I think Avatar Day serves as a very important point for Avatar as a whole. It's not talked about a lot, but it's the Last Episode of the original Gaang. From here on out the little three man band gets a whole new character for the rest of the series. You can't anticipate how well the addition of a new member goes. Obviously in hindsight yeah Toph makes the group so good but it was a huge risk shaking things up. History is full of shows that add a new cast member only for the dynamic to collapse from the new face not feeling right. Avatar Day was that last simple episode about Aang Katara and Sokka, a farewell to arms that could have been a "last classic Avatar episode" that ultimately wasn't really needed.
I’m pretty sure Toph was always written to be part of the gang but they can’t just have her ready to go at the South Pole, she has to join organically but I don’t think there was ever much risk where the chemistry was concerned
@@MrMitchbow Toph was actually not always written to be part of the gang. The original plan was for a different earth bending character to be Aang's teacher (just a generic big, buff dude). I think what the original commenter was alluding to was that if fans didn't like the new earth bending character (whichever character it was), this episode may have been seen as the end of the "golden age" of the show, much like how people think Micheal leaving and getting replaced is the end of the golden age of the office (not a perfect comparison but the points still stands). A consistent group of characters is one of the biggest draws of TV, so there's always a risk in changing the line up of main characters. Obviously Toph is amazing and this was really the start of the show's golden age, but there's no way for the creators any of that or to know how audiences will react. Even though an earthbending teacher was necessary from a structural/plot standpoint in universe, the creators had no way of knowing how the audience would respond to that kind of shake up.
@@matthewmoran1866correct, they were originally going to give aang a big buff dude as an earthbendong teacher but that idea got scrapped early on in production. They had the whole show planned out mostly from beginning to end before episode 1 even aired. They had such a long time to work through everything before the public even knew about avatar and that’s why it’s so well fleshed out. Compared with korra where Nickelodeon only guaranteed them 1, 12 episode season initially and you can see where the writing kinda starts to get messed up with that show.
More specifically, she lived like 3-4 Avatar lifetimes completely disrupting the passing of power from one nation to another. I don’t blame the fire nation from feeling alienated after 2 centuries.
Re: Kyoshi saying she did kill Chin - she understood the situation. She understood Chin. She knew he wouldn't back down, which means that she knew he would die when she split the land. She recognized that consequence before taking action, and she took responsibility for that. That line in Batman Begins before Ra's dies? When Batman says "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." Yeah, Kyoshi would regard that as cowardly weaseling on Batman's part. She's not concerned with technically excusing herself. I think it shows that she appreciates the gravity of her choices, and demonstrates her own desire to remain mindful in that way.
But when Aang says she didn't really kill him, she doesn't say anything like that. She just says she didn't see a difference. Though, that brings up the question of if she really wanted to stop him. She did let him take over 90% of the earth kingdom with no trouble. She only did her show of force when he showed up at her town and demanded she bow to him. If he just attacked the capital and declared her land as part of his empire on paper, I doubt she would care. When the actual earth king did order her around, she went avatar state on the throne room and showed him how little power kings hold over the avatar. I could even make the argument that she treated Chin with exactly as much respect as she treated real earth royalty.
@@rolay7730 She did say that, though. Aang: "You didn't really kill Chin. Technically, he fell to his own doom because he was too stubborn to get out of the way." Kyoshi: "Personally, I don't really see the difference" "I don't really see the difference" literally means "saying that technically he fell to his own doom doesn't mean I didn't kill him". Because she is not differentiating those statements. She is responsible for splitting the land knowing he _would_ fall to his doom. Her priorities are questionable since she did let him expand uncontested until he arrived at her home, but that's separate from her taking responsibility for her choice that she knew would result in his death.
@@SirRebrl I admit that what she said could be taken that way, but the second part makes it seem like an accident. "Personally, I don't really see the difference, but I assure you. I would have done whatever it took to stop chin." "I would have done whatever it took to stop chin," The way she says that definitely suggests that she did not plan to kill him but would have if she thought it was necessary. Also, if she actually planned it out, it seems strange to even suggest that "his own stubbornness" killed him. If she was driving a car directly at him and he refused to move, would they still say he died from his own stubbornness? Honestly, it just makes it seem like she killed him on accident and started saying he was evil to justify it to herself. If she accidentally killed the actual Earth king, would she insist that she murdered him, too? Imagine it like this. Kioshi- "YOU WILL NOT GIVE THE AVATAR ORDERS" The wind from the avatar state knocks something off a high self and hits the earth king in the head, killing him instantly. Kioshi to the crowd 10 minutes later-"He was evil, a monster and the peasants' rioting was proof that his corruption was unbalancing the world." Some guy - "The king died on accident." Kioshi- "Personally, I don't really see the difference, but I assure you. I would have done whatever it took to stop tyrants." Personally, I blame censorship for this. They didn't want her to actually kill someone on screen, so they had him die in a way that technically gave her some leeway while also having her say she actually did it.
@@rolay7730 ""I would have done whatever it took to stop chin" It's easier to tell Aang "Even if you disagree, I would have killed him unambiguously if I had to" than it is to convince him to see it her way. "suggests that she did not plan to kill him" Killing someone intentionally doesn't have to be premeditated. Obviously she didn't _plan_ to kill him - she gave him an out. Told him to leave. He didn't. And _that's_ when she decided to split the land, knowing he would fall and die. "If she was driving a car directly at him and he refused to move, would they still say he died from his own stubbornness?" "They" don't matter. Kyoshi knows what she did, and she owns it. 🤷 But since you're asking, yes. I have seen enough people to know that some appreciable number would blame Chin for being run over if he just stood there and could have moved.
I personally feel they should have kept Kuruk as a complacent avatar that learned about responsibility a little too late. I think this is more realistic. Just because the Avatar is a being with amazing abilities, in the end they are still human at heart and flawed. Keeping Kuruk as an avatar that failed can also be an asset to future avatars, as they can learn from their mistakes, not just their strengths. Now this doesn’t make him a “bad” avatar, just one that was a product of the world he grew up in.
Another thing that made this episode even better was actually thanks to the last episode. Both Iroh and Aang knew that killing the Firelord would be a bad way to win the war as history would just see it as more senseless violence. The Avatar Day episode showed that the people only remembered the senseless violence which was why Kyoshi and Avatars remain hated in that area. They resented her for killing their beloved leader. Things would have also played out the same if Aang killed Ozai. The Fire Nation would just see Aang as a person who wants to dominate everyone which is why killed the fire lord. Its thanks to Iroh and Aang’s approach that Aang had a (mostly) untainted legacy
And just in general, it would make a cycle of hatred. Really, Aang just subduing and crippling the Firelord was the most ideal and right choice to make at the end
@@vardiganxpl1698 Not to mention they are lucky that they had Zuko (a direct heir to the throne) to take his place. Imagine if Zuko didn’t join them, it would had to have been succeeded by someone from outside the royal family, or even worse, someone from outside the fire nation, or even more worse change the government entirely. That definitely would have made the avatar look worse.
"Oh I'm sorry but I'm about to be boiled in oil" "There! Community service!!! Now serve your community!!" Aang in full Kyoshi makeup and in a SEVERELY oversized dress and shoes. So dang funny
I love the idea that once plate tectonics get discovered in the avatar world, the broken piece of the plate under Kyoshi island just gets called the Kyoshi plate because...what else are you gonna call it?
I think Avatar day hits a little harder after i read the Kyoshi novels; Despite suffering mistreatment from Yakoya for most of her early life, Kyoshi still considered it home. enough to SPLIT IT FROM THE CONTINENT to save it from invasion. She even called it "our home."
bro i noticed the wheel discrepancy when i was a child, it has haunted me for 10 plus years and now i finally feel vindicated since someone else finally mentioned it.
The Avatar poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague onto our houses! He did? No, but are we just gonna wait around until he does?
Avatar Day was my favorite episode as a kid because of that scene with Kyoshi. She's such a fun character especially in books, and detached from what the fandom thinks she is.
This reminds me of how the town of Chinn should've appeared in LoK where by then the people would've forgotten that originally Avatar Day was based on hatred of the Avatar. And maybe it could've been ironic that the people judged Korra as being a bad Avatar when their community previously demonized Aang until he saved them
I think it was the censor's fault, but her not trying to kill him and it being an accident ruined the message. I see a few problems with the way the story actually went. Kyoshi never wanted to fight Chin; she tried to protect her little island and leave him on the mainland. If she just let him take over 90% of the earth kingdom and still didn't want to fight him when he came to her village, how bad could he be? He can't be bad enough for her to actually try and stop. The actual Earth king is a tyrant, such a horrible one that the Earth kingdom actually has a long history of peasant revolts. In one of the motion comics, Kyoshi even made it seem like she doesn't care if the earth king dies to the rioters. She only stopped the rebellion because they were burning historic things, and she seemingly cared more about history than actual human lives. What reason do I have to believe that she would have stopped Chin if he had not gone to her peninsula? If she had just shown up at the Earth's capital and Chin was in charge, would she have cared?
13:20 no sir, that is not a topic for another day., you just opened a whole can of wtf in my mind, and I'm thoroughly shocked I've never heard the theory before. Kyoshi screwed up the cycle. Aang getting trapped in the iceberg wasn't just because we was a little brat and ran away from home, it was the world trying to restore the balance Kyoshi upset like 300 years before him. It should have been an Air or Water Avatar dealing with Sozin and the rise of the Fire Nation. There may have been no rise if the Avatar didn't have a conflict of interest. There is another threat coming that will require a specific mindset, so screw you Aang, into ice for 100 years. Maybe someone else loses another big chunk of time, or some Avatar infanticide happens. So many possibilities.
You see, I think Kyoshi living so long is what prevented the war from starting earlier in the first place. In the novels, Zoryu (the Fire Lord during Kyoshi's early Avatarhood) was planning some shady shit, but Kyoshi sent an immortal assassin to threaten him and prevent a war from starting. The war only started after Kyoshi died, which means the Fire Lords were scared of her and only put their plans in motion when she was out of the picture. Had she died earlier, the war would've started earlier as the Fire Lord would try (and probably fail) to manipulate whoever the Fire Avatar would be in this timeline.
Well… memes aside. Earth with capital E refers to our planet. As earth without capital E is just a material at the crust of Earth like the ground itself. So earth is part of Earth, but not exactly Earth itself.
An avatar prolonging their life is kind of a mixed bag of implications. I can see good and bad things with it. On the one hand, an avatar that is too old may get stuck in their ways and not be able to effectively understand the needs of the world. But on the OTHER hand, if the avatar dies, the avatar is reset to a state of being an infant, and can take anywhere from a decade to two decades to become a fully fledged avatar again. The longer an avatar lives, the smaller percent of time the world is left with no avatar to help them.
20:37 I knew exactly what you were going to talk about here. In the UK this episode nick pushed out to us CONSTANTLY, i swear i know every frame of this episode better than the animators at this point
@@TheGoddamnBacon Yeah, Great Divide is well overhated imo, it's not special but it's not bad. I still can't believe people prefer The Ember Island Players...
18:30 i had a small mental breakdown after you mentioned she cracked a plate that's a feat of power orders of magnitude larger then the nr2 biggest she made a (/the) freaking Kyoshi FAULT LINE?!
Hey you, yeah you Korotos... Keep being you. Your passion is palpable and it's why I subscribed. That and binging AoT recently and your vids afterwards lol
Something I noticed is that when Aang puts out the fire on his _own_ effigy, look where the burn mark is. It covers his *right eye.* It's a _mirror image_ of Zuko's scar, very clearly, yet subtly, implying that Aang and Zuko are meant to be "reflections" of one another.
If you wanna explore the idea of the avatar restoring their reputation in the world after a predecessor destroyed it, have I got the plot bunny for you! Picture this: Kyoshi's primary motivation is not to confront Chin, but to simply take her town and flee. Land and all. The classic airbender cut and run tactic. She is her mother's daughter. But because she messed with plate tectonics to do this, reality ensues. And this time, Chin is not too proud to take two steps back. He witnesses a megatsunami that affects the entire southern hemisphere, and a decade-long volcanic winter triggered in the Southern Air Temple's islands by the catastrophic subduction of Kyoshi's new microplate on the other end from where she broke it off from the Earth Kingdom. Chin doesn't understand the exact mechanisms by which these catastrophes happen, but he knows they're Kyoshi's fault. So, while his men are providing propaganda-wrapped tsunami relief to all stricken coastlines, Chin makes sure to blame Kyoshi at every opportunity. Eventually, he has the entire Earth Kingdom, Southern Water Tribe, Fifth Nation Pirates and the Fire Nation all eating out of his hand. And Kyoshi's reputation never recovers. She is public enemy number one for the rest of her long life. What's worse, she doesn't care. She's used to being branded a criminal. Yet because of what she did (which she denies responsibility for), no one in the world will accept her help anymore. Winter doesn't end for at least 10 years and hundreds of millions of people starve to death. And Chin enjoys celebrity status. He's a cruel taskmaster reveling in his despotism, but everyone in the Earth Kingdom regards life under him as better than life under Kyoshi's administration. Kyoshi can't take him down now. She'd be seen as an assassin, and Chin would be branded a martyr. Kyoshi dies in exile, and every Fire Nation baby born within a few days after her passing has to be smuggled away for fear of being killed outright. These are the conditions under which Sozin, Roku and Yasu all grow up; hidden in exile, one seeking his throne, and the other two questioning their place in the world.
Side note, my family has a really funny obsession with the character of chi fu from disney's mulan, so finding out he was in this episode playing what is essentially the exact same character was a VERY good moment for all of us lol
You know I've had a headcannon for the next avatar and I suppose this is as good a place as any. What if, and hear me out. The dark Avatar returns? He's not evil and even approaches the current avatar. The series would be a journey to try and create a new avatar system that is more balanced. Trying to give the dark Avatar the other three elements as Korra's uncle (can't remember his name) was only a water bender. I keep returning to this little thought experiment of mine and I have lots of little details thought out but that's kind of the core of it all. Making a new Avatar.
I think the dark avatar is gone, as Korra killed him in the (dark) avatar state. However, Vaatu (the chaos spirit) will be reborn inside Raava (the light spirit), who is inside the avatar, therefore a future avatar will have both the spirits of light and darkness inside them; I think that has a lot of potential, a conflicted Avatar who is struggling between two opposing forces inside them, trying to do the right thing but being pulled towards darker/more chaotic approaches Perhaps this new cycle will be more balanced than the old one, as the Avatar won't be a being of pure light/order, but a being that has both light/darkness and order/chaos
I think the fair food should be baked, representing how he took a lot of heat in court and fending off the flames of the Rough Rino Invaders instead of boiling him in oil when they let him cook.
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 Baked, under baked, and over baked bread would be or should be used to throw at poles or hoops. They could invent a whole new sport in bread tossing.
Kyoshi really didn't act in the best interest of the world as far as Chin is concerned. She let him conquer nearly the entire Earth Kingdom, did nothing to stop him, and literally only got involved because he tried to conquer her home. If he had never tried to invade her home specifically, she probably wouldn't have ever gotten involved. That's not acting in the best interest of the world, that's a selfish act that just happened to help the world.
17:00 I think you are giving her too much credit there. If the ground under Chin had not crumbled or he had been saved or had survived the fall (somehow), it would have just been her taking the island and fleeing off to the sea with it, leaving Chin to conquer the mainland. Her stopping Chin was a coincidence. Can you call it acting in the best interests of the world when she really just acted in the interests of a single cape(?)?
12:14 It does add up though... Kyoshi lived to be 230 Roku lived to be 70 Aang is 112 at the time That adds up to 412 years since Kyoshi was born. Subtract 370 years from that and she would have been 42 at the time.
I didn't mean the numbers don't add up, I meant Kyoshi being 230 years old doesn't add up (because it's insane and unlike anything we've seen in the series), hence the life-prolonging-bending talk that explains it. 😂
18:16 It implies that she either split a tectonic plate and took the lava from there, which would create catastrophic consequences, or she just heated up the earth directly below, like the lava benders do in TLOK
Never have I clicked faster after reading the title of a video (Edit: OMG YOU MENTIONED THE JOKE AT THE END!!! It took me years to get it and it quickly turned into one of my favourite jokes of the whole series. Not the most quotable, but just perfectly set up and executed)
I mean that is LITERALLY all she did. Even in the novels that detail her 230 year long life it just. "stay in kyoshi fight stuff that comes to kyoshi." Still she wasnt active during her time and reactive instead she didn't harm the balance. Not like Korra. Most People talk about Koh being unleashed on the world when the cuddle spirits show up. 90% of the spirits in ATLA and the novels are literal DEMONS that Kill for their WANTS not their needs. Even the "peaceful" ones like twi and la are GENOCIDAL when angered. Wanshitang is the same. Heibai is even worse. Even in Korra the spirits MASSACRED the Northern Tribe for getting a forest they liked wet. The comics of the Face giver is even worse. This "benevolent" spirit was no better than KOH ruining the lives of people that just lived near where it showed up. Spirits cause nothing but trouble for the living.
This is actually a pretty good example of why Aang killing Ozai wouldn't be a good idea in the long run. The fire lords in general were viewed as almost god-like figures and the fire nation was nearly all powerful with many fire nation citizens--particularly the ones who're wealthy or of a higher social rank would see Aang as a cruel murderer (especially if he decided to kill their ruler instead of taking away his fire bending) and would be remembered in the same way as Avatar Kyoshi.
18:36 bending lava also requires or should require Earth water and fire bending since the heat for fire, lava is made of Earth and water due to its fluidity
Everything you've explained is very valid and exactly why I hate Avatar Day so much, there is so much good in the episode that makes it unstoppable, which means every time I watch the show I have to suffer the annoying townie parts
Ooh okay you mean hated in the show cause she's my favorite for breaking the whole island off like that's a cold response to dude and just amazing in general
So I don't know about anybody else but for the amount of spiders you eat I was told that it wasn't a few every year it was a few every night So they didn't even get the first live-action season right for Avatar so I don't know how we're going to expect them to get the second season right
both you and overanalyzing releasing videos today. its a decent hurricane eve. XD (nolas gonna have a cat 2 tomorrow) what does it say about any of us that were still watching deep dives of this show a decade later XD were nerds eh
James Hong brought so much character to the Mayor; a cowardly weakling who's only protection is his position. He also played one of Aang's mentors during flashback scenes in the episode, "The Storm."
The information regarding Kyoshi is cool but the episode itself doesn't make any sense. Why is Aang going on trial for something his past life did? Ignoring the fact that Kyoshi didn't do anything wrong and was just defending her people what she did has nothing to do with Aang. If that town wants to hate on Kyoshi then fine but Aang isn't Kyoshi, the goes out of its way to make it clear that each Avatar is their own person and that they aren't just clones of each other. As for Roku It's not made clear whether or not he even knew about Jin the Conqueror at all but even if he did that wasn't his problem to fix. All he could do was establish his own name and presence as the Avatar, prove himself a capable leader and keeper of balance.
It's because of how mythology works in Eastern cultures in a way. Punishment for a past life has already happened in their history, if I remember right
I think the reason these stories are always gonna be relevant is because of the naturally ironic state of being an animal that gets to the top of the food chain and stops surviving and instead allocates thriving instead. pressure is the natural language of evolution- outpacing it makes you an inherent danger too it, which gets corrected by our own instincts stabbing us in the back when we get this massive society. societies need to exist, you need groups to enforce peace so even worse people dont make too much of a mess, however it simply cant keep up and its also prone to this pressure once it gets too big its now a leech on the rest. society both cant exist cause it will always eventually destroy its own thriving- and infighting will only create monopolies of powers that also eventually disintegrate in the same way. if tribes are cells than society is a cancer. and we cant merely quit or consolidate them its a catch 22 death always has the final say. and this is true for cultures and nations as it would be for animals and individuals. eventually the conditions will change. personally i think humaanity is a pretty hard thing to outright go extinct all of a sudden, its gonna adapt but it selfish nature will also stripe it from both sides, by being overbearing and arbitrary with rules enforcements and groups, while also having enough freedom to somehow have a consistent problem with terrorism and piracy. its a play at control in what is ultimately true chaos. anarchy is the state of the world- and we let our values overwhelm it cause even if some of us develop this respect for nature and each other; we simply cant out think mass. its beyond us individually and you cant garuntee education will stick the right way; or even if it does that the person will ultimately value it . plenty of people knowingly destroy the world; and since anarchy is the true state of nature, it can only be stopped if our general competency is atleast carl sagan level. you have to find beauty in the infinite void. and sadly this isnt something we can just dictate at kids. stories have for ages. long rant but to cap it off; dont let the inevitability and catch 22s we live with kill you. you have to break a rule to do the right thing? start doing that. someones embarrassing you in an argument? let go off your ego you look way smarter when you accurately concede. you think you need money? thats only true if ya control how ya get it more. try to make allegiances on your level the big picture wont meaningfully change unless you are honest curious and imaginative enough to build that ffamily around you first. burn bridges with the toxic communicate and listen in equal meassure dont be loyal to an idea depersonalize your mythology- construct it like a house you intend to live in. descipline is not simply following someones lead- its understanding and pure dedication to being better.
Korra isn't a bad avatar because she's not a good person (well she isn;t a great person but that's not the point). Korra is a bad avatar because the show was written extremely poorly. Korra as a show has so much potential that was scrubbed by bad decision making outside of the story. ALTA is a lightning in the bottle show. A perfect storm of everyone who made the show happening to all get it right, together, the first time. That magic will probably never be recaptured because it's not possible to manufacture. It was an organic emergence of compitence and happy accidents, so to speak. No other Avatarverse media has been anywhere close to the 10/10 that ALTA achieved becuase of this. If Korra was made and released today, it would 100% be accused of using ChatGPT to write it, and that's because it was made with basically the same method as Ai uses. The details of ALTA were broken down into component noise and then that was used to try and recreate something resembling ALTA but with a different context. It just didn't work.
Korra is a bad show no matter what. Korra is an even worse avatar that will never rue the consequences of her actions. Korra is a bad person due to her screwing over her "friends" then ghosting them all abandoning her duties COMPLETELY.
the funniest thing about the episode is hoe sokka basically assaults katara for solve the mystery before he does and Kyoshi is both awesome and scary I will not want to be a world leader whit her as min avatar
@Eh......... I have learning disability so I can't visualize letters very and English isn't my first language so I use google microphone and no I didn't say I would be a tyrant I just said I would be afraid of her. I didn't say it would be rational of me - I wouldn't be qualified to be a leader due to how easily stressed I get and how indecisive I am - you are way overthinking a comment about a cartoon - have a nice what-ever time it is where you live.
"stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than evil", no matter how many arguments you have like in the trials, stupid people are ignorant dont care and wont even listen
Was this clickbait? You explained the episode but the title suggests theres something people misunderstand about it.. all of these things are painfully obvious in the show.
I'mma be real I do not believe for a fucking second that people hate Kora for legitimate reasons. Nobody ever shit talks Aang for the obvious fuckups he made that would go on to define the world of LoK. Like one of the main things I've seen people complain about is that Kora has to deal with angst and isn't constantly pursuing the goal of making the world better and I would just like to point out there are multiple points in Last Airbender that Aang could have bit the dust from giant, legendary monsters he decided to fuck around with for fun.
The difference is that Korra doesn't learn or mature over the course of seasons 1 and 2, they reset her back to how she was in season 1 at the start of 2. Aang slowly matured over the course of the series. In the first season, he was just a goofy kid. In two, he was still a bit goofy but had matued a lot. In season 3, he is more mature but struggling with his ideals. Korra never needed to learn, we never got to see her earn her the victories she struggled with.
@@ShadaOfAllThings you can't read apparently. Because what I have is valid criticisms. Korra legitimately didn't learn anything between season 1 and 2. She was handed airbending on a silver platter, she lost to Unaloq in season 2 only to be saved last second by a deus ex machina in the form of a genora. (Please excuse my misspellings of any names, it's been a while since I've ever actually cared about Korra). You haven't shown me her good points you have only said "you don't understand Korra at all, you just want to hate on her and not aang." But I'm not hating on her, I'm pointing out her character sucks in the first two seasons. I recommend watching over analyzing avatar's legend of Korra videos to see just how badly written Korra and most of the characters of her series are.
@@aubreyhuff46 Listen I know, you stopped paying attention to the show when you saw the MC had boobs. I get it. You don't have to hide that. You aren't good at hiding it even. And I'm sorry you aren't able to comprehend that the story was telling you "This character is not going to have a carbon copy of Aang's struggles" in the first fucking episode by showing that Kora was a prodigy at the bending aspect of being the Avatar. Aang was far more able to interact with the spirit side of things. Are they a Mary Sue because of that? I've yet to see a "Kora is a bad character" argument that doesn't use "She's not Aang she progressed differently and had different struggles" as the crux of why she's a bad character. Like yes, Dumbass, Kora is not Aang, you did it, you won the big boy media criticism award, you could notice they are two very different characters. Except you fail at media criticism because you can't even engage with the piece of media on the grounds of what it wanted to do.
Nah Korra definitely fucked up the hardest losing the avatar lineage. After Korra I would say Kuruk, only for the matter of not performing his duty as avatar but not everyone is ready or willing for that type of responsibility. If Roku has any fault it was that he trusted the wrong dude not so much that he did anything actually wrong. Kyoshi was living 100% avatar lifestyle just stepping in where she was needed as a overwhelming force and keeping the world in balance wasnt about wrong or right which I believe had a great explanation in this video. I don't remember much about yangchen but I doubt he could be worse than Korra.
"Getting live action right"? I don't think that's possible. Interesting to a whole new audience of future Avatards who have yet to discover the anime-YES I SAID ANIME and that is a hill I'll die on-is the best we can hope for. Not everything is made for live action, and it's time people stop considering it to be the pinnacle end-all, be-all peak of video entertainment. It's not. Because there are always details that are immediately apparent in animation that are lost forever when portrayed by a camera, if for no other reason.
Don't call it anime when all japanese anime studios blatantly rejected multiple pitches of it. If you don't want to call it cartoon, its better called a Korean MANHWA since its made by korean artists and animators aka. masters of storytelling EVEN in their live action shows and movies. Anime always gets my praise, but this time they don't deserve it. As a native asian who lives very close to these nations and know them better than most of this show's western audience, THIS is the hill I will die on!
The hill I'll die on is my opinion that the word anime shouldn't be used even when talking about Japanese animation, because nothing distinguishes it from other animation except for the fact that it's from Japan.
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I do love Aang’s sass when the Rough Rhinos show up
“Save us Avatar!”
“Wish I could but I’m supposed to be boiled in oil”
I think Avatar Day serves as a very important point for Avatar as a whole. It's not talked about a lot, but it's the Last Episode of the original Gaang. From here on out the little three man band gets a whole new character for the rest of the series. You can't anticipate how well the addition of a new member goes. Obviously in hindsight yeah Toph makes the group so good but it was a huge risk shaking things up. History is full of shows that add a new cast member only for the dynamic to collapse from the new face not feeling right. Avatar Day was that last simple episode about Aang Katara and Sokka, a farewell to arms that could have been a "last classic Avatar episode" that ultimately wasn't really needed.
I’m pretty sure Toph was always written to be part of the gang but they can’t just have her ready to go at the South Pole, she has to join organically but I don’t think there was ever much risk where the chemistry was concerned
@@MrMitchbowi see interesting to know nice
I'm glad Toph didn't ruin the dynamic
@@MrMitchbow Toph was actually not always written to be part of the gang. The original plan was for a different earth bending character to be Aang's teacher (just a generic big, buff dude). I think what the original commenter was alluding to was that if fans didn't like the new earth bending character (whichever character it was), this episode may have been seen as the end of the "golden age" of the show, much like how people think Micheal leaving and getting replaced is the end of the golden age of the office (not a perfect comparison but the points still stands). A consistent group of characters is one of the biggest draws of TV, so there's always a risk in changing the line up of main characters. Obviously Toph is amazing and this was really the start of the show's golden age, but there's no way for the creators any of that or to know how audiences will react.
Even though an earthbending teacher was necessary from a structural/plot standpoint in universe, the creators had no way of knowing how the audience would respond to that kind of shake up.
@@matthewmoran1866correct, they were originally going to give aang a big buff dude as an earthbendong teacher but that idea got scrapped early on in production. They had the whole show planned out mostly from beginning to end before episode 1 even aired. They had such a long time to work through everything before the public even knew about avatar and that’s why it’s so well fleshed out. Compared with korra where Nickelodeon only guaranteed them 1, 12 episode season initially and you can see where the writing kinda starts to get messed up with that show.
Kiyoshi: "It was an accident, but I would've done it anyways."
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8:10 I just realized, that Kyoshi was 230 years old and she lived over 2 maybe even 3 appereances of sozins comet
More specifically, she lived like 3-4 Avatar lifetimes completely disrupting the passing of power from one nation to another. I don’t blame the fire nation from feeling alienated after 2 centuries.
@@breyor1thats a great point! ugh, her character is so fucking interesting!!!😂 The author really hit it out of the oatk with Kyoshi
But Roku came after kyoshi
@@daforkgaming3320 After 240 years. One might expect it pass roughly every 80 or so.
If anyone should be upset, it has to be the water tribe. I mean the next water avatar after Kyoshi is Korra. Half a millennia later xd
Re: Kyoshi saying she did kill Chin - she understood the situation. She understood Chin. She knew he wouldn't back down, which means that she knew he would die when she split the land. She recognized that consequence before taking action, and she took responsibility for that.
That line in Batman Begins before Ra's dies? When Batman says "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." Yeah, Kyoshi would regard that as cowardly weaseling on Batman's part. She's not concerned with technically excusing herself. I think it shows that she appreciates the gravity of her choices, and demonstrates her own desire to remain mindful in that way.
But when Aang says she didn't really kill him, she doesn't say anything like that.
She just says she didn't see a difference.
Though, that brings up the question of if she really wanted to stop him. She did let him take over 90% of the earth kingdom with no trouble. She only did her show of force when he showed up at her town and demanded she bow to him.
If he just attacked the capital and declared her land as part of his empire on paper, I doubt she would care.
When the actual earth king did order her around, she went avatar state on the throne room and showed him how little power kings hold over the avatar.
I could even make the argument that she treated Chin with exactly as much respect as she treated real earth royalty.
@@rolay7730 She did say that, though.
Aang: "You didn't really kill Chin. Technically, he fell to his own doom because he was too stubborn to get out of the way."
Kyoshi: "Personally, I don't really see the difference"
"I don't really see the difference" literally means "saying that technically he fell to his own doom doesn't mean I didn't kill him". Because she is not differentiating those statements. She is responsible for splitting the land knowing he _would_ fall to his doom.
Her priorities are questionable since she did let him expand uncontested until he arrived at her home, but that's separate from her taking responsibility for her choice that she knew would result in his death.
@@SirRebrl
I admit that what she said could be taken that way, but the second part makes it seem like an accident.
"Personally, I don't really see the difference, but I assure you. I would have done whatever it took to stop chin."
"I would have done whatever it took to stop chin," The way she says that definitely suggests that she did not plan to kill him but would have if she thought it was necessary.
Also, if she actually planned it out, it seems strange to even suggest that "his own stubbornness" killed him.
If she was driving a car directly at him and he refused to move, would they still say he died from his own stubbornness?
Honestly, it just makes it seem like she killed him on accident and started saying he was evil to justify it to herself. If she accidentally killed the actual Earth king, would she insist that she murdered him, too?
Imagine it like this.
Kioshi- "YOU WILL NOT GIVE THE AVATAR ORDERS"
The wind from the avatar state knocks something off a high self and hits the earth king in the head, killing him instantly.
Kioshi to the crowd 10 minutes later-"He was evil, a monster and the peasants' rioting was proof that his corruption was unbalancing the world."
Some guy - "The king died on accident."
Kioshi- "Personally, I don't really see the difference, but I assure you. I would have done whatever it took to stop tyrants."
Personally, I blame censorship for this. They didn't want her to actually kill someone on screen, so they had him die in a way that technically gave her some leeway while also having her say she actually did it.
@@rolay7730
""I would have done whatever it took to stop chin"
It's easier to tell Aang "Even if you disagree, I would have killed him unambiguously if I had to" than it is to convince him to see it her way.
"suggests that she did not plan to kill him"
Killing someone intentionally doesn't have to be premeditated. Obviously she didn't _plan_ to kill him - she gave him an out. Told him to leave. He didn't. And _that's_ when she decided to split the land, knowing he would fall and die.
"If she was driving a car directly at him and he refused to move, would they still say he died from his own stubbornness?"
"They" don't matter. Kyoshi knows what she did, and she owns it. 🤷
But since you're asking, yes. I have seen enough people to know that some appreciable number would blame Chin for being run over if he just stood there and could have moved.
Definitely
I personally feel they should have kept Kuruk as a complacent avatar that learned about responsibility a little too late. I think this is more realistic. Just because the Avatar is a being with amazing abilities, in the end they are still human at heart and flawed. Keeping Kuruk as an avatar that failed can also be an asset to future avatars, as they can learn from their mistakes, not just their strengths. Now this doesn’t make him a “bad” avatar, just one that was a product of the world he grew up in.
Another thing that made this episode even better was actually thanks to the last episode. Both Iroh and Aang knew that killing the Firelord would be a bad way to win the war as history would just see it as more senseless violence. The Avatar Day episode showed that the people only remembered the senseless violence which was why Kyoshi and Avatars remain hated in that area. They resented her for killing their beloved leader. Things would have also played out the same if Aang killed Ozai. The Fire Nation would just see Aang as a person who wants to dominate everyone which is why killed the fire lord. Its thanks to Iroh and Aang’s approach that Aang had a (mostly) untainted legacy
Those are great observations!
And just in general, it would make a cycle of hatred. Really, Aang just subduing and crippling the Firelord was the most ideal and right choice to make at the end
@@vardiganxpl1698
Not to mention they are lucky that they had Zuko (a direct heir to the throne) to take his place.
Imagine if Zuko didn’t join them, it would had to have been succeeded by someone from outside the royal family, or even worse, someone from outside the fire nation, or even more worse change the government entirely. That definitely would have made the avatar look worse.
I laughed when Katara suggested that Aang does community service. 😂
Like bro they could've ran and hopped on Appa and fly away from that place no one would catch them.
"Oh I'm sorry but I'm about to be boiled in oil" "There! Community service!!! Now serve your community!!" Aang in full Kyoshi makeup and in a SEVERELY oversized dress and shoes. So dang funny
I love the idea that once plate tectonics get discovered in the avatar world, the broken piece of the plate under Kyoshi island just gets called the Kyoshi plate because...what else are you gonna call it?
I think Avatar day hits a little harder after i read the Kyoshi novels;
Despite suffering mistreatment from Yakoya for most of her early life, Kyoshi still considered it home. enough to SPLIT IT FROM THE CONTINENT to save it from invasion. She even called it "our home."
bro i noticed the wheel discrepancy when i was a child, it has haunted me for 10 plus years and now i finally feel vindicated since someone else finally mentioned it.
You haven't found Overanalyzing Avatar yet? If not, you're welcome.
Yes watch pveranaylzing avatar
The Avatar poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague onto our houses!
He did?
No, but are we just gonna wait around until he does?
Love that SpongeBob Reference there!! 🤣
@@Ninpressions who lives in an iceberg under the sea?
Aang the Avatar!
@@jamesschrader8667 Who’s orange and yellow And agile as he
Aang the Avatar
@@Ninpressions if mastering all elements be something you wish?
Aang the Avatar!
@@jamesschrader8667 and defending poor Ozai, would be but a pinch
Aang the Avatar!
Kyoshi is the type of person to ask do we have a problem and you answer No ma’am
Frrr
Avatar Day was my favorite episode as a kid because of that scene with Kyoshi. She's such a fun character especially in books, and detached from what the fandom thinks she is.
This reminds me of how the town of Chinn should've appeared in LoK where by then the people would've forgotten that originally Avatar Day was based on hatred of the Avatar. And maybe it could've been ironic that the people judged Korra as being a bad Avatar when their community previously demonized Aang until he saved them
I think it was the censor's fault, but her not trying to kill him and it being an accident ruined the message.
I see a few problems with the way the story actually went.
Kyoshi never wanted to fight Chin; she tried to protect her little island and leave him on the mainland. If she just let him take over 90% of the earth kingdom and still didn't want to fight him when he came to her village, how bad could he be? He can't be bad enough for her to actually try and stop. The actual Earth king is a tyrant, such a horrible one that the Earth kingdom actually has a long history of peasant revolts. In one of the motion comics, Kyoshi even made it seem like she doesn't care if the earth king dies to the rioters. She only stopped the rebellion because they were burning historic things, and she seemingly cared more about history than actual human lives.
What reason do I have to believe that she would have stopped Chin if he had not gone to her peninsula? If she had just shown up at the Earth's capital and Chin was in charge, would she have cared?
13:20 no sir, that is not a topic for another day., you just opened a whole can of wtf in my mind, and I'm thoroughly shocked I've never heard the theory before. Kyoshi screwed up the cycle. Aang getting trapped in the iceberg wasn't just because we was a little brat and ran away from home, it was the world trying to restore the balance Kyoshi upset like 300 years before him. It should have been an Air or Water Avatar dealing with Sozin and the rise of the Fire Nation. There may have been no rise if the Avatar didn't have a conflict of interest. There is another threat coming that will require a specific mindset, so screw you Aang, into ice for 100 years. Maybe someone else loses another big chunk of time, or some Avatar infanticide happens. So many possibilities.
You see, I think Kyoshi living so long is what prevented the war from starting earlier in the first place.
In the novels, Zoryu (the Fire Lord during Kyoshi's early Avatarhood) was planning some shady shit, but Kyoshi sent an immortal assassin to threaten him and prevent a war from starting. The war only started after Kyoshi died, which means the Fire Lords were scared of her and only put their plans in motion when she was out of the picture. Had she died earlier, the war would've started earlier as the Fire Lord would try (and probably fail) to manipulate whoever the Fire Avatar would be in this timeline.
Damn, the last time I was this early, everything didn't change yet
Filler? Sure.
World building. Definitely!
Would I rewatch it? Absolutely!
Not filler though either. There is no filler.
“this is not EARTH bending it’s like PLANET bending” like earth is not a planet
Well… memes aside.
Earth with capital E refers to our planet. As earth without capital E is just a material at the crust of Earth like the ground itself.
So earth is part of Earth, but not exactly Earth itself.
@@AlldeLucas All earth is Earth, but not all Earth is earth.
An avatar prolonging their life is kind of a mixed bag of implications. I can see good and bad things with it. On the one hand, an avatar that is too old may get stuck in their ways and not be able to effectively understand the needs of the world. But on the OTHER hand, if the avatar dies, the avatar is reset to a state of being an infant, and can take anywhere from a decade to two decades to become a fully fledged avatar again. The longer an avatar lives, the smaller percent of time the world is left with no avatar to help them.
20:37
I knew exactly what you were going to talk about here. In the UK this episode nick pushed out to us CONSTANTLY,
i swear i know every frame of this episode better than the animators at this point
So your version of The Great Divide? That's the one that's the lowest rated here, for much the same reason.
@@TheGoddamnBacon Yeah, Great Divide is well overhated imo, it's not special but it's not bad. I still can't believe people prefer The Ember Island Players...
18:30 i had a small mental breakdown after you mentioned she cracked a plate
that's a feat of power orders of magnitude larger then the nr2 biggest
she made a (/the) freaking Kyoshi FAULT LINE?!
Hey you, yeah you Korotos...
Keep being you. Your passion is palpable and it's why I subscribed. That and binging AoT recently and your vids afterwards lol
Something I noticed is that when Aang puts out the fire on his _own_ effigy, look where the burn mark is. It covers his *right eye.* It's a _mirror image_ of Zuko's scar, very clearly, yet subtly, implying that Aang and Zuko are meant to be "reflections" of one another.
If you wanna explore the idea of the avatar restoring their reputation in the world after a predecessor destroyed it, have I got the plot bunny for you!
Picture this: Kyoshi's primary motivation is not to confront Chin, but to simply take her town and flee. Land and all. The classic airbender cut and run tactic. She is her mother's daughter. But because she messed with plate tectonics to do this, reality ensues. And this time, Chin is not too proud to take two steps back. He witnesses a megatsunami that affects the entire southern hemisphere, and a decade-long volcanic winter triggered in the Southern Air Temple's islands by the catastrophic subduction of Kyoshi's new microplate on the other end from where she broke it off from the Earth Kingdom. Chin doesn't understand the exact mechanisms by which these catastrophes happen, but he knows they're Kyoshi's fault. So, while his men are providing propaganda-wrapped tsunami relief to all stricken coastlines, Chin makes sure to blame Kyoshi at every opportunity. Eventually, he has the entire Earth Kingdom, Southern Water Tribe, Fifth Nation Pirates and the Fire Nation all eating out of his hand. And Kyoshi's reputation never recovers. She is public enemy number one for the rest of her long life. What's worse, she doesn't care. She's used to being branded a criminal. Yet because of what she did (which she denies responsibility for), no one in the world will accept her help anymore. Winter doesn't end for at least 10 years and hundreds of millions of people starve to death. And Chin enjoys celebrity status. He's a cruel taskmaster reveling in his despotism, but everyone in the Earth Kingdom regards life under him as better than life under Kyoshi's administration. Kyoshi can't take him down now. She'd be seen as an assassin, and Chin would be branded a martyr. Kyoshi dies in exile, and every Fire Nation baby born within a few days after her passing has to be smuggled away for fear of being killed outright. These are the conditions under which Sozin, Roku and Yasu all grow up; hidden in exile, one seeking his throne, and the other two questioning their place in the world.
That twist plot would be an interesting take to learn more about. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 💭 💭💭👍👍👍
I’d read that fanfic
Damn that's good!!
11:46 I’m sorry but that spirit gets a pass for actively trying to help Korra even when she didn’t know who it was
Mhm
The Return of Koh is something I would love to see with the next Avatar!!!
And the undoing of Korra FINALLY calling her out on her shit.
@@snintendog Girl that already happened
bro I need an artist to draw me Sokka w/ the Eren learning the future face
YES
Side note, my family has a really funny obsession with the character of chi fu from disney's mulan, so finding out he was in this episode playing what is essentially the exact same character was a VERY good moment for all of us lol
oh my god, you're so right! that's hilarious, i can't believe i never noticed 😂
Wan Shi Tong is not that smart, he doesn't even know how radios work.
He only knows 10.000 things.
Yes he knows. Little people are living in the box obviously
Well it makes sense, wan shi tong has hidden his collection of knowledge before the invention of the radio
@@User_6498 he did get the info from a fox spirit but it was wrong
You know I've had a headcannon for the next avatar and I suppose this is as good a place as any.
What if, and hear me out. The dark Avatar returns? He's not evil and even approaches the current avatar. The series would be a journey to try and create a new avatar system that is more balanced. Trying to give the dark Avatar the other three elements as Korra's uncle (can't remember his name) was only a water bender.
I keep returning to this little thought experiment of mine and I have lots of little details thought out but that's kind of the core of it all. Making a new Avatar.
I love this idea already
I think the dark avatar is gone, as Korra killed him in the (dark) avatar state.
However, Vaatu (the chaos spirit) will be reborn inside Raava (the light spirit), who is inside the avatar, therefore a future avatar will have both the spirits of light and darkness inside them; I think that has a lot of potential, a conflicted Avatar who is struggling between two opposing forces inside them, trying to do the right thing but being pulled towards darker/more chaotic approaches
Perhaps this new cycle will be more balanced than the old one, as the Avatar won't be a being of pure light/order, but a being that has both light/darkness and order/chaos
i just watched one of your videos for the first time and the second i go to check out your channel I see you just uploaded! what a coincidence!
Are you the protagonist? 👀
@@Korotohe is indeed… the chosen one 🗿
3:36, Guy Fawkes Day has Guy Fawkes burned in effigy
Bonfire Night*
I think the fair food should be baked, representing how he took a lot of heat in court and fending off the flames of the Rough Rino Invaders instead of boiling him in oil when they let him cook.
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Baked, under baked, and over baked bread would be or should be used to throw at poles or hoops. They could invent a whole new sport in bread tossing.
Kyoshi really didn't act in the best interest of the world as far as Chin is concerned. She let him conquer nearly the entire Earth Kingdom, did nothing to stop him, and literally only got involved because he tried to conquer her home. If he had never tried to invade her home specifically, she probably wouldn't have ever gotten involved. That's not acting in the best interest of the world, that's a selfish act that just happened to help the world.
17:00 I think you are giving her too much credit there. If the ground under Chin had not crumbled or he had been saved or had survived the fall (somehow), it would have just been her taking the island and fleeing off to the sea with it, leaving Chin to conquer the mainland. Her stopping Chin was a coincidence. Can you call it acting in the best interests of the world when she really just acted in the interests of a single cape(?)?
"That's not how our court system works."
I love this episode for the humor. Definitely one of if not the funniest epsidoes in the series.
Avatar Kyoshi is such a badass
But Yangchen is more cold than Kyoshi
@@JakurtyKulginnot anymore with the new Roku novel came out
@@Zai02-gk4dm wdym not anymore?
This episode gave us Kyoshi's pull up and the Sherlock Sokka meme. That alone is a dub in my book.
kyoshi is the type to take credit for an SD in a online shooter
SD?
What’s that
@@yuvalron324 self destruct
12:14 It does add up though...
Kyoshi lived to be 230
Roku lived to be 70
Aang is 112 at the time
That adds up to 412 years since Kyoshi was born. Subtract 370 years from that and she would have been 42 at the time.
I didn't mean the numbers don't add up, I meant Kyoshi being 230 years old doesn't add up (because it's insane and unlike anything we've seen in the series), hence the life-prolonging-bending talk that explains it. 😂
Day 2 of asking Koroto to PLEASE fix the slight lump in the tea-on-toe guy's head so he's closer to a circle! The overhang makes me sad!!
18:16 It implies that she either split a tectonic plate and took the lava from there, which would create catastrophic consequences, or she just heated up the earth directly below, like the lava benders do in TLOK
Your visuals genuinely make me chuckle while pondering the universe, I appreciate that about you
Never have I clicked faster after reading the title of a video
(Edit: OMG YOU MENTIONED THE JOKE AT THE END!!! It took me years to get it and it quickly turned into one of my favourite jokes of the whole series. Not the most quotable, but just perfectly set up and executed)
Kyoshi was hated for protecting her land? 😮
This ages well 😂
I mean that is LITERALLY all she did. Even in the novels that detail her 230 year long life it just. "stay in kyoshi fight stuff that comes to kyoshi." Still she wasnt active during her time and reactive instead she didn't harm the balance. Not like Korra. Most People talk about Koh being unleashed on the world when the cuddle spirits show up. 90% of the spirits in ATLA and the novels are literal DEMONS that Kill for their WANTS not their needs. Even the "peaceful" ones like twi and la are GENOCIDAL when angered. Wanshitang is the same. Heibai is even worse.
Even in Korra the spirits MASSACRED the Northern Tribe for getting a forest they liked wet. The comics of the Face giver is even worse. This "benevolent" spirit was no better than KOH ruining the lives of people that just lived near where it showed up. Spirits cause nothing but trouble for the living.
Wait until you hear about every war that has ever happened
Kyoshi is Khamas
Just like Trump 😭
1 minute ago is devious
This is actually a pretty good example of why Aang killing Ozai wouldn't be a good idea in the long run. The fire lords in general were viewed as almost god-like figures and the fire nation was nearly all powerful with many fire nation citizens--particularly the ones who're wealthy or of a higher social rank would see Aang as a cruel murderer (especially if he decided to kill their ruler instead of taking away his fire bending) and would be remembered in the same way as Avatar Kyoshi.
18:36 bending lava also requires or should require Earth water and fire bending since the heat for fire, lava is made of Earth and water due to its fluidity
Everything you've explained is very valid and exactly why I hate Avatar Day so much, there is so much good in the episode that makes it unstoppable, which means every time I watch the show I have to suffer the annoying townie parts
The definition of "the story behind it slaps but damn is everyone but our protagonists/ main antagonist are annoying as hell.
20:39 THANK YOU!!!!! THIS DETAIL HAS BOTHERED ME FOR LITERAL YEARS XD
Glad somebody else recognizes how fundamental this continuity error is 😔
avatar day looks like burning man
Ooh okay you mean hated in the show cause she's my favorite for breaking the whole island off like that's a cold response to dude and just amazing in general
love that kyoshi cracks the planets core just to pull up a big hot fiery middle finger @ chin the conqueror lmao
Just watched the whole video, gotta say one of your best
Not crispy Armin 🤣🤣🤣
Isn’t kioshi like over 200?
The Kyoshi scene is one of my favourite scenes in the whole series, it goes so hard
I think this episode is also a perfect example for "History is not always kind to its subjects".
16:29 Kyoshi technically didn't killed him but technically caused his death.
Great video
So I don't know about anybody else but for the amount of spiders you eat I was told that it wasn't a few every year it was a few every night
So they didn't even get the first live-action season right for Avatar so I don't know how we're going to expect them to get the second season right
Me headcanon is a long forgotten Avatar once established the Earth Kingdom for the sheer convenience of passing laws and speaking to their people
Is 16:32 proof of lavabending pre-Korra?
Yeah, Avatar Szeto can also be seen lavabending in episode 1 of book 2 in ATLA.
The only reason to watch this episode is to see Uncle Iroh tell Zuko not to give into despair and to give context for Zuko alone.
Nothing could ever make me hate Korra 💙
Oh trust me, i know something. Watch the show. It will surely make you hate her
watching korra just makes me sad, look how nickelodeon massacred my girl
Every avatar leaves don't sort of shit show for the next avatar to clean up...
both you and overanalyzing releasing videos today. its a decent hurricane eve. XD (nolas gonna have a cat 2 tomorrow)
what does it say about any of us that were still watching deep dives of this show a decade later XD were nerds eh
James Hong brought so much character to the Mayor; a cowardly weakling who's only protection is his position.
He also played one of Aang's mentors during flashback scenes in the episode, "The Storm."
The information regarding Kyoshi is cool but the episode itself doesn't make any sense. Why is Aang going on trial for something his past life did?
Ignoring the fact that Kyoshi didn't do anything wrong and was just defending her people what she did has nothing to do with Aang. If that town wants to hate on Kyoshi then fine but Aang isn't Kyoshi, the goes out of its way to make it clear that each Avatar is their own person and that they aren't just clones of each other.
As for Roku It's not made clear whether or not he even knew about Jin the Conqueror at all but even if he did that wasn't his problem to fix. All he could do was establish his own name and presence as the Avatar, prove himself a capable leader and keeper of balance.
It's because of how mythology works in Eastern cultures in a way. Punishment for a past life has already happened in their history, if I remember right
i liked the first thumbnail waaay better but had no time to watch it then, please dont get it wrong in ur analytics ^^'
I've always loved this ep. I think its so funny😂
I think the reason these stories are always gonna be relevant is because of the naturally ironic state of being an animal that gets to the top of the food chain and stops surviving and instead allocates thriving instead. pressure is the natural language of evolution- outpacing it makes you an inherent danger too it, which gets corrected by our own instincts stabbing us in the back when we get this massive society. societies need to exist, you need groups to enforce peace so even worse people dont make too much of a mess, however it simply cant keep up and its also prone to this pressure once it gets too big its now a leech on the rest. society both cant exist cause it will always eventually destroy its own thriving- and infighting will only create monopolies of powers that also eventually disintegrate in the same way. if tribes are cells than society is a cancer. and we cant merely quit or consolidate them its a catch 22 death always has the final say. and this is true for cultures and nations as it would be for animals and individuals. eventually the conditions will change. personally i think humaanity is a pretty hard thing to outright go extinct all of a sudden, its gonna adapt but it selfish nature will also stripe it from both sides, by being overbearing and arbitrary with rules enforcements and groups, while also having enough freedom to somehow have a consistent problem with terrorism and piracy. its a play at control in what is ultimately true chaos. anarchy is the state of the world- and we let our values overwhelm it cause even if some of us develop this respect for nature and each other; we simply cant out think mass. its beyond us individually and you cant garuntee education will stick the right way; or even if it does that the person will ultimately value it . plenty of people knowingly destroy the world; and since anarchy is the true state of nature, it can only be stopped if our general competency is atleast carl sagan level. you have to find beauty in the infinite void. and sadly this isnt something we can just dictate at kids. stories have for ages.
long rant but to cap it off; dont let the inevitability and catch 22s we live with kill you. you have to break a rule to do the right thing? start doing that. someones embarrassing you in an argument? let go off your ego you look way smarter when you accurately concede. you think you need money? thats only true if ya control how ya get it more. try to make allegiances on your level the big picture wont meaningfully change unless you are honest curious and imaginative enough to build that ffamily around you first. burn bridges with the toxic communicate and listen in equal meassure dont be loyal to an idea depersonalize your mythology- construct it like a house you intend to live in. descipline is not simply following someones lead- its understanding and pure dedication to being better.
Ugh! Korra is the "Worst Avatar... Ever!" -Toph Beifong
Bye forever. [bailing at 11:56]
33 seconds I have never been this early
Last
this was a great episode
Korra isn't a bad avatar because she's not a good person (well she isn;t a great person but that's not the point). Korra is a bad avatar because the show was written extremely poorly. Korra as a show has so much potential that was scrubbed by bad decision making outside of the story.
ALTA is a lightning in the bottle show. A perfect storm of everyone who made the show happening to all get it right, together, the first time. That magic will probably never be recaptured because it's not possible to manufacture. It was an organic emergence of compitence and happy accidents, so to speak. No other Avatarverse media has been anywhere close to the 10/10 that ALTA achieved becuase of this. If Korra was made and released today, it would 100% be accused of using ChatGPT to write it, and that's because it was made with basically the same method as Ai uses. The details of ALTA were broken down into component noise and then that was used to try and recreate something resembling ALTA but with a different context. It just didn't work.
Korra is a bad show no matter what. Korra is an even worse avatar that will never rue the consequences of her actions. Korra is a bad person due to her screwing over her "friends" then ghosting them all abandoning her duties COMPLETELY.
And if I don't want equity, if I want merit, you used alot of words to say it's OK to steal for a client group
The avatar is literally a rogue like. Work , die, reincarnate, get stronger repeat
the funniest thing about the episode is hoe sokka basically assaults katara for solve the mystery before he does and Kyoshi is both awesome and scary I will not want to be
a world leader whit her as min avatar
@Eh......... I have learning disability so I can't visualize letters very and English isn't my first language so I use google microphone and no I didn't say I would be a tyrant I just said I would be afraid of her. I didn't say it would be rational of me - I wouldn't be qualified to be a leader due to how easily stressed I get and how indecisive I am - you are way overthinking a comment about a cartoon - have a nice what-ever time it is where you live.
she didn't split a plate she melted the earth so the island could move
So what we learned from this episode is Kyoshi is the best Avatar and I won't hear any more about it.
370 years? Aang 100 yr vanish , Roku 70 years so that’s 200 years interesting
"stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than evil", no matter how many arguments you have like in the trials, stupid people are ignorant dont care and wont even listen
Netflix? Second chance? Dastard!?
Well the show is definitely good even when at it's lowest.
MORE WALKING DEAD🙏🙏🙏
Was this clickbait? You explained the episode but the title suggests theres something people misunderstand about it.. all of these things are painfully obvious in the show.
Hi
I was part of the Roku, Korra dispute 😂 still think Korra is the worst
think of it this way Ignorace or completely screwing over the world by unleashing HYPER KILL MURDER BEASTS.
I'mma be real I do not believe for a fucking second that people hate Kora for legitimate reasons. Nobody ever shit talks Aang for the obvious fuckups he made that would go on to define the world of LoK. Like one of the main things I've seen people complain about is that Kora has to deal with angst and isn't constantly pursuing the goal of making the world better and I would just like to point out there are multiple points in Last Airbender that Aang could have bit the dust from giant, legendary monsters he decided to fuck around with for fun.
The difference is that Korra doesn't learn or mature over the course of seasons 1 and 2, they reset her back to how she was in season 1 at the start of 2.
Aang slowly matured over the course of the series. In the first season, he was just a goofy kid. In two, he was still a bit goofy but had matued a lot. In season 3, he is more mature but struggling with his ideals.
Korra never needed to learn, we never got to see her earn her the victories she struggled with.
@@aubreyhuff46 you're who I'm talking about by the way
@@ShadaOfAllThings you can't read apparently. Because what I have is valid criticisms.
Korra legitimately didn't learn anything between season 1 and 2. She was handed airbending on a silver platter, she lost to Unaloq in season 2 only to be saved last second by a deus ex machina in the form of a genora. (Please excuse my misspellings of any names, it's been a while since I've ever actually cared about Korra).
You haven't shown me her good points you have only said "you don't understand Korra at all, you just want to hate on her and not aang."
But I'm not hating on her, I'm pointing out her character sucks in the first two seasons. I recommend watching over analyzing avatar's legend of Korra videos to see just how badly written Korra and most of the characters of her series are.
@@aubreyhuff46 Listen I know, you stopped paying attention to the show when you saw the MC had boobs. I get it. You don't have to hide that. You aren't good at hiding it even. And I'm sorry you aren't able to comprehend that the story was telling you "This character is not going to have a carbon copy of Aang's struggles" in the first fucking episode by showing that Kora was a prodigy at the bending aspect of being the Avatar. Aang was far more able to interact with the spirit side of things. Are they a Mary Sue because of that?
I've yet to see a "Kora is a bad character" argument that doesn't use "She's not Aang she progressed differently and had different struggles" as the crux of why she's a bad character. Like yes, Dumbass, Kora is not Aang, you did it, you won the big boy media criticism award, you could notice they are two very different characters. Except you fail at media criticism because you can't even engage with the piece of media on the grounds of what it wanted to do.
What is this thumbnail hahahaha
It's literally a frame in the episode, why are people saying its somehow weird 😭
@@Koroto You serious? Thats amazing haha, I thought it was created by you or something
Early
Korra bad because she's poorly written
Nah Korra definitely fucked up the hardest losing the avatar lineage.
After Korra I would say Kuruk, only for the matter of not performing his duty as avatar but not everyone is ready or willing for that type of responsibility.
If Roku has any fault it was that he trusted the wrong dude not so much that he did anything actually wrong.
Kyoshi was living 100% avatar lifestyle just stepping in where she was needed as a overwhelming force and keeping the world in balance wasnt about wrong or right which I believe had a great explanation in this video.
I don't remember much about yangchen but I doubt he could be worse than Korra.
"Getting live action right"? I don't think that's possible. Interesting to a whole new audience of future Avatards who have yet to discover the anime-YES I SAID ANIME and that is a hill I'll die on-is the best we can hope for. Not everything is made for live action, and it's time people stop considering it to be the pinnacle end-all, be-all peak of video entertainment. It's not. Because there are always details that are immediately apparent in animation that are lost forever when portrayed by a camera, if for no other reason.
Don't call it anime when all japanese anime studios blatantly rejected multiple pitches of it. If you don't want to call it cartoon, its better called a Korean MANHWA since its made by korean artists and animators aka. masters of storytelling EVEN in their live action shows and movies. Anime always gets my praise, but this time they don't deserve it. As a native asian who lives very close to these nations and know them better than most of this show's western audience, THIS is the hill I will die on!
Anime is Japanese cartoon, but this is an American cartoon. But yes,live action could never work
The hill I'll die on is my opinion that the word anime shouldn't be used even when talking about Japanese animation, because nothing distinguishes it from other animation except for the fact that it's from Japan.
She had 42yr when the split happened, since for some reason she died at 230yr old
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@@Koroto I accept my liege