Measure once and write it down. Make the second measurement and write it down. Continue until you get all the way around the room. Now, go to your saws and cut everything all at once. Make sure you back-cut every cut so the points are tight together. Your issue is insecurity.
Parallax is something I learned in electrical engineering reading a meter at an angle can make significant difference in the result. I think about the parallax in almost everything I work on.
It carries over to the kitchen when measuring your ingredients, and it can make the difference between “delicious” and “umm … that’s not the same as before” 😂
A very long time ago, I had a Simpson model 269 multimeter. The pointer was a knife edge and about an 1/8th inch high. The meter scale had a mirror, the entire radius of the scales. When reading it one used the mirror to ensure that your eye was centered over the mirror to get rid of parallax and get higher accuracy. My first Fluke 8000 digital multimeter killed it.
I didn’t learn of the word until I started getting into shooting at the range and looking into different sights lol, but I have been a residential remodeler for over 10 years and never heard it used in the trades until RUclips.
@@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry I know some use affiliate links in videos descriptions. Highlighting the tools used would be a great addition to your videos. I am already checking out the marking knife you mentioned.
Good eyes steady, hands and experience.. lots of it and even then you think you know it you’ll still learn some more cheers from one carpenter to another
Been using a knife to mark my cuts since 2012 when my trim carpenter taught me to do so. The thickness of the blade is so much more accurate than a pencil mark could ever be unless it’s of the utmost fine point which doesn’t really leave a very good mark and breaks easily so knife all the way.
I sometimes use my .3 lead in the pencil that gets you very close. The knife mark is more finite, but if that’s the case then might there be a method that requires less of a pain point. Stain grade is the only time that level of accuracy is desired and I typically sneak up on a line with successive cuts as opposed to a single marking on a knife’s edge. Whatever works for you that’s all that counts. Suffice to say I’m not looking to have accuracy in the thousands of a inch if it’s for someone else
@@mitchellkasdin1899 There is a grey area between trim finishing and custom millwork and that is where most of the work I do resides. Paint grade baseboard doest get the same treatment as something like this fireplace did. I am just sharing a trick that helps with finding accuracy with a track saw which I find particularly hard to achieve good results by simply measuring, marking and cutting. When you are faced with doing more precise work it's nice to have another trick up your sleeve.
@@svalesphoto mdf core shouldn’t have any movement under normal circumstances. MDO which is exterior wood product has its own issues. Generally speaking mdf is very stable and flat and takes a good lamination. Medex is a similar product and is waterproof as wood goes.
That is the finest finish carpentry I’ve ever seen, and I’m a builder and have seen a lot of great carpenters. Where are you located? By the way, you must cost a fortune!
@@Soulwars7 Thanks, Vancouver BC. Cost is relative to the level of work I do. My clients can afford to build a custom home in this city, my wage is the last thing on their mind.
I’m curious to see your on site setup. I’ve been building a mobile shop concept for almost a decade. It’s always changing. I can get most of it in my van in one trip and all I need is a single 20 amp receptacle. That also runs my dust extraction. Occasionally I’ll bring the shaper but usually do that work at the shop. Love on site mill work and cabinets!! Love the comradely of the guys and typically have ocean views. What’s better than that??
@@jeffstandish5226 I keep things pretty simple. My needs change a lot depending on the project. Generally start with a fresh top to my portable Bech with each job using whatever sheet goods they have. DeWalt stands and saw horses. I feel like we get to enjoy the views more than the owners and we get to change them up how much more can you ask for I guess to get paid while we do it.
@@timtaylor3006 When this saw is set up it works great. I am sure if you spend some time with it you can bring it back on spec. I work with a guy who has an old Cordes Makita and. new Festool and he says they do the same job but the Festool is a little nicer to use.
The biggest threat to a finish carpenter is surmounting bills , a low pay , long commute and every other item on the array of problems at home and having to spend money on his tools , consumables, and transportation to make the boss rich.
@@dialup5583 did you forget about the greedy company owner that is taking 10 or so vacays a year while not even giving you one week all while you have to pay for and, maintain or replace warn out tools because the company owner is too cheap to buy tools for his company.... ya i think you left that out
@@dialup5583thats dumb. Ok everyone dont work for anyone or work together on anything ever. We all should be the boss of our own one man company. SPACE X you better stop uniting engineers to work under one company.
With wood, i usually cut proud, dry fit, nibble away. That doesn’t fly with tile. And marking knives don’t work on tile either. I do have a nice diamond grinder that solves a lot of fit issues, and then there’s grout.
The true greatest threat is the framing and drywall. Doesn't matter if you can do things perfectly if you're building ontop of things with issues already you end up being the one having to deal with it.
Well there's different approaches, you can try from the beginning to perfectly accurately make every single cut and measurement of your design and plans. This is absurdly difficult because reality is not plum or square. The other approach is to just get close and make it look tidy on the last 5% to cover up the inaccuracies. The second approach is a lot easier, quicker and cheaper and unless you are a carpenter, you can't really tell the difference. 😅
I did this recently when I lost my pencil for the for the thousandth time that day 😂 so I grabbed the knife laying by the saw. I’m using a knife for precision cuts from now on 👍
"Measuring" is both marking and cutting. Measuring is a commonly misused term. The basic meaning is to determine the size of something which includes marking the size and cutting on the mark that was made.
Oxford English Dictionary " ascertain the size, amount, or degree of (something) by using an instrument or device marked in standard units or by comparing it with an object of known size."
@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry Oxford dictionary: Ascertain: find (something) out for certain; make sure of. To cut on a mark is to "make sure of" the size. The act of cutting is the final step to ascertain the correct size.
a buddy of mine does hobby furniture making(very well I might add), he warned me of the error of compound markings.... I still suck, but at least know some of the reason
I'm surprised how frequently i see people compounding error and don't see the super easy fix to take it out of a loop. Not a big marking knife guy, I prefer remembering where the actual line is inside of my pencil line "ok remove most of the line from the right but leave just a sliver" lol
Learning to borrow your tolerances from gloopy mediums is a carpenters mind in my eyes, relying solely on joinery and technique can get you a long ways but eventually spray foam, paint, caulk, bondo, filler, shit even sawdust is going to make or break you
I’ve tried to tell my boss that it’s not that much harder to be accurate and make it work in the first place but he didn’t wanna listen, and that’s cost us money
It took me like “take a blade.” “Wayyy too short jr!” Fifteen million times before I said fuckit and started marking his crows feet out with a square and knife, saved me at least a dozen trips to the saw a day working with my dad.
@@robbyb6380 An artist or musician get paid even less on average. Just be glad you chose a job someplace in between that pays a decent wage and is somewhat satisfying. Every man on my dad's side is an electrician and I could have easily gone that way. I didn't really choose to be a carpenter. I travelled the continent as a musician and financed it by doing carpentry. Now that I am able to work at a higher level, charge more and be happy with my work I couldn't imagine being an electrician at any rate.
Not often do you hear correct advice on RUclips/Instagram. It makes a huge difference when you shot to hit a line 1/8" wide , then when you have to hit a line the thinkness of a human hair.
A quart inch pen cannot make a thirty second measurement. I had a pipe fitter buddy have the apprentice pass out the dull sharpies to the plumbers, "they don't measure with a tap"
The greatest threat is not communicating to your customer, the value that you bring to the table. You could build a piano, know where all the flaws are, and still under charge. The customer loves the outcome, you lay in bed and think what you could have done better (that’s good) but still didn’t get compensated like you should for your skill set. Bring on the rebuke! 🤣
I measure six times and cut 13. I was not made for carpentry… your work is amazing!!!! Keep up the good work!!
Measure once and write it down. Make the second measurement and write it down. Continue until you get all the way around the room. Now, go to your saws and cut everything all at once. Make sure you back-cut every cut so the points are tight together. Your issue is insecurity.
😂
Parallax is something I learned in electrical engineering reading a meter at an angle can make significant difference in the result. I think about the parallax in almost everything I work on.
It carries over to the kitchen when measuring your ingredients, and it can make the difference between “delicious” and “umm … that’s not the same as before” 😂
I eyeball way too much when I'm doing carpentry... and it shows.
A very long time ago, I had a Simpson model 269 multimeter. The pointer was a knife edge and about an 1/8th inch high. The meter scale had a mirror, the entire radius of the scales. When reading it one used the mirror to ensure that your eye was centered over the mirror to get rid of parallax and get higher accuracy. My first Fluke 8000 digital multimeter killed it.
I didn’t learn of the word until I started getting into shooting at the range and looking into different sights lol, but I have been a residential remodeler for over 10 years and never heard it used in the trades until RUclips.
Paralax is the first thing i teach new aprentices. Im a carpenter and the margin for error caused by paralax is huge!
Appreciate you sharing the details of your craft. You are a master.
I really appreciate the work you do. Secretly finish carpentry or wood work installation is my love
You should start a store like other content creators listing all the useful tools that you use to accomplish your great work!
Working on it!
@@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry I know some use affiliate links in videos descriptions. Highlighting the tools used would be a great addition to your videos. I am already checking out the marking knife you mentioned.
I like that finished product. Cool!!😊
Very next level. Sweet work
Good eyes steady, hands and experience.. lots of it and even then you think you know it you’ll still learn some more cheers from one carpenter to another
Beautiful work man. I could learn a lot from you.
Keep the videos coming!
Thank you
Looks super clean 👌👌
Very clean work
It’s breathtakingly beautiful
And it shows. Nice work!
That miter was gorgeous!
Dude that fireplace is dope! 😎
Been using a knife to mark my cuts since 2012 when my trim carpenter taught me to do so. The thickness of the blade is so much more accurate than a pencil mark could ever be unless it’s of the utmost fine point which doesn’t really leave a very good mark and breaks easily so knife all the way.
Nice work dude. Beautiful.
Amazing! How does one find a detailed oriented carpenter?
Preach, I need a course on this one
Very inspiring
You really should make a guide, this is my biggest weakness.
Clean clean work ! Very nice
I sometimes use my .3 lead in the pencil that gets you very close. The knife mark is more finite, but if that’s the case then might there be a method that requires less of a pain point. Stain grade is the only time that level of accuracy is desired and I typically sneak up on a line with successive cuts as opposed to a single marking on a knife’s edge.
Whatever works for you that’s all that counts. Suffice to say I’m not looking to have accuracy in the thousands of a inch if it’s for someone else
@@mitchellkasdin1899 There is a grey area between trim finishing and custom millwork and that is where most of the work I do resides. Paint grade baseboard doest get the same treatment as something like this fireplace did. I am just sharing a trick that helps with finding accuracy with a track saw which I find particularly hard to achieve good results by simply measuring, marking and cutting. When you are faced with doing more precise work it's nice to have another trick up your sleeve.
What is the type of material you are installing? How are you compensating for material movement over time?
@svalesphoto VG Hemlock w/ MDF core make it crisp and tight. If acclimated it should not move unless the home owner mismanages the interior climate.
@@svalesphoto mdf core shouldn’t have any movement under normal circumstances. MDO which is exterior wood product has its own issues. Generally speaking mdf is very stable and flat and takes a good lamination. Medex is a similar product and is waterproof as wood goes.
Beautiful brother ❤❤❤!!!.sincerely yours Bear ❤❤❤!!!.
Dude, that is a skill I wish this brain had! Sick man 🤘🏼
That is the finest finish carpentry I’ve ever seen, and I’m a builder and have seen a lot of great carpenters. Where are you located? By the way, you must cost a fortune!
@@Soulwars7 Thanks, Vancouver BC. Cost is relative to the level of work I do. My clients can afford to build a custom home in this city, my wage is the last thing on their mind.
I want to learn how to do accurate cuts like these
I’m curious to see your on site setup. I’ve been building a mobile shop concept for almost a decade. It’s always changing. I can get most of it in my van in one trip and all I need is a single 20 amp receptacle. That also runs my dust extraction. Occasionally I’ll bring the shaper but usually do that work at the shop. Love on site mill work and cabinets!! Love the comradely of the guys and typically have ocean views. What’s better than that??
@@jeffstandish5226 I keep things pretty simple. My needs change a lot depending on the project. Generally start with a fresh top to my portable Bech with each job using whatever sheet goods they have. DeWalt stands and saw horses. I feel like we get to enjoy the views more than the owners and we get to change them up how much more can you ask for I guess to get paid while we do it.
Moving from a pen /pencil to a knife was a big improvement to my accuracy ❤
I agree. I have a Makita track saw also but it always cuts around 1.5mm off the mark at the end of the 1400mm track. I’m fed up with Makita!!!
@@timtaylor3006 When this saw is set up it works great. I am sure if you spend some time with it you can bring it back on spec. I work with a guy who has an old Cordes Makita and. new Festool and he says they do the same job but the Festool is a little nicer to use.
The biggest threat to a finish carpenter is surmounting bills , a low pay , long commute and every other item on the array of problems at home and having to spend money on his tools , consumables, and transportation to make the boss rich.
Chippies in the UK seem to be doing alright for themselves.
Absolutely. I build fences and it seems that I’m constantly having to buy new tools for a seemingly simple process.
If you're that competent then start your own business or quit crying. I swear greedy goblin expect the world but won't put it in order
@@dialup5583 did you forget about the greedy company owner that is taking 10 or so vacays a year while not even giving you one week all while you have to pay for and, maintain or replace warn out tools because the company owner is too cheap to buy tools for his company.... ya i think you left that out
@@dialup5583thats dumb. Ok everyone dont work for anyone or work together on anything ever. We all should be the boss of our own one man company. SPACE X you better stop uniting engineers to work under one company.
That’s an interesting take, thanks for video and nice work!
You can use a thick black marker. Thickness doesn't really matter. What you do is use the edge of the black line which will be millimetre perfect.
@@staysharp1980 How much do you account for bleed? "Millimeter perfect'" is a loose tolerance for some tasks.
@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry millimetre perfect means exactly. It doesn't mean one millimetre either side of the line.
Dammmmmmn, watching you "click" that scribe into the track. Chefs kiss
Wow that’s nice ❤
jesus dude, leave some for the rest of us! killing it.
With wood, i usually cut proud, dry fit, nibble away. That doesn’t fly with tile. And marking knives don’t work on tile either. I do have a nice diamond grinder that solves a lot of fit issues, and then there’s grout.
Ever try a pica ink pen on tile? (real question - not just a suggestion.)
Killin it. That mantle was wild.
The true greatest threat is the framing and drywall. Doesn't matter if you can do things perfectly if you're building ontop of things with issues already you end up being the one having to deal with it.
Oooooo. That is clean!
Well there's different approaches, you can try from the beginning to perfectly accurately make every single cut and measurement of your design and plans. This is absurdly difficult because reality is not plum or square. The other approach is to just get close and make it look tidy on the last 5% to cover up the inaccuracies. The second approach is a lot easier, quicker and cheaper and unless you are a carpenter, you can't really tell the difference. 😅
I did this recently when I lost my pencil for the for the thousandth time that day 😂 so I grabbed the knife laying by the saw. I’m using a knife for precision cuts from now on 👍
This is how I feel about by scribe on my combo square. Millwright.
I was served your coffered ceiling video the other day and forgot to subscribe
Just hit the button when I saw that miter join up😂 what a bangin trick!
@@ProcrastinationDaily Thanks, glad you enjoy the content. I am trying to put some long format stuff together for the new year.
@@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry It WILL SUCCEED
YES!
Use a knife, then split the cut line.
Now THAT, is accuracy!
"honey, let's make our fireplace look like the front reception of every dentist office"
"Measuring" is both marking and cutting.
Measuring is a commonly misused term. The basic meaning is to determine the size of something which includes marking the size and cutting on the mark that was made.
Oxford English Dictionary
" ascertain the size, amount, or degree of (something) by using an instrument or device marked in standard units or by comparing it with an object of known size."
@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry Oxford dictionary:
Ascertain: find (something) out for certain; make sure of.
To cut on a mark is to "make sure of" the size. The act of cutting is the final step to ascertain the correct size.
a buddy of mine does hobby furniture making(very well I might add), he warned me of the error of compound markings.... I still suck, but at least know some of the reason
I'm surprised how frequently i see people compounding error and don't see the super easy fix to take it out of a loop.
Not a big marking knife guy, I prefer remembering where the actual line is inside of my pencil line "ok remove most of the line from the right but leave just a sliver" lol
Yes i agree 1000%!!!
Love this. How do I hire you? Great work.
@@SEEtheREPLAY Thanks. Own a house in Vancouver BC. If you can afford the house, you can afford me.
I been using a box cutter blade since 1982 😂. Nothing new here!
I just sharpen my pencil to a fine point its worked for me and thousands of other men for a very long time
Caulking is my most valuable tool
@@jknocalYou can't caulk an outside corner of at least you shouldn't especially not with stain grade material.
@@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry caulking ... bondo ... wood filler ... I have a list of items that make up for my lack of patience and precision .. lol
Learning to borrow your tolerances from gloopy mediums is a carpenters mind in my eyes, relying solely on joinery and technique can get you a long ways but eventually spray foam, paint, caulk, bondo, filler, shit even sawdust is going to make or break you
@StihlRunnin amen brother
@StihlRunnin amen brother
Damn dude. Right on
i got a making knife a couple years ago. It’s a so much easier to be that little bit more accurate.
Correct, it's about measuring and marking Correctly
I never knew I was a finishing carpenter. I call myself a chippy.
That looks outrageous sir. But the greatest threat to a finish Carpenter is very much don't smoke weed before you start the job!
measure once cut thrice :)
Only professionals measure everything with measuring tape and it's perfect.
I’ve tried to tell my boss that it’s not that much harder to be accurate and make it work in the first place but he didn’t wanna listen, and that’s cost us money
Accuracy comes from knowing what your tools do.
Not compounded errors in the human.
Comes from repetition.
Compounding air?
As a carpenter for 50 years. I rarely use a pencil..
Instant follow
What marking knife do you use?
@@Lilchino707 Narex no handle dual bevel
I'm a pretty good general Carpenter but I feel very unskilled when I see a good finish Carpenter.
what knife is that?
@@Myrmidon717 Narex double bevel no handle.
Preach!
Mastick will he fantastick
You just might be be the smartest carpenter I’ve ever heard speak.
And that’s why you want a custom damasteel marking knife….
Im a machinist. I work with acceptable errors down to ~.00005 and i couldn't build a decent 11 step stringer. It really made me hate myself.
@@fightfanian Stringers are hard until you get the hang of the math and using the saws.
"Measuring is the enemy of precision"
To be accurate, one must be precise. You can be precise and inaccurate, there is virtually no way to be accurate without being precise.
What saw is that?
@@arberp Makita 36v t
It took me like “take a blade.”
“Wayyy too short jr!”
Fifteen million times before I said fuckit and started marking his crows feet out with a square and knife, saved me at least a dozen trips to the saw a day working with my dad.
I cut it twice, and it's still too short.
I better get one of these knives
Mark once, you are a craftsman…
Mark twice, you are a jackleg…
Mark three times, might as well just keep on marking…..
Greatest threat to a carpenter is always being underpaid compared to a plumber or electrician.
@@robbyb6380 An artist or musician get paid even less on average. Just be glad you chose a job someplace in between that pays a decent wage and is somewhat satisfying. Every man on my dad's side is an electrician and I could have easily gone that way. I didn't really choose to be a carpenter. I travelled the continent as a musician and financed it by doing carpentry. Now that I am able to work at a higher level, charge more and be happy with my work I couldn't imagine being an electrician at any rate.
When I sold lasers for capital projects I would ask, "how far out of plumb will it be 300' up if it's off 1/8" down here?"
Most people don't understand compounding error...
Never use a pencil… use my knife. And you are not the only Finnish carpenter on this planet!
…mmm🤔… perhaps you should buy a quality made saw blade for trim work… the miter cut looked torn up
The key to this is to fire the boss. That's the difference between $30 per hour and $60 per hour. Work strictly for yourself, no one else.
Not often do you hear correct advice on RUclips/Instagram.
It makes a huge difference when you shot to hit a line 1/8" wide , then when you have to hit a line the thinkness of a human hair.
No wonder I’m always off by 3”
I think I found my home
A quart inch pen cannot make a thirty second measurement.
I had a pipe fitter buddy have the apprentice pass out the dull sharpies to the plumbers, "they don't measure with a tap"
I started using my knife through necessity.
The greatest threat is not communicating to your customer, the value that you bring to the table. You could build a piano, know where all the flaws are, and still under charge. The customer loves the outcome, you lay in bed and think what you could have done better (that’s good) but still didn’t get compensated like you should for your skill set.
Bring on the rebuke! 🤣
Experience.
Marking knives are a very underutilized piece of gear
😂 Totally disagree ❤😅 the best carpenter is the one that can hide is mistakes the 👌 best
@@airlife2u a little smoke and mirrors go a long way in this business.
actually its patience. You can have pin point accuracy but haste will be your downfall.
Wow a 45
I think its off by a 1/16 💀😱
Stonemason hold my beer
Best knife is putty knife in my toolbox; it will hide mine and your mistakes 😂
And cosine error