everything Ger said is 100% correct. it’s shades of last season all over again. “being the better team” means ish if you dont get the points to win. Were Leeds better than Leicester because they did the double on them? Were they better than Ipswich? No, they weren’t because they accumulated less points. And even if you think they were better, congratulations then? In a boxing match you dont win for throwing more punches, you win for knocking your opponent out. Farke seems to take pride in “fighting a good fight” but the team with the knockout punch never seems to be Leeds. The concern is not where we are in the table, it’s how similar this is to last season. This team is far talented enough to be promoted, without a doubt. It just seems like yet again in defining moments of close games Leeds don’t win. All last season we said “Ipswich won’t have the will to do it all season” but they did. Now we will say the same for sunderland, sheffield etc. Will they? Who knows. But I’m watching a manager fail to take accountability for the same shortcomings he has last season and that is most worrisome. There is an odd entitlement to promotion (and apparently we’re destined to get 90 points again and other teams can’t?) fans have now; as if “we will be there and it will all work out because we’re Leeds.” That ideaology didn’t hold water in the relegation scrap 2 years ago and it didn’t hold in the charge last season. We have all the chance in the world to go up, but realizing that ability is far from a guarentee. MOT
Well done Ger, you're dealing with doylems. Be thankful you weren't on the show last night. Everyone said they knew how Millwall would play but Farke didn't!?
I think it's safe to say Ger voiced my exact opinion on our situation this season... Unfortunately it feels like you can't feel that way without being stamped as 'negative' or 'Farke out'.... We've got 'the best manager in the league' with the 'best squad in the league' and the excuses are far too loud.. What confuses me, is it's often the people who make the claim of 'best in the league' etc are the same people coming with excuses for why we aren't 'front and centre' yet... Ger proving you can be concerned about our underachieving so far this season WITHOUT being 'Farke out'.... Also, big respect for getting so riled up in this debate and keeping it professional boys! Great viewing!
It's obvious to me that we are doing the same things as last year nothing has changed. Set pieces , no goals from midfield, inconsistent performance, substitutes no change.
Ger is spot on, Joe you can't just be blinded to farke he's nowhere near perfect,most sensible fans don't want farke sacked,but you continuously defend anything against farke,he's so frustrating farke by not learning and ever adapting!!
Nice to actually finally see a counter point. Bin Connor off and have Ger do it instead. Atleast Ger has the balls to say what he thinks unlike Connor. Great show lads! Bring the fir fir fir fire!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥
I totally agree with Ger, the best team in the league will be the one who collects the most points, not the ones with the flashiest kit and best haircuts and most possession
I agree with a lot of what Ger has said. Doesn’t seem to be enough/any learning from last season. We are doing OK at the moment but only OK - I expected more. I also agree with the boring football - we look so much better when we play it quickly - want Farke and the players to be able to up the tempo when needed
until this Team develops some level of Consistency, the word "Promotion" shouldn't be mentioned, its one thing to say "we're the best team in the League" its another thing to go out and Prove It
This was an excellent debate, thoroughly enjoyed it. Joe has become a superb Leeds content creator host, dropping questions and counterpoints like a seasoned interviewer. Ger is always great and good value, but took it a little too personally at times. Married life stress perhaps. Its Shame Mes dropped the ball at Sunderland We would be 1 point of top. On reflection a fair start with room for improvement. MOT 💙💛
The sub situation is exactly the same as last year. Ipswich used this perfectly but us it seems to be hit and hope. We need to get up but as to taking us forward Farke just isn’t that person to lead us
Great pod and great convo, I think Joes passion gets mis understood as being argumentative at times, Ger is bang in the money with the point of Excuses.. we all said we didn’t want any and have a scroll of them already.. need to find a plan B that works quickly.
We would be the best team in the league if we could finish our chances. Against Millwall, we had 75% possession and had 14 shots on goal. We scored none. Millwall had one chance and scored. Stats like that cost us promotion last season and I fear it will do the same this season too.
The thing is if we carry on being the best team and still losing these sort of games we’ll finish 3rd again. Seeing some of last seasons failings creeping into our games. Only currently averaging 1.85 points per game which is 85 points which wouldn’t have been a top 2 finish in the last 4 championship seasons.
Bielsa quote “I am certain that football is in a process of decline. More and more people are watching this sport, but it is becoming less and less attractive. We do not favour what made it the best sport in the world." This is why we love the man and dislike Farke, it is simple we watch football for entertainment, if it is just about results we should just check the score at full time
There is loads of excuses coming out now afer everyone said after the playoffs they didnt wanna hear them again, ger is spot on, we should be concerned, stop with the excuses!!!! I hate this "we played better than them" "we are the best team in the league" it doesnt matter, points do!!!!
The international break excuse is tiring. These are professionals. We are also so much better as a squad compared to the majority of this decision. There is always excuses to be made. We don't do well in London, we don't do well midweek, we don't do well after an international break. That's a lot of point dropped in a season.
People accept mediocrity football from Leeds. All these draws/losses may come back to bite us. Not Farke out but agree with Ger doubts are creeping in. Same issues occurring
We were best team in league last season in some opinions yet 3 teams went up and we are still in the championship arguing about been the best team 😂. I’m with ger here
I agree on the manager front. I don’t care who does the job as long as they do it well and get the best out of these players. Anything less than that is failure, whoever’s in the role.
If we’re the best team in the league shouldn’t we be running away with it like Ipswich and Leicester last season. I think the issue is with our team we should and need to be doing better.
Regarding Ger’s comment on needing a huge run to make 90 points because last year we needed that and we are only 1 point off last year, is not quite true. We needed a huge run in January and February because we were dog shit in December. If we beat QPR we are on pace for 90. So mathematically we don’t need a huge run, we need to continue to tie away and win at home.
One of the reasons other sides think Leeds will prevail is our generally excellent signings and also presumably they must rate Farkes managerial abilities?
Solution: Do what we should have done last January and get an experienced No.10 and a Striker who will be the new leaders. Until then up to Xmas we are going to see these types of games. When we go up get a new manager
Joe, all through preseason you said there will be no excuses this season and yet when Ger has just listed the list of Daniel Farke's excuses you've defended every one of them. So which one is it? 😂 Also your maths are terrible! If our away from is currently 10 points. We would only be on 12, had we have beaten Sunderland, not 13
Need to stop bigging up Millwall, ect. They are garbage. No excuses for that result. Have always been pro farke, dropped points, Portsmouth, Sunderland Burnley to name a few, I'm worried.
Ger you should be enjoying your honeymoon, not on here arguing with your bit on the side Joe 😂😂 Congrats to you and Jess 🎉 On a Leeds note we can't afford to see the season peter out like last season. ultimately our failure against specific tactics is a carbon copy of last season. On the outsode, looking in it appears like we have learnt from last season not only in dealing with specific styles but also his failure to adjust tactics in game or rotate persnnel based on the opposition. Horses for courses. But the saving grace is the standard isnt as high but we cant risk not doing the business ourselves
No excuses no good playing better and then coming away with no points. Farke must do changes to make a difference why not bring Joseph on earlier I don’t understand managers make changes to make a difference. We have to find ways to win. The best team does this not drop points. ALAW MOT come on win.
I think that Ger misses the fact that 2 thing's can be right at the same time ie on paper Leeds have the best team in this league and Sunderland are at the top of the league.But I suppose ultimately only time will tell if the best team on paper will win the league and therefore be the best team in the league.
I'd play 4-1-4-1 against qpr because 2 dm's are not needed against them at home. Meslier Bogle Rodon Struijk Firpo Tonaka James Aaaronson Gnonto Solomon Piroe
Most balls into box were poor we were hitting mostly high balls into box when they have giant cbs who win headers for fun n as was said most time when we did cross we had 1 man in box.
You can't say that millwall's g oal came from a silly-Free kick when it actually came from the ref giving handball against Struijk when it clearly came off his stomach. The referee was terrible and I can't see how joe thought he had a decent game.
Love Ger - basically telling the happy clappers to wake up. Not many more of these games before he is here with me on the top of the moantain shouting Farke out ❤ Joe, you got more excuses than Democrats. From 30 min to 35 min is downright embarrassing from you.
Millwall play their way because it works for them and we play our way because overall it works for us. Some ridiculous comments about Farke including by some of the podcasters here IMO I for one would accept another 90 point haul this season - can we really see other teams reaching this .? How can we possibly not have been dominant against ( a very limited Plymouth) - no shots on target and xG of 0.00!! Far too little credit being given here
Who’s knows.. sheff u will get 90 points I reckon or very close Sunderland not sure but can only judge on what we’ve seen and there currently still top of the league.
Joes right we have the best team in the league ..but ger is saying we habent been the best team so far. Dofferent argument. On form. Playing well we have the best team in the league. But so far othwr teams have been better overall. Simple
WILLY GNONTO'S BECOME A VERY "AVERAGE" PLAYER in RECENT GAMES ! ! He's WAY - OFF being the "BEST IN THE LEAGUE ! !" - I DON'T know WOT the ANSWER is to IMPROVE HIM THO'??
Complaining about performances? I think its time to reflect over the situation that everyone can beat anyone in this league. Remember the football being played 10 years ago. That was poor - week in week out.
@Kilgallon1981 The standout one is that he doesn't think Leeds are the best team in the league but then isn't happy with being 3rd. I think a lot of Leeds fans overrate our squad given the quality we've lost but I still think we'll squeeze into top 2 by end of the season
Ger is absolutely bang on , glad there’s finally someone on this match reaction who is talking pure facts .
I totally agree with Ger
Big up Jer calling people out the man says it how it is
Ger sticking it to the happy clappers on their excuses. love it.
everything Ger said is 100% correct. it’s shades of last season all over again. “being the better team” means ish if you dont get the points to win. Were Leeds better than Leicester because they did the double on them? Were they better than Ipswich? No, they weren’t because they accumulated less points. And even if you think they were better, congratulations then? In a boxing match you dont win for throwing more punches, you win for knocking your opponent out. Farke seems to take pride in “fighting a good fight” but the team with the knockout punch never seems to be Leeds. The concern is not where we are in the table, it’s how similar this is to last season. This team is far talented enough to be promoted, without a doubt. It just seems like yet again in defining moments of close games Leeds don’t win. All last season we said “Ipswich won’t have the will to do it all season” but they did. Now we will say the same for sunderland, sheffield etc. Will they? Who knows. But I’m watching a manager fail to take accountability for the same shortcomings he has last season and that is most worrisome. There is an odd entitlement to promotion (and apparently we’re destined to get 90 points again and other teams can’t?) fans have now; as if “we will be there and it will all work out because we’re Leeds.” That ideaology didn’t hold water in the relegation scrap 2 years ago and it didn’t hold in the charge last season. We have all the chance in the world to go up, but realizing that ability is far from a guarentee. MOT
Ger knows his stuff . Spot on analysis . Great content joe
Joe and Ger both legends and a good debate is always good
Well done Ger, you're dealing with doylems. Be thankful you weren't on the show last night. Everyone said they knew how Millwall would play but Farke didn't!?
I think it's safe to say Ger voiced my exact opinion on our situation this season... Unfortunately it feels like you can't feel that way without being stamped as 'negative' or 'Farke out'.... We've got 'the best manager in the league' with the 'best squad in the league' and the excuses are far too loud.. What confuses me, is it's often the people who make the claim of 'best in the league' etc are the same people coming with excuses for why we aren't 'front and centre' yet... Ger proving you can be concerned about our underachieving so far this season WITHOUT being 'Farke out'.... Also, big respect for getting so riled up in this debate and keeping it professional boys! Great viewing!
Would welcome recognition of the very significant injury impact so far this season
It's obvious to me that we are doing the same things as last year nothing has changed. Set pieces , no goals from midfield, inconsistent performance, substitutes no change.
Ger is spot on, Joe you can't just be blinded to farke he's nowhere near perfect,most sensible fans don't want farke sacked,but you continuously defend anything against farke,he's so frustrating farke by not learning and ever adapting!!
Absolutely love Ger ❤
I completely agree with Ger's view. We should be at the top of the league based on the quality of our team. It is disappointing.
Nice to actually finally see a counter point. Bin Connor off and have Ger do it instead. Atleast Ger has the balls to say what he thinks unlike Connor. Great show lads! Bring the fir fir fir fire!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥
I totally agree with Ger, the best team in the league will be the one who collects the most points, not the ones with the flashiest kit and best haircuts and most possession
Scoreline vs. Performance - one of the biggest discussion points in football. Only one factor matters when trying to win the league.
I agree with Ger
Brilliant debate chaps. Loved it 😁😁
I agree with a lot of what Ger has said. Doesn’t seem to be enough/any learning from last season. We are doing OK at the moment but only OK - I expected more. I also agree with the boring football - we look so much better when we play it quickly - want Farke and the players to be able to up the tempo when needed
Front and centre, no excuses. But all I hear is excuses
until this Team develops some level of Consistency, the word "Promotion" shouldn't be mentioned, its one thing to say "we're the best team in the League" its another thing to go out and Prove It
This was an excellent debate, thoroughly enjoyed it. Joe has become a superb Leeds content creator host, dropping questions and counterpoints like a seasoned interviewer. Ger is always great and good value, but took it a little too personally at times. Married life stress perhaps. Its Shame Mes dropped the ball at Sunderland We would be 1 point of top. On reflection a fair start with room for improvement. MOT 💙💛
The sub situation is exactly the same as last year. Ipswich used this perfectly but us it seems to be hit and hope. We need to get up but as to taking us forward Farke just isn’t that person to lead us
Joe is angry because ger isn't a typical deluded leeds fan
Great pod and great convo, I think Joes passion gets mis understood as being argumentative at times, Ger is bang in the money with the point of Excuses.. we all said we didn’t want any and have a scroll of them already.. need to find a plan B that works quickly.
Congrats ger!
Gers bang on
We would be the best team in the league if we could finish our chances. Against Millwall, we had 75% possession and had 14 shots on goal. We scored none. Millwall had one chance and scored. Stats like that cost us promotion last season and I fear it will do the same this season too.
Sounds like Joe and Ger are playing good cop bad cop!
The thing is if we carry on being the best team and still losing these sort of games we’ll finish 3rd again. Seeing some of last seasons failings creeping into our games. Only currently averaging 1.85 points per game which is 85 points which wouldn’t have been a top 2 finish in the last 4 championship seasons.
Bielsa quote “I am certain that football is in a process of decline. More and more people are watching this sport, but it is becoming less and less attractive. We do not favour what made it the best sport in the world." This is why we love the man and dislike Farke, it is simple we watch football for entertainment, if it is just about results we should just check the score at full time
Thank the lord for Ger
There is loads of excuses coming out now afer everyone said after the playoffs they didnt wanna hear them again, ger is spot on, we should be concerned, stop with the excuses!!!!
I hate this "we played better than them" "we are the best team in the league" it doesnt matter, points do!!!!
Looks like Ger after marriage,has lost his mind 😂
The international break excuse is tiring. These are professionals. We are also so much better as a squad compared to the majority of this decision. There is always excuses to be made. We don't do well in London, we don't do well midweek, we don't do well after an international break. That's a lot of point dropped in a season.
Awesome show chaps!
Much appreciated!
People accept mediocrity football from Leeds. All these draws/losses may come back to bite us. Not Farke out but agree with Ger doubts are creeping in. Same issues occurring
We were best team in league last season in some opinions yet 3 teams went up and we are still in the championship arguing about been the best team 😂. I’m with ger here
I agree on the manager front. I don’t care who does the job as long as they do it well and get the best out of these players. Anything less than that is failure, whoever’s in the role.
2 points off top 2 but if sheff u hadn’t had a point deduction that would be 4 points. We are right up there but we need to kick on now
If your top of the table for 6 games. Then for them 6 games you have been the best team. Thsts why you are top.
Really like this new guy think his name Mattt
Had to laugh at Mat, he said he’s a massive fan on Farke, the only thing he doesn’t like is Farke Team selection, Tactics & substitution 😂😂…
If we’re the best team in the league shouldn’t we be running away with it like Ipswich and Leicester last season. I think the issue is with our team we should and need to be doing better.
Interesting stat - according to Sky this evening - Burnley have scored a solitary goal from a corner this season - think we’ve twice this
Regarding Ger’s comment on needing a huge run to make 90 points because last year we needed that and we are only 1 point off last year, is not quite true. We needed a huge run in January and February because we were dog shit in December.
If we beat QPR we are on pace for 90. So mathematically we don’t need a huge run, we need to continue to tie away and win at home.
Our inability to convert from set pieces is disturbing. I still think we will go up with Sheffield Utd.
One of the reasons other sides think Leeds will prevail is our generally excellent signings and also presumably they must rate Farkes managerial abilities?
Joe the excuses you are listing is insane. You said no excuses and then you bring out 'difficulty of fixtures'. Come on mate.
Goal from outside the box 5 days ago v Plymouth by DJ
Solution: Do what we should have done last January and get an experienced No.10 and a Striker who will be the new leaders. Until then up to Xmas we are going to see these types of games. When we go up get a new manager
Well that escalated quickly. 😂 Good points though.
Joe, all through preseason you said there will be no excuses this season and yet when Ger has just listed the list of Daniel Farke's excuses you've defended every one of them. So which one is it? 😂
Also your maths are terrible! If our away from is currently 10 points. We would only be on 12, had we have beaten Sunderland, not 13
Need to stop bigging up Millwall, ect. They are garbage. No excuses for that result. Have always been pro farke, dropped points, Portsmouth, Sunderland Burnley to name a few, I'm worried.
Ger you should be enjoying your honeymoon, not on here arguing with your bit on the side Joe 😂😂 Congrats to you and Jess 🎉
On a Leeds note we can't afford to see the season peter out like last season. ultimately our failure against specific tactics is a carbon copy of last season. On the outsode, looking in it appears like we have learnt from last season not only in dealing with specific styles but also his failure to adjust tactics in game or rotate persnnel based on the opposition. Horses for courses. But the saving grace is the standard isnt as high but we cant risk not doing the business ourselves
No excuses no good playing better and then coming away with no points. Farke must do changes to make a difference why not bring Joseph on earlier I don’t understand managers make changes to make a difference. We have to find ways to win. The best team does this not drop points. ALAW MOT come on win.
I think that Ger misses the fact that 2 thing's can be right at the same time ie on paper Leeds have the best team in this league and Sunderland are at the top of the league.But I suppose ultimately only time will tell if the best team on paper will win the league and therefore be the best team in the league.
Gers sounding like Roy Keane
Great debate. Player 4 player we are a better team. Results wise we are not at the moment. I have to believe we will get promoted this year.
Did you know Burnely lost to Millwall because the linesman got injured according to Scott Parker - possibly an excuse
Would like to think that ALL our players would like to play in PL - not just Willy
Doenst mean DF kit tomorrow he is here til end season - but why can’t we state the obvious to what we see.
I'd play 4-1-4-1 against qpr because 2 dm's are not needed against them at home.
Meslier
Bogle Rodon Struijk Firpo
Tonaka
James Aaaronson Gnonto Solomon
Piroe
Most balls into box were poor we were hitting mostly high balls into box when they have giant cbs who win headers for fun n as was said most time when we did cross we had 1 man in box.
And there is no guarantee that other teams eg Sunderland, Burnley and Sheff United won’t also top 90 points! It could happen.
I’d like to see Gnonto back in at 10. Solomon left James right and Joseph up top!
You can't say that millwall's g oal came from a silly-Free kick when it actually came from the ref giving handball against Struijk when it clearly came off his stomach. The referee was terrible and I can't see how joe thought he had a decent game.
Did we know about the injuries we would suffer at the start of the season?
Love Ger - basically telling the happy clappers to wake up. Not many more of these games before he is here with me on the top of the moantain shouting Farke out ❤
Joe, you got more excuses than Democrats. From 30 min to 35 min is downright embarrassing from you.
good points from joe too tbf
Millwall play their way because it works for them and we play our way because overall it works for us. Some ridiculous comments about Farke including by some of the podcasters here IMO I for one would accept another 90 point haul this season - can we really see other teams reaching this .? How can we possibly not have been dominant against ( a very limited Plymouth) - no shots on target and xG of 0.00!! Far too little credit being given here
Who’s knows.. sheff u will get 90 points I reckon or very close Sunderland not sure but can only judge on what we’ve seen and there currently still top of the league.
Joes right we have the best team in the league ..but ger is saying we habent been the best team so far. Dofferent argument. On form. Playing well we have the best team in the league. But so far othwr teams have been better overall. Simple
Good show. Golivogi should of played against Millwall. We will go up
WILLY GNONTO'S BECOME A VERY "AVERAGE" PLAYER in RECENT GAMES ! ! He's WAY - OFF being the "BEST IN THE LEAGUE ! !" - I DON'T know WOT the ANSWER is to IMPROVE HIM THO'??
Who ever is our set piece bloke he wants sacking hate it when we get a corner or free kick absolute waste of time embarrassing mot
Sensible points Locky - though apparently only 3% of corners are scored from in pro game!
Complaining about performances? I think its time to reflect over the situation that everyone can beat anyone in this league.
Remember the football being played 10 years ago. That was poor - week in week out.
Matty and locks looking like kids in their room with mommy and daddy arguing downstairs
Ger is really getting on his high horse and it is painful
How many comments u gonna leave pal 😂😂😂
We have the best team on paper but are we the best team …. Far from it boring side ways football
Big fan of Ger but so many holes and contradictions in his points
Name one.
@Kilgallon1981 The standout one is that he doesn't think Leeds are the best team in the league but then isn't happy with being 3rd. I think a lot of Leeds fans overrate our squad given the quality we've lost but I still think we'll squeeze into top 2 by end of the season
Bamford is ready star I think
I hope that was sarcasm!
I think not
What are you smoking 😂
IMO Ger you are sounding completely unreasonable this evening Ger
Wake up pal, we are not good enough, are you happy with our performance against Millwall, Bristol, Portsmouth, Burnley, Middlesbrough.
he was spot on
He was talking to guys like you - happy clappers 👍
Wind you neck in Ger
You’re boring mate . Wind your comments in .
What a silly silly comment. What did he say that was wrong, come with one thing.