Thanks for posting mate - I really like studying these older clips, and the subtle dynamics of movement that are often hidden behind the deliberately exaggerated examples. Keep em coming :)
first kata "Koku" hit to Wrist second shuto to radial nerve then kick to Yano (middle of calf) and last to QL quadratus lumborum (shibatsu) as well as Ashi sabaki
its amazing what you can do to someone when they lunge a fist at you without retracting or having any decent form of striking or follow up attacks. Its almost like fighting a dummy.
Katas are exaggerated examples that show principles, not what you have to do to win a fight. I am relatively new, but i found several important principles in it. The main principle is to put the opponent into a void (Koku). Train that kata and then play with it. You will find a lot of things then. For example: Avoid a kick to the outside and dodge it just before your opponent puts his foot on the ground. He feels like stepping into a void - Koku. That is the perfect time for a counterstrike.
@@Ki_Hon what kind of kick, a lunge kick like a spartan kick? There are a ton of kick variations. To think you know what you opponent is going to do is tough. When things are telegraphed like in unrealistic lunging katas i feel it develops bad habits and a false sense of what you think you can do effectively in live sparring.
@@BaranNCTMB I agree and disagree. If you go to a mc dojo (those who sell you ninjutsu) that only shows you to do what is written in the densho, i agree. If someone only sees some youtube videos i can understand why a lot of people have that expression. There are good dojos with good training partners. Our sensei shows us fragments of different situations and suddenly you end up in a kata. That is always very interesting and makes a lot of fun. We never repeat a kata until we are used to it. We try to go with the flow. These ryuha (schools) where most likely visited by battle proven warriors that can fight very well. These principles are designed to bring them to the next level. These principles work with weapons. Before you start with weapons learn the taijutsu. That enabels you to handle every weapon; only the distance and your hands change. The rest is the same movement.
@@Ki_Hon i trained over 5 years with a bujinkan teacher who traveled to japan to train frequently. Im pretty sure that what im saying comes down to this, you really should open up your eyes and cross train. Take a bjj class and a kickboxing class. Then spar and try the techniques against unwilling and resisting partners. I have 3 years of bjj now and its way harder than ninjutsu and imo way more effective.
@@BaranNCTMB I did not want to offend you or show you a ominous "path to entlightenment". Thank you for the advice, because some people actually tend to gain "magic powers" xD Please do the same and consider that the reasons for this kind of training differ. For me the main reason is the art of movement (Ukemi, Nagare, etc). That saved my ass on many occasions (motorcycle accidents, skiing accident, moshpits). What surprised me is the improvement of my body structure (i have a bad back, hips and feet). That improved my quality of live without boring exercises. These priciples are valuable for me because i have the profit every day. I think it would be a shame to loose gyokku ryu just because it became old.
Thanks for posting mate - I really like studying these older clips, and the subtle dynamics of movement that are often hidden behind the deliberately exaggerated examples. Keep em coming :)
first kata "Koku" hit to Wrist second shuto to radial nerve then kick to Yano (middle of calf) and last to QL quadratus lumborum (shibatsu) as well as Ashi sabaki
@@gekiryudojo viendo el vídeo de koku, no parece que golpee el cuadrado lumbar (QL).
its amazing what you can do to someone when they lunge a fist at you without retracting or having any decent form of striking or follow up attacks. Its almost like fighting a dummy.
Katas are exaggerated examples that show principles, not what you have to do to win a fight.
I am relatively new, but i found several important principles in it.
The main principle is to put the opponent into a void (Koku).
Train that kata and then play with it. You will find a lot of things then.
For example:
Avoid a kick to the outside and dodge it just before your opponent puts his foot on the ground.
He feels like stepping into a void - Koku.
That is the perfect time for a counterstrike.
@@Ki_Hon what kind of kick, a lunge kick like a spartan kick? There are a ton of kick variations. To think you know what you opponent is going to do is tough. When things are telegraphed like in unrealistic lunging katas i feel it develops bad habits and a false sense of what you think you can do effectively in live sparring.
@@BaranNCTMB
I agree and disagree.
If you go to a mc dojo (those who sell you ninjutsu) that only shows you to do what is written in the densho, i agree. If someone only sees some youtube videos i can understand why a lot of people have that expression.
There are good dojos with good training partners. Our sensei shows us fragments of different situations and suddenly you end up in a kata. That is always very interesting and makes a lot of fun. We never repeat a kata until we are used to it. We try to go with the flow.
These ryuha (schools) where most likely visited by battle proven warriors that can fight very well. These principles are designed to bring them to the next level. These principles work with weapons.
Before you start with weapons learn the taijutsu. That enabels you to handle every weapon; only the distance and your hands change. The rest is the same movement.
@@Ki_Hon i trained over 5 years with a bujinkan teacher who traveled to japan to train frequently. Im pretty sure that what im saying comes down to this, you really should open up your eyes and cross train. Take a bjj class and a kickboxing class. Then spar and try the techniques against unwilling and resisting partners. I have 3 years of bjj now and its way harder than ninjutsu and imo way more effective.
@@BaranNCTMB I did not want to offend you or show you a ominous "path to entlightenment".
Thank you for the advice, because some people actually tend to gain "magic powers" xD
Please do the same and consider that the reasons for this kind of training differ.
For me the main reason is the art of movement (Ukemi, Nagare, etc).
That saved my ass on many occasions (motorcycle accidents, skiing accident, moshpits). What surprised me is the improvement of my body structure (i have a bad back, hips and feet). That improved my quality of live without boring exercises.
These priciples are valuable for me because i have the profit every day.
I think it would be a shame to loose gyokku ryu just because it became old.
*Gyokko ryu playlist* ruclips.net/p/PLkct-8Gcbd1fpF5HlbLcqYq8wl114RUsC
Anyone that has trained with Ishizuka San knows that his hands are made of steel and those strikes have to hurt.
Chocky77 anyone who tried with a kickboxer knows that kickboxer can kick your ass.
Nebojsa Rasic and if the Ninjutsu master brings a katana to fight the kickboxer lets hope the kickboxer is good at running away
Hard strikes...