbps up, 32Mbps down) but they charge an arm and a leg for data. About $0.30 per gigabyte and we are heavy data users. So our bill is about $133 per month. There is a lower cost option with 4G WIFI that costs $0.18 per gigabyte but it's clamped to 7Mbps up and down.
Starlink's monthly residential charge in Mongolia will be $54 per month. So we should have a considerable saving and break even on the dish in 6 months, then save money thereafter.
Mongolia is an interesting case because it's a massive country the size of the western USA or western Europe yet only has 3.3 million people. More than half have no internet or very slow internet. Essentially anywhere outside the city centers has no internet or 4g towers, if they're lucky.
Starlink will be so helpful for everyone there.
did you get it?
@@carlosguevara5154yes we’ve had Starlink for a couple of months.
I hate this term but it’s been a game changer for us. Cheaper and faster. How often does that happen.
There have been a few hiccups but nothing we can’t live with. The last big solar storm caused some issues but not awful.
@@martinfoster5163 well, we have to admit that not every century we get solar storm like that one lol. Im glad you are doing good, I will get this in the next 2 years when I move to the beach. thank you for the feedback
Even in the massive solar storm the disruption was minor.
I just think Starlink will get better and better as they add my satellites.
We still occasionally get gaps when there are probably not satellites. We see this as buffering of videos on RUclips or Netflix.
Spot on! Good info Joe!
Thanks!
I think it's great that we will be able to place calls on Starlink. For years, AT&T seams to be going down hill. The ability to do this will also kill the satphone company's. What a great deal an ordinary cell phone placing regular calls and satphone calls.
I live about 15 miles away from a town in any direction. Att within the last 2 years has ran fiber about 10 miles down a state road and then probably another 1.5 miles down the road I live on, to a new tower they put up. Funny thing is even being less than 4 miles away from the new tower it still doesn't service my house. Starlink is doing more to connect people than any telco has in the past 20 years. If I drive down the roads near me I can probably count about 20+ houses that now have Starlink. Maybe more would have it if they knew about it. You always see these old junk companies with advertising signs at the ends of the roads. If one of those signs was a Starlink one, nobody would even consider the other options.
Remember the song "in the year 2525"? You will still be WAITING for AT&T. 😅🤣🤢
If man is still alive...
I'll gladly buy an unlocked phone and sign up for Starlink phone service when it becomes available.
I'm currently waiting for fiber at my location. The ran the cable to the house and installed the modem, now they just have to connect them in the outside box. I think the company that's doing it, Open Infra, had to slow down after they broke a water main digging to run their fiber in another location. Once I finally get the fiber, I will use Starlink as my backup service.
Keep on keepin' on, man!
Same situation here in slightly northern Colorado. We are on 10 acres just 5 miles north of a city (Brighton, CO) with fiber but we have no fiber connectivity at our house. Been checking AT&T and CenturyLink for the last 15 years just as you describe. I finally added Starlink 6 months ago and couldn't be more pleased! Keep up the good work!
Frontier is our only option in our area. I live in a rural community, literally on top of a mountain, and there is fiber down the road in town however they will not run the fiber to my house. Been asking them for years for fiber, up to the time I got Starlink. They did use the existing copper phone lines to provide internet. And we used to get 10 mbps down and 3 up. (DSL) Now I have Starlink! Fantastic! Speed varies but no issues with streaming and some glitches with video calls but not bad, but getting better over time. It will be two years of Starlink service this month. Very happy! Only 2 outages in the 2 years. Longest was an hour or so. Others in town with fiber have had more outages over 2 years for much longer periods of time. Sometimes days! Mostly due to catastrophic events like a flooded river washing away the fiber running under a bridge. Trees falling on wires (fibers). Etc…..
Living in rural Tennessee. My church needed internet. AT&T could only provide DSL at 3.5 megabits per second. Comcast and AT&T wanted $40,000 to deploy fiber or cable. Starlink deploy in about a week $700 in equipment cost. Uploading videos to RUclips at about 22 megabits per second. When T-mobile deploys Starlink I will have to look at switching carriers.
It angers me every time I hear about all my tax dollars that went to ATT. A company that doesn't give a crap about the people.
that alone makes me move away from AT&T, I'm half way there.
We're in the same situation about 9 miles from town. I had DSL service from a fiber fed DSLAM about a mile and a half from here. I had 7mb speed for years which I tolerated but I hated the fact that most outages would last over a week at a time. So I decided to get StarLInk and it's made all the difference. Our WiFi calling now is much improved and as you have stated there isn't much chance of getting a new cell tower put in. We've been on this 5 acres for 25 years and with one bar of cell service outside it just doesn't work. About 4 miles from here Spectrum has fibered up all of the rural homes in an area but I think it's wishful thinking on my part that they'll do our area any time soon.
So, will we ever get to the point where we don't need to have a service like AT&T as a backup for interference caused by weather?
Yes
Love your show. You’re a science and statistics guy similar to me. Enjoy all the facts and crazy science stuff going on.
The satellites are moving at 17,000 mph but I think they’re moving that fast in order to appear to be stationary for a person standing on Earth.
Hi from Northern New Zealand. Here’s today’s speed test- 136 down ; jitter on download 64ms. 24.9 up, jitter only 4ms. Mark 2 dishy.
PS: can’t wait for the Starlink DTC service to be provided by One NZ 😀
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Well said!!!!
Our Canadian version of AT&T is called Bell Canada
Their bell will be a dead ringer
I have Starlink because Centurylink is only offering 3 to 7 Mbps of DSL when I dumped DSL I was getting 17 Mbps.
Transitioned from AT&T to Project Fi (now Google Fi) and am relatively happy with coverage and support. That said, SpaceX Starlink has been a blessing as my ISP and I would be very much interested in having SpaceX Starlink as my cell provider as well. Living in an rural area, there are areas (when out walking/hiking for example) that cell coverage is non-existent.
Technology nowdays is looking like coming from scifi movie... damn good ...can't wait to test this
Thx for the eye opener. I have Starlink, Tesla EV and powerwall. I support Musk
I am in the same boat!! I’ve been waiting for over 20 years!!!🤬 Just got Starlink and was so excited to get rid of my u- verse!!
i think ur right other players wont be able to keep up but insted of space x making there own phone service they would be better off buying t moble and shereing the compeny 1 its already in the works of them the 2 working together and 2 team moble means stands for being moble and with star link moble is to the max . plus it would make them better being owned by them i think in my op .
I wish you would discuss how DTC dramatically improves emergency communications. And, how about discussing how much Starlink is saving government from funding fiber connections for remote rural areas? On the last two miles on my rural road, 10 of the last 12 homes have Starlink. Fiber ends two miles short of the road end. Centurytel foreman told me it would cost $250,000 to build out fiber to the end of the road. Now that's not necessary!!! Also, there is no cell coverage the last two miles, but Starlink allows me to have a microcell around my house.
Maybe the name will evolve to STC or S2C for Satellite to Cell ... or Direct Satellite to Mobile (DSM or DSTM) to avoid co-opting by the telcos.
VERY WELL SAID! The very same thing in my area which is very much rural. These smaller businesses that are getting all kinds of money from the feds thru state money are living high off the hog. Put a small new piece of internet up in rural in a small location and then pocket the rest. My answer is to hell with them all. GO ELON! Bring on that phone communication as well as faster internet. Let the rest of them struggle when asked what they did with there money.😅GO GO GO
I live in the sun Arctic and Starlink has changed our lives. Looking forward to being able to use my phone anywhere to communicate while out on the land.
I have T-Mobile right now and it does have the fastest internet speed hands down compared to Verizon and AT&t!!!!
It is area based.
Before Starlink my only option was Frontier and they do not invest anything into their infrastructure, they are just milking it dry. Star link is great, I also do voice over IP with Ooma through Star link.
Awesome. Does the VOIP allow for 911 calling?
As a result of past experience you can not pay me enough to use AT&T even if it was the only service available.
Do you have to have a Starlink satellite subscription to get the DTC? Can someone just order the cell service when available regardless of weather you own a Starlink router and dish or not? Is the DTC separate from an existing Starlink satellite subscription address location?
bro it's polot they are testing it if it would work but I belive elon team can do impossible
14:32 same. Its so frustrating I Live like 8 miles from my town where the cell towers are/ fiber
Dropped DSL as soon as Starlink was available. Just waiting for the day I can drop ATT for D2C. Also, looking forward to reading about who buys their corporate yacht's and jets! :)
I look so forward to DTC! I see it as a savior technology for disaster response and recovery. Here in the Pacific Northwest, we're vulnerable to a Cascadia Subduction Zone megaquake and tsunami that will eliminate cell service, cable Internet, power grid. We'll be left with Starlink Internet, DTC, and Ham Radio for the first several weeks.
If you are on the wrong side of the mountains a tsunami from a mega quake will knock out power for much longer than several weeks.
I love your channel.
Thank you for your support. It’s appreciated and why I continue making content even when RUclips randomly unsubscribes subscribers. 🤦🏻♂️
I live outside of Scottsdale in Maricopa county. No DSL, fiber, or cable. I have a private off air internet that is very good. Doubt that billions will make it thru the agencies to my street
What did the Tesla Pi phone do in their speed test???
Samsung phone (Android) 17Mbps
This WILL NOT be a direct competitor to terrestrial cell service as its 4G. It will be in partnership with the cell service providers to use in rural isolated areas where terrestrial cell service is not available. Also it uses 4G tech not 5G. 5G in some areas offers higher data speeds than starlink sat data service. Moreover it would take years for Starlink to deploy enough sats to even begin to compete with the capacity capabilities of terrestrial cellular and we are still talking about 4G here. Terrestrial networks are already moving to the next gen VRAN and ORAN technologies in the next 5 years.
The reason Musk downplays it, is Dish Network’s Boost Ultimate service already trying to stop the testing of it.
👍🏻
NZ here...soon as they have a mobile phone plan ill try it.
Likewise!! And I’ll try 3 phones also
I get it, I'm way out in the country. Fiber is just not a option out here. My T-Mobile phone right now displays 5GUC and 2of5 bars. If I turn on the WiFi, I can use the WiFi calling feature. But if I can walk outside and instantly have 5of5 bars with the WiFi off. That would be fantastic the other TelComs should be scared.
I think that reliance on satellites for all forms of communications services is an inevitable evolution for the planet - Today there is only one supplier. [grin] - Cheers!
Hey Ding Dong, the SpaceX incident you are discussing is called satellite communications. The world already has complete cellular coverage. In 2003, I received hundreds of mega of data at any given time or place in less than 5 seconds. 2007, I had a dash mounted CPU that displayed a full feature terrain map while providing navigation directions. Ya not that impressive, huh, it was also providing real time data on the location of 500,000 other transportation entities and sending my real time location out along with the data captured on $4 Million worth of various electronics, which was sent to a different entity on a different network. This was all happening while I was using a different layer of the network to communicate via chat with end to end encryption and the nearest "cell phone tower" to my location was IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY. I don't know the flipper chippers were, I would guess extremely low and faultless. I mean how hard could be to do all that? I'm sure there isn't that much network prioritization used to provide real time data of a squadron moving supersonic. SpaceX rebranding satellite communications that were obsolete 20 years ago is exactly the same thing as rebranding Bell Telephones voice recognition system of the 80's as A.I. today. I am sure you already know all that because it facts just like you present. The best fact you had is how jealous you are that AT&T has received government subsidiaries to provide a service unavailable to you during a 15 year period. I mean let's face it, any court of law can clearing see AT&T misappropriated those with that simple fact alone. I would like to ask a question, when you did your research and compiled your data to present the world the facts only, where exactly did AT&T spend the money they received from federal subsidation? Please feel free to make a video on that, I am not expecting to see that in the near future, it is going to be quite a lengthy video. Little suggestion, you probably shouldn't base it on the information obtained from a voice recognition computer program.
Hey dong. In the future consider addressing someone providing you free content with some respect. That said, AT&T falsified providing rural communities with fiber while instead doing so for trailer parks and other location with “greater pops” to inflate the numbers with bogus provisioning which never saw the light of day. True rural community saw none of it. (This is from inside network engineers and not my opinion) There were countless other means of taking subsidies from the government to provide a high speed broadband fiber to the underserved or the unserved which never happened.
Same here 16 years waiting. Fiber runs through my property but they won’t bring it to me
I live in one of the "richest" areas in my community and I've pretty much given up waiting for fiber... Granted we have DOCSIS 3.0 and I can get around 500mb down, but the upload speed is terrible @ ~20mb up. While the poor areas in my town have fiber that no one can afford that can achieve >1gb up and down... It's quite a conundrum.
It only works outdoors. It is debatable if it will work in a moving car. Oh boy I miss those external antenna connectors on the old flip phones you could connect to a rooftop mounted cellular antenna. That went out the window with the touch screen smartphone.
Yes!!
No reason why a signal booster won't help get indoor coverage
@@davidcopeland5517 a direct wired connection to the cellphone from an external Antenna that has inherent gain as compared to the internal antenna is the least expensive option aanf requires no additional power.
I'm wondering if Verizon will join in also. Where I live it's not bad but when I go to town there are some dead zones along the way. If you break down in one your screwed..... lol
Well at least this sounds like it may actually work out unlike self driving cars that are still not on the horizon.
ATT fiber has been about 5 blocks away from my area for about 12 years... lol. I gave up on it and now I have Starlink. TBH, I wouldn't switch now anyway. I had cable and dropped it for Starlink because I don't want these crappy ISPs to have any more of my money. It's going to SpaceX and the mission to Mars!
I wish I could click my fingers like that. I am waiting for the Tesla phone. So much better than the iPhone... You will have to spend some time out on that. AT&T are huge and i guess they lobby the politicians , i dont think Elon entertains that idea. LOL
Another enlightening video. From my knothole, it seems that T-Mobile was smart to be first to jump onboard with Starlink. What’s Verizon waiting for… Bezos?
😂 Bezos project will never see the light of day.
Same kind of a story in rural Canada. We're in NW Ontario near the Manitoba border in a tri-community of 8000 people and Bell, Rogers and Shaw offer next to nothing for $100 a month with real speeds of 10mB at best... mostly spinning circle on Netflix. We got on Starlink Better than Nothing Beta 12/22/2020 and will never go back. Lord only knows how much the Feds have paid the telcos to do something but nothing changes except that Starlink service just continues to improve.
I have the exact same problem, Im currently using Verizon 5g Home Wireless for my Internet, but its out of there approved service area and its very slow only 2 bars of service, but this is my only option. I live only 200 feet from a Main pipeline (if you will) of Cable , fiber and other internet connectivity products. Basically the main road is 200 feet away and they will not add service for me or 3 other families. Ive spoken to Comcast, Att, Century Link, Verizon and T-mobile and others. All have said No, but one day
When will Space X go public trading? I'm ready to mortgage the house!
Tesla Pi phone was coming out 10 years ago...still waiting.
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In Bedford,VA, my sister was told she would have fiber by the end of the year (2023). They came to one mile away and stopped. There was only three of four houses so it was not worthwhile to them. We’re there not paid by the government to go that last mile??!!! Where can the government be contacted to complain about this?
Btw, I get close to 20mbs upload with star link; I am fine with it.
Little, Siren Telephone Co, Siren WI provided superb fiber service to our remote lakeshore property and all of our neighbors long ago. the year before federal subsidies came out. TV, internet, and phone all fiber bundle less than poor city service.
Our Minneapolis Mn fully-out built suburb still doesn't have it just like you.
Some folks are good and some take the money and run.
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amazing stuff but how about the upload . 17 mbps is the download .
Let's Go Elon !! Im rural as well. No fiber, barely cell. I use Starlink and it is GREAT. Still have AT&T cell service with 5g. But spotty out in my neck of the woods 🤠🤘
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I have AT&T Cell service and DSL through a local phone company. They had to connect 2 of their copper lines to my home since I'm just barely at the end of the 5 mile mark. I get about 9.8 mb down and .8 mb up. We had to put in a 4G amplifier when AT&T quit supporting their DSL mini tower. I get 4 bars of 4G in one room and 1 bar in the rest of the house. BUT, I can occasionally get 1 bar of 5GE if I walk out the front door. Our solution has been to turn on WIFI Calling on all our phones and use Starlink to get much better calls within the Mesh router network.
Maybe you can explain to us how that works and how it's different than what Elon is doing.
I don't know how
Agreed
So, Starlink can connect directly to a Samsung phone. It that outdoors, with a clear view of the sky? What if I am indoors without an external antenna? No connection, would be my bet.
obviously modern cell phones require cell towers, so i guess when roaming they connect to satellite extended networks.
AT&T needs its one fibre network component or Satelite constellation in which they do but the majority of the money that comes out of federal government from infrastructure week goes back to the company that received it firstly, and whatever is left used to build the infrastructure that is needed and AT&’T needs rebranding and rebooting to factory reset and better management to improve rural area economy.
I have three brands of fiber passing 10 meters from my house. Apply for service and we are told they have no facilities.
Starlink rocks.
😂 I 110% believe you!!!!!!
We live behind a "fence" - development community. 160 homes - Fiber is coming!! and so is Christmas of 2030. Been in the works for 5+ years, pulled glass over a year ago, 30 meg speed, for $60...blah... ba ....blah ...ba....blah. We, and 50ish neighbors have SL (2 yrs for us) and are pretty happy with it. I told the wife that by the time fiber gets here, fiber who? Up the road a 1/2 mile everyting is fiber 200+ speeds and $40 -45. Phone contract is up soon also ~3 months..... Hmmm.... T-mobile in out future? soon.
I would love to see my phone make and receive calls through my Starlink network just like it was connected to the cell tower when I am in my house. Then, when I am outside connect through the Starlink satellite network.
Follow the money and the kickbacks..
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how many additional households did AT&T reach for $3 billion? And then do a rough costing per household
celltowers are on the loose, since upgrading to 5G they dropping the well-working 3G network so that the range droped a lot. since a year i dont get any usable data connection anymore into my house, signal is to weak so i keep need to switch to my own wifi when coming home. They should have kept the 3G bands, better a slow data than out of signal
Imagine an Earth 🌍 cell phone connecting to another on Mars. It's what Elon is up to using SpaceX and Starlink.
It won't work, the distance is to great. You speak and then wait a very long time for a response. No way you can converse. You will be able to text and send data and then wait a long time for a response.
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That's exactly what I meant. I didn't say converse. As you know the cell is multi capable.
My home I internet is 133 ping 57.8 jitter down 13.5 and up 3.2 about $180 a month 😂 in Dillingham Alaska
You guys are lucky relative to Canada. Bells monopoly is so bad. Right where I live in rural Ontario Bell has told me for years we will get fiber. Now we can have the fiber to copper connection. What a joke at 6mbs max on a good day. There is no other service. I cut Bell and bit the bullet, bought the Starlink kit March 31 2022 antenna $931.12 and the ethernet adapter $50.85. The monthly charge is $158.20. It's expensive but better than the big guys monopoly. I also can't get good cell service, the towers are to far away. I do have cell over WIFI through Starlink of course. This is a good average of the speed I get now; DOWNLOAD Mbps
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UPLOAD Mbps
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Ping ms 46 47 46
There is only one problem with satellite to phone service. It will not reliably work amongst trees, in large cities or indoors. It is great however for people on cruises at the top of the ship, beople sailing boats far from shore or anybody in an opening outside. Don't get me wrong, I think it is great and incredible, but not going to put anybody out of business. People doing these other activities will certainly change to a provider who has this option, but most will not.
In 2025... FCC will still be complaining about Starlink.
RIP satellite phones. Time to start selling Iridium stock.
Yes.
Verizon , after a huge push by the neighbors, finally layed 9 miles of fiber to a box I can see from my driveway. From there they split out DSL over the existing old copper lines and gave us 2 mbps. They claimed that there is no way to increase that speed. That lasted 5 years until Starlink became available and we are not looking back.
Holy shit. Sounds like my story with AT&T. All are EVIL.
Give that mobile phones have a limited power. How does the mobile phone manage to get the signal back to the satellite?
Ham radio operators have been talking to the space station for years with under 1/4 watt and it talks back the same way so it shouldn't be a problem.
@@michaelcummings7246 in the GHz bands? I don't think so. Although I'm more than happy to be proved wrong. I've owned/used one way (Telsat via Hotbird) and two-way (Optus via I think Optus B1 or D1) satellite internet connections in the past and they both worked in the GHz bands to get the necessary bandwidth for a reasonable internet connection. The latency on the Telsat connection was pretty tragic. Somewhere around 200ms. No good for gaming but the bandwidth was pretty good. Around 20Mbps (in 1999-2000). Getting Newsgroups via UDP was fine once the packets started coming though with no ACK packets required.
The major issue here, is not receiving the ”radio” waves from the satellite as it can transmit at a high power to reach the ground based mobiles, it's those mobiles being able to transmit back to the satellite at a high enough power that the satellite can separate it from all the others doing the same. That's going to be some pretty high end sensitivity required there. Hence the current satellite dishes like Starlink still being a reasonable size and power requirements. Would you want to put a microwave up to your head? And no I'm not being a 5G conspiracy theorist.
I prefer Elin focus on faster download and upload Starlink dish speeds then branching out into more various IT services that distracts from improved focus on Starlink service - albeit a selfish point of view.
Or our government could have done what it said and flesh out fiber throughout the country. My neighborhood recently got last mile connected to fiber. But I use T-Mobile home cell network. It works for everyday stuff and streaming movies. I get 50Mbps up to the net. I am supposed to get 300Mbps down. I get 250. That's over cell towers with only 4 bars people! I have OK signal db/noise from the tower but it could be better. I get 46 ms ping. Casual single player gaming is fine but not so goot for first person shooters. Thanks to buffering I can stream two movies at so called HD which has been redefined as 720P which is bullshit.
Remember, Starlink like SpaceX is a private company. Musk will be the first trillionaire.
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Those Telcos and ISPs with a history of poor customer support will have an Exodus greater than Moses when the first glimmers of better service are provided. Hughesnet, is of course, such a company. "Cheaper-is-better" will always come back to haunt a company.
I’ll sit back with popcorn and short the hell out of them. 😉
AT&T is not holding up to there end of the bargain and we can't wait for SpaceX to knocks the Telcos out of the picture. Go Elon.
1000000% agree.
Go, Elon
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스마트폰 위성 인터넷을 한사람들 10달러, 가입자가 1억명이 된다면, 한달마다 1조 매출, 1년 12조 매출. 지금 스타링크에다가 스마트폰만쓸수있게 하는거라 거의 순수익 아니야?
anyone but AT&T
I live in the country and have fiber running in front of my house yet I can not get fiber I have to have DSL. I live about 3/4 of a mile from the hub so that limits me
to 50gbs which I normally get a little over 30gps. I have called and written Windstream. I was told that I would never get fiber to my house....I'm in the process
of clearing some trees which will allow me to finally get Starlink......Bring it on Elon
I had the same situation with Windstream and was able to switch to Starlink about a year ago. I get 10 times the speed and less downtime than with Windstream. I think I only had one brief outage of Starlink vs almost monthly outages that could last over a day in some cases with Windstream.
Sooner or later they will pay for their corruptness.
Well, not the same thing. Those subsidy programs were always about fiber, not satellite service. Former FCC chairman Ajit Pai incorrectly issued a subsidy to Musk. He did follow FCC procedures and granted nearly a billion dollars to Musk, when all legislation of several agency programs, never included satellite. You might compare what Viasat and Hughesnet got, because they didn't get anything for a program that the law said was strictly about high sped fiber networks. Chairman Ajit Pai clearly overstepped his authority, but he was working for Trump, so he got away with it.
Bottom line is that Starlink was not going to match fiber performance and it certainly was not going to hit the affordability clause. As I pointed out, no other satellite providers got to play nor did wireless providers, more than a few who mach or exceed Starlink performance for half the price.. You can be in denial about this, but those ae the facts. We can debate about how Musk got his special sweetheart deal that the other satellite providers were not offered. Kinda weird if you think about it because the other guys were actually already doing it when Musk got his special personal subsidy. We could debate about how good those services were, but they could hit speeds and affordability to the same level as Starlink ,but cheaper. Of course none of the three comparable to fiber, which is what it was all about in the first place.
Musk can be mad about it, but nobody really knows how he got the grant, because they didn't follow the rules to give it to him! We don't know Ajit Pai's motivation and most have concluded it isn't worth damaging the FCC at this point to find out exactly what occurred. For all we know, Trump may have ordered him to do it.
As for ATT, I think they are pretty terrible these days so I'm not going to defend them. And I have heard the promises for 15 years too, but the fiber is going in the ground now! Overall, there has been a lot run and some areas have benefited. But ultimately the Telco network guys are going to decide where it goes in. I'm sure it is still a market based decision. There's a lot of areas that would be eligible for the subsidy, but they are still going to look at total cost to install and how many customers they will get out of it. Even with win-win deals, you still end up with some who don't win. I do know that some communities have figured out some incentives they can offer to get the stuff in their areas. Things like waving property taxes or having county crews clear and prep the installation areas. These things will play into that total cost number and he ultimate decisions as to where it goes. Nothing new here, just local politics at its finest!
As for the direct to cell. maybe Musk is being a bit more honest about it now talking about it being used in areas without cellular infrastructure. It won't be a backup for low signals in areas with a lot of service. It is not going to work in areas that have cells because they will interfere with services using the same frequencies This is what the FCC and some of us pointed out when this was first talked about this. Cellular networks use small cells so as to get more bandwidth use across small areas. Neighboring cells use different frequencies in the band. once cells get far enough apart, they can reuse the frequencies in the band without interfering. There's nearly half a million cells in the US. But a beam from a satellite will spread out too much and cover way too many cells causing interference. The only way this works is with different frequencies, meaning special phones with those frequencies.
They may get this to work in very remote areas but not overlapping existing cell networks using the same frequency band. I'd like to know where they conducted these tests. It had to be somewhere remote.