Tank Chats #8 Renault FT-17 | The Tank Museum
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Tank Chats playlist • Tank Chats from The Ta... The eight in a series of short films about some of the vehicles in our collection presented by The Tank Museum's historian David Fletcher MBE.
Conceived by General Jean-Baptiste Estienne and manufactured under the control of the Renault Company this was the world's first mass-produced tank, 3800 being built in all.
They went into action for the first time on 31 May 1918 near Ploissy-Chazelle and proved very successful when they were used in numbers. British forces used a few Renaults as liaison vehicles while the United States Army used them in combat and copied the design.
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"One of them was commanded by a chap called George Patton who probably became more famous during the Second World War. He actually got shot in the backside during the First World War. Still, we've all got to suffer some bits and pieces." The narrator, David Fletcher MBE, is a national treasure.
Samuel Thompson
George Patton would disagree
His bottom was scarred for life. I wonder if it was ever mentioned for the rest of his career..
Patton mentioned it in his memoirs. He led his battalion in the attack on foot! He had to run to each tank, beat on it and direct its movements. No radio. In the process, he was eventually hit in the buttock. The force of it whirled him around and threw him into a shell hole, where he nearly bled to death. He probably deserved the Congressional for that.
Steven Pilling Not according to his own definition of „hero“.
That's gold!!
I laughed & laughed when he said that Patton was shot in the backside!
I was just amazed that the idler was made of wood.
He should voice in Battlefield 1. We have lost objective Butter!
you are so right
i am playing the beta
“Oh, we’ve lost objective B again. Get the damn thing back, please?” XD
A flame trooper kit is available near your location
Years later and that game is still going strong thank goodness
Cute little thing, very well engineered with a nice, clean design. It's neat to think that every modern tank since heralds back to this little duckie.
A tough birdie, even.
I think also that it was so light and simple was the main reason for it's success. Tank technology was very primitive and something simpler is always more reliable and something lighter puts less strain on the components which further improves reliability.
On the battlefield a broken down tank and a knocked out tank is effectively the same thing, it's a tank that can't fight anymore.
It's light weight and simplicity also meant it was much easier to make by lesser skilled people. You didn't have the massive mechanized factories with thousands of skilled workers you had in WW2.
Lower weight also meant less ground pressure and a much easier time recovering the vehicles.
The FT-17 actually was the best tank of WW1 almost exclusively for non-combat stat reasons.
Got to hand it to the french for this one. small, cheap, well armoured (compared to british standard 14mm plate) and one mg with much better coverage than 2 female sponsons with 2 mgs each. And the separate crew/engine compartment, Carbon monoxide poisoning (and burning to death) was all part of the experience in british tanks of the day.
Gareth Milsom I agree that the FT is a major step forward in tank design, however is it really better at crossing shell craters in no-man's land than the British rhomboid heavy tanks? My suspicion is that the British tanks were probably better for the war of 1916 and 1917, but the FT is superior as soon as you can break the stalemate and have a more mobile war as in 1918.
Akm72 well the original tanks were designed to overcome a very particular problem in a very particular enviroment. put the renault in no mans land and it wouldnt do very well. i dont think the two are comparable.
Viridis Lux
Any evidence to suggest they did less well than British tanks?
+Akm72 It actually did fairly well, the engine, track, and suspension design pushed it up hills and whatnot. It would only stall uphill when it was bogged down in water in most cases.
worse actually.
There’s also one French platoon commanded by a Brazilian lieutenant. After the war he bring those tanks to home and become the first South American Armored Force! My respect to Lieutenant José Pessoa!
That tank was exported to so many places some modern armies found some lost in the desert during modern wars and were like : "what the hell is that thing doing here ?"
My guess is that it is because of the Renault FT-17 that the Brazilian armed forces don't call armoured fighting vehicles as "tanks".
@@octaviovaladaoferreirinhad2689 they dont but they are wrong
Brazil was always on the vanguard when talking about new vehicles
This man is one I could listen to for days and days. He is just amazing. Love these videos guys, they are very enjoyable.
absolutely, I can't get enough of them
My great uncle was a tank commander in one of these during WW1 he loved it his had a 37mm gun on it . what a wonderful man we was I miss him very much.
surelly the best WW1 tank
You are absolutely guaranteed one genuine LOL with every one of Mr Fletcher's fantastic little films.
Absolutely wonderful, I just wish they were longer and we had more of them. :)
FooWasHere
Dicks?
+Gassy German YESH
@FooWasHere That's called the Char 2C
I love how off-handly Fletcher remarks on Patton getting shot in the arse... Almost likes it's an afterthought to him.
Other factoids include the fact that it was the most produced tank ever made till the T-34 and the widest exported tank till the T-55!
+Andrew Schembri It was also the first tank to have many variants, including the first ever mine plow.
There were also several copies produced. The Russians had the T-18, the Italians the Fiat 3000, and us Americans the M1917, which never saw combat.
Well I'll be damned, the froggies made the best tank of WW1 and in huge numbers as well!
it was not the best tank of WWI.
Dubsy 102 Okay, let's hear why you think another tank is better? Considering numbers and all that, it should matter that more of these could be made and deployed.
Right. Here we go. The lack of a cannon and a machine gun I. The same vehicle limited it. It also only had a 37, not firing a large enough shell to be particularly effective. It was rather top heavy, and to short to cross trenches easily. The lack of gin depression caused by the turret made it hard to fire into trenches. All it had going for it was that it was cheap.
Meanwhile, the mk5 had about 4 times the firepower at least, a machine gun, was able to both cross and fire into trenches easily, and was as capable of a large variety of useful modifications. A mortar (as well as the standard stuff) an 5×MG loadout, and most interestingly, a floatation device could be adapted easily from the one used in 1917 to make a mk1 (I believe it was a mk1, certainly a 'lozenge' tank) float in a lake.nis this good enough?
Dubsy 102 Did it really need to have both? These didn't operate by themselves.
That 37mm gun was purpose built for blasting machine guns nests, it was great at the job. I needed to do a better job than the usual 7-8mm rifle round which could be stopped by 10cm of dirt. It could also take care of the "gun shields" that Germans often used.
Not that a machine gun was all that bad, it certainly suppressed a machine gun nest, they simply had no chance trying to stay above the trench-line and gain fire supremacy.
"The lack of gun depression caused by the turret made it hard to fire into trenches."
Okay, but once you're that close it's game over. Realise this was before any engine was powerful enough for tanks to really rush on far ahead of the infantry, if you are getting that close you're within grenade throwing range.
Do you really think that it would have been that practical even if it did have the gun depression? To just fire DIRECTLY into trenches? Realise the concern here was the several hundred metre gap where you could be so easily raked with machine gun fire and shell splinters go everywhere.
Renault 1917 gave protection from almost all of that and powerful enough means to counter attack. It required specialised weapons and tactics to defeat them, made worse by how they were barely able to hold on against the regular infantry and artillery assaults.
R17 had enough gun depression to suppress trench-lines where they were most dangerous, on the approaches. Not while standing right over them.
The problem with trying to make a tank long enough for any anti-tank ditch is you'll always lose. It's linearly harder to make a tank ditch wider or otherwise more difficult to cross but it's geometrically harder to make a tank long enough to cross said gap. Mk V was late to the show and had unacceptable turning control.
One thing is already certain, any ditch made too wide for a Renault to cross would be worthless protection from shell fire.
"All it had going for it was that it was cheap."
If that's all it had going for it (and it isn't) then that would be enough.
You're not a millionaire in a car showroom, this is about what's viable for winning the war.
"Meanwhile, the mk5 had about 4 times the firepower at least"
What does that even mean?
Renault 1917 still had a machine gun, that was still literally more firepower than you could ever need as it could fire at such a rate any machine gun position must retreat into cover (where they are vulnerable to infantry advancing on them) or get quickly and inevitably shot to pieces.
The British "Mark" series at most could only point two machine guns forward and like Renault could have either guns or MG but not both on the same machine.
Turret was just a much more efficient design, it didn't need a big 57mm gun, 37mm did the job.
I'd kill to work at a tank museum.
How many?
me too
+Asdf Asdf Over 6 million.
you were just 1 million short to work at the museum.
But if you do they won't let you!
That is one person who I just wanna give the biggest hug
i like the picture of the guy following a renault on a bike.
The bike was faster, but didnt come with armor and a heavy machine gun
A very nice example of the American M1917 ( our version of the FT-17) is setting in a museum in Danville NC. having a close look at it gave me a much improved impression of the sort of engineering and work that went into these little terrors
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Amazing how such an early tank made such long lasting steps!
Even in WWII it was way better than not having a tank. Nations smarting for good armored units, like the French, Romanians and Japanese, actually used them up front when they had nothing better
Ive seen one of these in south texas! Theirs was actualy in WW1, and it even runs! Its fun to see run 😁
Its nice to see the prototype survived
This tank is so cute. I'd like to hug it but I'm afraid I might crush it...
Yes and the Renault FT 17 is also nice
@opmdevil It's actually got more armor then the British Heavy tank so no worries there.
@@jaaksootak318
Bravo
@@Edax_Royeaux Not to mention that the armor is cleverly angled, while the British tended to just bolt more armor on the front.
Merci pour les sous-titres en français et pour les explications . Cool !
I really love this series, thank you for taking the time to put them out.
A lot of nations either adopted, copied or modified them. Poland used some and modified them for train tracks. One of them even ended up in Afghanistan xD
It is now restored & on display at the Fort Know tank museum.
I saw a video where they return it to poland
I love this tank in World of Tanks. can't believe the sprocket in the front is wood.
surprised to see it was used in WWII.
I love the evolution of tank design through the decades, very smart looking little vehicle.
The only thing that the British Mark tanks really got right which survived to this day were the armored hull and the tracks. Everything else proved too impractical. Sure, they were made for the muddy battlefields of WW1, but even there they had massive problems. Pretty much all nations capable of building tanks shifted towards the FT-17 design and layout.
they were much more suited to the WWI battlefield than the FT 17.
Dubsy 102 you mean the western front. 1 of the 11 fronts...
Or the only front where tanks where a real option
Dubsy 102 Depend on when in WWI. During the locked trench warfare the British Mark tanks were better, however during the 100 Days Offensive in the final three months of WWI when the war became much more mobile and similar to future wars the FT 17 was the ideal tank.
Exactly my point. The British Mark x tanks were built for very specific conditions and lost their functionality when those conditions didn't exist anymore. Once the war had become a war of mobility with rapid advances (the Entente used tanks, the Germans used their "Sturmtruppen"), the FT-17 was suited because it could keep up with the infantry. The Mark x tanks could basically just lumber along.
I love these videos, they are so interesting and enlightening. Please keep them coming.
It's so cute :3
Thats what I said when I first saw it.
But not so cute when it's shooting at you....
An informative and succinct presentation. I did not know the front idlers were of laminated wood. Some of these were steel, I believe, but I'm not positive. Sir David always was and is a delight to see and hear and had a encyclopaedic knowledge of warfare and the armour used therein. I miss you.
An amazing little tank. I could listen to Mr. Fletcher's tank chats for days. I hope he and David Willey were respectfully mobbed for signatures at Tank Fest. I wouldn't miss that opportunity for the world. Thank you.
I don't know why but this tank looks so cute, love it
😂 "Still, we've all got to suffer some bits and pieces." Priceless, Mr. Fletcher is the only one who can say it with such elegancy. 😂😆
There is a version of this tank at West Point Museum. Looking at it now it might not look much but if it were seen in groups moving down a neighborhood with gangs it would be a sudden shock. It was designed to withstand small arms of it's day so unless you have a heavy anti-tank rifle with you there isn't much you can do to stop it.
As always David Fletcher has a great commentary, and the same appreciation goes to David Willey too.
the FT17 is my fav tank
"By the way, would the world,🗺 war,💥 two, 2⃣ Nazi German,🇩🇪 hollowed charge Panzerfaust disposable recoilless rifle,and the Nazi German,🇩🇪 reversed,🔀 engineered version of the American, 🇺🇸 built,🏢 M1 bazooka anti-tank rocket,🚀 launcher called the Panzerschreck go up, 👆 against the world,🗺 war,💥one,1⃣ French,🇫🇷 built,🏢 FT-17 Renault light,🚦 tank?"
"We all gotta suffer some bits and pieces.." xD
I really don't know much about tanks honestly, but what a kindly old man.
If a Dalek had tracks on the side, it would be a Renault F-17!
In the mid-1970’s one of these was used to shoot a commercial for the now-gone Carrols fast food chain at the store in Westport Connecticut. They trucked it in but the weight still massively tore up the asphalt and everything else when pushing it into position.
Ah Carrols, in Finland it remained until 2011.
Heard a bit about these over the years, and i have seen photos of Lt. Patton with one. I would think a 37 mm gun would be the way to go (various ammo available, including case shot for anti-infantry use), and squeeze in a coaxial MG if possible. One of the photos appeared to have something next to the 37mm gun. Had the rapid firing 20mm cannons been available then, that may have been a great choice. Great series. Love Mr. Fletcher
This channel really deserves more attention. You are one of the best speakers on the subject of armored vehicles I've ever listened to. This is actually my favorite little tank. Does the Bovington Tank Museum have any schematics of any model of FT-17 they're willing to share, or know where I might find some? It has been my life-long dream to construct a working replica; it will happen before I leave this earth! If I came down could I take some measurements ;)?
Keep up the good work. These videos are truly hidden gems on the topic of armored vehicles during these eras.
Jeeze, it is waaaaaay bigger than I thought it would be.
I've seen two here in Virginia. One is in Danville with the 37mm, the other is in Newport News with a Machine Gun.
The only tank to have served with multiple nations in both world wars, and always one of my favorites.
What a shame it was stripped and will never run at Tankfest. Still, she's a beauty.
Also, that Patton Factoid!
I seen the Dutch variant of this tank in the museum at former US-airbase Soesterberg. It was used to test and train crews, but aside from that there was no idea these things may be the future. So far I know, there were only 2 in the Netherlands.
I was just there this week. Lovely museum we'll worth a visit.
If BF1 had realism there would like a billion FT-17s
Nobody ever said it did.
My favourite Tank
The only tank to serve in both wars..and for both sides! Wonderful stuff, David.
There was a British ww1 rhomboid tank that was dug out and used in the defence of Portsmouth. That was following Dunkirk when invasion was feared and things were pretty desperate.
@@andrewclayton4181 By "served" I am thinking "fired shots under fire". That said, a couple of WWI MkIVs were pulled out of a museum in BERLIN '45 to be used in defense against the Soviets!
I love everyone at the tank museum, but he’s my favorite haha
Thanks.
There is footage of the FT18 ascending a steep hill and then you see that strange looking half-question mark on the rear coming into play - preventing the tank from going down the hill doing a backward somersault. The Poles used it in 1939 as well as the Nationalist Chinese, Finns, etc..
The large idler wheels were only wood on the French-built units. The American-built version used all steel idlers.
The front visor plate looks quite thick. For it's day this would have been quite a tough and effective little thing. I think it is cool!
Quite a tank for its time. 😳
Jingles brought me here, and I'm not disappointed at all, great chats.
All I want for Christmas is more David Fletcher tank chats
Another awesome Tank Talk, and about the absolute classic machine no less.
I wish they would do more of these with him on a regular basis.
My fav tank.
Give Louis Renault credit for he really got it right with this one.
She's a gorgeous tank, even if she doesn't have anything inside.
OMG I was saying this was the Centurion of WW1 and I see this and it actually was the Centurion of WW1 in the fact in the 1940's it was still being used. This has now truly become my favourite tank of all time :D :D :D
It simply set the standard.
David Fletcher is the best. Wish he was in all their videos.
Ah finally i learn why the early war tanks have the tail part. I should have known XD
Yep, it's to expand their footprint so they can cross gaps more easily.
It is interesting to see that Renault, which currently produces Clio, once built the first modern tank.
Great little tank for its time.
There is an FT-17 turret in a museum near my location "West coast of Norway". The Germans used FT-17 turrets to defend small airfields around here, sadly not many made it out fine after the war ended. Either the British did bomb em, or the Germans destroyed em them self. I was amazed of it's small size when I first saw one tbh... on the inside that is.
Lol we have in Spain at least one in working condition, at the Goloso base (if im recall well) idk right now... but there are here sice the rift war so they are pretty old.... and at the same time Cute.
We have to agree that its a cute little tonk!
But not so cute when it's shooting at you
"We all suffered bits and pieces..."
Bwahahahaha!!
Slight mistake in the video was the gun part, the FT in this video uses the Hotchkiss M1914 which fired an 8mm round.
There has to be a complete running FT17 there must. I remember seeing a old tank like this in the seventies around Santa Monica Ca. outside a lumber yard in a parking lot painted yellow. Probably Hollywood surplus from the twenties.
HUNG BULLDADDY There is a at least one video around in RUclips where there actually is one that has been restored and running somewhere in the woods in the USA.
HUNG BULLDADDY
Likely one of the U.S. variants, known as a "Six Ton Special" or M1917.
TNX255
Probably the one owned by Hayes Otoupalik up in Montana.
my favourite tank~
Great video. Please keep them coming!
The Germans also used the FT-17 turrets for fortifications. There is quite a few of them in Norway.
This tank is extremely beautiful. I have build it on 1/16 scale.
Imagine this type of tank but built from only lightweight modern materials, watertight and propelled by more extended and stiff-end flaps. Smaller engine or anything to keep it in balance with what we can today. Go anywhere swamp boat..
Surprised that this is the first time I heard this tank described in neutral terms as the success it was. The machine is 7-foot high so I guess Mr Fletcher is about 5 foot tall.
"I'll name this tank Dave." - Indy Neidell
A lot of the turrets ended up in the Channel Islands mounted on coastal bunkers.
thank you great video
Aww how cute; look at its lil tail :)
That tank is so darn cute
"We all get to suffer bits and pieces." 😂
Great info on a great little tank of the world war's.
Any description on the 00:20 image? Looks like an early model of the Char Mitrailleur. Doesn't even resemble the 1er Prototype.
Solid milk chocolate armor and toffee bar tracks
Please do more of these videos!
Visit bovington it really is a splendid day out
The nice construction, but! The First Horse Army (from Red Army) led by Semyon Budionny won in battle a certain number of these tanks in Poland in 1920. They checked them but did not take because they were "too slowly" for! So, those tanks were very good on the static western front. But not in the East when the situation were very dynamic, and the front line was very mobile... In result they sent most of those Reno FT 17 to Afghanistan as the proof of the Moscow's friendship for the Afghanistan's king! In the some time, one of the leaders of Soviets Republic, Lev Trotsky wrote a book about the situation in Asia "when common people are ready for communist revolution and to overthrow the thrones, and they are waiting for Red Army who will release them from the "feudal" oppression". The very weird friendship!
i would want him as my grandpa
wanna meet that dad
Wow its a lot bigger than I thought it would be, or is that guy just really really tiny?
JTelli786 Nope, it really is that big. Still diddy compared to the rest though.
Dominic Tolson Are all renault designs the same size because I absolutely swear that the ones in old war photos look smaller.
It's big but obviously it is small for a tank especially if you compare it to a tog let's say.
There's an engine, transmission, fuel, ammo and 2 men in there!
How could it be any smaller?
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hahaha brilliant very well delivered haha patton shot in the backside
AWESOME!
It's so tiny it's cute!
I always wanted to drive a FT-17 someday.
+poptart23 It's actually pretty simple to drive.
I'd like to see more of the inside of the tanks.
The last FT17 tanks to be used was against the Russians by the Afghans when Russia invaded from 1979 to 1988. Some examples had been found and restored in Kabul.
tasman006
Is it tank that's now present in Poland?