ESB configuration so the clamp should be on the other side...Also in almost every ESB scene the glass eye was replaced with another red button like the one under the bunny ears
This dude has no idea what he's talking about. "This would've been one of the set piece created by Roger Christian for the Empire Strikes Back." Roger Christian didn't even work on ESB.
@@saltypickle7758 There are no surviving sabers from ANH, or at least, none of the hero props. They were all dismantled and returned to the props department.
Yeah that’s not an original saber. Graflexes are so common now it’s hard to tell an original from replica. The only original saber still around is the one at Skywalker ranch.
Ok, I'm not a 100% replica expert but I sure am a film expert. I've seen a lot of comments saying that that's not an ESB lightsaber, that it's a fake, replica, and that the owners got scammed. I do agree . . . To some extent. Here's why: Sure, that lightsaber matches absolutely NONE of the hilts we see on-screen. Mainly because of the features and not necessarily the colors (because colors in clothes and props change significantly from the real object since, quite obviously, the film gets color treated and colorized, even today with the digital era, so, saying something is fake because on-film looked slightly darker or lighter or a different tone is a wrong claim) And yes, they got scammed because they shouldn't have paid that much money for something that wasn't even used, and no, Mr. Roger Christian didn't even work on Empire😂 However, however, I do not believe the prop is a fake, I believe that it was indeed made for ESB but as a duplicate or stunt prop (just in case the main ones got lost). Many people claim that only ONE was made for Mark Hamill when in reality, even Mark himself has said (and it is a common practice in the business) that there were many made. For example, Roger Christian said that he made around 6 or 7 for ANH. So, like I said, this one wasn't even used in the film😂 but I do believe it was made as a duplicate or stunt prop just in case. (Duplicates or stunt props are usually made from cheaper materials and most of the times they don't match the 'Hero Prop', and are made from leftovers from the previous film. Take for example the 'Version Two' of Luke's Lightsaber from ROTJ)
@@warrenrhinerson6373 So, so many tells. For starters: 1. In Empire, the grips had black screws, not rivets. 2. You can tell that the D ring clip (called the Kobold clip by collectors and enthusiasts) is a fake and WAY smaller than a normal kobold. Just compare it to the wampa cave scene in Empire, it's very easy to tell. 3. The grips were NOT brown and painted black as he claims. No screen used and/or production used Graflex have had brown t tracks, and no production used Graflex has had T Tracks with that tall of a profile. 4. This replica is also missing the clamp card and second button. 5. This is not the first "Production used" saber that Roger Shaw had put up for auction. He did many, claiming they were the real deal. Not a single one was. He simply would assemble them after the fact when he needed money. Lightsabers are my full time job, and I know every detail of the Graflex. Check out my Facebook page, Space Coast Sabers. :)
@@DanielTesenair I do see where you are coming from, however there are some issues I do have with your observations. for consistency's sake I will follow the same order you had. 1: regarding the screws or rivets, I have actually seen both being used on official replicas. In filming star wars, they normally make multiple copies of the same prop. It is very possible some of the copies made for filming may have had screws or rivets based on what they had to work with. 2: I honestly can't tell a difference, so I can't say much without physically looking at this and the movie side by side. 3:With the bottom grip section, that really depends on the material used for the grip section. On the New Hope version, the grip was made of windshield wipers glued to the handle. If they tried the same way in Empire, the grip would have cracked. In this particular case, it does look like they were make out of bakelite, which is very resistant to extreme heat and cold and appears brownish red in color. 4: The clamp cards just held in with the clamp itself, and the second button was just glued on. Considering the movie was made when Jimmy Carter was President of the United States, it is very possible they cold have just fallen off with time 5: I do not know much about Roger Shaw, I do know about Roger Christianson though. Even in Mark Hamill himself said there were multiple ones made for each movie(I think with the exception of Return of the Jedi). Now, I am no expert, and I do believe you know your stuff. I am not saying this is one of the ones that was screen used, but it is possible this was on set. It is also possible this one was for still pictures where you didn't see the second button or clamp card anyway. I appreciate your time, and I will be checking our your products when I can. Thank you
@@warrenrhinerson6373 Sorry brother, but just based on your quote: "the grip was made of windshield wipers glued to the handle" I can tell you don't really know too much about this prop. It's a very common misconception, but the grips were actually made out of plastic T track from sliding cabinet doors. With that being said, let me quickly run off a counter argument. 1. Replicas are NOT always accurate to their real counterparts, and are not reliable sources for information about actual production made props. Back in the 90s and early 2000s when MR and other companies were making replicas of the ESB hilt, a chap named Shane Johnson wrote a book about the props titled "Star Wars Technical Journal". Because there were no high resolution photos of the props at that time, Shane looked at the low resolution images available at the time and thought he saw rivets in the grips and so, in the diagrams of his book, he drew rivets. Replica makers such as MR used his book as a source, and for years the notion that rivets were used in the grips was common. It wasn't until very recently that high resolution photos and new material has come out, and it's very easy to tell now that screws were 100% used. There is a not a single proven production used prop and/or photo that shows rivets. It simply just wasn't a thing in any of the hilts made for the film. 2: "I can't say much without physically looking at this and the movie side by side." Well here's your side by side: imgur.com/a/brgCPdb As you can clearly see, the kobold on the replica (left) is much shorter than the kobold on the real production used hilt on the right. You can also tell the one in the video has a replica kobold because on a real kobold there is a T shaped cutout that can be seen from the ends. ( imgur.com/a/nEWjV5I ) This is not present on the Ripleys hilt. Replica kobolds were not made back in the late 70s when this movie was being filmed. This was made well after the fact. 3. I already argued this above, but for the sake of reiteration - The grips were T tracks, not windshield wipers. I've interviewed Roger Christian and asked him about this very same hilt when it has first surfaced. I asked him if any T tracks he used were brown and then painted black after the fact and he said they were all black from the start. The set had rolls of them throughout all 3 movies, so why would they have to make resin casts of them as you claim? 4. The button is SCREWED in. Not glued. It does not come out easily. Also, have you ever tried to remove a clamp card from a locked Graflex clamp? It's not easy. They don't just fall out. 5. I talk to Roger Christian quite frequently. I've interviewed him on multiple occasions and I'm working with him now to make a run of replicas. He was the set decorator only on A New Hope, but left for Empire Strikes Back. Like you said, there were many hilts made for each movie, but not a single piece of photographic evidence proves that this one is real. With all due respect Warren, I am an expert. I've been key in discovering many previously unknown details about this very prop. I've spent years studying every detail of it, looking over photographs and interviewing key members of the production team of the Star Wars movies for this reason exactly - to know what's real and what's not, and to create the most accurate replicas possible. This Ripleys hilt has been proven fake by MANY people in the community. I certainly implore you to do your own research though. If you want to learn more about the Graflex props in general, please come join us in the Facebook Group "Graflex Addicts Support Group". That's the number one source to talk about and learn more about these iconic props. Also, the RPF has many threads to read through if you want to learn more. I also HIGHLY suggest the Lightsaber Bible, written by my good friend Seth Sherwood - it details the FACTS about every lightsaber hilt. It's available for free at: wannawanga.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/SWLB_May_2019.pdf
Lol I seen this replica in person at Ripley’s that very weekend in Niagara Falls and I laughed, any prop enthusiast who knows anything about Star Wars knows this was not used onscreen!
Warren Rhinerson there were screws in the grips instead of rivets, two buttons instead of just one, tape across the clamp, and a card held in the clamp
its the original one.. the desing was use in the ep 5 comic .. when luke lost his lightsaber at the trash .. idk wht it is .. but the ugnut Use the saber and its a same desings like this the clamp is Backwards.. and thats the original.. Concept.. yes its not the original.. its just a concept ... for the saber.. then the prop teams mod it and change the clamp so it can get better use . and But the card on the clamp for future look . and you can look at google the original saber
If it somehow is the original, someone changed it. The front of the saber is supposed to have a red button housing just like it does on the back. This one has the glass eye on the front which would be accurate to Ep.4 or Ep.7., but not Ep.5.
For one thing this is the new hope version not the empire strikes back look at the glass button on the front and the activation box is on the right side not the left
@@ChampaRealLordChampa I understand and that's why I'm pretty sure that this is a fake the esb one had a red button instead of a glass eye and like I said before the activation box is on the wrong side and the esb saber didnt have a bubble strip it had a sort of circuit board thing
That is not screen used or original in any capacity. I am 10000% positive. The complete incorrect shape of the t tracks is a dead give away and the fact that Roger had no involvement with ESB.
400k for a replica....hehehehe. you have to sell your to actually spent 400k on a replica. even though i love star wars so much, there's no way in hell i would spent 400k.
I have a light sabor very old with two autographs Hamill and powers. With movie quotes. Can you help me she'd some light on it? Was given to me after a movie prop maker passed away....
I own an original lightsaber from first trillogy. Mine is unique inthat it was used when they jousted ( used wood dowels with reflective tape) which were animated in post production. Any buyers?
is somebody can write the price of saber cause I m french and I dont understand welll what price he give . Thanks cause it is big FAKE! by this stupidS people tvshopping
Could it be that they don't want to bring out the real one because of possible damage to a half a million dollar piece, so they brought out a replica to make the show.
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*it belongs in a museum*
That it does
So do you, dr. Jones
Ikr
Yup
I was about to drop the exact same comment.
It’s commonly accepted the screen used saber had screws not pop rivets not to mention the missing red button
while i agree that this isn’t a the screen used prop, it isn’t true that the ESB hilt didn’t have rivets it did with the hoth version.
Wears gloves to protect the prop, puts prop on hard counter top with no soft padding or cloth.
It’s just a friggin movie prop.
Countertops don't secrete oils
@@sharpshotefx But hard counter tops can scratch and damage the prop on other ways.
ESB configuration so the clamp should be on the other side...Also in almost every ESB scene the glass eye was replaced with another red button like the one under the bunny ears
It's not an original
I love how she's saying "ohh yeah" like she has any idea wtf he's talking about!!!😂
She only know the pussycat 😅😅😅
This dude has no idea what he's talking about. "This would've been one of the set piece created by Roger Christian for the Empire Strikes Back."
Roger Christian didn't even work on ESB.
I’m pretty sure that saber is actually from a new hope because of the glass eye and the box thing on the side is on the right instead of the left.
@@saltypickle7758 The one in ANH didn't have the rivets on the t-strips
@@marpalafox7842 everything else points to it being Anh saber. Mabye is just really inaccurate.
@@saltypickle7758 There are no surviving sabers from ANH, or at least, none of the hero props. They were all dismantled and returned to the props department.
Yeah that’s not an original saber. Graflexes are so common now it’s hard to tell an original from replica. The only original saber still around is the one at Skywalker ranch.
Prooof?
@@samjam77 what do you mean proof
@@Potheadhybrid I didn’t say that
@@samjam77 you said prooof
@@Potheadhybrid yea and
Ok, I'm not a 100% replica expert but I sure am a film expert.
I've seen a lot of comments saying that that's not an ESB lightsaber, that it's a fake, replica, and that the owners got scammed.
I do agree . . . To some extent.
Here's why:
Sure, that lightsaber matches absolutely NONE of the hilts we see on-screen. Mainly because of the features and not necessarily the colors (because colors in clothes and props change significantly from the real object since, quite obviously, the film gets color treated and colorized, even today with the digital era, so, saying something is fake because on-film looked slightly darker or lighter or a different tone is a wrong claim)
And yes, they got scammed because they shouldn't have paid that much money for something that wasn't even used, and no, Mr. Roger Christian didn't even work on Empire😂
However, however, I do not believe the prop is a fake, I believe that it was indeed made for ESB but as a duplicate or stunt prop (just in case the main ones got lost).
Many people claim that only ONE was made for Mark Hamill when in reality, even Mark himself has said (and it is a common practice in the business) that there were many made. For example, Roger Christian said that he made around 6 or 7 for ANH.
So, like I said, this one wasn't even used in the film😂 but I do believe it was made as a duplicate or stunt prop just in case.
(Duplicates or stunt props are usually made from cheaper materials and most of the times they don't match the 'Hero Prop', and are made from leftovers from the previous film. Take for example the 'Version Two' of Luke's Lightsaber from ROTJ)
Technically, the first lightsaber hilt ever seen on screen is Vader's lightsaber. You can see it attached to his belt when he enters the Tantive IV.
So funny that Ripleys got scammed on this thing. $477K for a fake.
How can you tell it’s a fake?
@@warrenrhinerson6373 So, so many tells. For starters:
1. In Empire, the grips had black screws, not rivets.
2. You can tell that the D ring clip (called the Kobold clip by collectors and enthusiasts) is a fake and WAY smaller than a normal kobold. Just compare it to the wampa cave scene in Empire, it's very easy to tell.
3. The grips were NOT brown and painted black as he claims. No screen used and/or production used Graflex have had brown t tracks, and no production used Graflex has had T Tracks with that tall of a profile.
4. This replica is also missing the clamp card and second button.
5. This is not the first "Production used" saber that Roger Shaw had put up for auction. He did many, claiming they were the real deal. Not a single one was. He simply would assemble them after the fact when he needed money.
Lightsabers are my full time job, and I know every detail of the Graflex. Check out my Facebook page, Space Coast Sabers. :)
@@DanielTesenair I do see where you are coming from, however there are some issues I do have with your observations. for consistency's sake I will follow the same order you had.
1: regarding the screws or rivets, I have actually seen both being used on official replicas. In filming star wars, they normally make multiple copies of the same prop. It is very possible some of the copies made for filming may have had screws or rivets based on what they had to work with.
2: I honestly can't tell a difference, so I can't say much without physically looking at this and the movie side by side.
3:With the bottom grip section, that really depends on the material used for the grip section. On the New Hope version, the grip was made of windshield wipers glued to the handle. If they tried the same way in Empire, the grip would have cracked. In this particular case, it does look like they were make out of bakelite, which is very resistant to extreme heat and cold and appears brownish red in color.
4: The clamp cards just held in with the clamp itself, and the second button was just glued on. Considering the movie was made when Jimmy Carter was President of the United States, it is very possible they cold have just fallen off with time
5: I do not know much about Roger Shaw, I do know about Roger Christianson though. Even in Mark Hamill himself said there were multiple ones made for each movie(I think with the exception of Return of the Jedi).
Now, I am no expert, and I do believe you know your stuff. I am not saying this is one of the ones that was screen used, but it is possible this was on set. It is also possible this one was for still pictures where you didn't see the second button or clamp card anyway. I appreciate your time, and I will be checking our your products when I can. Thank you
@@warrenrhinerson6373 Sorry brother, but just based on your quote: "the grip was made of windshield wipers glued to the handle" I can tell you don't really know too much about this prop. It's a very common misconception, but the grips were actually made out of plastic T track from sliding cabinet doors.
With that being said, let me quickly run off a counter argument.
1. Replicas are NOT always accurate to their real counterparts, and are not reliable sources for information about actual production made props. Back in the 90s and early 2000s when MR and other companies were making replicas of the ESB hilt, a chap named Shane Johnson wrote a book about the props titled "Star Wars Technical Journal". Because there were no high resolution photos of the props at that time, Shane looked at the low resolution images available at the time and thought he saw rivets in the grips and so, in the diagrams of his book, he drew rivets. Replica makers such as MR used his book as a source, and for years the notion that rivets were used in the grips was common. It wasn't until very recently that high resolution photos and new material has come out, and it's very easy to tell now that screws were 100% used. There is a not a single proven production used prop and/or photo that shows rivets. It simply just wasn't a thing in any of the hilts made for the film.
2: "I can't say much without physically looking at this and the movie side by side." Well here's your side by side: imgur.com/a/brgCPdb
As you can clearly see, the kobold on the replica (left) is much shorter than the kobold on the real production used hilt on the right. You can also tell the one in the video has a replica kobold because on a real kobold there is a T shaped cutout that can be seen from the ends. ( imgur.com/a/nEWjV5I ) This is not present on the Ripleys hilt. Replica kobolds were not made back in the late 70s when this movie was being filmed. This was made well after the fact.
3. I already argued this above, but for the sake of reiteration - The grips were T tracks, not windshield wipers. I've interviewed Roger Christian and asked him about this very same hilt when it has first surfaced. I asked him if any T tracks he used were brown and then painted black after the fact and he said they were all black from the start. The set had rolls of them throughout all 3 movies, so why would they have to make resin casts of them as you claim?
4. The button is SCREWED in. Not glued. It does not come out easily. Also, have you ever tried to remove a clamp card from a locked Graflex clamp? It's not easy. They don't just fall out.
5. I talk to Roger Christian quite frequently. I've interviewed him on multiple occasions and I'm working with him now to make a run of replicas. He was the set decorator only on A New Hope, but left for Empire Strikes Back. Like you said, there were many hilts made for each movie, but not a single piece of photographic evidence proves that this one is real.
With all due respect Warren, I am an expert. I've been key in discovering many previously unknown details about this very prop. I've spent years studying every detail of it, looking over photographs and interviewing key members of the production team of the Star Wars movies for this reason exactly - to know what's real and what's not, and to create the most accurate replicas possible. This Ripleys hilt has been proven fake by MANY people in the community.
I certainly implore you to do your own research though. If you want to learn more about the Graflex props in general, please come join us in the Facebook Group "Graflex Addicts Support Group". That's the number one source to talk about and learn more about these iconic props. Also, the RPF has many threads to read through if you want to learn more. I also HIGHLY suggest the Lightsaber Bible, written by my good friend Seth Sherwood - it details the FACTS about every lightsaber hilt. It's available for free at: wannawanga.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/SWLB_May_2019.pdf
@@warrenrhinerson6373 Also, check out page 85 of the Lightsaber Bible for more information on the rivet vs screws debate.
Lol I seen this replica in person at Ripley’s that very weekend in Niagara Falls and I laughed, any prop enthusiast who knows anything about Star Wars knows this was not used onscreen!
This is hilarious, the lightsaber sold for 400k when you can get that exact lightsaber from a replica maker for 600.
Yeah but the replica wasn’t in the actual movie though
PhoenixVG this wasn't either
@@DVDRAR it was screen used tho what?
@@PDog725 it wasn’t
@@PDog725 just bc it was brought on set doesn’t mean it was actually used in the movie
Lol that isn’t the original lightsaber
How can you tell? Unfortunately the design for the prop changed in every movie it appeared
Warren Rhinerson there were screws in the grips instead of rivets, two buttons instead of just one, tape across the clamp, and a card held in the clamp
its the original one.. the desing was use in the ep 5 comic .. when luke lost his lightsaber at the trash .. idk wht it is .. but the ugnut
Use the saber and its a same desings like this the clamp is Backwards.. and thats the original.. Concept.. yes its not the original.. its just a concept ... for the saber.. then the prop teams mod it and change the clamp so it can get better use . and But the card on the clamp for future look
. and you can look at google the original saber
its esb
It is one of the original props made for the movie
If it somehow is the original, someone changed it. The front of the saber is supposed to have a red button housing just like it does on the back. This one has the glass eye on the front which would be accurate to Ep.4 or Ep.7., but not Ep.5.
Your absolutely RIGHT!!!
When a fake replica costs more than my house
HIS GLOVE HAS A HOLE IN IT!!!!
For one thing this is the new hope version not the empire strikes back look at the glass button on the front and the activation box is on the right side not the left
MaizePlains 7525 the new hope one doesn’t have rivets holding the rubber grips down
@@ChampaRealLordChampa I understand and that's why I'm pretty sure that this is a fake the esb one had a red button instead of a glass eye and like I said before the activation box is on the wrong side and the esb saber didnt have a bubble strip it had a sort of circuit board thing
they should make a Ham solo pizza with a side of chewie (gum)
"on set Lightsaber" = unused prop. 470k for something you could build for 400.00
just buy graflex flash and add grib you have genuine "could be the one they used" lol
When she picks up a half million dollar saber and then starts playing around with it FACEPALM.
It's not an original
What else are you supposed to do? lol
T...that's the point of a lightsaber...wtf are you on about
That is not screen used or original in any capacity. I am 10000% positive. The complete incorrect shape of the t tracks is a dead give away and the fact that Roger had no involvement with ESB.
That's not an original. I'm afraid that's a replica.
Nedaj Ayaj how would you know?
I gave a gra-flex flash, the item the first lightsaber was developed from....
She looks like aunt May
Does this guy know anything?
Who's your profile picture I forgot his name
It's not the original lightsaber, and I don't think that those 2 know what they're talking about.
They're both clueless Delta Bravos
400k for a replica....hehehehe. you have to sell your to actually spent 400k on a replica. even though i love star wars so much, there's no way in hell i would spent 400k.
I have a light sabor very old with two autographs Hamill and powers. With movie quotes. Can you help me she'd some light on it? Was given to me after a movie prop maker passed away....
I own an original lightsaber from first trillogy. Mine is unique inthat it was used when they jousted ( used wood dowels with reflective tape) which were animated in post production. Any buyers?
Why do news anchors have to be so cringe?
All bollocks really
is somebody can write the price of saber cause I m french and I dont understand welll what price he give . Thanks cause it is big FAKE! by this stupidS people tvshopping
Could it be that they don't want to bring out the real one because of possible damage to a half a million dollar piece, so they brought out a replica to make the show.
All rubbish really