A correction: At 7:04, I mis-spoke and referred to the Rus as 'Russians' - this is incorrect and should be 'Rus' instead, as I was referring to the Kievan Rus.
Pecheneg is a Turkish tribe. they were mentioned in the first Turkish language dictionary named Diwan Lugat Turk which was written in 1072 by Mahmud Kashgari. Pechenegs helped Seljuk Turks in Manzikert war.
@@ПетърЛозанов-ъ5п Pecheneg is one of 24 Oghuz tribes. Turkish are Oghuz tribes, but some of Oghuz tribes are in Türkmenistan some are in Azerbaijan and some are in iran (nearly half of iran population s Turks)
We, Romanians, have coexisted with Peçenegs and even took words from their language, before the Ottomans arrived at the Danube. There was even a foresty land in southern Transylvannia in which vlachs and peçenegs lived together, called "Silva Blaccorum et Bissenorum", which was what was about to become Amlaş and Făgăraș and the land in between. We also have A LOT of towns and villages called "Peceneaga" and "Tătărăști", especially in Eastern Oltenia, Wallachia and Dobruja. Multă dragoste din România❤🇷🇴
Fantastic video. Subscribed. Going to be honest, my knowledge of the Eastern romen/byzantine empire ends as we move from the ancient to the medieval time period. Its something I'm working on rectifying with some reading at the moment, but this was fascinating. Do you have any books that you suggest for a good grounding on Byzantium in this time period? My uni studies were focused on the late republic/early empire and my readings since have only really gone as far as the supposed "fall" of the west.
Thank you! I'm very glad you enjoyed the video, I'm hoping to do some more Byzantine videos and make a series of it. The 'Cambridge History of the Byzantine Empire' is a great place to go if you have a specific era you'd like to look at - the chapters are nicely divided by theme/time period/geography, and are very extensive. Also a brilliant starting point for further reading. I don't know if you're still studying, but the book is unfortunately incredibly expensive to buy (like so many academic books), so unless you can access it online through your university it might be no good. 'Byzantium: The Empire of New Rome' by Cyril Mango gives a good overview of the cultural history of the whole Byzantine Empire, and 'A Short History of Byzantium' by John Julius Norwich is brilliant as an introduction to the grand narrative of the empire from its beginning to its fall in 1453. Is there a period or area that you're specifically interested in, or is it more of an overview you'd like to start with?
Before I forget, 'Byzantium: The Surprising Life of a Medieval Empire' is excellent too, its non-chronological and a nice creative approach to the subject
@@JustAnotherHistoryChannel fantastic, thank you. It's an overview that's my main aim, and I like the sound of a non chronological one. I found in my time studying history I struggle with dates and names until I get a good grounding in themes and systems. A theoretical anchor if you like that I can then overlay with dates (though dates were always my biggest bugbear when studying!)
In the 2nd- 6th centuries BC Turkic tribes migrated from the territory of the Altay and East Turkestan. An assimilation of the indigenous and nomadic Turkic Saka population resulted in two new ethnic communities of Pechenegs and Oghuz. Those were the tribes of Pechenegs that formed the basis of the formation of ethnic Karakalpak. The very word 'karakalpak "means " black hats "and refers to that part of the Pecheneg tribes living on the territory of modern Karakalpakstan who wore hats from the black sheep's wool. They were called “black hoods” in the Russian and “kara malahayli” in the Mongolian.Fearing that the peace with Sviatoslav would not endure, the Byzantine emperor induced the Pecheneg khan Kurya to kill Sviatoslav before he reached Kiev. This was in line with the policy outlined by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus in De Administrando Imperio of fomenting strife between the Rus' and the Pechenegs.[45] According to the Slavic chronicle, Sveneld attempted to warn Sviatoslav to avoid the Dnieper rapids, but the prince slighted his wise advice and was ambushed and slain by the Pechenegs when he tried to cross the cataracts near Khortytsia early in 972. The Primary Chronicle reports that his skull was made into a chalice by the Pecheneg khan.[46]
@@гаструбал Kara Kalpaks speak a dialect of Kazakh anyway. and even all of us are Turkic. and Pecheneg is a Turkic tribe. they were mentioned in the first Turkic language dictionary named Diwan Lugat Turk which was written in 1072 by Mahmud Kashgari. Pechenegs helped Seljuk Turks in Manzikert war.
Your videos are well made and very interesting. I thought the history niche on youtube was all filled up at this point but your ideas are unique, I really hope your channel takes off
1:56 This map is from the 20th century and contains several anachronisms and weird names, as well as weird ahistorical borders on several accounts. For some reason, Croatia is marked as being the Magyar kingdom even though the personal union between Croatia and Hungary only started around 1102 AD, and the borders of Serbia (which is marked "Servia" for no reason) are... I won't even comment on them. I really think you should've gotten a better one. If you want to be a historical channel, you can't just incorporate a map that is this blatantly wrong.
I just realized that aside from Rashka (the actual historical name for the Serbian kingdom of this time) having its borders weirdly drawn, several cities such as Sremska Mitrovica and Niš have their locations off by quite a bit.
I agree it unfortunately isn't the best map as the names are older and have now been replaced - thanks for pointing out those errors it has! I will definitely try to be drawing more of my own maps from now on to avoid this. I only added this one as it has a nice style and does give a rough idea of the location of the Pecheneg territories, despite the dated names on it. I have now blurred the sections of the map with inaccuracies in the video so as not to cause confusion, and to correct the error.
11:24 Taksony is pronounced 'takshon' with a palatalized n. 12:57 Róna-Tas is pronounced 'rona tush'. Good video overall, but once the Pechenegs are depicted as whites, once as Asians, so which one were they?
Thanks for the correction, and my apologies for the bad pronunciation! They were ethnically Turkic and are thought to have originated from Central Asia.
Indeed, both Scythians and Pechenegs originated from the Central Asian steppe, so it's very likely that there were similarities in their dress, style of warfare, etc. The Scythians spoke an Iranian language, but by the early middle ages they seem to have been assimilated by Slavic peoples in the Pontic Steppe, and their languages assimilated or replaced by Slavic or Turkic ones. The Pecheneg language was Turkic, from the Oghuz branch of the family of Turkic languages.
And by not telling that Pecenecs are Turkic. You show your real intention. Cheap efforts of try not to commercialize Turkic anthropology. You westerners always tried Turks to relate with Indo-Europeans. Now you saw there is no way out as all the sources spilled on internet. You choose the erase the name👏👏👏👏
A correction: At 7:04, I mis-spoke and referred to the Rus as 'Russians' - this is incorrect and should be 'Rus' instead, as I was referring to the Kievan Rus.
Pecheneg is a Turkish tribe. they were mentioned in the first Turkish language dictionary named Diwan Lugat Turk which was written in 1072 by Mahmud Kashgari.
Pechenegs helped Seljuk Turks in Manzikert war.
@@eudaimonn Peçenek are one of Oghuz Turkish tribes. Turks in Türkye are Oghuz Turks. Oghuz Türks have 24 tribes. one of them are Peçenek.
1-Kayı, 2-Bayat, 3-Alka Evli, 4-Kara Evli, 5-Yazır, 6-Dodurga, 7-Döğer, 8-Yaparlu, 9-Afşar, 10-Begdili,11- Kızık, 12-Kargın;
13-Bayındır, 14-Peçenek, 15-Çavuldur, 16-Çepnî,17- Salur, 18-Eymur, 19-Ala Yundlu, 20-Yüreğir, 21-İğdir, 22- Büğdüz, 23-Yıva, 24-Kınık
@@eudaimonn you can learn more from my first list about Oghuz Turks.
The Pechenegs also fought as mercenaries for the Byzantines as well.
Turkic not Turkish 😏
*they are the grandparents of the Shopi people 😉
@@ПетърЛозанов-ъ5п Pecheneg is one of 24 Oghuz tribes. Turkish are Oghuz tribes, but some of Oghuz tribes are in Türkmenistan some are in Azerbaijan and some are in iran (nearly half of iran population s Turks)
We, Romanians, have coexisted with Peçenegs and even took words from their language, before the Ottomans arrived at the Danube. There was even a foresty land in southern Transylvannia in which vlachs and peçenegs lived together, called "Silva Blaccorum et Bissenorum", which was what was about to become Amlaş and Făgăraș and the land in between. We also have A LOT of towns and villages called "Peceneaga" and "Tătărăști", especially in Eastern Oltenia, Wallachia and Dobruja. Multă dragoste din România❤🇷🇴
Pechenegs are also Turks...
I live in Turkey, the name of our village is Pecheneg
Fantastic video. Subscribed.
Going to be honest, my knowledge of the Eastern romen/byzantine empire ends as we move from the ancient to the medieval time period. Its something I'm working on rectifying with some reading at the moment, but this was fascinating.
Do you have any books that you suggest for a good grounding on Byzantium in this time period? My uni studies were focused on the late republic/early empire and my readings since have only really gone as far as the supposed "fall" of the west.
Thank you! I'm very glad you enjoyed the video, I'm hoping to do some more Byzantine videos and make a series of it.
The 'Cambridge History of the Byzantine Empire' is a great place to go if you have a specific era you'd like to look at - the chapters are nicely divided by theme/time period/geography, and are very extensive. Also a brilliant starting point for further reading. I don't know if you're still studying, but the book is unfortunately incredibly expensive to buy (like so many academic books), so unless you can access it online through your university it might be no good.
'Byzantium: The Empire of New Rome' by Cyril Mango gives a good overview of the cultural history of the whole Byzantine Empire, and 'A Short History of Byzantium' by John Julius Norwich is brilliant as an introduction to the grand narrative of the empire from its beginning to its fall in 1453. Is there a period or area that you're specifically interested in, or is it more of an overview you'd like to start with?
Before I forget, 'Byzantium: The Surprising Life of a Medieval Empire' is excellent too, its non-chronological and a nice creative approach to the subject
@@JustAnotherHistoryChannel fantastic, thank you.
It's an overview that's my main aim, and I like the sound of a non chronological one. I found in my time studying history I struggle with dates and names until I get a good grounding in themes and systems. A theoretical anchor if you like that I can then overlay with dates (though dates were always my biggest bugbear when studying!)
Thanks for this excellent video and bringing to life the important history and role of the Pechenegs.
Good video, very professional.
Looking foward to your next video
GOOD channel
Remember me when you’re at 10k
just commenting as proof I subscribed before 1k for when your channel blows up for such amazing history content
Great video, your content is helping me get through work
In the 2nd- 6th centuries BC Turkic tribes migrated from the territory of the Altay and East Turkestan. An assimilation of the indigenous and nomadic Turkic Saka population resulted in two new ethnic communities of Pechenegs and Oghuz. Those were the tribes of Pechenegs that formed the basis of the formation of ethnic Karakalpak.
The very word 'karakalpak "means " black hats "and refers to that part of the Pecheneg tribes living on the territory of modern Karakalpakstan who wore hats from the black sheep's wool. They were called “black hoods” in the Russian and “kara malahayli” in the Mongolian.Fearing that the peace with Sviatoslav would not endure, the Byzantine emperor induced the Pecheneg khan Kurya to kill Sviatoslav before he reached Kiev. This was in line with the policy outlined by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus in De Administrando Imperio of fomenting strife between the Rus' and the Pechenegs.[45] According to the Slavic chronicle, Sveneld attempted to warn Sviatoslav to avoid the Dnieper rapids, but the prince slighted his wise advice and was ambushed and slain by the Pechenegs when he tried to cross the cataracts near Khortytsia early in 972. The Primary Chronicle reports that his skull was made into a chalice by the Pecheneg khan.[46]
Good video! There's hardly any Pecheneg content on RUclips.
there is it karakalpaks
I think Pechenegs are my direct ancestors. I am Kazakh person and we call Pechenegs as Kipchaks and they made a huge impact in Kazakh ethnogenesis
Person?
Kara kalpaks
@@гаструбал Kara Kalpaks speak a dialect of Kazakh anyway. and even all of us are Turkic. and Pecheneg is a Turkic tribe. they were mentioned in the first Turkic language dictionary named Diwan Lugat Turk which was written in 1072 by Mahmud Kashgari.
Pechenegs helped Seljuk Turks in Manzikert war.
Pechenegs are not Cumans (Kipchaks)
Do you think all nomads should be Kipchaks and the Huns should also be Kipchaks and the Arabs of the Bedunin nomads should also be Kipchaks?
Lovely channel, glad i found it!
Well… this video was certainly a good find!
Great content, looking forward for more
Praying for your growth
Your videos are well made and very interesting. I thought the history niche on youtube was all filled up at this point but your ideas are unique, I really hope your channel takes off
If you have any information about this tribe please tell me. As my last name is Pecenec i have some story links that could also help you.
Turcopoles🌝
Pechenegia is in Southern Europe, not Eastern. In the early XIth century the middle Don was Cuman, not Pecheneg.
Turks!
Strange thing is that the guy doesn’t mention that pechenegs are Turkic people, namely Kıpchak Turks…
1:56 This map is from the 20th century and contains several anachronisms and weird names, as well as weird ahistorical borders on several accounts. For some reason, Croatia is marked as being the Magyar kingdom even though the personal union between Croatia and Hungary only started around 1102 AD, and the borders of Serbia (which is marked "Servia" for no reason) are... I won't even comment on them. I really think you should've gotten a better one. If you want to be a historical channel, you can't just incorporate a map that is this blatantly wrong.
I just realized that aside from Rashka (the actual historical name for the Serbian kingdom of this time) having its borders weirdly drawn, several cities such as Sremska Mitrovica and Niš have their locations off by quite a bit.
I agree it unfortunately isn't the best map as the names are older and have now been replaced - thanks for pointing out those errors it has! I will definitely try to be drawing more of my own maps from now on to avoid this. I only added this one as it has a nice style and does give a rough idea of the location of the Pecheneg territories, despite the dated names on it. I have now blurred the sections of the map with inaccuracies in the video so as not to cause confusion, and to correct the error.
@@JustAnotherHistoryChannel You've earned a subscriber.
11:24 Taksony is pronounced 'takshon' with a palatalized n.
12:57 Róna-Tas is pronounced 'rona tush'.
Good video overall, but once the Pechenegs are depicted as whites, once as Asians, so which one were they?
Thanks for the correction, and my apologies for the bad pronunciation! They were ethnically Turkic and are thought to have originated from Central Asia.
@@JustAnotherHistoryChannel scythians
@@JustAnotherHistoryChannel in Google I looked at the image of the Scythians, the clothes and hat of the Scythians and Pechenegs are the same
@@JustAnotherHistoryChannel but what language did the Scythians speak Iranian? the Turkic language came later, displacing Iranian from the Pechenegs
Indeed, both Scythians and Pechenegs originated from the Central Asian steppe, so it's very likely that there were similarities in their dress, style of warfare, etc. The Scythians spoke an Iranian language, but by the early middle ages they seem to have been assimilated by Slavic peoples in the Pontic Steppe, and their languages assimilated or replaced by Slavic or Turkic ones. The Pecheneg language was Turkic, from the Oghuz branch of the family of Turkic languages.
Kievan Rus cannot be called Russians! It's just incorrect. Very good video though
You're quite right, I mis-spoke at 7:04 and should have said Rus instead of 'Russians' - I will add a note to the video, thanks for the correction!
wow. 17 minutes and no mention of their Turkic roots and language 🙂
W pecheneg sigma level GYATTT bruh
And by not telling that Pecenecs are Turkic. You show your real intention. Cheap efforts of try not to commercialize Turkic anthropology. You westerners always tried Turks to relate with Indo-Europeans. Now you saw there is no way out as all the sources spilled on internet. You choose the erase the name👏👏👏👏
Pechenegs this is karakalpakstan
Pechenegs this is karakalpaks
HAHGGAAG KARAKALOAKS TGE MONGOL WHERE TO BE KARAKALPACKS
@@kunterkuman3567Печенеги предки Каракалпаков в Украине многие село под именам Каракалпакский родам
Turkish people s today s
I am helenized Türkic i look Mongoloid i believe i am Kipchak Cuman i look like Kazakh while my ancestors look like Altay Türkic people
I may have Kipchak Cuman Altay and Pecheneg and Oghüz or all that ancestry both of my parents have Türkic ancestry