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Let me try to explain why the ending was not "rushed". By the time Samus reaches Hanubia, she is no longer "horrified" and begins to freely parry EMMI. The red EMMI was an indication that nothing would stop Samus now. When Samus fights Raven Beak on Itorash, he defeats her and tells her that he is going to clone Samus as a bioweapon to use for his plan to bring order to the galaxy. In the manga, Samus had a fear that she might be used as a bioweapon by the Chozo, and in fact there is no family between them. Samus was horrified and felt DREAD when she was listening these words from her DNA donor and that he was going to use her to establish a "Galactic Peace" as it was the Chozo's mission and her ancestral destiny to fulfill their dreams. Life forces began to leave Samus. She nearly gave up when her hatred to Raven Beak and the Metroids' hatred to Mawkins came together. She mutated into a Metroid and struck down Raven Beak with all her rage. The reason she didn't consume Raven Beak X is because she doesn't want anything to do with him. Also the reason why the planet started the process of self-destruction is because Raven Beak planned to blow up ZDR after he captured Samus on Itorash, since the planet is completely infested with Parasite X. You can guess this if you pay attention to how Adam (Raven Beak) says that the planet needs to be blown up. (He just surreptitiously revealed his real intentions) Famicom Detective Club stuff, baby.
I wouldn't add anything post the Ravenbeak fight. Rather, I would add more before it, after you get the power bomb. Before your fight with Ravenbeak, add 1 area that is a final gauntlet where you have to use all of your abilities, both in movement and in combat. You can have an X parasite that mimics previous enemies and bosses you fought as a boss of that area. In a way serves as a skill check before you fight the final boss, reminding you of all the abilities you have to make sure you are ready for the final boss.
I think dread had a god ending. Basically you were fighting the best warrior the chozo race had to offer yet and the only way to beat him was with plot and obtaning the strongest power in the metroid universe. Samus became a beacon of hope and a destroyer as well. The best they can do is a scene where the galactic federation notices Samus is in fact a full metroid and they want to capture her at all cost.
would heavily favor my favorite line in the game, where the "Adam" Nav Computer speaks about the Changes in Samus and how she is now considered a Metroid and therefore a thread to the universe. They make this a silent scene, zoom in on the aspect and you really felt the weight behind those words. You spent so many games killing those "strongest warriors" to now be at the turning point where you are what you hunted. It would leave room for a new balance between the interactions of the federation and samus, as well as give opportunity for other Bounty Hunters to be set on hunting Samus (would give the whole chase between Samus and the guy from "Hunters" a whole new perspective, like "I was hired by the federation to keep an eye on you, but since you are now a Metroid, the Federation pays me a huge amount to strike you down." Thats also the biggest thing i was missing in the credits. Having no real information as of what Samus now is with the Reverse from the X, as well as how the rest of the universe will look at her. Will she still be a bounty hunter? (i mean, she now is considered the "strongest warrior"). Will clients not take her out of fear that she is a universe destroying entity that can basically absorb anything she touches to absorb and enhance herself? Will this also be a new aspect as of why Samus gains powers in the upcoming games? (Usually felt a bit odd that all the chozo statues usually give you the things you already had, like Plasma, varia, gravity, bombs, etc.) They could make it that you power yourself up to regenerate lost abilities or just simply absorb aspects of enemies that use them, instead of killing and looting bugs to get bombs?
I know people get ideas for things they watch or play and come up with ideas they would like to see happen. A lot of what was talked about sounds like a rom hack idea (if that's even possible with Dread). I think the main issue I take with a lot of fan ideas is how it goes against what has been established, not just story, but fundamentally changes who a character is and what they are like throughout the story. I'm not saying this does that, but It could easily stray from what we know of the characters. It reminds me of someone's take on the Trunks character from Dragon Ball Z. I forget what it was exactly the suggested, but I remember the idea completely ignored EVERYTHING that made Trunks, Trunks, and showed they lacked even the most basic understanding of both his character and the struggles he lived through up to that point. I think the ideas presented in this could become a game itself, and I think Nintendo made this game the way it is so they'd have a vast amount of options for future games without painting themselves into a corner. We won't know until Metroid 6 what that looks like.
Well if we are giving Raven Beak a warship like place... why not have a biolab on it that is showing signs of new samus's being grown? I mean might be too Res evil vibs or Vitality vibs but hey it is what Raven Beaks plan is... to use the planet as sort of a samus metroid playground.
I'm gonna be honest while I like the addition of a context for destroying the planet and everything pre Raven Beak fight... everything else feels too much... Like this is the exact problem I have for stories of Zero Mission and Samus Returns. The extra content that is fun as gameplay but really really anti climactic and damaging for the pacing of the story. Like Mecha Ridley in Zero Mission feels way too apart in that games story same with Ridley in SR and to me sadly in this what if. Metroid Suit is cool yes but it's cool factor comes from it also acting as a Hyper Beam type suit. To me you shouldn't have an extra big section with that suit. Only thing I would've wanted is a New Game Plus option for it. Same with Raven Beak. Original Raven Beak fight simply is the best final boss in the series with it feeling that final with all the build up. And suddenly taking away the final boss spot from him to show a x version of him waaaaaay later feels like a really pointless extra that damages the games pacing hard. The thing also hurts with this rewrite is literally making an entire section of the game just action without collecting anything. Which would again feel pace breaking A LOT. Even if the idea is "showing" this sections dark atmosphere. I would simply add some of this extra stuff before the final fight with Raven Beak and change nothing about that fight.
>"I would simply add some of this extra stuff before the final fight with Raven Beak and change nothing about that fight." Completely agree. Hanubia needs some more content, sure, so it's not like this video has no reason to exist. But the Itorash is fine as it is, Raven Beak is perfect as he is, we don't need to over-egg an already amazing pudding
Things we could add would be some hint of Quiet Robe helping us, being more clear with the destruction of the planet and having the possibility to play as the metroid suit and zss for a ng+.
I would say this feels both unnecessary and unneeded. Once you defeat Raven Beak, you feel that sense of accomplishment, you feel like you finish the game, that is why when he transforms, you only need the beam the kill him and then to escape. Having to go for an extra hour or three pass the "final boss" will feel like padding and kill the momentum, having to fight another boss after Raven Beak will make him feel like a mid boss instead of the final boss he is, not to mention that Samus in her Metroid form is meant to feel powerful, so much that she can't fully contain the power, nerfing that in order to be able to explore an extra area would make the whole overpower point mute. To me the ending was perfect and it would have definitely sour my experience if after that moment of "yes I beat him" I would have to spend and extra hour to three more to finish the game.
More time with the metroid suit was the main thing I wanted, but I understand why they didn't. Its reveal in the Raven Beak fight was pivotal to the climax, and hanging around after what has been clearly built as the final boss just wouldn't feel right. It would end up requiring some more fundamental changes to the plot. Nonetheless, great video.
"We have released the Ultimate Warriors. They have far exceeded our expectations. As well as our control. Even so, we are stricken with guilt and grief as we leave them in a universe that is not ready for their existence. Pray for their success. Pray for the safety of all life in the cosmos." "Our Legacy" -- Unknown Chozo AM2R
Okay but an army of evolved Metroids would still tear through the galaxy like a knife through butter. 10 foot tall nearly invincible life-sucking aliens are still pretty hard to beat.
I love all these ideas! Dread is one of my favourite games ever and I didn’t really give too much thought to the end of the game cuz my first play through took me 10 hours to beat & 12 to 100% so I didn’t feel like the game was rushed at all and I’ve played through it many times! I especially love your visual edits & using the mod for the Metroid suit to help showcase your unique story and additions to the game, it really gave the feeling of new content! 👏👏👏 wonderful video
I have to respectfully disagree. In my opinion, all the ending of Dread needed was a bit of dialogue explaining Quiet Robe X's actions at the very end.
I love the name "Jutanka", it sounds like an expansion of the word "Junk." Perhaps just like how Elun is a decrepit version of Hanubia, Jutanka is a much more messy, decrepit but more highly advanced Dairon? Maybe because it was thrown together during desperate circumstances- they NEEDED to rush this facility. It just needs to be technologically advanced, not pretty. Keeping it clean and inhabitable is not an priority, creating Metroids is all that matters. It would be an interesting way of visually demonstrating how the Mawkin's priorities are kept even when the world is falling apart around them as a result. "Power is everything" to a detrimental degree. Also, personally, I think it'd be WAY more interesting if Raven Beak DID get infected by the X parasite upon Itorash crashing... but you didn't kill him, or even fight him right away, for that matter. Perhaps he escapes and, as you explore Jutanka, occasionally you hear crashes or booms in the distance, or other signs of his presence lurking around the facility. Entirely conscious of his goals even despite his monsterous form. Still thinking, planning, looking for things. Both Samus and Raven Beak by this point would be exploring the same decrepit facility after undergoing a major transformation. Also I'd kill for a Raven Beak playable story. He has a power suit, so gameplay wouldn't be that different. Honestly you could even make it into a full game to add onto Dread.
This would be a great DLC. Nintendo won't ever make it, but it would be the extra content would be great and capitalises on some missed opportunities. I particularly like the bit with Quiet Robe. Showing the X version reliving Quiet Robe's recent life would further solidify why it let's Samus absorb it in the end cutscene. That reason being the X essentially became a duplicate of him. (Which I noticed you mentioned in a caption at 19:19)
First of all I would've exploit the presence of Silent Robe a little more like having a specific mission of seeking something for him before returning to his location and then he gets killed by the chozo robot then the Jutanka location I think could've been the federation ship that we can see at the far of Hanubia and where the EMMIS came, there the red EMMI would have its own maze and EMMI zone also we would have fought a Mother Brain/Aurora Unit boss like to gain the armor shield aeon ability from Samus Returns and finally the end I think the section of overcharging the Cataris reactor is a nice argument to destroy the planet and the final boss with Raven Beak I would extend only a 1 phase boss fight with Raven Beak X having the ability of transforming into other bosses and at the end having the secuence of the Kraid like Raven Beak just to escape the planet. Also with the rewards I think the chozo memories should be 30s cutscenes from each area, also that we could unlock all 2D aesthetic suits as rewards from speed, damage taken, and % completed such as Super Metroid, Fusion, Samus Returns and so on and finally having a Zero Suit Samus cutscene at the end of the game. I think this could've been a much much better game than what we end up having wich don't get me wrong, Metroid Dread is still a masterpiece as it is.
Yeah the endgame felt kinda rushed but I thought it was amazing. One of the best final hours in a nintendo game for me. I think the story on its own wrapped it greatly. Yeah there couldve been changes to fit more and feel less "go go get to the end" but I still enjoyed it. Only part i think that they desperately needed was something like fusion where we see adam or samus' thoughts after the whole thing I also think they wrapped up the saga by Samus taking out a chozo and one that's been built up to. All while getting rid of the X and Metroids completely. Samus being the last Metroid is also amazing, her literally becoming the title name of the series and living up to the "Ultimate Warrior" title. Metroids are gone but will always be in the story via Samus
If I could take one of you that you came up with its definitely to have mutant chozo warriors that don't match up to Samus' capabilities in terms of Metroid like qualities.
I would add to the post credits scene is that Anthony Higgs (with a new armor) appears behind Samus and says something to her and then they walks towards the camera in a heroic way. Kinda foreshadowing the new story in which Samus Aran and Anthony Higgs are both Bounty Hunters on an adventure and seemingly on the run from the Federation which are now fully corrupt and now threatens the galaxy.
Not a fan of having the whole GF be corrupted, but I like the idea of a new story with Anthony returning fighting against the corrupted faction of the GF.
Very cool idea. But I don't think the Federation as a whole are corrupt. More or less, they have been compromised. The Pirate Log entries in Prime 3 mention they have double agents and conspirators within the Federation. The so-called Ringleaders in Other M could be a part of the Pirate Conspiracy. Metroids have the potential for incredible breakthroughs in Medical Science but the Conspiracy has other ideas. Who knows, while they never intended MB to go rogue, they most likely decided to take advantage of her delivering the Bottle Ship's bioweapon cargo to attack the Federation Capital on Earth so they use it as coup overthrow the higher-ups.
@@ridley2172yeah we all know they are one of the only companies to not rush their employees to death ? "We all know" no we don't, they litteraly are always never afraid to report deadlines and treat their developpers with respect. Really stupid comment.
Imagine a spin off game that you play a honorable and outstanding Mawkin soldier just to reveal at the end that Chozo is Raven Beak, something like Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker that you play as Naked Snake moments before he embrace the Title Big Boss
Hmm, in my opinion the revised ending doesn't really convey how uncontrollably powerful Metroid samus is. It makes the removal of the suit at the end seem like more of a plot copout for future games instead of a neccesity and relief for the rest of the galaxy. One thing I enjoyed about the breakneck pace of Hanubia is that it effectively communicates how awakened Samus is becoming uncontrollably powerful, a fact that makes Raven Beak's of a samus army more tangible
It's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure I agree with adding more bosses and content after the Raven Beak fight. Maybe add your Jutanka idea before heading to Itorash?
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I love it! I think it would be great to give the ending more context. The only thing I would change is the fight in the lab should be Ridley LOL I know, I know, it wouldn't make sense but I missed him in the game.
Talks about a place for advanced bio weapon captives , also puts pandæmonium (savage) music in the background. Bonus for the lyrics of the specific song, “silence, born into violence” I see what you did
I don't like anything after Raven Beak boss fight. The game ends greatly after that, anything is just diminishing the effect of one of the best boss battles in any videogame. Changing something before it's ok as it feel rushed without much reward, after is just fine as it is.
I don't know if better Hearing would be fitting for the Red Emmi, the Power-Ups they give you are more related to what they do. The White Emmi gave you the Spider Magnet to climb since it climbed on walls, the Green gave you the Morph Ball since it could crawl through small gaps, the yellow one gave you speed Booster Because it was fast as heck, the Blue one gave you Ice Missiles Because it could freeze you when spotted, the purple one had the Wave Beam and it used them for looking through walls and shooting huge but slow electric Projectiles that go through walls and stunn you (if you remember Metroid Prime, you know that the Wave Beam is an electricity-based beam, so this makes kinda sense that it stuns you), but what should better Hearing have to do with the Power of a Tiny Nuke?
15:16 How about “Chozoid” for the name? It has the “-oid” from Metroid at the end of “Chozo,” plus it’s similar to the word “humanoid” which means human in appearance.
I think the one thing I was the most confused by is why did Quiet Robe X undo Samus's Metroid Mutation? X only care about their own preservation and helping the last Metroid, their natural enemy is detrimental to that very goal.
Back in Metroid Fusion. Adam stated that higher level thinking intelligent life forms was kind of a new thing for the X when infecting them. As they would still at first act on instinct to kill the metroids by any means as seen from the scientist back on the space station. However, I believe over time the X will continue to act more and more like these intelligent beings they have become. As we have seen when from SA-X defending Samus from the Omega Metroid. It could have easily taken down samus, but instead aided her. As we all know that 'Samus' will always protect the weak and defenseless as the heroine she is.
@@thecharly5588 This. I feel like anyone questioning this don't understand something real simple - X is just a parasite. It just wants to live. To that end, it's not "evil". It just wants to LIVE. It is victim to its host
Either the last vestiges of Quiet Robe's control in a final act, or an interesting manifestation of the X's goal in getting rid of their natural enemy in metroids, not by attempting to fight awakened samus, but remove the metroid power
NGL, I would probbly change Ravenbeak being infected by an X parasite, as I feel that he would have been a good nemesis for Samus in future games. Insted I would have it that the purple X paparasite could swap forms at will (Perhaps even adapting to certain threats).
Dude that's brilliant!! I was a little disapointed for that quick end to the game too, I mean compared to other great metroidvania games like Hollow knight or blasphemous dread it's short
Tbh, i would have stopped playing after the og raven dude battle in this alternate universe. Some of these ideas feel overwhelming to me, gameplay-wise
I see an alternate timeline in which Dread’s ending plays out as you’ve written it here, and in your review of the game, you have negative feelings about the ending. There is no better ending they could have written than closing the game almost immediately after the battle against Raven Beak. Not only is it one of the best boss fights in the series, it’s one of the best final bosses in any video game ever. Putting anything after it, especially a second fight against Raven Beak (a character who is shown to be *so determined* to defeat you that he rips off one of his wings in the final battle because it would get in the way), would turn the most tense moment in the entire series into a non-climax. The ending of the game comes quickly because Raven Beak orchestrated the whole scenario, and the instant Samus displayed her Metroid abilities nothing else was necessary, so he funnels her to him. He knows Samus can’t (won’t) leave without exterminating the X; that’s why he directs her to open the fortress they’re locked in. Samus would *never* willingly leave ZDR without going to Raven Beak, not even for a “bad ending”. The ending is fast because making it fast was the correct choice.
Another great video, Orpheon! While I think some of your ideas go a bit overboard (sorry!), I think a side mode starting a playable Raven Beak would be badass, and is an awesome idea! Nintendo already does stuff like this too, like in Kirby, where you have a Magolor epilogue. Would have been fun
Really great idea. Metroid endgames has always felt a little lackluster in general. I really think the game could use a “Dr Wily castle”. A huge area that puts all your abilities to the test, because usually when you get the last ability, it’s only the cleanup and the final boss left.
I seriously love these kinds of rewrites as I wish this could be done so bad I would pay for dread again for something like this if it did come out. I could also see the mod community doing this in a few years.
My slight grip with it is that it was mainly an improvement over Fusion instead of Super; but thankfully it retrieved back what was lost with SRR. Less teleporters and more connected rooms and corridors would have been more welcomed, and a return to sequence breaking that wasn't intended but a pure result of emerging gameplay beyond what the devs intend would have been a good start... (also for the love of god Sakamoto, give back single wall-jumping and don't force inertia. And return moonwalk.) Dread especially offering ways to tackle certain bosses in a different order would have been even better to break the rail-roadish progression at times. Still, Metroid's back on the right tracks, that's always a pleasure.
Saying your ideas are very nice would be an understatement, and probably redundant at force. But either way, I'm still going to do it because I literally cannot shut up and I love them too much. Expanding Hanubia was indeed necessary, its size was underwhelming to say the least, and adding a mechanism specific to Hanubia really adds to the exploration and gameplay. This would allow the player to appreciate the Wave Beam even more, even though I'm still sad the Plasma Beam isn't the last beam or that the Wave Beam doesn't spin anymore. Where I think some ideas are diverging is when it comes to the E.M.M.I. zones. I do love the maze theme you talked about, but I do wonder how playable it would be with the E.M.M.I.'s ability if it stuns you like in the cutscene. Something to avoid that issue would be if it only used it once it gets close to you (like a few meters away instead of a whole other room), using shortcuts you can only access with the Morph Ball after the zone is cleared. As for the Central Unit, I personally believe it would be nice to get to fight against it, perhaps with some new attacks or mechanics to spice things up. Once you absorb its energy and get the Omega Canon, you exit the room but the E.M.M.I. is not here. You run forward a bit until a Power Bomb is dropped from somewhere and it stuns you, leaving the E.M.M.I. to get out of a shortcut on top of you and catch Samus. She would still absorb its energy before the Red Chozo Soldier appears (I don't think you mentioned it on your video, I don't remember already) and you fight it. It could have a slightly different move set, standing still for a few seconds at some point to destroy its shield with the Omega Stream and Omega Canon before absorbing the X, and getting the Power Bomb, removing the Omega Canon at the same time. As for the locks, perhaps they could be hidden in the E.M.M.I. zones, being only accessible after using Power Bombs, making the player enjoy its usage for exploration on top of accessing Energy Tanks, Missiles Tanks, and Power Bomb tanks. Samus would then fight Raven Beak, although I would make the fight a bit shorter, removing Phase 3, and instead replacing it with a quick cutscene where Samus thinks she's got the upper hand but gets caught. She awakens her Metroid DNA, but the energy absorption for Raven Beak would be less brutal (for reasons seen later). Afterwards, once Itorash crashes and Samus wakes up, she finds herself in her Metroid Suit before it lights up and disappears, revealing a fully healed version of the Power Suit (I would imagine something like the Gravity Suit from SR but with silver instead of yellow and the Metroid dots on the back of the suit). Samus would feel tired because of the massive change in her, before standing up and going forth into Jutanka, meeting the real Adam and all. Now, whenever she uses the melee counter to parry, she could either shoot her opponent or charge at it and absorb its energy. Everything is basically the same, except she could get the Aeion abilities Raven Beak used, so the Electric Armor and the Beam Burst (replacing the beam buff in a way) and perhaps even the Ice Beam considering Raven Beak would have needed it to make Metroids more docile. Once she finds the elevator to Cataris, she can explore the planet again, and even go back to her ship to recharge her health and ammo before continuing down the road. The shields that Samus must absorb in your video would behave a bit differently. Samus could choose between absorbing their energies, and therefore allowing the X-Parasites access to the rooms previously inaccessible, or passing through them, which would still lock the X-Parasites away, but would deactivate some of Samus' abilities, keeping players on their toes. Absorbing the shields would allow access to the X-Parasites, going into the next rooms but also making the enemies harder, perhaps even adding some mini-bosses that wouldn't be here had Samus just passed through the shield. Not having the Metroid Suit would not strip Samus of her missiles or her Aeion abilities, meaning there wouldn't be a drastic change of gameplay that could ruin the fun in some way. Then, we get to the new Experiment Boss. Things would stay the same, except I would have Quiet Robe-X struggling a bit, as if his Thoha DNA was affecting the X-Parasite in some way (I would love to discuss it more on your Discord server if you're willing to listen, I'm Nep or @NepDoesArt). Samus defeats the experiment and meets Raven Beak, visibly weakened, but still standing. This is where Phase 3 of the fight would come, having an even stronger Samus fighting against Raven Beak. This time, the phase would end with Samus restricting Raven Beak's arm canon either with her hand or with the Ice Beam. Either way, the two are locked together, hands against arm canons, before Samus feels a surge of Adrenaline and the Metroid Suit begins to appear, making its appearance awaited with visual cues during the cutscene. Samus would then absorb the Hyper Beam and get back. Raven Beak would try and shoot, but the arm canon's tip explodes, leaving the canon to disappear and leaving him vulnerable to any X, unable to destroy them. He would get infected, and then everything else would be the same as in your video. The only thing I would change for the post-credit scene is some of the names on the Chozo Sanctuary. If I recall correctly, Old Bird and Platinum Chest survived Zebes in the Manga, thanks to Samus and her friends, although Grey Voice sacrificed himself. If I'm not wrong, then I would remove those names, and make them bow with Samus in front of the sanctuary to honour those who fell. The scene would then end with Samus speaking Chozo, probably something like "May you finally rest, my friend." Overall, those are the "only" changes I would make with the scenario you proposed, but honestly, I would have never imagined all of this had it not been for your amazing work. I always love watching your videos, being informative, fun, and overall very enjoyable to watch. I do hope you'll have a great day and I thank you for reading my comment!
Bro I love this except for the part where u say see those ships get destroyed there hon the flew away man that’s the next game games this detailed don’t miss stuff like that
But you have to be on certain difficulties to get either one the Metroid you can be Beat It on normal mode you get the Metroid armor you beat it on hard you get the Emmy you beat it on dread mode and you get the Raven beat I just seems like a cool idea richest skins witches make your armor look cool that's all the Final 14 beat me on the dread mode you get an extra energy tank a few missiles Phantoms and something else
I think gameplay-wise your idea is good but story-wise it needs a lot of work. For example Samus despised the Mawklin tribe enough to destroy Raven beak utterly rather than unlock his massive potential power for herself, it would be the other tribe's armor she might honor.
As far as continuations... I personally hope our next game we don't play as Samus, but rather we "awaken" in a pod with no armor(zero suit), with "memories" up until Samus woke up on ZDR to find the power fluctuating in the facility and other "Samus" Zero suits with similar experiences being hunted by 2 Mawklin X and what we think is an SA-X, only to endgame twist that we were created by a facility on auto-pilot by Raven beak during the events of Dread and the X found us to destroy us just like they did in Fusion, then Samus found us and assumed we were X she had tracked from ZDR, allowing the game to offer multiplayer experiences in puzzles and reboot the series without forcing Samus to lose power while also having an SA-X level threat without the threat being the X.
Dread felt super rushed at the end. The game also never really followed up on Samus going rouge. That was the hook fans were most excited about after Fusion but instead it's about some chozo who was only ever retroactively included into the series via s remake. Sequentially Dread is a Fusion sequel but narrativly it feels like a Samus Retuns sequel as weird as that sounds.
@@ghosty2548 I don't even think it was from a bad translation. In game Samus was following Adam's orders and the ending left her hopeful that people would understand why they had to do what they did. The rogue theory was always just conjecture.
While I think the idea is interesting, I think having the last fight and ending playing out like it did was perfect. I would, however, have added more stuff to do before that and I would have given to the red emmi a true area and fight.
As cool as this is, I actually don't mind the one we got (and you said as much). However, getting there is what bothers me. It feels like the dev team had two different ideas for the game, and they tore the ending off of one version and stitched it to the body of the other. My biggest complaint is Adam. At what point did Adam become Raven Beak? It feels super out of the blue because there isn't a portion of the game I can point to and go, "Aha! I didn't catch that at first, but it all makes sense now!" I also wish we had just *one* more glimpse of Samus awakening her Metroid powers prior to her getting jumped by that random animal in Hanubia. Lastly, I really felt like the self-destruction of the planet was out of place. Like, yeah, Itorash crashed into the surface. That was enough to make the planet go nuclear? That doesn't seem right to me. But, other than that, baller game, baller what-if, and if I was talented enough to do this myself, I would.
The moment he starts saying "Samus" instead of "Lady" when ending things. Reminder that, although it's a dumb reason, whenever Adam is serious, he will say "Any Objections, Lady?" While I personally dislike it, it is a trait you can use to tell it was never him, from the moment they lost connection.
@Grace_Scarlett i hear what you're saying, but isn't the last time he calls her "Lady" when we're flashing back to her taking the elevator down to Artaria? I don't know. Maybe I'm just dumb
The game was amazing, that final boss was great and memorable, I just wished it lasted longer than a day or that there were more things to do. I know Metroid as a whole has always been very speed runner centric with countdowns and whatnot. But I really hope prime 4 has replayability and items to collects and things to do aside from replaying the entire game
The addition of an actual cause for the planet exploding would be nice. Also personally I’d eliminate the genetic connection Samus has to RB (causes too much confusion in the timeline for a cliched “daughter-moment”.
A prequel where you play as Raven Beak would be cool. I was hoping he'd get more screen time to build up his character. Killing him off after one game also was a mistake in my opinion.
I'm just glad that Metroid Dread proved itself and did so well, saleswise. Hopefully that'll mean that we get an ending that isn't rushed next time, especially with the rumors running around that they're already working on Metroid 6. As for the video's scenario, I definitely love it. The Metroid Suit being just a countdown sequence upgrade works well enough since Super Metroid also did a super powered form for its escape sequence, so using the suit in such a way worked fine as a callback to Super. Heck, even the playable Raven Beak mini story would be awesome. I'm just glad that Metroid is in good hands now.
My problem with the ending of dread is that it introduced raven beak and killed him same game. He's an "evil chozo" hell him just being a living chozo is enough to keep him around for one more game at least. Samus honestly got a bit too strong, too fast, too soon in the context of the game. At the very least it can be said that without metroid ex machina raven beak was never gonna lose to Samus, but he did so what now? Sylux better step up his game if he's gonna be any kind of threat in a future title.
I would have loved if the ending played out differently. I really don't like the last Emmi. I don't like how you just run into it and instantly kill it and get the power bombs. I wish it was like all the other ones and there was an area for it and having to track down the central unit. I love the Raven Beak fight and sequences but I've always found it strange that suddenly ZDR is just going to explode after Itorash crashes. It seemingly happens for no reason
The Chozo end up fighting against the Space Pirates but...what if the Chozo ARE the Space Pirates and Mother Brain simply mutated the non-scientific side of the Chozo Civilization into more easily controllable creatures, pretty much deleted the Chozo out of them and is using that advanced race to do all the powerful things she manages to accomplish.
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This would have been a phenomenal ending. I especially love the idea of having more time to play around with the Metroid Suit.
Let me try to explain why the ending was not "rushed". By the time Samus reaches Hanubia, she is no longer "horrified" and begins to freely parry EMMI. The red EMMI was an indication that nothing would stop Samus now. When Samus fights Raven Beak on Itorash, he defeats her and tells her that he is going to clone Samus as a bioweapon to use for his plan to bring order to the galaxy. In the manga, Samus had a fear that she might be used as a bioweapon by the Chozo, and in fact there is no family between them. Samus was horrified and felt DREAD when she was listening these words from her DNA donor and that he was going to use her to establish a "Galactic Peace" as it was the Chozo's mission and her ancestral destiny to fulfill their dreams. Life forces began to leave Samus. She nearly gave up when her hatred to Raven Beak and the Metroids' hatred to Mawkins came together. She mutated into a Metroid and struck down Raven Beak with all her rage. The reason she didn't consume Raven Beak X is because she doesn't want anything to do with him. Also the reason why the planet started the process of self-destruction is because Raven Beak planned to blow up ZDR after he captured Samus on Itorash, since the planet is completely infested with Parasite X. You can guess this if you pay attention to how Adam (Raven Beak) says that the planet needs to be blown up. (He just surreptitiously revealed his real intentions) Famicom Detective Club stuff, baby.
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I wouldn't add anything post the Ravenbeak fight. Rather, I would add more before it, after you get the power bomb. Before your fight with Ravenbeak, add 1 area that is a final gauntlet where you have to use all of your abilities, both in movement and in combat. You can have an X parasite that mimics previous enemies and bosses you fought as a boss of that area. In a way serves as a skill check before you fight the final boss, reminding you of all the abilities you have to make sure you are ready for the final boss.
I think dread had a god ending. Basically you were fighting the best warrior the chozo race had to offer yet and the only way to beat him was with plot and obtaning the strongest power in the metroid universe. Samus became a beacon of hope and a destroyer as well. The best they can do is a scene where the galactic federation notices Samus is in fact a full metroid and they want to capture her at all cost.
would heavily favor my favorite line in the game, where the "Adam" Nav Computer speaks about the Changes in Samus and how she is now considered a Metroid and therefore a thread to the universe. They make this a silent scene, zoom in on the aspect and you really felt the weight behind those words. You spent so many games killing those "strongest warriors" to now be at the turning point where you are what you hunted. It would leave room for a new balance between the interactions of the federation and samus, as well as give opportunity for other Bounty Hunters to be set on hunting Samus (would give the whole chase between Samus and the guy from "Hunters" a whole new perspective, like "I was hired by the federation to keep an eye on you, but since you are now a Metroid, the Federation pays me a huge amount to strike you down."
Thats also the biggest thing i was missing in the credits. Having no real information as of what Samus now is with the Reverse from the X, as well as how the rest of the universe will look at her. Will she still be a bounty hunter? (i mean, she now is considered the "strongest warrior"). Will clients not take her out of fear that she is a universe destroying entity that can basically absorb anything she touches to absorb and enhance herself? Will this also be a new aspect as of why Samus gains powers in the upcoming games? (Usually felt a bit odd that all the chozo statues usually give you the things you already had, like Plasma, varia, gravity, bombs, etc.) They could make it that you power yourself up to regenerate lost abilities or just simply absorb aspects of enemies that use them, instead of killing and looting bugs to get bombs?
I know people get ideas for things they watch or play and come up with ideas they would like to see happen. A lot of what was talked about sounds like a rom hack idea (if that's even possible with Dread). I think the main issue I take with a lot of fan ideas is how it goes against what has been established, not just story, but fundamentally changes who a character is and what they are like throughout the story.
I'm not saying this does that, but It could easily stray from what we know of the characters. It reminds me of someone's take on the Trunks character from Dragon Ball Z. I forget what it was exactly the suggested, but I remember the idea completely ignored EVERYTHING that made Trunks, Trunks, and showed they lacked even the most basic understanding of both his character and the struggles he lived through up to that point.
I think the ideas presented in this could become a game itself, and I think Nintendo made this game the way it is so they'd have a vast amount of options for future games without painting themselves into a corner. We won't know until Metroid 6 what that looks like.
Well if we are giving Raven Beak a warship like place... why not have a biolab on it that is showing signs of new samus's being grown? I mean might be too Res evil vibs or Vitality vibs but hey it is what Raven Beaks plan is... to use the planet as sort of a samus metroid playground.
I'm gonna be honest while I like the addition of a context for destroying the planet and everything pre Raven Beak fight... everything else feels too much...
Like this is the exact problem I have for stories of Zero Mission and Samus Returns. The extra content that is fun as gameplay but really really anti climactic and damaging for the pacing of the story.
Like Mecha Ridley in Zero Mission feels way too apart in that games story same with Ridley in SR and to me sadly in this what if.
Metroid Suit is cool yes but it's cool factor comes from it also acting as a Hyper Beam type suit. To me you shouldn't have an extra big section with that suit. Only thing I would've wanted is a New Game Plus option for it.
Same with Raven Beak. Original Raven Beak fight simply is the best final boss in the series with it feeling that final with all the build up. And suddenly taking away the final boss spot from him to show a x version of him waaaaaay later feels like a really pointless extra that damages the games pacing hard.
The thing also hurts with this rewrite is literally making an entire section of the game just action without collecting anything. Which would again feel pace breaking A LOT. Even if the idea is "showing" this sections dark atmosphere.
I would simply add some of this extra stuff before the final fight with Raven Beak and change nothing about that fight.
I completely agree with you
>"I would simply add some of this extra stuff before the final fight with Raven Beak and change nothing about that fight."
Completely agree. Hanubia needs some more content, sure, so it's not like this video has no reason to exist. But the Itorash is fine as it is, Raven Beak is perfect as he is, we don't need to over-egg an already amazing pudding
Things we could add would be some hint of Quiet Robe helping us, being more clear with the destruction of the planet and having the possibility to play as the metroid suit and zss for a ng+.
I would say this feels both unnecessary and unneeded. Once you defeat Raven Beak, you feel that sense of accomplishment, you feel like you finish the game, that is why when he transforms, you only need the beam the kill him and then to escape.
Having to go for an extra hour or three pass the "final boss" will feel like padding and kill the momentum, having to fight another boss after Raven Beak will make him feel like a mid boss instead of the final boss he is, not to mention that Samus in her Metroid form is meant to feel powerful, so much that she can't fully contain the power, nerfing that in order to be able to explore an extra area would make the whole overpower point mute.
To me the ending was perfect and it would have definitely sour my experience if after that moment of "yes I beat him" I would have to spend and extra hour to three more to finish the game.
I agree, I just have the compulsion to let you know that you said the video was unnecessary and unnecessary.
The chozotroid lowkey reminds me of the space pirates mochtroids from super. Similar capabilities, but not true metroids
Imagine a bonus armor that is the armor in the artwork of the famicom Metroid
Great ideas for more story! And a playable Raven Beak sub-game would be a dream!
More time with the metroid suit was the main thing I wanted, but I understand why they didn't. Its reveal in the Raven Beak fight was pivotal to the climax, and hanging around after what has been clearly built as the final boss just wouldn't feel right. It would end up requiring some more fundamental changes to the plot. Nonetheless, great video.
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That Samus!! ONLY Agent 47 should have 5 Dads. #NOMOREDADSFORSAMUS
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As always, excellent quality video.
Fantastic idea;
Top notch production.
The graveyard scene gives me gosebomps.
What graveyard scene?
"We have released the Ultimate Warriors. They have far exceeded our expectations.
As well as our control.
Even so, we are stricken with guilt and grief as we leave them in a universe that is not ready for their existence.
Pray for their success.
Pray for the safety of all life in the cosmos."
"Our Legacy" -- Unknown Chozo
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Okay but an army of evolved Metroids would still tear through the galaxy like a knife through butter. 10 foot tall nearly invincible life-sucking aliens are still pretty hard to beat.
Especially considering those times when people (Pirates and Ringleaders) tried to remove their one weakness on two separate occasions.
I love all these ideas! Dread is one of my favourite games ever and I didn’t really give too much thought to the end of the game cuz my first play through took me 10 hours to beat & 12 to 100% so I didn’t feel like the game was rushed at all and I’ve played through it many times! I especially love your visual edits & using the mod for the Metroid suit to help showcase your unique story and additions to the game, it really gave the feeling of new content! 👏👏👏 wonderful video
I have to respectfully disagree. In my opinion, all the ending of Dread needed was a bit of dialogue explaining Quiet Robe X's actions at the very end.
I love the name "Jutanka", it sounds like an expansion of the word "Junk." Perhaps just like how Elun is a decrepit version of Hanubia, Jutanka is a much more messy, decrepit but more highly advanced Dairon? Maybe because it was thrown together during desperate circumstances- they NEEDED to rush this facility. It just needs to be technologically advanced, not pretty. Keeping it clean and inhabitable is not an priority, creating Metroids is all that matters. It would be an interesting way of visually demonstrating how the Mawkin's priorities are kept even when the world is falling apart around them as a result. "Power is everything" to a detrimental degree.
Also, personally, I think it'd be WAY more interesting if Raven Beak DID get infected by the X parasite upon Itorash crashing... but you didn't kill him, or even fight him right away, for that matter. Perhaps he escapes and, as you explore Jutanka, occasionally you hear crashes or booms in the distance, or other signs of his presence lurking around the facility. Entirely conscious of his goals even despite his monsterous form. Still thinking, planning, looking for things. Both Samus and Raven Beak by this point would be exploring the same decrepit facility after undergoing a major transformation.
Also I'd kill for a Raven Beak playable story. He has a power suit, so gameplay wouldn't be that different. Honestly you could even make it into a full game to add onto Dread.
This would be a great DLC. Nintendo won't ever make it, but it would be the extra content would be great and capitalises on some missed opportunities. I particularly like the bit with Quiet Robe. Showing the X version reliving Quiet Robe's recent life would further solidify why it let's Samus absorb it in the end cutscene. That reason being the X essentially became a duplicate of him. (Which I noticed you mentioned in a caption at 19:19)
First of all I would've exploit the presence of Silent Robe a little more like having a specific mission of seeking something for him before returning to his location and then he gets killed by the chozo robot then the Jutanka location I think could've been the federation ship that we can see at the far of Hanubia and where the EMMIS came, there the red EMMI would have its own maze and EMMI zone also we would have fought a Mother Brain/Aurora Unit boss like to gain the armor shield aeon ability from Samus Returns and finally the end I think the section of overcharging the Cataris reactor is a nice argument to destroy the planet and the final boss with Raven Beak I would extend only a 1 phase boss fight with Raven Beak X having the ability of transforming into other bosses and at the end having the secuence of the Kraid like Raven Beak just to escape the planet. Also with the rewards I think the chozo memories should be 30s cutscenes from each area, also that we could unlock all 2D aesthetic suits as rewards from speed, damage taken, and % completed such as Super Metroid, Fusion, Samus Returns and so on and finally having a Zero Suit Samus cutscene at the end of the game. I think this could've been a much much better game than what we end up having wich don't get me wrong, Metroid Dread is still a masterpiece as it is.
Yeah the endgame felt kinda rushed but I thought it was amazing. One of the best final hours in a nintendo game for me. I think the story on its own wrapped it greatly. Yeah there couldve been changes to fit more and feel less "go go get to the end" but I still enjoyed it. Only part i think that they desperately needed was something like fusion where we see adam or samus' thoughts after the whole thing
I also think they wrapped up the saga by Samus taking out a chozo and one that's been built up to. All while getting rid of the X and Metroids completely. Samus being the last Metroid is also amazing, her literally becoming the title name of the series and living up to the "Ultimate Warrior" title. Metroids are gone but will always be in the story via Samus
If I could take one of you that you came up with its definitely to have mutant chozo warriors that don't match up to Samus' capabilities in terms of Metroid like qualities.
I would add to the post credits scene is that Anthony Higgs (with a new armor) appears behind Samus and says something to her and then they walks towards the camera in a heroic way. Kinda foreshadowing the new story in which Samus Aran and Anthony Higgs are both Bounty Hunters on an adventure and seemingly on the run from the Federation which are now fully corrupt and now threatens the galaxy.
"Remember me?"
Not a fan of having the whole GF be corrupted, but I like the idea of a new story with Anthony returning fighting against the corrupted faction of the GF.
Very cool idea. But I don't think the Federation as a whole are corrupt. More or less, they have been compromised. The Pirate Log entries in Prime 3 mention they have double agents and conspirators within the Federation. The so-called Ringleaders in Other M could be a part of the Pirate Conspiracy. Metroids have the potential for incredible breakthroughs in Medical Science but the Conspiracy has other ideas. Who knows, while they never intended MB to go rogue, they most likely decided to take advantage of her delivering the Bottle Ship's bioweapon cargo to attack the Federation Capital on Earth so they use it as coup overthrow the higher-ups.
I actually don't mind the Raven Beak prequel being a CGI short film as a way to promote the game similar to Star Fox Zero with their anime OVA
Yeah, that could work.
Works better that way too, since raven beak presumably spent years dealing with the X invasion on ZDR.
Looking at your Metroid Suit recolors, they look so siiiiiick. The Gravity Metroid Suit in particular looks gorgeous
It was clear that the ending was rushed. So this will be interesting
Probably because you didn't get it
well we all know how nintendo is with deadlines and pushing their workers and employees past their breaking point especially with metroid
@@dis_inferno9173 I see you're just as much of a jackhole on RUclips as you are on Discord... Cohgi.
Idk how it was rushed. It seems pretty conclusive to me. Pretty standard Metroid ending
@@ridley2172yeah we all know they are one of the only companies to not rush their employees to death ?
"We all know" no we don't, they litteraly are always never afraid to report deadlines and treat their developpers with respect.
Really stupid comment.
Imagine a spin off game that you play a honorable and outstanding Mawkin soldier just to reveal at the end that Chozo is Raven Beak, something like Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker that you play as Naked Snake moments before he embrace the Title Big Boss
Hmm, in my opinion the revised ending doesn't really convey how uncontrollably powerful Metroid samus is. It makes the removal of the suit at the end seem like more of a plot copout for future games instead of a neccesity and relief for the rest of the galaxy. One thing I enjoyed about the breakneck pace of Hanubia is that it effectively communicates how awakened Samus is becoming uncontrollably powerful, a fact that makes Raven Beak's of a samus army more tangible
This game really was something special. Just a fun game that knows how to be a fun game.
“Whatever that thing is”
Oh poor prime
It's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure I agree with adding more bosses and content after the Raven Beak fight. Maybe add your Jutanka idea before heading to Itorash?
That Space Pirate Intern sure could use a raise.
The narrative artworks are gorgeous. Whoever made them, good job!
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I love it! I think it would be great to give the ending more context. The only thing I would change is the fight in the lab should be Ridley LOL I know, I know, it wouldn't make sense but I missed him in the game.
Talks about a place for advanced bio weapon captives , also puts pandæmonium (savage) music in the background. Bonus for the lyrics of the specific song, “silence, born into violence” I see what you did
Alright... That end scene suggestion straight up gave me chills. The monument and names was just wow!
I don't like anything after Raven Beak boss fight. The game ends greatly after that, anything is just diminishing the effect of one of the best boss battles in any videogame.
Changing something before it's ok as it feel rushed without much reward, after is just fine as it is.
I don't know if better Hearing would be fitting for the Red Emmi, the Power-Ups they give you are more related to what they do.
The White Emmi gave you the Spider Magnet to climb since it climbed on walls, the Green gave you the Morph Ball since it could crawl through small gaps, the yellow one gave you speed Booster Because it was fast as heck, the Blue one gave you Ice Missiles Because it could freeze you when spotted, the purple one had the Wave Beam and it used them for looking through walls and shooting huge but slow electric Projectiles that go through walls and stunn you (if you remember Metroid Prime, you know that the Wave Beam is an electricity-based beam, so this makes kinda sense that it stuns you), but what should better Hearing have to do with the Power of a Tiny Nuke?
I think Mechatroid would be a better name for the Chozotroid.
15:16 How about “Chozoid” for the name? It has the “-oid” from Metroid at the end of “Chozo,” plus it’s similar to the word “humanoid” which means human in appearance.
Like idea of it makes more sense
I think the one thing I was the most confused by is why did Quiet Robe X undo Samus's Metroid Mutation? X only care about their own preservation and helping the last Metroid, their natural enemy is detrimental to that very goal.
I think the idea is that Quiet Robe's soul affected the X
Back in Metroid Fusion. Adam stated that higher level thinking intelligent life forms was kind of a new thing for the X when infecting them. As they would still at first act on instinct to kill the metroids by any means as seen from the scientist back on the space station. However, I believe over time the X will continue to act more and more like these intelligent beings they have become. As we have seen when from SA-X defending Samus from the Omega Metroid. It could have easily taken down samus, but instead aided her. As we all know that 'Samus' will always protect the weak and defenseless as the heroine she is.
Because when x parasites infect someone they take their memories so the x that infect quiet robe help samus because he had quiet robe memories.
@@thecharly5588 This. I feel like anyone questioning this don't understand something real simple - X is just a parasite. It just wants to live. To that end, it's not "evil". It just wants to LIVE. It is victim to its host
Either the last vestiges of Quiet Robe's control in a final act, or an interesting manifestation of the X's goal in getting rid of their natural enemy in metroids, not by attempting to fight awakened samus, but remove the metroid power
I love how this makes use of kraivenbeak x as a boss
"Kaivenbeak X", oh that's pretty clever
Another Metroid video? More like a SADU video, we have the Sadu chibi then the tower of SADU playing in the back
NGL, I would probbly change Ravenbeak being infected by an X parasite, as I feel that he would have been a good nemesis for Samus in future games. Insted I would have it that the purple X paparasite could swap forms at will (Perhaps even adapting to certain threats).
A whole segment for the metroid suit? Yes pls.
Dude that's brilliant!! I was a little disapointed for that quick end to the game too, I mean compared to other great metroidvania games like Hollow knight or blasphemous dread it's short
Tbh, i would have stopped playing after the og raven dude battle in this alternate universe. Some of these ideas feel overwhelming to me, gameplay-wise
The fact that those ships were missing in the original game, makes me think that a couple of Chozo-X made it out into the galaxy.
I love the use of Azys Lla b-roll for Jutanka.
The ending was a big disappointment for dread. They kept talking about how this is a conclusion to the story yet we didn't get any such conclusion
Yah, the only part about the end that was actually cool was the Raven Beak fight itself!
I see an alternate timeline in which Dread’s ending plays out as you’ve written it here, and in your review of the game, you have negative feelings about the ending.
There is no better ending they could have written than closing the game almost immediately after the battle against Raven Beak. Not only is it one of the best boss fights in the series, it’s one of the best final bosses in any video game ever. Putting anything after it, especially a second fight against Raven Beak (a character who is shown to be *so determined* to defeat you that he rips off one of his wings in the final battle because it would get in the way), would turn the most tense moment in the entire series into a non-climax. The ending of the game comes quickly because Raven Beak orchestrated the whole scenario, and the instant Samus displayed her Metroid abilities nothing else was necessary, so he funnels her to him.
He knows Samus can’t (won’t) leave without exterminating the X; that’s why he directs her to open the fortress they’re locked in. Samus would *never* willingly leave ZDR without going to Raven Beak, not even for a “bad ending”.
The ending is fast because making it fast was the correct choice.
Man some of these ideas as a mod would be epic.
Having ZSS as a cosmetic to equip for antoher playthrough would've been nice.
I like the design of the gravity suit much more after Quietrobe is absorbed. It looks more complete.
I am pretty impressed with this idea. I didn't expect much, but I want to play this!
Another great video, Orpheon! While I think some of your ideas go a bit overboard (sorry!), I think a side mode starting a playable Raven Beak would be badass, and is an awesome idea! Nintendo already does stuff like this too, like in Kirby, where you have a Magolor epilogue. Would have been fun
and then Dark samus joins the fight
imagine if ridley just randomly appeared when u got to the ship it wouldve been funny
Really great idea. Metroid endgames has always felt a little lackluster in general. I really think the game could use a “Dr Wily castle”. A huge area that puts all your abilities to the test, because usually when you get the last ability, it’s only the cleanup and the final boss left.
I seriously love these kinds of rewrites as I wish this could be done so bad I would pay for dread again for something like this if it did come out.
I could also see the mod community doing this in a few years.
Funny intro!
The Metroid abilities aren’t spoiled they briefly hinted that on your first encounter with the purple Emmi
My slight grip with it is that it was mainly an improvement over Fusion instead of Super; but thankfully it retrieved back what was lost with SRR. Less teleporters and more connected rooms and corridors would have been more welcomed, and a return to sequence breaking that wasn't intended but a pure result of emerging gameplay beyond what the devs intend would have been a good start... (also for the love of god Sakamoto, give back single wall-jumping and don't force inertia. And return moonwalk.)
Dread especially offering ways to tackle certain bosses in a different order would have been even better to break the rail-roadish progression at times. Still, Metroid's back on the right tracks, that's always a pleasure.
your finally back
great video as always man!
I would love to have a metroid mode where you get to mud stomp the game wit the metroid suit
I hate when games leave the most powerful upgrades and abilities for the last 5 minutes of the game
Saying your ideas are very nice would be an understatement, and probably redundant at force.
But either way, I'm still going to do it because I literally cannot shut up and I love them too much.
Expanding Hanubia was indeed necessary, its size was underwhelming to say the least, and adding a mechanism specific to Hanubia really adds to the exploration and gameplay. This would allow the player to appreciate the Wave Beam even more, even though I'm still sad the Plasma Beam isn't the last beam or that the Wave Beam doesn't spin anymore.
Where I think some ideas are diverging is when it comes to the E.M.M.I. zones. I do love the maze theme you talked about, but I do wonder how playable it would be with the E.M.M.I.'s ability if it stuns you like in the cutscene. Something to avoid that issue would be if it only used it once it gets close to you (like a few meters away instead of a whole other room), using shortcuts you can only access with the Morph Ball after the zone is cleared.
As for the Central Unit, I personally believe it would be nice to get to fight against it, perhaps with some new attacks or mechanics to spice things up. Once you absorb its energy and get the Omega Canon, you exit the room but the E.M.M.I. is not here. You run forward a bit until a Power Bomb is dropped from somewhere and it stuns you, leaving the E.M.M.I. to get out of a shortcut on top of you and catch Samus.
She would still absorb its energy before the Red Chozo Soldier appears (I don't think you mentioned it on your video, I don't remember already) and you fight it.
It could have a slightly different move set, standing still for a few seconds at some point to destroy its shield with the Omega Stream and Omega Canon before absorbing the X, and getting the Power Bomb, removing the Omega Canon at the same time.
As for the locks, perhaps they could be hidden in the E.M.M.I. zones, being only accessible after using Power Bombs, making the player enjoy its usage for exploration on top of accessing Energy Tanks, Missiles Tanks, and Power Bomb tanks.
Samus would then fight Raven Beak, although I would make the fight a bit shorter, removing Phase 3, and instead replacing it with a quick cutscene where Samus thinks she's got the upper hand but gets caught. She awakens her Metroid DNA, but the energy absorption for Raven Beak would be less brutal (for reasons seen later).
Afterwards, once Itorash crashes and Samus wakes up, she finds herself in her Metroid Suit before it lights up and disappears, revealing a fully healed version of the Power Suit (I would imagine something like the Gravity Suit from SR but with silver instead of yellow and the Metroid dots on the back of the suit). Samus would feel tired because of the massive change in her, before standing up and going forth into Jutanka, meeting the real Adam and all.
Now, whenever she uses the melee counter to parry, she could either shoot her opponent or charge at it and absorb its energy.
Everything is basically the same, except she could get the Aeion abilities Raven Beak used, so the Electric Armor and the Beam Burst (replacing the beam buff in a way) and perhaps even the Ice Beam considering Raven Beak would have needed it to make Metroids more docile. Once she finds the elevator to Cataris, she can explore the planet again, and even go back to her ship to recharge her health and ammo before continuing down the road.
The shields that Samus must absorb in your video would behave a bit differently. Samus could choose between absorbing their energies, and therefore allowing the X-Parasites access to the rooms previously inaccessible, or passing through them, which would still lock the X-Parasites away, but would deactivate some of Samus' abilities, keeping players on their toes.
Absorbing the shields would allow access to the X-Parasites, going into the next rooms but also making the enemies harder, perhaps even adding some mini-bosses that wouldn't be here had Samus just passed through the shield.
Not having the Metroid Suit would not strip Samus of her missiles or her Aeion abilities, meaning there wouldn't be a drastic change of gameplay that could ruin the fun in some way.
Then, we get to the new Experiment Boss. Things would stay the same, except I would have Quiet Robe-X struggling a bit, as if his Thoha DNA was affecting the X-Parasite in some way (I would love to discuss it more on your Discord server if you're willing to listen, I'm Nep or @NepDoesArt).
Samus defeats the experiment and meets Raven Beak, visibly weakened, but still standing.
This is where Phase 3 of the fight would come, having an even stronger Samus fighting against Raven Beak. This time, the phase would end with Samus restricting Raven Beak's arm canon either with her hand or with the Ice Beam. Either way, the two are locked together, hands against arm canons, before Samus feels a surge of Adrenaline and the Metroid Suit begins to appear, making its appearance awaited with visual cues during the cutscene.
Samus would then absorb the Hyper Beam and get back. Raven Beak would try and shoot, but the arm canon's tip explodes, leaving the canon to disappear and leaving him vulnerable to any X, unable to destroy them. He would get infected, and then everything else would be the same as in your video.
The only thing I would change for the post-credit scene is some of the names on the Chozo Sanctuary. If I recall correctly, Old Bird and Platinum Chest survived Zebes in the Manga, thanks to Samus and her friends, although Grey Voice sacrificed himself.
If I'm not wrong, then I would remove those names, and make them bow with Samus in front of the sanctuary to honour those who fell. The scene would then end with Samus speaking Chozo, probably something like "May you finally rest, my friend."
Overall, those are the "only" changes I would make with the scenario you proposed, but honestly, I would have never imagined all of this had it not been for your amazing work.
I always love watching your videos, being informative, fun, and overall very enjoyable to watch.
I do hope you'll have a great day and I thank you for reading my comment!
I like that idea but how do we add all 3 armors the other Metroid we add the chozo and we also add the emmi
Bro I love this except for the part where u say see those ships get destroyed there hon the flew away man that’s the next game games this detailed don’t miss stuff like that
I hope Metroid 6 they deliver on Federation Corruption
I need the ART of samus metroid suit 😢😢😢😢
I do think Itorash and Jutanga would have to swap names for this, since thw letter order goes from deepest into the planet to highest above the planet
But you have to be on certain difficulties to get either one the Metroid you can be Beat It on normal mode you get the Metroid armor you beat it on hard you get the Emmy you beat it on dread mode and you get the Raven beat I just seems like a cool idea richest skins witches make your armor look cool that's all the Final 14 beat me on the dread mode you get an extra energy tank a few missiles Phantoms and something else
I think gameplay-wise your idea is good but story-wise it needs a lot of work.
For example Samus despised the Mawklin tribe enough to destroy Raven beak utterly rather than unlock his massive potential power for herself, it would be the other tribe's armor she might honor.
As far as continuations... I personally hope our next game we don't play as Samus, but rather we "awaken" in a pod with no armor(zero suit), with "memories" up until Samus woke up on ZDR to find the power fluctuating in the facility and other "Samus" Zero suits with similar experiences being hunted by 2 Mawklin X and what we think is an SA-X, only to endgame twist that we were created by a facility on auto-pilot by Raven beak during the events of Dread and the X found us to destroy us just like they did in Fusion, then Samus found us and assumed we were X she had tracked from ZDR, allowing the game to offer multiplayer experiences in puzzles and reboot the series without forcing Samus to lose power while also having an SA-X level threat without the threat being the X.
Dread felt super rushed at the end. The game also never really followed up on Samus going rouge. That was the hook fans were most excited about after Fusion but instead it's about some chozo who was only ever retroactively included into the series via s remake. Sequentially Dread is a Fusion sequel but narrativly it feels like a Samus Retuns sequel as weird as that sounds.
Fusion never set that up. That 'federation bad" plotline was bad transation.
@@ghosty2548 I don't even think it was from a bad translation. In game Samus was following Adam's orders and the ending left her hopeful that people would understand why they had to do what they did. The rogue theory was always just conjecture.
While I think the idea is interesting, I think having the last fight and ending playing out like it did was perfect. I would, however, have added more stuff to do before that and I would have given to the red emmi a true area and fight.
As cool as this is, I actually don't mind the one we got (and you said as much). However, getting there is what bothers me. It feels like the dev team had two different ideas for the game, and they tore the ending off of one version and stitched it to the body of the other. My biggest complaint is Adam. At what point did Adam become Raven Beak? It feels super out of the blue because there isn't a portion of the game I can point to and go, "Aha! I didn't catch that at first, but it all makes sense now!" I also wish we had just *one* more glimpse of Samus awakening her Metroid powers prior to her getting jumped by that random animal in Hanubia. Lastly, I really felt like the self-destruction of the planet was out of place. Like, yeah, Itorash crashed into the surface. That was enough to make the planet go nuclear? That doesn't seem right to me. But, other than that, baller game, baller what-if, and if I was talented enough to do this myself, I would.
The moment he starts saying "Samus" instead of "Lady" when ending things. Reminder that, although it's a dumb reason, whenever Adam is serious, he will say "Any Objections, Lady?"
While I personally dislike it, it is a trait you can use to tell it was never him, from the moment they lost connection.
@Grace_Scarlett i hear what you're saying, but isn't the last time he calls her "Lady" when we're flashing back to her taking the elevator down to Artaria? I don't know. Maybe I'm just dumb
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"Always has been."
The game was amazing, that final boss was great and memorable, I just wished it lasted longer than a day or that there were more things to do.
I know Metroid as a whole has always been very speed runner centric with countdowns and whatnot. But I really hope prime 4 has replayability and items to collects and things to do aside from replaying the entire game
The addition of an actual cause for the planet exploding would be nice. Also personally I’d eliminate the genetic connection Samus has to RB (causes too much confusion in the timeline for a cliched “daughter-moment”.
I'm not a huge fan of the "bad ending" idea where you leave the planet, but other than that this is FANTASTIC and I now wish we got this instead.
Star Force 3 music based!
interisting! i also didnt realize the area is in alphabetical order
A prequel where you play as Raven Beak would be cool. I was hoping he'd get more screen time to build up his character. Killing him off after one game also was a mistake in my opinion.
this idea is awesome, i did't played the game, but i wish it could be implemented to the game
I love this idea
I'm just glad that Metroid Dread proved itself and did so well, saleswise. Hopefully that'll mean that we get an ending that isn't rushed next time, especially with the rumors running around that they're already working on Metroid 6.
As for the video's scenario, I definitely love it. The Metroid Suit being just a countdown sequence upgrade works well enough since Super Metroid also did a super powered form for its escape sequence, so using the suit in such a way worked fine as a callback to Super. Heck, even the playable Raven Beak mini story would be awesome. I'm just glad that Metroid is in good hands now.
My problem with the ending of dread is that it introduced raven beak and killed him same game. He's an "evil chozo" hell him just being a living chozo is enough to keep him around for one more game at least. Samus honestly got a bit too strong, too fast, too soon in the context of the game. At the very least it can be said that without metroid ex machina raven beak was never gonna lose to Samus, but he did so what now? Sylux better step up his game if he's gonna be any kind of threat in a future title.
I would have loved if the ending played out differently. I really don't like the last Emmi. I don't like how you just run into it and instantly kill it and get the power bombs. I wish it was like all the other ones and there was an area for it and having to track down the central unit. I love the Raven Beak fight and sequences but I've always found it strange that suddenly ZDR is just going to explode after Itorash crashes. It seemingly happens for no reason
This sounds like parts of Metroid Zero Mission?
I don’t think it was rushed I had fun and enjoyed the ending
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Or a quick learner, like me.
As cool as this what if is, I don't know if it fits. It feels like a bit too much. The either prologue, on the other hand, would be cool to see.
The Chozo end up fighting against the Space Pirates but...what if the Chozo ARE the Space Pirates and Mother Brain simply mutated the non-scientific side of the Chozo Civilization into more easily controllable creatures, pretty much deleted the Chozo out of them and is using that advanced race to do all the powerful things she manages to accomplish.