The statement she makes at 13:04 completely blows my mind. The plant *knows* , in some none cerebal way, exactly what set of minerals it needs at any given time and it *has* at its genetic and biochemical disposal precisely what is required to compensate specific organisms in its rhizosphere for their work in providing the plant those same minerals. It's basically running a solid business. Nature is fucking fantastic.
This is the content that is desperately needed. Excellent podcast! One word of advice when interviewing though. I know it's tough, but try your best to keep from saying um and like so often. It's better to just pause in thought for a second.
Very incomplete description and frequent misunderstanding of the Back to Eden method that Paul uses: He regularly uses the compost from his chicken yard, which is full of the composted chicken manure and the yard and garden waste that the chickens have not eaten, but has been scratched in and broken down in the chicken yard. Since his chickens are fed from the food grown on his property, it's a closed loop, with no chemicals being introduced into his garden or orchard. (I am surprised to hear Elaine had never heard of BTE!)
The chickens aren't necessary. They are just providing nitrogen (which helps break down the carbon quicker), which you can substitute for other sources. I use this method and quite like it. I have to disagree with Elaine on the compaction bit though. As long as you keep adding new mulch I find my soil quite loose and aerated. Really easy to dig through and transplant into. I also didn't have to wait 5 - 10 years to see good results. 🤷️
When she said she had never heard of the back to eden garden I lost all confidence in her. Paul has been doing this for years and his garden has been one of the most studied including his soil that was found to be lacking of nothing. They brush over it and she quickly dismissed it as a viable option with no real knowledge of how it works.
@@ThePermacultureStudent I thought I recognized that smile! Thanks for the work you and your people do my man! You guys inspired me to start a compost company in order to finance my plant breeding obsession. Hopefully I'll see ya at the festival you guys throw one day. Have a good one dude!
@@BaltimoresBerzerker WOW that is so epic!! BTW I wrote a book with Elaine's and dozens of peer reviewers help and it's now FREE online - my gift to you: www.thepermaculturestudent.com/download-ps2-free I think you'll find the soil section incredibly valuable :) :) :)
Josh, thanks for your efforts here. I found you through Dr. Ingham links. Based on Dr. Elaine's teachings, and from a unique perspective of our own, we've developed and have been testing an emerging technology that can 'wake' soil up overnight. We're currently under test at the Terraton Challenge put on by www.indogoag.com. As a semi-finalist of the Terraton Initiative, we're testing NIST (Nutrient Infused Soil Technology) under their program supervision. I'm attaching a link to a 4 week update video of one of our local test plots. The test is proving a 'Monsanto' field can be rehabilitated organically and used with strong results, immediately and with long-term positive residual effects - no cover crops or compost necessary. The science we're using is fundamental and backs you guys up (except this field was tilled because it was in really bad shape - sorry) and we figured out a way to make it happen overnight, economically, and on a commercial scale. We're three years into testing and ramping up third party verifications for marketing purposes. Feedback and challenges to the technology welcome - be prepared to be challenged as to what is possible! I know the info here is ambiguous, but if you or anyone here would like to know more or challenge the science behind NIST, Scott can be reached at OrganiLock in Madisonville, KY. ruclips.net/video/oLG7jyQM1Hs/видео.html Monsanto field makeover with surface mycelium growth
Zach bush has farmers footprint, no till movement. . . have these two superstars gotten together? I hope so. . . farmer's footprint, I support. . . the idea that it takes a year to switch over, and support each farmer who wants to get away from chemicals, but it sounds like it might be even faster with Dr. Ingham's method. Does anyone know of any organization or protests regarding banning glyphosate?
Easy they now have under crops that remain in the ground they stay on the ground and do the work for you. Machinery makers now make seed drills that can sow without removing the under crop. The problem is the money go round insurance companies, banks, government subsidies.
Oh my gosh! The adverts!... I know you need to generate an income from these podcasts but I can't spend 40 minutes listening to an Ad every 10 minutes....
I never understand Elaine's contentions with KNF. 1) Rice wasn't grown in forests ever, so I don't understand her point. Any medium is as effective in capturing old growth microbes as the other. I guess if you made a medium our of forest floor material it'd be better according to her logic? But that point about how cranberries mixed with that other thing she uses is flatly wrong. 2) She has never said why anaerobic is bad, considering that the microbiome in our guts are anaerobic and the microbes in the soil are mostly anaerobic. Yes, we all agree aerobic is better for topsoil, but she never fully elucidates why or how anaerobic is ultimately pathogenic, which we know isn't the case, given our own microbiome. 3) We have empirical evidence of KNF working. Maybe KNF can't explain why it works, but neither can Elaine. KNF was made by people who want to improve all farms, which is why it's open-source. Elaine, on the otherhand, keeps her knowledge secret and behind an incredibly steep paywall. I think Elaine is threatened by KNF, or she'd be able to discredit it better, which she doesn't. Can anyone answer these for me please?
I also feel like she doesn't understand John Kemp method either. His model pretty much feeds the plant necessary biology and when it's on the ground you are feeding the soil, but her anology was way off, considering our arms don't decay in order to feed the biology in our gut...
@@Zantoron you realize we can't tell the difference between aerobic and anaerobic bacteria, right? we just know that pathogens tend to thrive in anaerobic conditions.
@Elizar Tringov trees roots are in anaerobic conditions. root crops are in anaerobic conditions. wild grass roots are in anaerobic conditions. massive amounts of oxygen only penetrates the top couple inches of top soil. so elaine is wrong. i have a problem with people selling things that only wealthy elites can afford. elaine made her living as a professor before selling out. her compost is nothing special, but her price tag shows her ego, not her expertise.
@@BaltimoresBerzerker according to AEA reverse osmosis is the way to go...i think prices are a bit high though. I have hard water too but i think I'll just use what I have.
yeah i have access to organic commercial compost that isn't fantastic but isn't that ludicrous description she put out there. anyone selling, what was it, 1000 bucks (i cant remember what she said) per cubic yard of compost is a total ass. I think elaine relies on selling a brand more than solutions sometimes if her students are pillaging farmers with that price for "Elaine's magical recipe compost"
No matter how magical it is I haven't got the time or energy to make it, a shovelful of manure in a bucket of water left for 3 weeks that's how I make compost tea no need for electricity or airstones to bubble through it. A lorry load of manure left on top over winter has always worked fine for me.
@@ianwynne5483 i think she has the biological mechanisms down, but she undervalues less sophisticated approaches to getting good biology into the soil. apparently, if you don't make compost exactly like her you're making pathogens
@@Samb1600 SHe wants to make a living but yeah you 're right. Funny because if've seen a very good lecture of her, where at some point she was talking about "More-on farmers". She went something like "They will tell you to put this on and that on and more on and more on. What are you then? A moron farmer." Well it seems she is partaking in that very business. But in the end that's just how the world works.
"The micro-organisms do nothing for the soil, forget about them!" Sounds like: "The micro-organisms in the gut do nothing, forget about them!" We now know both those statements are false.
That's what I thought. Given the amount of money experienced growers could save by applying this knowledge (saving fertilizer, pesticides, labour and so on), it might be worth for these guys. But to spread that knowledge amongst young, new and aspiring farmers - which is quite important imho - it's just too expensive. Anyways, thanks for sharing the part of information that you're sharing for free, Dr. Ingham!
Just what I was thinking. Seems kind of greedy to me. I could never afford this but would love the information. Maybe she can write a book that we all can read. And make money off the royalties.
Yeah I agree she has the ability to teach much more than she does. The price and Her attitude in thinking one way (her way) fits all is a bit far out. Nature doesn't work in only one way with one ratio and soils are diverse and rich in their own different ways for different environments and climates allowing for many species to evolve. We don't need to be learning how to change the soil, but growing what works in your soil and climate and breeding crops so they will grow better in your soil and climate then soil health will happen naturally as you diversify.
The statement she makes at 13:04 completely blows my mind. The plant *knows* , in some none cerebal way, exactly what set of minerals it needs at any given time and it *has* at its genetic and biochemical disposal precisely what is required to compensate specific organisms in its rhizosphere for their work in providing the plant those same minerals. It's basically running a solid business. Nature is fucking fantastic.
The same thing is going on with you and your gut microbes right now.
Seriously, she’s a walking soil masterclass
Amazing lady, filled with knowledge to help our planet heal....
Dr. Ingham, bless you and what you produce; an opera singer! Wow!
Can't get enough of this. This knowledge and platform can save the our world.
THANK YOU
Such a great talk! Thank you Dr. Elaine and Josh
Dr. Elaine and Rose Nylund best things to come out of St.Olaf
Thank you Dr. Elaine and Josh
This is a fabulous interview!!!!!
Thank you both for this Wonderful and Qualitative interview. Deep respect, keep going! 🍉🍊🍋🍍
I enjoy this video so much :) thank you so much 😊 so appreciated
Wonderful guest!
'people who don't want to work as hard, growing high quality crops' - that's me to a T
i did not know who she was, but i sure do now.
🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for talking about the knf rice balls!
This is the content that is desperately needed. Excellent podcast! One word of advice when interviewing though. I know it's tough, but try your best to keep from saying um and like so often. It's better to just pause in thought for a second.
Very incomplete description and frequent misunderstanding of the Back to Eden method that Paul uses: He regularly uses the compost from his chicken yard, which is full of the composted chicken manure and the yard and garden waste that the chickens have not eaten, but has been scratched in and broken down in the chicken yard. Since his chickens are fed from the food grown on his property, it's a closed loop, with no chemicals being introduced into his garden or orchard. (I am surprised to hear Elaine had never heard of BTE!)
The chickens aren't necessary. They are just providing nitrogen (which helps break down the carbon quicker), which you can substitute for other sources. I use this method and quite like it. I have to disagree with Elaine on the compaction bit though. As long as you keep adding new mulch I find my soil quite loose and aerated. Really easy to dig through and transplant into. I also didn't have to wait 5 - 10 years to see good results. 🤷️
When she said she had never heard of the back to eden garden I lost all confidence in her. Paul has been doing this for years and his garden has been one of the most studied including his soil that was found to be lacking of nothing. They brush over it and she quickly dismissed it as a viable option with no real knowledge of how it works.
47:00 "it's not unusual for root systems of grasses to go down 25 ft." Incredible!
Thank you for your video!!
🙌 Thanks, Matt!
Aren't you the dude from Baker creek?
BaltimoresBerzerker yes that would be me ;)
@@ThePermacultureStudent I thought I recognized that smile! Thanks for the work you and your people do my man! You guys inspired me to start a compost company in order to finance my plant breeding obsession. Hopefully I'll see ya at the festival you guys throw one day. Have a good one dude!
@@BaltimoresBerzerker WOW that is so epic!! BTW I wrote a book with Elaine's and dozens of peer reviewers help and it's now FREE online - my gift to you: www.thepermaculturestudent.com/download-ps2-free I think you'll find the soil section incredibly valuable :) :) :)
Can I make compost from my olive tree leaves and olives? Please let me know because I already started
Josh, thanks for your efforts here. I found you through Dr. Ingham links. Based on Dr. Elaine's teachings, and from a unique perspective of our own, we've developed and have been testing an emerging technology that can 'wake' soil up overnight. We're currently under test at the Terraton Challenge put on by www.indogoag.com. As a semi-finalist of the Terraton Initiative, we're testing NIST (Nutrient Infused Soil Technology) under their program supervision. I'm attaching a link to a 4 week update video of one of our local test plots. The test is proving a 'Monsanto' field can be rehabilitated organically and used with strong results, immediately and with long-term positive residual effects - no cover crops or compost necessary. The science we're using is fundamental and backs you guys up (except this field was tilled because it was in really bad shape - sorry) and we figured out a way to make it happen overnight, economically, and on a commercial scale. We're three years into testing and ramping up third party verifications for marketing purposes. Feedback and challenges to the technology welcome - be prepared to be challenged as to what is possible! I know the info here is ambiguous, but if you or anyone here would like to know more or challenge the science behind NIST, Scott can be reached at OrganiLock in Madisonville, KY. ruclips.net/video/oLG7jyQM1Hs/видео.html Monsanto field makeover with surface mycelium growth
I could not find the price of her courses.
it's 5k
@@legumesvienna4458 shite! Really wanted to do the compost course :/ too poor
Zach bush has farmers footprint, no till movement. . . have these two superstars gotten together? I hope so. . . farmer's footprint, I support. . . the idea that it takes a year to switch over, and support each farmer who wants to get away from chemicals, but it sounds like it might be even faster with Dr. Ingham's method. Does anyone know of any organization or protests regarding banning glyphosate?
Omg 😱 she use prokaryotes and eukaryotes 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰haven’t heard someone use those words for so long 😍😍😍😍😍
I would like to see examples of successful corn/bean Midwest farm conversions
Easy they now have under crops that remain in the ground they stay on the ground and do the work for you. Machinery makers now make seed drills that can sow without removing the under crop. The problem is the money go round insurance companies, banks, government subsidies.
Oh my gosh! The adverts!... I know you need to generate an income from these podcasts but I can't spend 40 minutes listening to an Ad every 10 minutes....
😊
I never understand Elaine's contentions with KNF. 1) Rice wasn't grown in forests ever, so I don't understand her point. Any medium is as effective in capturing old growth microbes as the other. I guess if you made a medium our of forest floor material it'd be better according to her logic? But that point about how cranberries mixed with that other thing she uses is flatly wrong.
2) She has never said why anaerobic is bad, considering that the microbiome in our guts are anaerobic and the microbes in the soil are mostly anaerobic. Yes, we all agree aerobic is better for topsoil, but she never fully elucidates why or how anaerobic is ultimately pathogenic, which we know isn't the case, given our own microbiome.
3) We have empirical evidence of KNF working. Maybe KNF can't explain why it works, but neither can Elaine. KNF was made by people who want to improve all farms, which is why it's open-source. Elaine, on the otherhand, keeps her knowledge secret and behind an incredibly steep paywall.
I think Elaine is threatened by KNF, or she'd be able to discredit it better, which she doesn't. Can anyone answer these for me please?
I also feel like she doesn't understand John Kemp method either. His model pretty much feeds the plant necessary biology and when it's on the ground you are feeding the soil, but her anology was way off, considering our arms don't decay in order to feed the biology in our gut...
Because is way safer to use aerobic methods than anaerobic for commercial scale.
@@Zantoron you realize we can't tell the difference between aerobic and anaerobic bacteria, right? we just know that pathogens tend to thrive in anaerobic conditions.
@Elizar Tringov trees roots are in anaerobic conditions. root crops are in anaerobic conditions. wild grass roots are in anaerobic conditions. massive amounts of oxygen only penetrates the top couple inches of top soil. so elaine is wrong.
i have a problem with people selling things that only wealthy elites can afford. elaine made her living as a professor before selling out. her compost is nothing special, but her price tag shows her ego, not her expertise.
@Elizar Tringov a thousand dollars a yard of compost is yuppie bullshit
Website to buy elaine s microscope with camera ?
Is hard water good for growing microbes?
apperently not so
I've heard it's best to use a filter if in a state like Florida, with rough water.
@@BaltimoresBerzerker according to AEA reverse osmosis is the way to go...i think prices are a bit high though. I have hard water too but i think I'll just use what I have.
Well water with humic acids added will be good
That’s so cute :)
When scientist👩🔬 meet scientist 👨🔬, all they talk about is science 🧫:) that’s just so cute
Commercial compost aren't slimy and stinky, then follows a sales pitch. 37 min
yeah i have access to organic commercial compost that isn't fantastic but isn't that ludicrous description she put out there. anyone selling, what was it, 1000 bucks (i cant remember what she said) per cubic yard of compost is a total ass. I think elaine relies on selling a brand more than solutions sometimes if her students are pillaging farmers with that price for "Elaine's magical recipe compost"
No matter how magical it is I haven't got the time or energy to make it, a shovelful of manure in a bucket of water left for 3 weeks that's how I make compost tea no need for electricity or airstones to bubble through it. A lorry load of manure left on top over winter has always worked fine for me.
@@ianwynne5483 i think she has the biological mechanisms down, but she undervalues less sophisticated approaches to getting good biology into the soil. apparently, if you don't make compost exactly like her you're making pathogens
@@Samb1600 SHe wants to make a living but yeah you 're right. Funny because if've seen a very good lecture of her, where at some point she was talking about "More-on farmers". She went something like "They will tell you to put this on and that on and more on and more on. What are you then? A moron farmer." Well it seems she is partaking in that very business. But in the end that's just how the world works.
"The micro-organisms do nothing for the soil, forget about them!"
Sounds like: "The micro-organisms in the gut do nothing, forget about them!"
We now know both those statements are false.
Right around 8 minutes he was pretty rude! Like let her talk about how proud she is if her kids. That was a dick move, man.
$5k for classes? That's quite silly.
That's what I thought. Given the amount of money experienced growers could save by applying this knowledge (saving fertilizer, pesticides, labour and so on), it might be worth for these guys. But to spread that knowledge amongst young, new and aspiring farmers - which is quite important imho - it's just too expensive. Anyways, thanks for sharing the part of information that you're sharing for free, Dr. Ingham!
Maybe you get a 4000.00 microscope with it? Or the "mentor comes to your place and turns the pile...
Just what I was thinking. Seems kind of greedy to me. I could never afford this but would love the information. Maybe she can write a book that we all can read. And make money off the royalties.
Yeah I agree she has the ability to teach much more than she does. The price and Her attitude in thinking one way (her way) fits all is a bit far out. Nature doesn't work in only one way with one ratio and soils are diverse and rich in their own different ways for different environments and climates allowing for many species to evolve. We don't need to be learning how to change the soil, but growing what works in your soil and climate and breeding crops so they will grow better in your soil and climate then soil health will happen naturally as you diversify.
@@littleacrehomestead8914 I saw one of her books on ebay for hundreds of dollars...collectors item!