What about the sincere Jew? Romans
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- Опубликовано: 4 мар 2017
- Romans answers this question for us in detail. As Paul give out the gospel it begins with universal guilt and ends with a universal offer of grace through Christ alone. This isn't just about Jewish people. Any religious person needs to realize that they fall short and desperately need the grace of Jesus.
I love the fact that you mentioned that we should never completely rely on the preacher/teacher for the truth, but that we should search out the Scriptures ourselves. Praying that you continue to stay humble, and preach the truth.
I always felt I was a "good" person. Certainly not as bad as Adolf Hitler. It wasnt until I realized God's sovereign Holiness that I realized how evil,yes evil, I am. I thank God for these videos during these unprecedented times of lockdown.
i guess it's kinda randomly asking but do anyone know of a good site to stream new series online ?
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This is VERY true. I remember the first time I approached my pastor with a bible question based on something he said during the sermon that I felt contradicted the bible, and boy did he not take it well. People in authority, which pastors are, don't like when their authority is questioned, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't question it. In fact, you should be MORE willing to confront your pastor, because, if he's teaching faulty doctrine, it effects not only you, but the whole of his flock, and the bible says he'll be judged harshly for that.
My God-fearing mother used to say, “You can be sincere but be sincerely wrong.”
I love mike teaching I pay a lot of attention to what preacher teach and teacher preach and he is one of the first teachers that i have listen to and enjoyed and found no fault in their word and trust and believe I listen for error . I love these RUclips videos and always can't wait for the next.
So good
Completely agree!
Same! I always pray for descernment before starting a study, so far Mike has sent no red flags and I can back his teaching with scripture during solo studies. Wonderful to see a loving teacher who is concerned with his own responsibility and role as a Pastor.
He says so at the same find fault with catholic faith.
Excellent EXEGESIS enjoyed this teaching God bless you thank you pastor Mike
Mr. Winger, please continue with your videos. The light of the Word is better to understand as you preach.
I Enjoyed your teaching thank you for your obedience to the Lord.
Great explanation of Romans 2:17-29. Thank you.
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I have made this exact statement MANY times, yet every time I do, people jump all over me and scream "you can't say that, only God and they know if they're saved". Each time I just say "James 2". A God serving life is the outcome of true salvation. Jesus said many time, in one way or another, something along the lines of "you will know them by their fruit". So, if a person isn't producing Godly fruit, then you should doubt their faith.
Years ago, our pastor preached a sermon on the fruit of the Spirit, and said that while we can be fruit inspectors. In this way, we can tell who’s truly being led by the Spirit and who’s not. This includes pastors and evangelists.
Thanks Pastor Mike
When talking about verses starting with 25, in my opinion you’re describing a form of moral licensing. Great talk, thanks.
Thank you Mike!
Thank you.
Thank you
Ha! I didn't know you talk about unicorns in church! I need to start going! Entertaining!
Really?! My pastor never mentioned a unicorn :(
Not the proper takeaway
So, Strange question. What is the name of the song he sings at the end of these old videos?
hey mike, could i have your teachings on paper, so i could translate them into portuguese, spanish?
thx man.
If you speak both, why not just jot down what he says?
@@dw-rh6fb Transcription takes a TON of time. If he can get it from Mike, he could do it with an app and save a ton of time.
You should call his church, it would be a much better way of reaching him.
“ Let’s all read John 4:21-24 What Jesus Our Almighty Lord Savior Said.
At 12:59 The Radium Girls...I read a book about them, it was hideous what they suffered. They were painting clock numbers with radium to glow, and the brushes were finicky, so they'd put the brush in their mouth in-between brushes to make a point on the brush tip. The story is also about business not wanting to fess up for harming employees. Ugly.
Mike it sounds like you are saying that we are all sinners so we need to come to Jesus for forgiveness so that we can receive the grace to live a life that is acceptable to God and do the good works , which God prepared in advance for us to do?
Mike, there are not a lot of comments on this one. Do you think you might have crossed the faith plus works line?
kevin wynn That is exactly right (your first post). That was the point of Jesus' death. He covered us, all sinners, and with the new heart that we get when we are born again through the Holy Spirit we are helped to do the good works for the Lord. We can do nothing in our own strength, especially not save ourselves.
Dianna, thanks the last part of my first post was actually from Ephesians 2:10. I was noticing that Mike seemed to be saying something that is actually what the church I belong to teaches but he has seemed to misunderstand in the past. I'm hoping he will come around eventually and I pray for him regularly. But I was prodding him and I shouldn't have done that. I hope you will both forgive me.
Yes!
HEARD IT
31:00 - The point of Romans 1, 2, and 3
31:24, 31:45 - the prophets
At 6:00 - Honest scientists do not claim authority outside of their specialized field, and they WILL say I Don’t Know when they don’t know
Not true at all, scientists claim science understands reality almost perfectly and will simply refer to other scientists when they themselves don't know something implying or outright stating we do know but it's just someone else that has the truth instead of not having the truth at all
Same as a sincere Buddhist, I reckon.
I need Jesus I wish he would save me
He already has on the cross .
What was done years ago on the cross wasn’t just for that moment , time or generations but to come including you & me .
I really think.... Lol. Seems like people don't think critically. If they did, our society would value learning more. How many adults take classes after HS and college?
RIP Larry King
why even bother use the phrase “good luck” when preaching the word of God?
You point recognition/credit to Jesus in your prayer. Why not god? That seems like what Jesus would have done. Curious as to why. Great lecture.
Chris, do you believe in the Triune God - Father (God), Son (Jesus) & Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit)? I'm sure this is why he was crediting Jesus, they are three in one. Think of an egg - it consists of three distinct parts, the yolk, the white & the shell, but it is still one egg. I know it is confusing, but this example helped me to better understand it. Hope this helps out.
@@robynsimmons3711 Yes, as a three in one as scripture says, one in purpose, one in objective (alignment), likely one in power but if they are comparably powerful, it wouldn't be a surprise although it is not the doctrine I see in the scripture, but not as a physical one. I just think it is odd and interesting that many that an approach that seems so different. Is there something in Acts or all the Epistles that leads you to think other wise?
Jesus is God. There is no other God besides Jesus.
@@robynsimmons3711 trinity is a false doctrine. Jesus is God, and there is no other God.
@@dw-rh6fb I respect your opinion, but I was taught that God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost) are one - all equal, all co-eternal. I believe this to be true.
Mike Winger, my husband says he is a agnostic. We were talking about God and we always seem to come to a point of disagreement at the topic of free will. I explain to him that God is relational and wants us to love Him but by our own wills not by His. He believes that our "wills" are based on brain chemistry and our total sum of our experiences... though I don't completely disagree with him... I explain original sin. We both enter into the Garden of Eden in thought with Eve and the Serpent making their exchange with one another with the rest of the scene set, and I ask him who sinned? Adam, Eve, or the Serpent? My husbands response, "God's". "God made Adam and Eve''s brain/mind, He even made Satan's brain/mind. He knows the beginning from the end.... He determines their experiences and therefore determines there decisions, hence it is God's sin". I have notice that my husband takes great offense if someone assumes he has ever sinned in his life which is what made me think of the Israelites which of course is an example of humanity, but is why I bring this up on this video. What can I study to understand this thinking. I have more understanding of the thinking of a Muslim, a Moron or even a Jehovah Witness then I do my own husband. Do you have any advice?
God created the whole planet and gave them only 1 thing that they can't do, he had to give them that option or their was never really free will. Their choice was to follow God or not, he never tempted them, he never guided their attention to it, He said don't eat it or you'll die. Pray for his eyes to be opened sister
Ask your husband if he warned you not to drive the car because the brakes are out, would it be his fault if you ignored him and crashed the car?
I realize this comment is old, but for addressing the point raised: when people say they don't believe we have free will, I watch closely to see if they ever express how behavior should be different. For example, you said he takes offense if anyone suggests he has sinned. I find it illogical for someone who genuinely disbelieves free will to ever take offense at someone's words or actions. If that person truly didn't have free will they had no choice in saying/doing the offensive thing. With no free will there can be no right or wrong, no justice, law becomes a vain formality and the concept of "should" or "ought" becomes meaningless. There would be no such thing as a mistake - because you could never have done otherwise.
Show him inspiringphilosophy's video on whether the brain is the source of consciousness. It's pretty enlightening.
Why does Paul address the "sincere Jew" saying, "if you call yourself a Jew"?
If you read through Romans 2:12-29, it should make sense. He says "if you call yourself a Jew" to contrast that with saying "For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly."
@LearningSpanish-zf6xz so, Paul is claiming these "jews" are sincerely wrong about their Jewishness?
Acording to Webster 1828 COVET, v.t.
1. To desire or wish for, with eagerness; to desire earnestly to obtain or possess; in a good sense.
Covet earnestly the best gifts. 1 Corinthians 12.
2. To desire inordinately; to desire that which it is unlawful to obtain or possess; in a bad sense.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors house, wife or servant. Exodus 20.
COVET, v.i. To have an earnest desire. 1 Timothy 6.
Why would mearly trying to follow God's law ever be enough on its own. You wouldnt stand in front of a judge and say "your honor, I really tried to not rob that bank but I gave into my temptations and robbed it anyway" and expect to not be held accountable for the crime you committed.
Scientism (a religion that sounds like it's scientific) still teaches that life springs from non-life. Listen to any popular program on space exploration. Listen to the pseudo-scientists who talk about "the building blocks of life". Did you discover water on Titan? Well, water is one of the building blocks of life, therefore, there might be life on Titan. That is the current state of the spontaneous life generation "art" (myth).
Prager is great. Judaism has such a larger tradition in works,not beleif that I can understand why he'd try to push toward works as a justification. Saying they are earning heaven, seems dishonest. True that they work based, maybe I need to reread the ot looking for grace teachings.
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For the audience: Jesus said: "It is finished." Finished once and for all b/c we can never be perfect. Keep it simple. Judas Iscariot. Too profound. Left to God. The Jewish people. All Israel is saved. Israel is temporarily blinded; that is the scope of Romans. The Jewish people have a distinct ladder. See the word "chosen" is translated to "burden". The Jewish people have the burden of carrying forth the gospel. What it means to be human. They unknowingly do this everyday. The dilemma at the time too goes like this, had Christ not come for the Gentiles, then what would have been of the Gentiles.
Text, not teacher. Have you questioned the scripture and authenticity of text? Any videos I should watch? I agree that salvation is grace based. I don't understand your works denial. Your argument is not unreasonable. But why are there so many works and deed references? Often fruits references. Rest in Jesus is not 100% without works. Isn't that how Jesus explains it? The yoke still requires a burden. A light burden but if Jesus is doing the heavy lifting, an expectation of burden is still there. If that is not tied to works or deeds, what do you see as that burden? How often does Jesus say, go, sin no more? That seems very related and takes the concept of grace further than just grace. I'm interest in how those idea are rationalized.
Obedience is the “work”..... seems like that is what Jesus says... those who believe and obey.
@@dldenton3982 Obedience is the work, I can't oppose that. I assume that changing and altering how you live your life to align yourself with Jesus, with his teaching, is a form of obedience that is pleasing to God. As it says, faith without works is dead.
@@chriscockrell9495 I certainly agree:)
Salvation is 100 percent grace NOT OF WORKS So no one can boast That’s Bible. All works are a result of Salvation. Not the reverse
@@johnnyjohnson1370 Huh? /All works are a result of salvation./
The rest of your comments are accurate. Salvation is not deserved, it is not a merit based achievement. I'm not sure that percentage is relevant to salvation. Salvation just is because Jesus made it possible.
Salvation is given freely, yet salvation is conditional. The question of conditions of salvation aren't imposed by Jesus, they are self imposed by the individual. The condition of salvation is more about if the gift is received or rejected. And it isn't a one time offer.
That part /All works are a result of salvation./ doesn't seem coherent. Not all works are good. If /All works are a result of salvation./ bad works are a result of salvation. That doesn't seem a solid statement.
I suppose I believe salvation is a result of works. Work is part of you accepting the gift of salvation. Maybe obedience is a better word for works.
I find it amusing how people get tricked by invoking the importance of good works in salvation. Is belief enough? Legion believed and accepted Jesus as the son of God, is Legion saved? The devil believes in Jesus. He knows what and who Jesus is, does that save the Devil?
The difference between belief and faith is works. Knowing that smoking is bad, no one disbelieves, we accept it as truth, as reality. Faith is doing something, often based on your belief, taking action (works) without a guarantee of the result. Like not smoking or stop smoking. That is faith. Works is how faith is different than belief. In my mind, there is too much textual evidence of this to ignore the concept. Fruits, works, deeds, yoke.
Does Legion have faith in Jesus? Does the devil have faith in Jesus? That seems a rejection of salvation.
I love Mike Winger, but this didn’t age well when applying this knowledge to the jab! 😬
Holy Lord, man! Romans 2 is NOT written to non-church people. I know you *want* it to be written to the unsaved but it's totally not. He is NOT teaching a "How to debate a lost person" class. He's talking to church people about their salvation. Quit removing his doctrine from that context.
Paul's not talking to Jews, he's talking to church people who happen to be Jews. Rome's CHRISTIAN church was as Judaized as much as every other church in the first century. Never think for a moment that Paul is addressing his teaching to people outside the church - to garden variety Jews or Gentiles. He's talking to church folk.
Not true at all. You say that but you have no evidence. How can you say that when Jesus is the door, no one enters heaven but through him. Jews deny Christ, therefore are damned. You are false.
Also you prove yourself wrong by saying he was talking to the church, because the church already accepts Christ yet the subject of his talking did not
@@AR15andGOD - Let me get this clear. Are you saying that if a person believes in living by the Mosaic Law that he cannot be a member of the church?
Rom. 1:7 - To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
It looks to me like he is addressing the saints (the holy ones, the called out). He is not addressing his comments to the garden variety Jew. In fact, what ordinary Jew would even hear his epistle? I think it's pretty clear that Paul is taking to baptized believers in the risen Lord. Romans 6 is specifically addressed to those who were baptized into Christ.
I've heard the teaching that Romans 2 was telling how a person could be saved apart from Jesus. They taught that exact message at a church of Christ I was a part of in the early 2000s. I was taken aback because I'd never heard such a thing before. "You can be save as long as you follow the rules of your religion." That was the preachers exact message. That's completely messed up.
@@AR15andGOD - Furthermore, if you're referring to Romans 1:16-17, "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ..." Just keep reading. Paul's talking about the gospel of justification by faith. He goes into detail on it in subsequent chapters.
This is the same "gospel" he wanted to teach to the church in Jerusalem (but they wouldn't have any of it).
Acts 20-22-24 And now, behold, I go bound in the spirit unto Jerusalem, not knowing the things that shall befall me there:
23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Did you catch that? He's going to Jerusalem to teach the CHURCH the gospel he had received from Jesus. He wasn't going to talk to Jews in the wild, he was going to the church. And sure enough, when he gets to Jerusalem, who does he visit? James, the brother of Jesus.
James and the elders tell Paul that the CHURCH was zealous of the Law and instead of asking them, "How did you let that happen?", he fell into their trap and then spent the final years of his ministry in prison.
The gospel of salvation by grace through faith is NOT something that the original church was teaching that much. It was there but no one had caught it until Paul. Paul was to Christianity as Einstein was to physics. He saw something nobody else had seen heretofore.
Read Romans with that floating around in your head and I promise you that it will transform your life. Justification by faith is a huge departure from that old time religion.
Mike you should grow the beard again
The sacred secret of the judgement for Christians is hidden in Mathew 7: 21 the bit that sais just as you have judged you will be judged do you not keep judging JW's when Jesus was called such in the bible? Have you not adopted the pagan Trinity just as the apostate Popes did at the council of Nicea?
Matthew 23:8-12
But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ. But the greatest one among you must be your minister. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Zechariah 14:9
In that day Jehovah will be one, and his name one.
John 14:20, 21
In that day you will know that I am in union with my Father and you are in union with me and I am in union with you. Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.”
Even though Jesus always says that his Father is greater than he are you not still deaf to what he is saying?
At 14:00 - “A lot of people agree with me, so I don’t need common sense... and this is especially dangerous when it comes to religious issues” - Mike Winger, Please honestly apply this statement to your own religion
Always interesting when agnostics and atheists visit Christian teaching videos to criticize something they know nothing about and claim doesn't exist. By the way, agnostic means ignorant. Ag = without and Gnostic = knowledge. But if you want to proclaim yourself and ignorant person or ignoramus for short, be my guest.
Judges....the YoYo….book...
A perfect example for the 14:00 minute mark, is heliocentrism. Literally, its the best example in history.
Heliocentrism is just modern sun worship. For real. Its common sense, its in the Bible, and its the historical tradition of the Jews .
Heliocentrism is idolatry.
Jesus is God. Everyone who refuses to bow will burn to death and be permanently erased.
The G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was very clear of our ability to achieve his commandments. **Deuteronomy 30:11-15 "For this commandment which I command you this day, is not concealed from you, nor is it far away. 12: It is not in heaven, that you should say, "Who will go up to heaven for us and fetch it for us, to tell [it] to us, so that we can fulfill it?" 13: Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, "Who will cross to the other side of the sea for us and fetch it for us, to tell [it] to us, so that we can fulfill it?" 14: Rather,[this] thing is very close to you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can fulfill it." **Psalm 119 is an entire love anthem about G-ds commandments. I don't know where the thought of ALL or Nothing (as you present at around 35 minutes in) has come into play considering that there are commandments that are for men and not women and vice versa. Therefore, I can't fulfill all the commandments by the very nature that I'm not a man. Women don't get circumcised, so now what??? Learn the commandments, before you are so quickly to dismiss them. G-d is my creator and he gave me all the tools for GOOD and by doing these commandments I get the see the ripple effects right now, not just in the world to come. Sin in Hebrew translates to "Missing the mark." G-d is in control of Satan as we learn in the book of Job. How do we achieve the mark? By following G-d's commandments. Will he test us? Of course and he himself says this. If we weren't presented with an adversary than how would we grow as people? You don't gain muscles by just believing they will magically appear one day. No matter how much I pray to G-d for muscles, they won't magically appear by Grace alone. I have to physically take the steps he laid out to make them grow. I invite those searching for the G-d of Israel to check out Rabbi Tovia Singer.
There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. You break the Laws of Moses daily and heap up sin, but there is no blood sacrifice to atone for you, no priesthood to intercede for you, no ark of the covenant and mercy seat to sprinkle the atoning blood on, and no temple to house the ark. Judaism is a shell of its former self, repentance and fasting on Yom Kippur isn't sufficient. A generation after Jesus died as "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" and rose from the grave, the former way of dealing with sin was done away with in the destruction of the Temple in AD70 because a New Covenant has been instituted and the Old is now obsolete. Be reconciled to God thru Jesus the Messiah.
I like this guy but he is clueless when he says that the "Law" was not for non-Jews....his paradigm is wrong.
It wasn't
I think it's ironic that just because this guy has a "knowledge " of the Bible or so he thinks that just because he has read it and studied it that he has the moral authority to preach the " truth" according to his interpretation of the Bible. I would like to know first off which of the over 75 different versions of the Bible does he get his knowledge from. Because it's easy to make claims against other religions or cults as he calls them the one's that don't share his philosophy of the word of God. Before he goes and shares his limited views on the " word of God " does he consider other sources of doctrine from other points of view and then objectivly consider the truths found in them. What makes this guy and expert on anything in order for him to have the authority to say what he teaches is truth. I could prove him wrong and every Christian denomination wrong just by using the Bible KJV version but what would that accomplish. Why not just let people believe what they chose to believe and you live your life the way you want to and not by this guys philosophy. Who's to say that what he's teaching you is true when he claims others aren't. Find out for yourself read study then pray and ask God for the answers he won't ever decieve you.
Your comment is ironic because he said to read the bible for yourself, not to just blindly follow any teacher so...