Thank you for your time and effort into a wonderful review! I appreciate the little things you go over in what was used and how things looked in the past.
Thanks for another great Video Proteque ! I enjoyed the fact that you took the time from installation to desktop, and then usable apps. I also liked that you took your time with this video, even if it was a general overview of AmiKit running on a Raspberry Pi 5. It didn't feel rushed at all. I'm very tempted to try this myself ! I have a few older Raspberry Pi's kicking around. However ATM I only have x1 Raspberry Pi 4 (4 GB) version. Have you tried AmiKit on a Raspberry Pi 4 ? If so, what was the experience like ? Was it usable ? Slow ? Or worked well enough ? If you don't mind, can I offer a few ideas or suggestions ? I'd be interested to see some of the following - 1. You showing some more in-depth guides on using the various Amiga apps on this device, what you like / don't like and why. 1.2. How would you / have you set up this as your daily driver Amiga ? 1.3. What apps are essential for you, to use on this Amiga device ? (and why) ? 2. You have quite a few Amiga computers in your studio, do you have a spare A1200 that you may be able use for a tower project ? Whereby you take an A1200, place it in either a period correct Amiga tower case. Or a modern replacement tower case that could house an A1200. Then upgrade the system to make your "Dream Amiga". This upgrade could be stuff like a SD card / CF card HDD, a CD-ROM drive, a modern accelerator (TF (Terrible Fire) or Pi Storm) and how it compares to a fast PC with emulating the equivalent spec. Which is nicer to use on a daily basis ? I hope this message doesn't come across as demanding ? It's certainly not my intention. I'm just sharing some ideas, that's all. Anyway, looking forward to your next video. Take it easy. Cheers !
Thank you. glad you enjoyed the video. I haven't had a chance to test amikit on the pi4 yet. I did test pimiga on it though, and have tested my own setup on it. I think a lot of people are happy with the pi4/400. But for me the emulation is "allmost good". I sometimes run into glitches I don't have on the real Amiga and that ruins it for me. But I also know a lot of people think it works great. The pi5 however is a lot better, and that makes me think it is simply the lack of cpu power that causes the pi4 to struggle at those times. I liked your ideas. Using the system for showcasing programs will be one of the usecases I have for it indeed. A "perfect amigasetup for me" with only the stuff I actually need would maybe be a fun video to make. From zero to hero with all the setup? (would be a long one/multipart one. hehe) Regarding my A1200 it is sadly lost in the mail! I needed help fixing it and it is lost :( So right now I don't own any A1200. only the case. Quite a sad story really. Hopefully I will get around to get myself an A1200 again at some point. So right now I use the A500 with pistorm mostly. Cheers! have a good one!
@@proteque Yeah, I remember you mentioning that, in one of your other videos that the post office / mail guys lost your A1200 motherboard ! Sorry to hear that. It's a Sh**ty situation, to have lost a beloved computer. I was hoping that you had more than one A1200 lying around for you to use for your many projects. Like you say - I'm sure that you'll get yourself another A1200 in the future. Although you can't beat the real thing (genuine Amiga hardware). I still think that emulation is a very viable way of using or re-visiting Amiga's and their software. I do use PiMiga on my Raspberry Pi 4, and it's great. I get the odd issue or crash, but nothing too bad at all. TBH I mainly use it for playing old retro Amiga games. I don't do much in the way of creativity / productivity with it yet. My main Amiga set-up is via FS-UAE, on my Linux box. I love the fact with emulation that you can create almost any Amiga imaginable, and then with just a few clicks you have any Amiga config. It's very accessible. I'm currently going through a Worms TDC binge, and trying my hand at creating some custom levels in GrafX2 / DPaint. It's hard going, as my "art skillz" are mediocre at best - LOL. Glad to hear that you liked some of my ideas. I reckon that we'd all like to see (more than a few) vids of you showcasing the many apps that you use on your Amiga set-up / workflow. Keep up the great work.
You are not wrong! The translation would be more correct as "do you know Norwegian"? Snakker du norsk would be more correct translated into what amitranslate returned. But in daily speak I would just say "kan du norsk?" and not "snakker du norsk?".
Fantastic video! Thank you! I think this is exactly what I've been looking for, lately I've been looking at the A500 mini, A600 GS and some sort of Raspberry Pi setup for a good Amiga desktop environment, I'm not too bothered about games. I grew up using an A500 then to an A1200 (regret selling that, omg). I've always loved using DPaint and other packages which I still own. I've been using Amiga Forever for a long time but I'd love to have a separate system dedicated to Amiga. The problem I have is I don't have any technical abilities whatsoever! Would this direction you have in your video still be a good way to go? I'd really appreciate some advice from you or anybody here tbh. Again, thank you so much for the video!
The documentation was very clear imho. And if you own amigaforever then this setup can use that iso as well. And for writing the image to a disk, balenaetcher is easy to use. The download folder of the linux setup is available inside the Amiga setup. So not hard to get whdload games etc in there either. However, it is a step up from the mini. (At the moment I would not use the A600gs for a good amiga desktop sadly). Have fun :)
I have a Pi 5, it is okay… the 16GB RAM version of the Pi 5 is coming out soon as I understand it, I should have waited. I’d like a Pi 5 in the Pi 400 form factor!
They are there. But one can off course not use them or uninstall them. They are free to use nomatter what. And I agree. I am slowly starting to hatr AI with a passion as well. But hope that don't take away for you how great the distro is. And tbh, thos ai apps are impressive stuff on the Amiga.
@@proteque True, it's just that I flat out only use Windows 10 for recording music, and even that has dumb Copilot baked in now. Probably will swap out with Windows 7 lolll. Yeah it looks neat. Annoying how it doesn't come preconfigured since I prefer Pimiga 4 to this. However in a productivity standpoint with an old compute, it would be pretty awesome to use. Good to know you can uninstall them though.
The irony that the installation desktop is actually really really nice in itself (but you can't use it) and yet actual AmiKit hasn't changed all that much since version 7 (free!) Also, when I saw SnoopDos that blew my mind because that's been a dream of mine for a long time. A mostly pointless, passing interest what if dream but something I've always wanted to see and to think it's been around on Amiga for years. I had no idea!
Would be nice to see the performance when running Scenerey animator/fractal generation/ raytracing in Real 3d / Lightwave 3D etc. Anything "Heavy" on this emulation.
I just tested myself and compared with my n100 minicomputer. And yes indeed. the RPI5 crushes it for this use. I am using another ARM based computer as my daily driver. And in emulation that is extremly good as well. I am not really sure why the ARM computers are so good at emulation of the Amiga.
@@proteque I think it's a problem of emulation code for the 68k FPU... I don't think it's because ARM are RISC and x86 are CISC and bad for emulating an other CISC. x86 have very big and faster FPU than little ARM. Something is not logic.
This is and A500 keyboard with new keycaps from a1200.net, and a aluminium case made by checkmate. It is running an arduino as keyboard controller. There are some details in the a600gs video if interested.
Its seems like AmiKit is the go to distro if you like Dopus Megellan desktop and PiMiga is the distro to go with if you prefer Scalos? There isn’t much online comparing and contrasting the two workbench replacements. Both look like they support higher resolutions and docks 🤷♂️
Thats a good point. The main thing I love with opus magellan vs scalos is the doubleclick anywhere on the desktop to open the filehandler. Besides from that ScalOS and a pimped up Workbench are great as well. Just a matter of taste really.
What about Games? Is iGame/iDemo available? What about WHDLoad Games, can we only install them manually? I come from the "unlicensed" OS and just ask for a friend. 😅 What version of AmiBerry are they using?
You can probably figure out the folders it is expecting the games to be in and dump them from your Pimiga 4 install. That's what I would do. Looks like it has iGame built in as well.
Ah yes. Exactly what samuel said. The folder structures for whdgames are ready for drop in games. And igame is installed and ready. I should have mentioned that, but games is not that high on my list. Forgot the check the amiberry version. Will do and get back to you about that in a few days!
There is soo many good reasons to pay for Amikit, updater, rabbit hole, its fast etc but what stops me is all the pre-installed apps. Last time I looked there was no 'lite' option. Can you please show us Caffeine?
Caffeine is even more loaded. I can make a video about it. Good idea. But in the meen time the video about my "dream amiga" has it running. Also the plipbox video.
12:47 Ok I understand why you use Grafx2 because it's work in RTG and on the workbench, not Deluxe Paint. I learn pixel Art with Deluxe Paint in 1989 it's my favorite painter, I also like Personal Paint, and on Windows I recommend you "Pro Motion NG". It as all the shortcut of Deluxe Paint, and all the fonctions like it. It's like a modern Deluxe Paint, same Brush system, etc... Also I try Asperite, but I realy realy don't like it, so I prefer to use Grafx2. Sorry for my English i'm french. Bye.
I think my main reason for using Grafx2 is that it is multiplatform so I have it on all my computers. Very handy. And then my gfx library in sync between them. I did try pro motion a bit in wine for a while but that kind of software is a bit horrible to use in wine. And I don't have any windows computer so it was not the right program for me. But indeed a very good pixeler. Maybe the best I have seen tbh. (btw. no problems with your english. no reason to say sorry. I am norwegian so it is not my native language either.) cheers!
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As always, I love the video. Your videos are so soothing. Perfect content to unwind to. Thank you for everything that you do.
Thank you so much. Nice words to read that makes me a happy man. Cheers :)
Thank you for the review! 🙏
My pleasure! This will be my goto desktop from now on.
Thank you for your time and effort into a wonderful review! I appreciate the little things you go over in what was used and how things looked in the past.
AmiKit is one of those things that I have continued to use. Pretty rock solid on the Pi5 with a proper SSD at least!
Thanks for showing this off, it’s not something I would set aside time for, but it’s fun to see what’s going on in Amigaland! ❤
@@PeranMe glad you liked watching it. :)
Thanks for another great Video Proteque !
I enjoyed the fact that you took the time from installation to desktop, and
then usable apps.
I also liked that you took your time with this video, even if it was a general
overview of AmiKit running on a Raspberry Pi 5. It didn't feel rushed at all.
I'm very tempted to try this myself !
I have a few older Raspberry Pi's kicking around. However ATM I only have x1
Raspberry Pi 4 (4 GB) version.
Have you tried AmiKit on a Raspberry Pi 4 ?
If so, what was the experience like ?
Was it usable ? Slow ? Or worked well enough ?
If you don't mind, can I offer a few ideas or suggestions ?
I'd be interested to see some of the following -
1. You showing some more in-depth guides on using the various Amiga apps
on this device, what you like / don't like and why.
1.2. How would you / have you set up this as your daily driver Amiga ?
1.3. What apps are essential for you, to use on this Amiga device ?
(and why) ?
2. You have quite a few Amiga computers in your studio, do you have a spare
A1200 that you may be able use for a tower project ?
Whereby you take an A1200, place it in either a period correct Amiga tower
case. Or a modern replacement tower case that could house an A1200.
Then upgrade the system to make your "Dream Amiga".
This upgrade could be stuff like a SD card / CF card HDD,
a CD-ROM drive, a modern accelerator (TF (Terrible Fire) or Pi Storm)
and how it compares to a fast PC with emulating the equivalent spec.
Which is nicer to use on a daily basis ?
I hope this message doesn't come across as demanding ?
It's certainly not my intention.
I'm just sharing some ideas, that's all.
Anyway, looking forward to your next video.
Take it easy.
Cheers !
Thank you. glad you enjoyed the video. I haven't had a chance to test amikit on the pi4 yet. I did test pimiga on it though, and have tested my own setup on it. I think a lot of people are happy with the pi4/400. But for me the emulation is "allmost good". I sometimes run into glitches I don't have on the real Amiga and that ruins it for me. But I also know a lot of people think it works great. The pi5 however is a lot better, and that makes me think it is simply the lack of cpu power that causes the pi4 to struggle at those times.
I liked your ideas. Using the system for showcasing programs will be one of the usecases I have for it indeed.
A "perfect amigasetup for me" with only the stuff I actually need would maybe be a fun video to make. From zero to hero with all the setup? (would be a long one/multipart one. hehe)
Regarding my A1200 it is sadly lost in the mail! I needed help fixing it and it is lost :( So right now I don't own any A1200. only the case. Quite a sad story really. Hopefully I will get around to get myself an A1200 again at some point. So right now I use the A500 with pistorm mostly.
Cheers! have a good one!
@@proteque
Yeah, I remember you mentioning that, in one of your other videos
that the post office / mail guys lost your A1200 motherboard !
Sorry to hear that. It's a Sh**ty situation, to have lost a beloved computer.
I was hoping that you had more than one A1200 lying around for you to use for
your many projects. Like you say - I'm sure that you'll get yourself another
A1200 in the future.
Although you can't beat the real thing (genuine Amiga hardware).
I still think that emulation is a very viable way of using or re-visiting
Amiga's and their software.
I do use PiMiga on my Raspberry Pi 4, and it's great.
I get the odd issue or crash, but nothing too bad at all.
TBH I mainly use it for playing old retro Amiga games.
I don't do much in the way of creativity / productivity with it yet.
My main Amiga set-up is via FS-UAE, on my Linux box.
I love the fact with emulation that you can create almost any Amiga imaginable,
and then with just a few clicks you have any Amiga config.
It's very accessible.
I'm currently going through a Worms TDC binge, and trying my hand at creating
some custom levels in GrafX2 / DPaint.
It's hard going, as my "art skillz" are mediocre at best - LOL.
Glad to hear that you liked some of my ideas.
I reckon that we'd all like to see (more than a few) vids of you showcasing
the many apps that you use on your Amiga set-up / workflow.
Keep up the great work.
I thought it would have been "Snakker du norsk?". I didn't know that shortcut. Tusen takk!
You are not wrong! The translation would be more correct as "do you know Norwegian"? Snakker du norsk would be more correct translated into what amitranslate returned. But in daily speak I would just say "kan du norsk?" and not "snakker du norsk?".
@@proteque Thanks for anything that helps me sound like a local! 😁
Fantastic video! Thank you! I think this is exactly what I've been looking for, lately I've been looking at the A500 mini, A600 GS and some sort of Raspberry Pi setup for a good Amiga desktop environment, I'm not too bothered about games. I grew up using an A500 then to an A1200 (regret selling that, omg). I've always loved using DPaint and other packages which I still own. I've been using Amiga Forever for a long time but I'd love to have a separate system dedicated to Amiga. The problem I have is I don't have any technical abilities whatsoever! Would this direction you have in your video still be a good way to go? I'd really appreciate some advice from you or anybody here tbh. Again, thank you so much for the video!
The documentation was very clear imho. And if you own amigaforever then this setup can use that iso as well. And for writing the image to a disk, balenaetcher is easy to use. The download folder of the linux setup is available inside the Amiga setup. So not hard to get whdload games etc in there either. However, it is a step up from the mini. (At the moment I would not use the A600gs for a good amiga desktop sadly).
Have fun :)
@@proteque Thank you so much for the reply! Very much appreciated!
I have a Pi 5, it is okay… the 16GB RAM version of the Pi 5 is coming out soon as I understand it, I should have waited. I’d like a Pi 5 in the Pi 400 form factor!
Yes. I am hoping for one of those as well. The pi400 is great, if I ignore it is too slow to enjoy for me.
@@proteque exactly! The Pi 400 is too slow but with a Pi 5 inside it would be great
Interesting, looks way better than the AmigaOne you got recently lol.
I wonder if those AI apps are able to be opt out.
They are there. But one can off course not use them or uninstall them. They are free to use nomatter what. And I agree. I am slowly starting to hatr AI with a passion as well. But hope that don't take away for you how great the distro is. And tbh, thos ai apps are impressive stuff on the Amiga.
@@proteque True, it's just that I flat out only use Windows 10 for recording music, and even that has dumb Copilot baked in now. Probably will swap out with Windows 7 lolll.
Yeah it looks neat. Annoying how it doesn't come preconfigured since I prefer Pimiga 4 to this.
However in a productivity standpoint with an old compute, it would be pretty awesome to use.
Good to know you can uninstall them though.
It's nice because it's the true Amiga OS ROM and not AROS. Thanks for this review !
tusen hjertelig takk for videoen! Jeg elskerrrrrr AmiKit!!
Enig. Det er supert :)
The irony that the installation desktop is actually really really nice in itself (but you can't use it) and yet actual AmiKit hasn't changed all that much since version 7 (free!)
Also, when I saw SnoopDos that blew my mind because that's been a dream of mine for a long time. A mostly pointless, passing interest what if dream but something I've always wanted to see and to think it's been around on Amiga for years. I had no idea!
Snoopdos is fantastic. Once used to it, life without it is a bit annoying! Did you plan it for modern oses?
Would be nice to see the performance when running Scenerey animator/fractal generation/ raytracing in Real 3d / Lightwave 3D etc.
Anything "Heavy" on this emulation.
Yes. I agree. Maybe a raytracing of the same picture on various computers would be a good test. I only own Cinnema 4d though.
AmiKit is the best way to experience Amiga. Been saying this for years and stand by that.
It really is!
Noice!
@@galacticusX in the audio?
10:02 Hello, why FPU emulation is so high ??? It's more than with the PC x86 N100 and my PC on WinUAE. I don't understand.
I just tested myself and compared with my n100 minicomputer. And yes indeed. the RPI5 crushes it for this use. I am using another ARM based computer as my daily driver. And in emulation that is extremly good as well. I am not really sure why the ARM computers are so good at emulation of the Amiga.
@@proteque I think it's a problem of emulation code for the 68k FPU... I don't think it's because ARM are RISC and x86 are CISC and bad for emulating an other CISC. x86 have very big and faster FPU than little ARM. Something is not logic.
What kind of keyboard is that? :-)
This is and A500 keyboard with new keycaps from a1200.net, and a aluminium case made by checkmate. It is running an arduino as keyboard controller. There are some details in the a600gs video if interested.
Is there a video (can't find it) of making that "pimped A500 in a desktop"???
@@methanoidthere is. Here you go: ruclips.net/video/xNOW2pnkFVI/видео.html
@@methanoid hopefully yt did show you the answer. It sometimes don't because of link in it.
My question is; What enulation engine is it using under the hood??? I would hope not WinUAE under Wine emulating a x86... that would be slow.
Yes. They used to do this on Linux x86 before. But now it is amiberry on all Linux versions of amikit, and is running very smooth
Its seems like AmiKit is the go to distro if you like Dopus Megellan desktop and PiMiga is the distro to go with if you prefer Scalos?
There isn’t much online comparing and contrasting the two workbench replacements. Both look like they support higher resolutions and docks 🤷♂️
Thats a good point. The main thing I love with opus magellan vs scalos is the doubleclick anywhere on the desktop to open the filehandler. Besides from that ScalOS and a pimped up Workbench are great as well. Just a matter of taste really.
Good info. Thanks!
What about Games? Is iGame/iDemo available? What about WHDLoad Games, can we only install them manually? I come from the "unlicensed" OS and just ask for a friend. 😅
What version of AmiBerry are they using?
You can probably figure out the folders it is expecting the games to be in and dump them from your Pimiga 4 install. That's what I would do.
Looks like it has iGame built in as well.
Ah yes. Exactly what samuel said. The folder structures for whdgames are ready for drop in games. And igame is installed and ready. I should have mentioned that, but games is not that high on my list.
Forgot the check the amiberry version. Will do and get back to you about that in a few days!
There is soo many good reasons to pay for Amikit, updater, rabbit hole, its fast etc but what stops me is all the pre-installed apps. Last time I looked there was no 'lite' option. Can you please show us Caffeine?
Caffeine is even more loaded. I can make a video about it. Good idea. But in the meen time the video about my "dream amiga" has it running. Also the plipbox video.
Great review. I have to agree, Amikit is the best modern Amiga experience and the support has been brilliant when there were any issues.
@@proteque Thank you!
12:47 Ok I understand why you use Grafx2 because it's work in RTG and on the workbench, not Deluxe Paint. I learn pixel Art with Deluxe Paint in 1989 it's my favorite painter, I also like Personal Paint, and on Windows I recommend you "Pro Motion NG". It as all the shortcut of Deluxe Paint, and all the fonctions like it. It's like a modern Deluxe Paint, same Brush system, etc... Also I try Asperite, but I realy realy don't like it, so I prefer to use Grafx2. Sorry for my English i'm french. Bye.
I think my main reason for using Grafx2 is that it is multiplatform so I have it on all my computers. Very handy. And then my gfx library in sync between them.
I did try pro motion a bit in wine for a while but that kind of software is a bit horrible to use in wine. And I don't have any windows computer so it was not the right program for me. But indeed a very good pixeler. Maybe the best I have seen tbh.
(btw. no problems with your english. no reason to say sorry. I am norwegian so it is not my native language either.)
cheers!
@@proteque Thank you for your kindness, I am in addition dyslexic so writing is even more difficult and tiring to me.