I think if I were you and I was asked "what is the yellow rail for?" in person on board the ship, I would look at it in surprise and say, "I've honestly never seen that before".
Reminds of an anecdote I heard about a tourist asking a national park ranger “How many years for a deer to turn into a moose?” Answer: “About 7 years.”
That solution of having a section of rail that goes through the door, just sitting on the other sections by gravity, is so incredibly ingenious yet simple! It's truly humbling!
Came for the interesting rail down Broadway, stayed for the movie rant. For real though, never thought about this rail concept. Super cool. Thanks for the vid!
RE: filming on Missouri instead of NJ, it was a happy coincidence that they were able to film at the same time that Missouri came out of drydock so they could easily tow her out to sea to get real shots of her "under way" instead of relying entirely on CGI or vintage footage. How much would it cost to tow NJ out to sea for a day or two of filming? Millions I'm guessing. Though if you found any film productions to take you up on the offer, that'd go a long way toward funding your planned drydock maintenance!
When it comes to museum ships, inwould say its prohibitively expensive. Its like asking "how expensive would it be for a tow truck to load up my broken vehical so i can "use it" to go bar hopping." USS The Sullivans is in my home town, I have toured that ship and i love it, and i will be volunteering on the civilian clean up it needs, but the reason it was still salvageable is because it was in shallow water. Towing an old ship out to deep water is both a massive waste of already limited museum funds, and a full on tempting disaster, for the sake of jcpenny glamour shots. No. Deff no. Frack no.
@@nicholastrawinski He pretty clearly indicated that it would be hypothetically done for filming, IE a movie, and it wouldn’t dip into museum funds. I’d bet $10 that if the museum was approached with the offer to tug NJ out to Delaware bay for a few hours of filming in exchange for covering drydock expenses, they would do it. Ryan has already said it will cost $20m to dry dock New Jersey, which isn’t an outlandish number in the number when you consider box office budgets routinely hit the $250m+ mark.
@@baker5035 ah yes, now that you said that i went back and reread the original post and see it different now. Yea, if someone wants to pay for repairs AND THEN tow it out to deep water for a movie, by all means hell yes. Thats free money at that point. Lets go!
@@nicholastrawinski It is also a necessity for routine maintenance of the ship so it doesn't lose its watertight hull. Your comment gives the impression you think drydocking is an optional luxury and not a maintenance requirement every few dozen years.
Ryan, you should do a fundraiser where once the goal (25k ?) is reached you have to watch Battleship and live stream your commentary on it (not showing the movie for copyright reasons of course).
Regarding filming in Hawaii, it comes down to filming days per year. 365 is a hard number to beat. Also, the large number of people willing to be extras who have a military or LE background. Lastly, for tax purposes, the studios are largely exempt from paying taxes or have large incentive tax breaks to film in Hawaii. As for Battleship (the movie) there's ads and even a few scenes of sailors manning the rails in their whites as the Burkes are supposedly passing the Arizona Memorial. If you look closely, there's a decent number of seabee rating insignias on the whites of a lot of the sailors there because we were the only ones available to stand in as extras for the shots.
My first engineering assignment at Boeing involved the I-Beam trolleys at MX missile silos. We drop a part the size and weight of an 8 cylinder automobile engine down the personnel hatch to the little tunnel that runs into the launcher equipment room that surrounds the upper part of the silo. We hang it from a trolley on the I-beam installed in the tunnel and roll it to the main room. Then transfer the part to the trolley hanging from the I-beam in the equipment room that runs around the silo where we can roll it to where we can install it into the missile. The transfer was the tricky part. It involved side loading the trolley on the I-beam. Factory safety regulations at the time, and presumably on these Iowa class battleships, is to not do that. The trolley would slip off the I-beam and the load would smash your legs and feet. So I got on the phone to Beebe and sweet talked them into supplying us with trolleys that can be safely side loaded without slipping off the I-beams. So thanks to little ol' me, and to some engineers at Beebe, we were able to maintain the MX missiles in their silos until Reagan and Gorbachev started negotiating a reduction in the nuclear arms race.
I love hearing about things like the issue on Houston and Scharnhorst mentioned here and how the problem was overcome or fixed on the more modern vessel.
Those engineering access hatches and beam supports are rich! Wish we would have had them on my ships. We had to manhandle stuff out of hatches and escape trunks with chainfalls and come-alongs. In drydock, we would have hull cut access.
@@hilltop4847 Roger that, Groomer. I am so lucky to be a Boomer! Wild times, great times! We thought we had a future and lived that way.Figure that I have 15-20 years left, I am in perfect health. No pills at all. Retired. Enjoying life to the fullest. Unlike the newer generations. They have no real "present". And definitely no future to look forward to. I'll be dead and gone when the sheet hits the fan and it collapses. You won't.
Loved Under Seige. It was a Steven Seagal is Mary Sue movie, but I always thought everything around him looked like it was something that might happen. Thanks for validating!
I used the rail many times as part of the rigging team. Used it to move many different motors up to the re wind shop and to move pumps and valves to the machine shop.
Not strictly a battleship in the modern sense but my favorite film involving capital ships is Master and Commander with Russel Crowe; I guess in a way the old ships of the line were the battleships of their time so it fits.
The HMS Surprise is a Frigate as is the Acheron, neither of them are rated and are then not "Line of Battle Ships" and not the shorter Battleship. They aren't capital ships. As much as I love the movie, especially the interpersonal communication of Aubrey and Maturin, I have to say wrong for the right reasons. ;)
@@darylmorning I noticed they reused the same ship for both and shot so many scenes of the sailing ship under power. The prop wash could have been taken out with special effects but wasn't. Does not take away from it being a good movie capturing the flavor of the era. Most watching the movie would not notice either of these items.
@@darylmorning Just to add a little more detail: Some smaller ships, small relative to the line ships at least (which really are damned big), would be directly involved with the line as things like signaling ships. But even then, nobody would consider them as line of battle ships. edit: Also to note is that the lineage with frigates like Surprise in the movie, goes on to evolve into modern cruisers. The concept used that is. Powerful surface combatants with long legs, but not anywhere near as powerful as the true big boys.
I have only ever been to the Alabama, and was typing up the comment "I don't remember seeing this on BB-60" when you noted the SD class didn't have this (and why). You think of everything!!! Great video, very interesting.
I remember the rails and access hatches aboard Alabama. Coincidentally, the sub was actually the USS Drum. Alabama towed her out into the Gulf for filming...
When you consider all of the requirements you suspend disbelief in order to accept The Missouri’s role in the movie battleship, hauling the shell is the least among them. All that requires is to come up with the excuse that either current damage or the process of turning it into a museum ship means that the rail down Broadway is not fully accessible anymore and that the shell was being hauled by multiple teams with each team surging to carry the shell a short distance , after all , at this point we have already accepted that the boilers could be lit so fast, and a museum ship still had live ammunition and powder onboard
I honestly thought I would hate Battleship, but I really loved it...you definitely have to suspend your imagination. That movie is one of the reasons I live this channel. The movie captured how tough a battleship really is.
Potential suggestion for the museum: I strongly agree with minimising the signage on the ship, however, either before visitors board the ship or as part of a route they take just after it there could be an area guests go through that depict various areas of the ship and answer commonly asked questions about them. You could phrase it as an "look out for/see if you can spot *this* while you're aboard!" or as "do you remember seeing/were you wondering about *this* while you were aboard?" depending on where in their journey you show it to them. For particularly common questions I think this would be a cool way to get and keep people's interest in the ship. It will inevitably lead to more questions, but they will perhaps be one level deeper and of more intrigue, meaning their interest has been heightened, which I submit is what it's all about.
I was wondering about this. I always thought it was weird that they had that scene on battleship where they were moving a shell from one turret to another.
While not about battleships, my favorite naval movie has to be 'Midway'. Also, when I watch your videos, I am always in awe of the complexity of the ship. And to think that it was all designed with pencil and paper.
I love this channel! I've been catching up and watching all your videos for the past 6 months. It's been fun seeing Ryan get more comfortable in front of the camera. I've learned so damn much about everything nautical, thank you!
@@finley07 Not very tall, but I had stood on top of one of the “knee-knockers” to take a picture looking down Broadway. Lack of situational awareness then took over 😂
Best way to go through the doors on Broadway is to walk up to the first step, stick your leg through the door, past the step and onto the deck. Avoid the step entirely. I worked New Jersey and Missouri reactivations and most of the time hoses and cables were tied to the rails so you could smack your head easily. I was 5' 10" 318# and could easily "hurdle" those steps and move quickly through Broadway
While not a battleship movie, my favorite is The Battle of the River Plate. It not only uses real ships, but two of them actually fought in the real battle.
Favorite...I agree. Both movies are very good. I've watched so many movies Navy related and it's hard not to see the mistakes. Mr Roberts is one of my favorites. James Cagney must have come out of the same mold the officer was that was in charge of engineering on our ship. Fun times......RIGHT ! Barry
I worked in a large injection molding plant - presses up to 1,000 tons...had 2 gantry cranes that travelled across the entire length of the plant....one of the injection molds weighted 13 tons. 👍
My father built the same kind of beam into the ceiling of the garage he built next to our house when I was in high school, so that he could use an overhead chainfall hoist to do engine swaps in old cars instead of one of those rolling engine cranes.
You would enjoy the "handbrake" scene in Battleship, when they drop anchor and drift the 50K ton BB :) I love that movie anyway, worth to see it... not a documentary, but very spectacular. It really gives the feeling when a heavy girl fires a broadside and the recoil drifts the ship sideways.
The ship I was on, I transported chaff - dispensing pods for aircraft on overhead I beams and up a crane shaft to the sealed room where the pods were cleaned and reloaded with new chaff spools. Great fun.
Nice, I was asking about this in relation to Ryan's favorite door the other day. Specifically in relation to the door closing. Someone gave me the answer, but failed to mention where it was stowed. Fun side note: It was by referencing the overhead rail in extant portions of Fort Wetherill in Jamestown Rhode Island that allowed me to get a much better grasp of how the fort functioned internally back when I frequently wandered around inside of the fort.
@@DanielsPolitics1 Nope, it was not you. It was someone by the name of Gary Wayne (just went to check). But that said... Where something is stowed is actually beyond the scope of what I asked. Since I only asked how the rail worked in conjunction with the door. My 'failed to mention' part was really just me stating neutral facts. And not something like 'only told half the story' or anything of that nature. btw, after I originally made my comment the other day, my first thought was "you know, if he really did say where it was stowed I am, going to feel like a moron." But when I looked just now to see the name of the person, I got confirmation that I was correct. (I figure this is worth a chuckle at least)
IIRC, Under Siege was filmed using the USS Alabama, a South Dakota-Class battleship... I'd still like to see a video discussing the ship aspects of Under Siege.
I loved the scene in battleship where the six men are carrying the 16" shell down the hall. Then I did the math, 1600#s/6 people = 267#s per person. Given the small awkward size of the heavy shell, one mistake and the shell is on the deck on top someone's leg. Even at my physical peak as a heavyweight college wrestler I don't think I would have been able to carry a shell that size with five others. 😳 Would be an interesting challenge for a Mythbusters type program.
I assemble my team of Brian Shaw, Robert Oberst, Eddie Hall and Nick Best. Together they lift the shell, carry it to the first bulkhead and then... probably won't fit through the door. Hm.
@@BeezyKing99 simply "Yamato". You have to find a copy with subtitles as it's in Japanese. You can find clips on RUclips, but you have to wade through clips of an anime by the same name.
Honestly... The movie Battleship is my goto when I want something mindless and enjoyable... lots of it doesn't really make sense... the nice thing is it leaves lots of stuff unexplained and just moves the story onward... It's an uncomplicated guilty pleasure I let myself enjoy once in a while...
Great video! I was totally wondering about the door closing thing and then you answered it perfectly. That said..... you really should watch Battleship!! It's a much more entertaining movie than you are realizing
I have an idea for a new format: Ryan watches Movies with Battleships and we watch his reactions. And we add a blood pressure overlay and every time it goes above a threshold we drink a shot.
Your video on the anchor chain made me think of the scene in Battleship where they drop the anchor while at full speed so they can stop and turn the ship on a dime. Yes, groan. Missouri became the star when she was chosen as the site for the surrender. And, you have to admit, "Mighty Mo" is kind of catchy.
One thing about the Battleship movie, it's incredibly deferential to the veterans shown. To the average movie goer watching that scene it makes the old crew seem really "bad ass" for lack of a better term as long as you don't know there's a rail system in place just for such an occasion. A person calmly escorting the shell on a gantry while Thunderstruck is blasting away wouldn't have quite the same impact they're trying to achieve.
Except NO amount of manpower is going to physically carry a 16 inch shell. They could have shown them using the rail system correctly to the same soundtrack and it still would have been epic.
Oh my god I completely forgot about that scene from Battleship! It is exactly as you describe it and quite frankly, YOU CAN SEE THE RAIL IN THE SHOTS!! oh Hollywood.....
It made fora funny scene, but the next time they show them, you can see them fiddling with chains in the background, so they figured it out at some point.
Always on point, These videos really do the New Jersey credit as well as history. As far as battleship movies not sure. But In Harms way is the best naval movie imo.
I am watching this video because of the movie Battleship. It was what first got me into naval history, and I watch it every time it is played on TV. However I agree, and think that there should be more historical battleship movies. Washington vs Kirishima and the Battle of Jutland are some of the most deserving.
I’ve visited the Wisconsin and the Missouri. Luckily. Hope to visit the New Jersey one day! My favorite battleship movie is definitely with Tommy Lee Jones and Steven Segal also the one with Cher. 😜
I think you mentioned that Montana could have two "broadways" in a loop compared to the 1 broadway in an Iowa. Would there just be a solid structural wall, or would there be more doors allowing access between the two lanes?
@@chrisperrien7055 And if they wanted something more nimble, they did have a machine shop, they could build a smaller trolly to mount on the rails, something you could easily walk back with if there a re more stretchers coming.
@@davidmartensson273 Yea, they probably had some simple trolleys with no chain hoist. Had a longer post , which got ate, now I am disgusted, Regards :)
Not actually a battleship movie, but the 1926 silent film "Tell It to the Marines" starring Lon Chaney had a sequence that included Navy footage of the Pacific Squadron gunnery exercise in 1923. I had seen a photo of that in a book about battleship Texas, which was in that exercise. It was really cool to see those old dreadnaughts blasting away. I didn't know the photo was from a film until I saw the movie. Good movie.
Ahhh, Under Siege.As a teenage boy that movie made me fall in love with Steven Segal movies, Battlships, and cakes large enough to fit a person in them...
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Be honest, folks. If you were filming a movie and could either spend 3 months in Camden or 3 months in Honolulu, where would you go? 😎. And even though it was filmed on USS Salem and not on a battleship, “Battle of the River Platte” is an excellent film.
Ah, "Battle of the River Plate" also included so many WWII-era Royal Navy ships, including HMS Achilles and HMS Cumberland playing themselves. I agree it is a good movie that covers a fascinating campaign and includes lots of fantastic footage of historic warships!
Videos that I would like to see: 1. Electrical wiring generation and distribution. 2. Ship's daily paper work and logs. 3. Costs related to ship. 3. Age distribution of the officers and crew 4. Women sailors aboard.
I don't think any battleship would ever have had women sailors aboard; even the _Iowa_ class's last activation would've just missed them. The last active battleship, _Missouri,_ was decommissioned in 1992, and Congress authorized the Navy to post women aboard combatant vessels the following year. Before that (since they started going to sea in 1978), they were only posted to non-combat ships. (Also, you've got two items number 3 there. :)
what's interesting is that i hated history class in school, but with this digital revolution, i am finding my self on a bunch more history based videos.
@@johnm7249 except a bosun's chair tends to keep you upright and to get through doors without smacking his head he would need to be horizontal. Maybe if you slung it low enough it would work but might bang his shins. He is a whole curator unit tall. I'm short, might work for me.
'Sink the Bismarck' is a good movie, with nice footage of HMS Vanguard's 15" guns as a stand in for HMS Hood. HMS Victorious also appears, but in her late 1950s configuration with angled flight deck and searchlight radar.
I wish the would make a movie about Coronel and the Falklands. Not battleships exactly, but such a DRAMATIC story; the early days of a world war, two doomed fleets, and a stormy winter’s evening on the lonely far side of the world.
I can grasp moving the 16' shell from the magazines of turret one aft to supply turret 3, however unless there are several chain falls it would seem that it would take a very long time to move one shell then drag the hoist all the way back forward to get another. It would also seem that the necessity for doing this would be either damage to turret one that prevents her from continuing to fire while turret 3 is still engaged suggesting that this wold be under battle conditions. Would all of the doors along Broadway be allowed to be open during GQ to allow these shells to be passed through?
Hey Battleship New Jersey! I’m new to your channel and I find your content very Interesting! I was wondering what does it take to get a career in working on museum battleships. Do you need a specific type of degree or schooling? And are there specific requirements needed besides knowledge on the ships history?
I would suggest that the Missouri gets all the attention because the top people in charge of the films want to hang out in Hawaii while they're working. Also, I hate that "Battleship" exists and cannot in good faith recommend it to anyone who already loves battleships, BUUUUT... it's hilariously good fun catching a RUclips clip of the scene where they anchor-drop-drift the Missouri in blue water as though they were pulling the e-brake on a front-wheel-drive car at speed. It's wild!
oddly enough, they filmed Under Siege on the Alabama because the MO was already being taken out of service and was unavailable at the time of filming. I suspect they used sound stages for any areas of the ship they needed to recreate because they were different on the two ships.
Battleship is a fun movie to watch if you don't take it seriously. The anchor part is ridiculous too, but cool to imagine a battleship doing a turn like that, everyone inside would be thrown to the walls lol. The anchor chain would snap like a twig under that much force
Took my son to the Massachusetts when he was about 4. Ran my head into the end of the rail coming through a WT door. Head wounds bleed like crazy so I grabbed my son to speed up the process of getting to some first aid. Ended up exiting though the gift shop/lunch counter area carrying my son looking like something from a horror movie. Watch your head if you're over 6' 2".
I was a Missouri sailor and I did watch Battleship. I have a hard time recommending it, though, because of that wildly unrealistic scene with transferring the shell and something even more wildly unrealistic...with all of the active and retired captains and admirals "on the beach" in Hawaii, they give command of possibly the most historic ship in the fleet (and the only one which stands a chance of defeating the aliens) to a junior lieutenant? WEPS or OPS maybe, just maybe, but CO? Pull the other one! I was willing to give the filmmakers the rest of their premise, though, as "wiling suspension of disbelief". Yes, I was on board for the reactivation, but we left that ship in great shape and I can grant the outside possibility that with a round-the-clock effort by all the resources of Pearl Harbor base and shipyard she might have been ready to get underway the next day. I can even grant that, on a base as large and historic as Pearl, that somewhere on that island might have been at least a partial combat loadout of battleship ammo. But the two things above ruined the movie for me!
Back in the day, Under Siege was the first movie we rented on VHS and put through our stereo. Although basic by today's standards it was pretty awesome sound for back then
We used to run holding on to the trolly lifting our legs to see how far we could coast. PO Flossi about killed himself because he didn't know the section of beam had been removed going though the watertight door. Quite the bang when he and the trolly hit the deck! 😂
I like Ryan plugging his (our) ship for filming, you take great care of our lady.
I think if I were you and I was asked "what is the yellow rail for?" in person on board the ship, I would look at it in surprise and say, "I've honestly never seen that before".
Reminds of an anecdote I heard about a tourist asking a national park ranger “How many years for a deer to turn into a moose?” Answer: “About 7 years.”
@@damu1814 I hear those things are awfuly loud!
@@damu1814 And during the off time it's used by the monorail cat.
@@gaveintothedarkness they ride as softly as a cloud… What about us drunken slobs?
"Oh my god, you're right! What the hell is this thing?!"
That solution of having a section of rail that goes through the door, just sitting on the other sections by gravity, is so incredibly ingenious yet simple! It's truly humbling!
As an architectural historian and curator I just want to say how very well this curator explains everything here. Nicely done.
Came for the interesting rail down Broadway, stayed for the movie rant.
For real though, never thought about this rail concept. Super cool. Thanks for the vid!
RE: filming on Missouri instead of NJ, it was a happy coincidence that they were able to film at the same time that Missouri came out of drydock so they could easily tow her out to sea to get real shots of her "under way" instead of relying entirely on CGI or vintage footage. How much would it cost to tow NJ out to sea for a day or two of filming? Millions I'm guessing. Though if you found any film productions to take you up on the offer, that'd go a long way toward funding your planned drydock maintenance!
When it comes to museum ships, inwould say its prohibitively expensive. Its like asking "how expensive would it be for a tow truck to load up my broken vehical so i can "use it" to go bar hopping."
USS The Sullivans is in my home town, I have toured that ship and i love it, and i will be volunteering on the civilian clean up it needs, but the reason it was still salvageable is because it was in shallow water.
Towing an old ship out to deep water is both a massive waste of already limited museum funds, and a full on tempting disaster, for the sake of jcpenny glamour shots.
No. Deff no. Frack no.
Granted it is extremely common to for the interiors and exteriors of buildings and vehicles to be entirely different.
@@nicholastrawinski He pretty clearly indicated that it would be hypothetically done for filming, IE a movie, and it wouldn’t dip into museum funds. I’d bet $10 that if the museum was approached with the offer to tug NJ out to Delaware bay for a few hours of filming in exchange for covering drydock expenses, they would do it. Ryan has already said it will cost $20m to dry dock New Jersey, which isn’t an outlandish number in the number when you consider box office budgets routinely hit the $250m+ mark.
@@baker5035 ah yes, now that you said that i went back and reread the original post and see it different now.
Yea, if someone wants to pay for repairs AND THEN tow it out to deep water for a movie, by all means hell yes. Thats free money at that point. Lets go!
@@nicholastrawinski It is also a necessity for routine maintenance of the ship so it doesn't lose its watertight hull.
Your comment gives the impression you think drydocking is an optional luxury and not a maintenance requirement every few dozen years.
Ryan, you should do a fundraiser where once the goal (25k ?) is reached you have to watch Battleship and live stream your commentary on it (not showing the movie for copyright reasons of course).
I thought the same thing when I saw that.
So dramatic.
I would donate 100%
I’ve seen the movie multiple times. I actually like it. Not because it’s factually accurate but just because the Missouri is in it
Regarding filming in Hawaii, it comes down to filming days per year. 365 is a hard number to beat. Also, the large number of people willing to be extras who have a military or LE background. Lastly, for tax purposes, the studios are largely exempt from paying taxes or have large incentive tax breaks to film in Hawaii.
As for Battleship (the movie) there's ads and even a few scenes of sailors manning the rails in their whites as the Burkes are supposedly passing the Arizona Memorial. If you look closely, there's a decent number of seabee rating insignias on the whites of a lot of the sailors there because we were the only ones available to stand in as extras for the shots.
My first engineering assignment at Boeing involved the I-Beam trolleys at MX missile silos. We drop a part the size and weight of an 8 cylinder automobile engine down the personnel hatch to the little tunnel that runs into the launcher equipment room that surrounds the upper part of the silo. We hang it from a trolley on the I-beam installed in the tunnel and roll it to the main room. Then transfer the part to the trolley hanging from the I-beam in the equipment room that runs around the silo where we can roll it to where we can install it into the missile.
The transfer was the tricky part. It involved side loading the trolley on the I-beam. Factory safety regulations at the time, and presumably on these Iowa class battleships, is to not do that. The trolley would slip off the I-beam and the load would smash your legs and feet. So I got on the phone to Beebe and sweet talked them into supplying us with trolleys that can be safely side loaded without slipping off the I-beams.
So thanks to little ol' me, and to some engineers at Beebe, we were able to maintain the MX missiles in their silos until Reagan and Gorbachev started negotiating a reduction in the nuclear arms race.
Thank you for Your Service and your Attention to Detail, Brother.
I love hearing about things like the issue on Houston and Scharnhorst mentioned here and how the problem was overcome or fixed on the more modern vessel.
Yes Ryan Sink the Bismarck never gets old for me . Good Movie . Thank you for talking about the Rail .
Add another vote for _Sink The Bismarck_ . 👍
Those engineering access hatches and beam supports are rich! Wish we would have had them on my ships. We had to manhandle stuff out of hatches and escape trunks with chainfalls and come-alongs. In drydock, we would have hull cut access.
Ok, boomer
@@hilltop4847 Roger that, Groomer. I am so lucky to be a Boomer! Wild times, great times! We thought we had a future and lived that way.Figure that I have 15-20 years left, I am in perfect health. No pills at all. Retired. Enjoying life to the fullest. Unlike the newer generations. They have no real "present". And definitely no future to look forward to. I'll be dead and gone when the sheet hits the fan and it collapses. You won't.
Loved Under Seige. It was a Steven Seagal is Mary Sue movie, but I always thought everything around him looked like it was something that might happen. Thanks for validating!
I used the rail many times as part of the rigging team. Used it to move many different motors up to the re wind shop and to move pumps and valves to the machine shop.
By far the best videos of naval history of Battleships on RUclips! Great job!
Glad you mentioned Sink the Bismarck
Not strictly a battleship in the modern sense but my favorite film involving capital ships is Master and Commander with Russel Crowe; I guess in a way the old ships of the line were the battleships of their time so it fits.
The HMS Surprise is a Frigate as is the Acheron, neither of them are rated and are then not "Line of Battle Ships" and not the shorter Battleship. They aren't capital ships. As much as I love the movie, especially the interpersonal communication of Aubrey and Maturin, I have to say wrong for the right reasons. ;)
A great and highly underrated movie. The whole book series was a tremendous reading experience.
@@darylmorning I noticed they reused the same ship for both and shot so many scenes of the sailing ship under power. The prop wash could have been taken out with special effects but wasn't. Does not take away from it being a good movie capturing the flavor of the era. Most watching the movie would not notice either of these items.
For pre iron clad vessels I agree completely
@@darylmorning Just to add a little more detail: Some smaller ships, small relative to the line ships at least (which really are damned big), would be directly involved with the line as things like signaling ships. But even then, nobody would consider them as line of battle ships.
edit: Also to note is that the lineage with frigates like Surprise in the movie, goes on to evolve into modern cruisers. The concept used that is. Powerful surface combatants with long legs, but not anywhere near as powerful as the true big boys.
I have only ever been to the Alabama, and was typing up the comment "I don't remember seeing this on BB-60" when you noted the SD class didn't have this (and why). You think of everything!!! Great video, very interesting.
She does, but it's all for engineering
Coincidentally the ship they used when making Under Siege ^_^ .
(for basically all but the exterior shots)
I remember the rails and access hatches aboard Alabama. Coincidentally, the sub was actually the USS Drum. Alabama towed her out into the Gulf for filming...
If you think the broadway scene in "Battleship" would give you high blood pressure, then the anchor scene would give you an aneurism!
When you consider all of the requirements you suspend disbelief in order to accept The Missouri’s role in the movie battleship, hauling the shell is the least among them. All that requires is to come up with the excuse that either current damage or the process of turning it into a museum ship means that the rail down Broadway is not fully accessible anymore and that the shell was being hauled by multiple teams with each team surging to carry the shell a short distance , after all , at this point we have already accepted that the boilers could be lit so fast, and a museum ship still had live ammunition and powder onboard
"...CGI nightmare..." lol, best Ryan quip ever!
I honestly thought I would hate Battleship, but I really loved it...you definitely have to suspend your imagination. That movie is one of the reasons I live this channel. The movie captured how tough a battleship really is.
Potential suggestion for the museum: I strongly agree with minimising the signage on the ship, however, either before visitors board the ship or as part of a route they take just after it there could be an area guests go through that depict various areas of the ship and answer commonly asked questions about them. You could phrase it as an "look out for/see if you can spot *this* while you're aboard!" or as "do you remember seeing/were you wondering about *this* while you were aboard?" depending on where in their journey you show it to them. For particularly common questions I think this would be a cool way to get and keep people's interest in the ship. It will inevitably lead to more questions, but they will perhaps be one level deeper and of more intrigue, meaning their interest has been heightened, which I submit is what it's all about.
That's a good idea. Makes the tour sort of interactive and makes you notice all the important little things.
Interesting idea... hmmm thinks about how it could be deployed in a railway museum (ie basically passenger/goods cars and steam locomotives.)
As a former educator...I love the idea!
A great way to wrap up the tour.
...you could also have "treasure hunts"
Hey, Ryan, I want to hear you do your best Drachinifelian rant, and having you rant about "Battleship" would be a dream come true...!
Yes…THIS
I was wondering about this. I always thought it was weird that they had that scene on battleship where they were moving a shell from one turret to another.
While not about battleships, my favorite naval movie has to be 'Midway'.
Also, when I watch your videos, I am always in awe of the complexity of the ship. And to think that it was all designed with pencil and paper.
The good one...not the horrible 2019 remake.
Thanks for answering my questions from the other day about how you close the door.
@6:45 The worst part about that scene in Battleship is that you can see the complete rail right above their head while they're carrying the shell
:)) Really? My God!
I love this channel! I've been catching up and watching all your videos for the past 6 months. It's been fun seeing Ryan get more comfortable in front of the camera. I've learned so damn much about everything nautical, thank you!
Ryan's indignation about how Hollywood always films on Missouri instead of New Jersey was quite endearing. You're right, it's NOT fair!
Let see. Hawaii, tropical paradise. New Jersey
Enough said
@@brucechapa6958 you have a point...
@@brucechapa6958 Also you won't get robbed, shot or murdered in Honolulu like you will in Camden.
@@brucechapa6958 That's what I thought. Near perfect weather year round in Hawaii.
Under Seige immediately came to mind when I first saw this video and it's nice to learn that it accurately depicted how the I-beams would be used.
I smacked my head on this last week! 😂
How tall are you
@@finley07 Not very tall, but I had stood on top of one of the “knee-knockers” to take a picture looking down Broadway. Lack of situational awareness then took over 😂
Best way to go through the doors on Broadway is to walk up to the first step, stick your leg through the door, past the step and onto the deck. Avoid the step entirely. I worked New Jersey and Missouri reactivations and most of the time hoses and cables were tied to the rails so you could smack your head easily. I was 5' 10" 318# and could easily "hurdle" those steps and move quickly through Broadway
the walk through gopro footage moving through the ship is awesome I could watch it for an hour
While not a battleship movie, my favorite is The Battle of the River Plate. It not only uses real ships, but two of them actually fought in the real battle.
One of the greatest sea battles ever made!
Favorite...I agree. Both movies are very good.
I've watched so many movies Navy related and it's hard not to see the mistakes.
Mr Roberts is one of my favorites. James Cagney must have come out of the same mold the officer was that was in charge of engineering on our ship. Fun times......RIGHT !
Barry
We had I beam hoists like that in the plastic factory i used to work at. also seen them in machine shops and stuff before.
I worked in a large injection molding plant - presses up to 1,000 tons...had 2 gantry cranes that travelled across the entire length of the plant....one of the injection molds weighted 13 tons.
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@@raybin6873 we had a crane like that in the other half of the factory
My father built the same kind of beam into the ceiling of the garage he built next to our house when I was in high school, so that he could use an overhead chainfall hoist to do engine swaps in old cars instead of one of those rolling engine cranes.
You would enjoy the "handbrake" scene in Battleship, when they drop anchor and drift the 50K ton BB :) I love that movie anyway, worth to see it... not a documentary, but very spectacular. It really gives the feeling when a heavy girl fires a broadside and the recoil drifts the ship sideways.
Best Comment on that movie...
The ship I was on, I transported chaff - dispensing pods for aircraft on overhead I beams and up a crane shaft to the sealed room where the pods were cleaned and reloaded with new chaff spools. Great fun.
Ya know, I never really thought about the logistics of chaff. How to load it, how to store it, how it's manufactured, all of that.
Nice, I was asking about this in relation to Ryan's favorite door the other day. Specifically in relation to the door closing.
Someone gave me the answer, but failed to mention where it was stowed.
Fun side note: It was by referencing the overhead rail in extant portions of Fort Wetherill in Jamestown Rhode Island that allowed me to get a much better grasp of how the fort functioned internally back when I frequently wandered around inside of the fort.
It may have been me that gave that answer. If so, I didn’t say where it was stowed because I didn’t know that until I saw this video.
@@DanielsPolitics1 Nope, it was not you. It was someone by the name of Gary Wayne (just went to check).
But that said... Where something is stowed is actually beyond the scope of what I asked. Since I only asked how the rail worked in conjunction with the door.
My 'failed to mention' part was really just me stating neutral facts. And not something like 'only told half the story' or anything of that nature.
btw, after I originally made my comment the other day, my first thought was "you know, if he really did say where it was stowed I am, going to feel like a moron." But when I looked just now to see the name of the person, I got confirmation that I was correct. (I figure this is worth a chuckle at least)
Excellent information and presentation in this video. Thanks for the knowledge break.
IIRC, Under Siege was filmed using the USS Alabama, a South Dakota-Class battleship... I'd still like to see a video discussing the ship aspects of Under Siege.
Maybe Ryan can pop out of the cake...
@@Blackjack701AD that is so funny
@@Blackjack701AD let's get him to dress up like Cher and lip sync turn back time . I truly hope and pray that it NEVER EVER HAPPENS
I thought the ship in under siege was the uss Missouri.
Now I see why they used the uss Alabama as the uss Missouri. Uss Missouri was commissioned at the time the movie debuted. Makes since now.
I loved the scene in battleship where the six men are carrying the 16" shell down the hall. Then I did the math, 1600#s/6 people = 267#s per person. Given the small awkward size of the heavy shell, one mistake and the shell is on the deck on top someone's leg. Even at my physical peak as a heavyweight college wrestler I don't think I would have been able to carry a shell that size with five others. 😳 Would be an interesting challenge for a Mythbusters type program.
was gonna say that too. 😂😂
My thoughts exactly
Except you made a small error a AP shell weighs 2,700 pounds. That equals 450 pounds per person.
Just googled clip!🤣
I assemble my team of Brian Shaw, Robert Oberst, Eddie Hall and Nick Best. Together they lift the shell, carry it to the first bulkhead and then... probably won't fit through the door. Hm.
The Japanese film on Yamato was incredibly well done. Brutal.
What's it called?
@@BeezyKing99 Yamato
@@BeezyKing99 simply "Yamato". You have to find a copy with subtitles as it's in Japanese. You can find clips on RUclips, but you have to wade through clips of an anime by the same name.
lots of gore, blood and death
it's full name is Otoko tachi no Yamato
Ryan, great job. Would LOVE to see a video of your favorite naval based films!
Honestly... The movie Battleship is my goto when I want something mindless and enjoyable... lots of it doesn't really make sense... the nice thing is it leaves lots of stuff unexplained and just moves the story onward...
It's an uncomplicated guilty pleasure I let myself enjoy once in a while...
Great video! I was totally wondering about the door closing thing and then you answered it perfectly. That said..... you really should watch Battleship!! It's a much more entertaining movie than you are realizing
Ryan, this is a great video on the I beam system. Also hoisting up equipment to another floor.
Thanks for information about the rail system, also about how the rail is removed so WTH can be closed and sealed!
I have an idea for a new format: Ryan watches Movies with Battleships and we watch his reactions. And we add a blood pressure overlay and every time it goes above a threshold we drink a shot.
😄😆😂🤣😂😆😄
Great video as always. You are very good at explaining to laymen!
Your video on the anchor chain made me think of the scene in Battleship where they drop the anchor while at full speed so they can stop and turn the ship on a dime. Yes, groan. Missouri became the star when she was chosen as the site for the surrender. And, you have to admit, "Mighty Mo" is kind of catchy.
Black Dragon is a pretty good name too though
All I ever think of when I hear “mighty mo” is how she got mighty stuck due to a navigation error lol
Thank you for answering our question!
That trip down Broadway was visually interesting. I can't wait to visit USS New Jersey!
One thing about the Battleship movie, it's incredibly deferential to the veterans shown. To the average movie goer watching that scene it makes the old crew seem really "bad ass" for lack of a better term as long as you don't know there's a rail system in place just for such an occasion. A person calmly escorting the shell on a gantry while Thunderstruck is blasting away wouldn't have quite the same impact they're trying to achieve.
Except NO amount of manpower is going to physically carry a 16 inch shell. They could have shown them using the rail system correctly to the same soundtrack and it still would have been epic.
@@Bellthorian especially if they were dodging knee-knockers as they race forward.
I mean let's be honest, the only good part about the movie is that they forked out enough money to play Thunderstruck in those scenes!
I appreciate the effort on the part of the producers of this movie and those of 'Under Siege' to respect the veterans.
What if there was a boombox sitting on top of the shell playing Thunderstruck as they moved it? That could work.
thank you for going ON the rails about the rails
Oh my god I completely forgot about that scene from Battleship! It is exactly as you describe it and quite frankly, YOU CAN SEE THE RAIL IN THE SHOTS!! oh Hollywood.....
It made fora funny scene, but the next time they show them, you can see them fiddling with chains in the background, so they figured it out at some point.
Great video from the battleship.
Now I really want a Ryan reacts to battleship video.
Always on point, These videos really do the New Jersey credit as well as history. As far as battleship movies not sure. But In Harms way is the best naval movie imo.
"We've got ourselves another war. A gut-bustin', mother-lovin' Navy war."
Best Naval movie . THEY WERE EXPENDABLE
You're not wrong about the movie Battleship, but it's a guilty pleasure of mine. 😄 They really do put the battleship used in a good light.
wonderful......cheers, Paul
I am watching this video because of the movie Battleship. It was what first got me into naval history, and I watch it every time it is played on TV. However I agree, and think that there should be more historical battleship movies. Washington vs Kirishima and the Battle of Jutland are some of the most deserving.
I’ve visited the Wisconsin and the Missouri. Luckily. Hope to visit the New Jersey one day! My favorite battleship movie is definitely with Tommy Lee Jones and Steven Segal also the one with Cher. 😜
And the overhead rail also serves to move Tomahawk missiles to submarines parked next to the ship 😃
The overhead rail has to be modified first. A Crack team of metal workers cutting and welding.
Super cool to learn. Awesome!
I think you mentioned that Montana could have two "broadways" in a loop compared to the 1 broadway in an Iowa. Would there just be a solid structural wall, or would there be more doors allowing access between the two lanes?
Good episode!
There was a very brief shot of the medical department, very brief, but I remember it. I want to visit her one day!!
for attaching a stretcher to the beams, did they have or make something special to do it, or did they use existing trolleys/hoists?
The chain hoist rollers, as shown, have a hook, it doesn't matter what is slung under them.
@@chrisperrien7055 And if they wanted something more nimble, they did have a machine shop, they could build a smaller trolly to mount on the rails, something you could easily walk back with if there a re more stretchers coming.
@@davidmartensson273 Yea, they probably had some simple trolleys with no chain hoist. Had a longer post , which got ate, now I am disgusted,
Regards :)
Thanx for referencing the rail in Under Siege.
Not actually a battleship movie, but the 1926 silent film "Tell It to the Marines" starring Lon Chaney had a sequence that included Navy footage of the Pacific Squadron gunnery exercise in 1923. I had seen a photo of that in a book about battleship Texas, which was in that exercise. It was really cool to see those old dreadnaughts blasting away. I didn't know the photo was from a film until I saw the movie. Good movie.
Great video. Total fiction but the Bedford incident is a good movie. As was the Enemy Below.
Ahhh, Under Siege.As a teenage boy that movie made me fall in love with Steven Segal movies, Battlships, and cakes large enough to fit a person in them...
Be honest, folks. If you were filming a movie and could either spend 3 months in Camden or 3 months in Honolulu, where would you go? 😎. And even though it was filmed on USS Salem and not on a battleship, “Battle of the River Platte” is an excellent film.
Ah, "Battle of the River Plate" also included so many WWII-era Royal Navy ships, including HMS Achilles and HMS Cumberland playing themselves. I agree it is a good movie that covers a fascinating campaign and includes lots of fantastic footage of historic warships!
Very cool to learn, Thank you!
Videos that I would like to see: 1. Electrical wiring generation and distribution. 2. Ship's daily paper work and logs. 3. Costs related to ship. 3. Age distribution of the officers and crew 4. Women sailors aboard.
I don't think any battleship would ever have had women sailors aboard; even the _Iowa_ class's last activation would've just missed them. The last active battleship, _Missouri,_ was decommissioned in 1992, and Congress authorized the Navy to post women aboard combatant vessels the following year. Before that (since they started going to sea in 1978), they were only posted to non-combat ships.
(Also, you've got two items number 3 there. :)
thanks for explaining how you can close the watertight doors with the beams in the way.
what's interesting is that i hated history class in school, but with this digital revolution, i am finding my self on a bunch more history based videos.
It will be hilarious if Ryan does this video using a harness to hang from the overhead rail. 😁
Fling the curator. Where will he stop? nobody knows.
A bosun's chair ...
While moving between rooms!
@@johnm7249 except a bosun's chair tends to keep you upright and to get through doors without smacking his head he would need to be horizontal. Maybe if you slung it low enough it would work but might bang his shins. He is a whole curator unit tall. I'm short, might work for me.
@@alwaysbearded1 He could be horizontal, and 'fly' thru the ship ala Superman.
'Sink the Bismarck' is a good movie, with nice footage of HMS Vanguard's 15" guns as a stand in for HMS Hood. HMS Victorious also appears, but in her late 1950s configuration with angled flight deck and searchlight radar.
For my as a german, the u-boat film "Das Boot" is by far the best movie regarding the navy fleet.
I wish the would make a movie about Coronel and the Falklands. Not battleships exactly, but such a DRAMATIC story; the early days of a world war, two doomed fleets, and a stormy winter’s evening on the lonely far side of the world.
Massachusetts also uses an overhead rail which is still visible around the machine shop and several of the magazines
I can grasp moving the 16' shell from the magazines of turret one aft to supply turret 3, however unless there are several chain falls it would seem that it would take a very long time to move one shell then drag the hoist all the way back forward to get another. It would also seem that the necessity for doing this would be either damage to turret one that prevents her from continuing to fire while turret 3 is still engaged suggesting that this wold be under battle conditions. Would all of the doors along Broadway be allowed to be open during GQ to allow these shells to be passed through?
Hey Battleship New Jersey! I’m new to your channel and I find your content very Interesting! I was wondering what does it take to get a career in working on museum battleships. Do you need a specific type of degree or schooling? And are there specific requirements needed besides knowledge on the ships history?
We have a video we made about how our curator got the job: ruclips.net/video/yEbs410JuEA/видео.html
@@BattleshipNewJersey 10-4, i will check that video out later! thanks!
Somebody read the comments on the video about the door lol
There were only a few hundred questions about it!
@@BattleshipNewJersey And they’re still coming!
Can we pay $1,000 for a curator's tour and sit in Ryan's office with Battleship playing? I may have some crowdfunding to do lol
You'd probably get a Cease and Desist or a restraining order barring you from ever stepping foot on any navy ship.
I dunno, Jersey might spontaneously manifest (a-la Kancolle) and yeet you out through her main battery if you did this. 🤣
Very good video, I just asked about it recently 😀👍🏻
I would suggest that the Missouri gets all the attention because the top people in charge of the films want to hang out in Hawaii while they're working.
Also, I hate that "Battleship" exists and cannot in good faith recommend it to anyone who already loves battleships, BUUUUT... it's hilariously good fun catching a RUclips clip of the scene where they anchor-drop-drift the Missouri in blue water as though they were pulling the e-brake on a front-wheel-drive car at speed. It's wild!
oddly enough, they filmed Under Siege on the Alabama because the MO was already being taken out of service and was unavailable at the time of filming. I suspect they used sound stages for any areas of the ship they needed to recreate because they were different on the two ships.
Do the rails run near food stowage as well?
Battleship is a fun movie to watch if you don't take it seriously. The anchor part is ridiculous too, but cool to imagine a battleship doing a turn like that, everyone inside would be thrown to the walls lol. The anchor chain would snap like a twig under that much force
Took my son to the Massachusetts when he was about 4. Ran my head into the end of the rail coming through a WT door. Head wounds bleed like crazy so I grabbed my son to speed up the process of getting to some first aid. Ended up exiting though the gift shop/lunch counter area carrying my son looking like something from a horror movie. Watch your head if you're over 6' 2".
I was a Missouri sailor and I did watch Battleship. I have a hard time recommending it, though, because of that wildly unrealistic scene with transferring the shell and something even more wildly unrealistic...with all of the active and retired captains and admirals "on the beach" in Hawaii, they give command of possibly the most historic ship in the fleet (and the only one which stands a chance of defeating the aliens) to a junior lieutenant? WEPS or OPS maybe, just maybe, but CO? Pull the other one!
I was willing to give the filmmakers the rest of their premise, though, as "wiling suspension of disbelief". Yes, I was on board for the reactivation, but we left that ship in great shape and I can grant the outside possibility that with a round-the-clock effort by all the resources of Pearl Harbor base and shipyard she might have been ready to get underway the next day. I can even grant that, on a base as large and historic as Pearl, that somewhere on that island might have been at least a partial combat loadout of battleship ammo. But the two things above ruined the movie for me!
you should do a video talking about Under Siege scenes!
Back in the day, Under Siege was the first movie we rented on VHS and put through our stereo. Although basic by today's standards it was pretty awesome sound for back then
Very interesting-----thank you.
We used to run holding on to the trolly lifting our legs to see how far we could coast. PO Flossi about killed himself because he didn't know the section of beam had been removed going though the watertight door. Quite the bang when he and the trolly hit the deck! 😂
"How the hell did you manage to fracture your tailbone, sailor?" "Well, Doc..."
Do the North Carolina and South Dakota classes have a similar rail system?
As an electrician's mate, I'm thinking that overhead rail, a chain hoist and some straps would be handy for swapping out fans, motors and pumps.