The Magicians: A Bold Deconstruction of Fantasy
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0:00 ACT I
4:05 First Interlude
4:19 ACT II
5:06 Magic
9:39 Fantasy
11:18 A Darker Reality
11:58 ACT III
12:38 Season 1
20:21 Season 2
25:09 Season 3
30:54 Season 4
45:11 Season 5
49:16 An Interesting Ride
50:25 Second Interlude
50:38 ACT IV
54:28 ACT V
57:04 Quentin, Julia and Jane Chatwin
01:18:53 The Problem with Fen
01:30:13 Margo and Josh, Julia and Penny
01:40:48 Bold
01:43:43 Third Interlude
01:43:56 Credits
01:44:32 01001001 
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Here is a fun game for you - take a shot every time I say "magic" [and its variations if you feel daring today]
Oh and also, #JusticeForFen
👀 What the... 4 days ago? The magicians? Video essay? Subscribed!
i'm having a cocktail for every time you change the thumbnail lol!
@@smooveayy cheers to that
SAME!
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People do not talk about this show enough. It was beautiful. The episode called “A life in the Day” where Q and Elliot raised a family made my jaw drop. It changed my entire perception of how I live my life - that hasn’t happened to me since I watched The Good Place on NBC.
The show is not perfect and veers away from the books in many ways but the world building is so enthralling. I met Lev Grossman once when he came to visit my university back in 2014. He was so chill and told me all about the different ideas he had used versus those he had dropped for the book. His process of creating a consistent magic system is top tier.
Also this convo in the show will NEVER not be hilarious:
“Why are you locked up?”
“Because I killed all their trees.”
“That’s it?”
“They were magical talking trees.”
“Wait, Fillory has talking trees?!”
“Not anymore.”
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Peaches and plums ❤
If you read the books first, you would have thrown a brick at your tv
@@AddictiveSin I read the books after and I half-agree. But the show was riveting in its own right.
Audiobooks on audible unabridged. If your a fan of the show and never dabled in the books complete the experience.
Not a advertisement I got the books on audible after the beast nearly killed everybody the first time and the contrast and character fusions are interesting.
A day in a life is a comfort episode for me. I love everything about that episode 😍
This show was everything for me, I hated how it ended 😔 but I'm still grateful for it. It mixed magic and school and relationships and fantasy in a way that i haven't seen ever, thank you for this.
The books end completely differently!! They also explore more of the college and Fillory, 100% would recommend
If Harry Potter is classical music this is rock and roll with splashes of pop. I fkn love this show ❤❤
“I am the hero of this goddamned story, Ember! Remember? And the hero gets the reward!” “No, Quentin,” the Ram said. “The hero pays the price.”
-The Magician King
The 3rd season of this show is genuinely one of the best seasons of TV I have ever watched and it will always hurt to know that the show couldn't manage to maintain that quality going forward.
yup and that scene of Margot and Elliot's conversation in pop culture code is the main reason
I love the 3rd season so much! I rewatch it all the time. Though S4+5 aren't as good, I still like S4.
My pitch for most people who I think would actually enjoy the series is "Imagine if those desperate childhood yearnings of yours were true, magic was real and you were one of the special chosen few...but it didn't fix you. You were still you, and you were still miserable, and you still had to find your way through it." It might sound like a miserable way to recommend something, but when I was a teenager it was honestly comforting to have a book say "It's turtles all the way down, kid. People with magic would just have magic problems. You just deal with the hand you're dealt and take care of the people you can take care of." Also in the same line I actually like the show better than the book series, I like the direction they took with it.
I've described it as "Imagine Harry Potter but all the characters are already adults and they're all damaged."
"You were still you, and you were still miserable." Wow. That hurt. But probably the reason why it's so appealing to me yet so hard to watch. The fantasy SHOULD help but it doesn't because the reality of it all keeps slapping me in the face.
hey, i loved the show and want to start reading the books. do you think its worth it?
i was so pissed at the end of s4 when it aired that it took me like 3 years to get over it and finish the show. with distance, i wasn't as pissed at the death of quentin, although it still hurts
Dawww man, I am only on season 2 T_T
Honestly, though, Quentin was kinda just there. Like i never really grew to care for him. The show really didn't need him. Plus, im pretty sure that they killed him off because the actor wanted to leave.
@@iamallaboutfood7242 babe ur watching a retrospective video on the show I don’t know what to tell you
@@aeas09 that’s fair, i liked him a lot, even more so on rewatches, he’s a different kind of protagonist, messy and often wrong, i liked that about him.
I still havent gone back. The absolute betrayal of his character was entirely too much. And then the gall to sing fucking take on me while burning his shit, and making no attempt to bring him back. Penny? Oh well have multiple episodes focused around his return from the dead. Quinton tho? Nah he can stay dead
OMG someone finally someone talking about this show
I always felt that mounting the tension for a big epic reveal who turn out as very mundane and anticlimatic was perfectly in tune with the story, it break the mystic of magic, the old god, the librarian, showing them as dysfunctonal and whimsical as the human side.
I feel like you are assuming that Jane Chatwin was omnipotent, implying that she knew exactly what would happen to Julia and essentially had control over each loop when that is pretty explicitly not the case. Also younger Jane did know that her brother needed help and she was seeking answers and ways to help him for many years unsuccessfully and eventually was forced to choose prioritizing the world over him.
Similarly, I always assumed that the reason why she leaves them in the dark this time around is that in previous attempts, she HAS let them know what was going on (to different degrees), and they still failed.
Exactly. This is Timeline 40. FOURTY. I'm sure she tried big changes at first, and when Q and co kept 'stepping up' in a lot of timelines, she started changing things specifically with the group to see how the changes affected the timeline. I'm going on the basis that the time powers and the loop works like this: she can't change anything that's already happened, as shown by how she is actually an antagonist to her younger self, presumably to make herself stronger to become the Watcher Woman she needs to be; sort of a self fulfilling prophecy/paradox. She created the time loop that goes back to the same time every reset, and she can't go back further and create a different loop, only in her current time, hence why she can't go back and save her brother from the abuse.
Now, my biggest point: The time loop canonically doesn't end the previous timeline, all of those worlds still exist and we get to see some. We see that in at least one, they DO defeat the Beast, but the fallout was so bad that Jane reset the loop anyway. Meaning, that if Jane hadn't been finally killed by the Beast in this timeline, she probably would've reset it after learning what her change this loop did to the group and Julia specifically. THAT'S my biggest sticking point on this narrative of Jane as an antagonist. She died in this loop, leaving no one left to reset it when, despite winning against the Beast, it still being a 'bad ending' which I fully believe she would've done.
The big secret could be suffering didn't exist. Pain. Hatred all that greed. A fight between the gods brought it fourth and the monster is a manifestation of that pain. So they locked it up but it still leaked into the world. The monster hates the gods because it can never feel joy, happiness or the absence of suffering. For it is suffering itself. And hopes that by killing the gods it will get something close to peace.
Lets face it Margot and Elliot absolutely steals the whole show they are the best comic reliefs turned main characters that i have ever seen
Wow, you're so right about Fen. I didn't notice just how much she's gone through because I kept seeing it from the leads' perspective. Really makes you think
This is one of my favorite series of all time and it’s such a shame not many have seen it. Very grateful it went on for as many seasons as it did just with the smaller fan base. Bring it back!!
36:30 "This isn't the first time The Magicians has thrown out ideas that could have been good."
That's the perfect summary of the "The Magicians" viewing experience. I am told by other TV shows that Sera Gamble writes for does exactly this: lays a bunch of small threads that she has no intention of picking up in the future, but wants them there just in case she comes up with some idea for them later. It's maddening for anyone who is a close reader/viewer and looking for trace evidence of what's to come. This form of writing makes so much of how these seasons resolve feel like an ass-pull.
It was referenced that Quentin was Jane's focus and she did leave him out of the school and he still some how ended up in Fillory
I don't think the auidence is supposed to laugh at Fen or this different culture. It's to show that the characters never consider Fillory and it's people as real. To them it is a story. Even when they are living in it it's not real to them, not fully. It's to show how they aren't really good people / self centered.
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100000% agree!
i found these books in middle school and was so grateful to face some harsh topics that i needed to see people work through at that time in my life. this show i learned to love as a separate entity from the books, and im so glad people are talking about it! i find that the show is like someone read the three books then ran with the idea. i could rant about this world and concept for hours ahhhh. would love to see a conversation about the books vs show and about the subverted tropes, like how que tin is kind of an inverse chosen one concept where he’s just kind of mid or bad at everything while all his friends are highly skilled in something
I just consider the show as one of the many timelines that exist as result of the loops. I personally find it comforting, imagining there are many other versions of the characters from the books and the show that somewhere out there found a happy ending
Okay you’ve forced my hand, I’ll watch The Magicians again.
What are the odds that I literally just picked up the book series because I couldn't stop thinking about this show. I just re-watched the whole series and I needed more the fact that this is crossing my feed one day later is wild
A Magicians video! A proper Magicians video! Oh wow!! I'm saving this to watch once I wake up tomorrow. Damn! Yesssss!
Damn, Eliot Waugh is in my top 3 of all time favourite tv characters. Shame that i cannot go back to the show since I'm still super bitter about how things ended up with it.
You're being way too hard on Jane. Remember, this is a time loop. She tried ALL of it, she confronted the Beast, she had Quentin not join Brakebills, she gave them all the informations at the start... all of it. She's also working against an opponent that knows what she's doing, and at this point it's a game of cat and mouse. She's trowing anything at the wall in the hope something sticks, and you gotta assume the Beast just kills everyone if she interferes too much - but if she only makes minor changes, it's entertaining enough for the Beast to witness what's changed this time that he plays along, and this is Jane's best chance to defeat him. She hurries the plot along just enough to not bore him, and makes just enough changes each time to keep him entertained.
Also blaming Jane for what happened to Julia doesn't make sense. If I remember right Jane pushed Julia out in this one time loop. But even if it was more than one, Jane didn't set up how Jullia became stronger.
Yeah. I was mostly with him up until that point. The sheer number of time loops shows that Jane has been trying to help her brother and the world in any way she could. And that Q just ALWAYS found his way to the center of the chaos. I also feel like that's why his death was earned, he ALWAYS died TRYING to perform a heroic act.
I got really excited seeing this video cuz I never hear anyone talk about this show! The Magicians was really important to me in high school & going into college, cuz there are tons of stories with heroic or otherwise virtuous heroes, but Quentin Coldwater was one of the few main characters I could relate to on grounds of his introverted nature. I also just loved their approach to magic, gods & other fantasy things! Such a great show!
This show is kind of my life, it somehow was a huge influence in my life’s Quentin was definitely someone who resonated with me. As did Elliot, this series was really bold and out there, but it’s an actual ‘adult’ in a modern fantasy series and the dark realities that comes with the whimsical and how the two can either co exist or we see the seams fray
Though I think you missed the mark on some things, ultimately missing the unintentional genius of certain parts, I get where you're coming from. Happy to see this show getting discussed more.
Reading the comments, it would seem I'm in the minority, but I actually liked Quentin's death. I had not seen anything about the writers' interviews and I don't much care what they said in them. I liked that the character who knew they were maybe the least competent magician of his group, yet who was once told he was chosen and had been proven wrong, was given the chance to choose to be a hero, and he made that difficult choice even as the love he had lost with Alice had just come back. And I enjoyed that it came not from a grand magical feat but from the humble "minor mending" specialty that had once punctuated just how out of his depth he was. In a way, they are almost subverting the earlier subversion of the "chosen one" not being the actual driver of the plot or the savior/warrior, for whatever importance there is to discussing the subversion angle of things. I don't disagree with some of the other takes, but I just don't see how this death was bad for the show; it felt appropriate and meaningful to me.
We're definitely a minority in this small fandom, but I agree 💕
I'm also just glad to see people talking about this show
I agree. It was vrry painful but it had so much meaning
I agree as well. I feel his death made a real and lasting difference for the return of magic having an ultimate price.
As it’s said “Magic comes from pain” and what a more beautiful and hurtful thing to do than to kill the one person who always and unwaveringly believed in magic.
Glad there are other people of taste. Quentin's death is so powerful. Still can't listen to take on me the same 😢
Also think it paved more room for the other protagonists that did get more room without the "main" character.
Yeah, I definitely agree with this. To add, I also found Quentin to be slightly annoying so his death really didn't phase me. My only critique, however, was that his death fell into the "lowkey suicidal character sacrifices themselves to save their friends" trope which I've always found problematic due to the message it may send to people actually struggling with suicidal ideation. But I think this also falls in line with a larger critique I have about the show's main message of "magic comes from pain" which is definitely subversive but also falls into the trap of almost glamorizing the characters' suffering, which again has real world implications for viewers who may also be in a dark place.
The Order is another that was surprisingly good, largely because of the cast having a great balance of individual charisma and chemistry with literally everyone else (much like The Magicians). Not the same magical vibe though, think ceremonial magick but extra bloody
Magician's content?? In 2024?? Yes please???
If anyone can chose for Julia either to become human or a goddess. It should’ve been Quentin because Quentin is her best/childhood friend. He knows her and he would know that she wanted magic and he would chose to her to become a goddess again
I think the ability for us to bond with the characters and be hurt by any character(s) is a form of testament to the world building and character writing. I feel like I really understood the characters motivations and feelings.
I finished the show when i it came to Netflix and I have been waiting for this show to be talked about! Im 27 now and really want to do a rewatch
I dont hate the quentin thing , but it was unnessesary. , and it potentially having his depression and unaliving question, is the real , not great.
And in season one he had straight to his face accepted that he isnt the main character its around, hell his discipline and him trusting alice is all about that.
Also it had to be julia, because as much creative liberty there is, they still take from the books as source, and julia is there, even if its doing itzs own thingsa .
They do address this in the show tho. “Did i do something brave to save my friends or did i finally find a way to kill myself. ” The funeral scene is one of the handful times i have actually shed a tear while watching something. Yeah it might have been unnecessary but i feel the key takeaway from this show is things happen in life and you have to get through them.
Not sure when, but i got to the point of loathing their "mentors" for constantly withholding vital information.
It felt like a show that was written like fan fiction: serialized and constantly changing to fit the audience and not always the plot (I did still like it though, of course)
Time for a rewatch binge! I liked how the magic was built in this show, it had a lot of structure and intention.
omg i've been waiting for a good Magicians video analysis! thank you for this
this was such an amazing video!! it's so nice to see this show talked about again after so long
Quinton was never the main character. He was the perspective character. Killing him off to subvert the straight white male lead was so misplaced. Q was never the most important character nor the main character, he was just the audiences point of perspective into this world. The writers took that away and the show suffered greatly for it.
yeah and also it wasn't the showrunners decision the actor wanted out
Omg!!! A long magicians video essay. My dreams have come true!!!
Can you please cover The Librarians series next
😭 that Show became so corny but it was my shit.
@@Zxykary Maaaan I loved it
been waiting for this one!
very thankful for the video essay and how amazingly put together this is, I do disagree with your opinion on Quentin's death though. I believe it was a necessity in order to show light to other characters in depth. One of my personal favorite scene's are when Alice and Eliot hike up to The Mountain of Ghosts to grieve and say "goodbye" to Quentin, we get a huge emotional moment between the two as Eliot reveals that him and Q were more than friends, or how other cast members to go to extreme lengths or just the vast, out of place character choices that take place due to the grief put on them from Q's death. I watched this whole thing it was amazing! Great work!
Before I even watch I wanna thank you for making a video on my favorite show, not many know of it and make videos on it. Thank you.
This was a very World of Darkness RPG show. Got so many Mage the Ascension and Changeling the Dreaming vibes.
Million percent yes. I loved this vibe about it also
when i first read the books, i wanted it to be a movie. then years later talks of it being a series came up and i was so hyped. and although the budget from syfy isnt that big, it did bring the book justice.
Seen the show twice, read the books, and visual novel. Finally a 2 hour long video essay drops
This show was and absolute gem, until the seond last season, when... oh well.
Magic is pain..... But magic as you watch the series can be bitterly sweet and beautiful. Though Quentin death broke me in never understood how people used the phrase to show and characters till this death happened. And its sincerely an understatement. Also julia into arc will break anyone whose been sa though she doesn't get the amount of spotlight as the others.
One other thing that i love about the show is that the show is not an adaptation of the books but a different time line
I LOVE THIS ENTIRE VIDEO PLEASE DO MORE
This is a really good video essay on The Magicians! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and perception on all it, you really hit on the head what bothered me about how the show treated Fen.
Finally!
This commentary is not for the faint of spirit!
Thank you for tackling this, you-Brave You.
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love this show. awesome video!
Ok, when it comes to Quentin getting accepted and Julia getting rejected have more to do with what happens in the books. Julia becomes obsessed with magic to the point where it ruins her life but she trucks through it joins every hedge wizard organization across the USA and becomes one of the most powerful and most well versed magicians. She then joins an organization seeking higher power tries to get it through this French God. However the group is deceived accidentally summons a jackal God instead. The jackal God grants her request for higher power by raping her taking her soul as a human and putting his seed in her so that she will become a dryad. Then over years she slowly loses more and more for humanity until she transforms. She actually had nothing to do with fighting the beast in the book series. In the books Alice sacrifices herself to kill the beast. Janet Chatwin explains to Quintin about her time travel powers and how she's not very skilled with them. Quintin begs her to use her power bring back Alice but she says she doesn't want to risk it because she doesn't know if they could be the beast again. What does this have to do with Julia? Absolutely nothing which is what makes what happened to her such a tragedy. That was a bit of an underlying theme throughout the books, what good is all this power if there's no meeting to your life.
Attacking while defending. Great essay!
I feel like the biggest mistake was making their fantasy world so absurd and annoying. They seemed to forget that if it was really underwhelming and foolish it would seem weird for two adults to be obsessed with the book series.
the scope of the magicians would be better ina hbo show id say because of the whole gods and outergods and timelines stuff could be done better by them i think
I am so excited to watch this!! Also pissed you beat me to making a video documentary on this show
I read these as they were coming out and was so excited for the show. Then I watched a few episodes and couldn't stand it. It wasn’t until a friend told me things got better in season 2 that i suffered through it. And season 2 was good, not great. Season 3 actually had me wanting to watch more, but there wasn’t any yet. I honestly thought it got cancelled or something lol. If anything, thanks for the reminder to watch the rest.
The essay was absoloutly brilliant!
Such great timing! I literally just finish re-reading the first book so that I can start the second and have slowly started re-binging the series. I never finished the final season (for the same reason as many other people), but I’m going to push through this time.
Love your reviews, pats galore
Haha thank you!
I absolutely LOVED this show! I remember seeing the trailer and wondered if it was tied to a book I had read before. I think it was I don't remember.
Anyway, the characters, the situations they were in, the clothes, the sets. Oh man. I think I'll do a rewatch. I was sad to see it go. I didn't like that they offed my guy. And you know what else? I only know 3 other people that watched this show.
this series has a really special place in my heart, to watch this video essay was a great reminder why I love it so much
Amazing video
I think the fall down in season 4 is where they too the biggest step away from the books, and it seems like they fumbled it. Im guessing without having it plotted out as well things fell off the rails.
I beg anyone who liked the show but was dissappinted to read the books. Q lives in the books.
I think the 50 odd previous timelines had been about Jane trying to promote the more talented other kids but regardless of circumstance she always ended up with a Quentin, so after 50 fails she give Quentin a try and then died, so she couldn’t try a new combo.
If she’d tried centering Q 50 times and failed every time I think the idea of misogynist Jane would hold more water.
Do you mean misandrist?
I really enjoyed these books I had no idea there was a series.
i love you for this
The praise "have you seen my bambi" still gives me goosebumps
On its all Jane’s fault- I believe it was the inherent misogyny of the writers that they decided to try to fix when the actor who played Quinten wanted out. I expect the writers would say that they wrote Jane from the perspective of a woman of her time, when misogyny - but I expect that women of that time didn’t actually like the misogyny, they just had a harder time saying anything about it.
After years I have finally come across a Magicians analysis video
Nice video
This is my all time favorite show. I cant wait to watch this
I really liked the first season or so of the show, but I felt like it got a little too vindictive towards certain characters and almost relished in tormenting them. That’s not a bad thing, but it turned me off of it enough that I stopped watching either towards the end of season 3 or just after starting season 4
One of my favorite shows ever.
1:45:17 the way i never noticed the candle of spike lmao
that's really funny cause i was just talking to someone about how much I loved this show and boom this pops up
Damn, this show hasn’t been on my mind since I shared the last episode with my since divorced wife. Brings back so many good and bad memories. Thanks for this video❤. I won’t watch it because it hurts, but thank you for making it ❤
been waiting for someone to truly WAKE IT when it comes to this show
at the time s4 aired my partner (who reminded me a lot of Quentin) had recently died by suicide so it was an extra blow to see one of my favorite characters die in such a hollow way. The show basically sent the message that suicide is the answer to feeling lost and purposeless and that self sacrifice is the ultimate conclusion to mental health struggles. A super messed up message to send. I used to love the Magicians but I think the show runners misunderstood their own show/ story. Yes it’s subversive and a story of struggle but it felt like trauma p*rn at times and virtue signaling at others. It was “wink wink, nudge nudge” but not in a way that, retrospectively, was fully enjoyable, warranted, or made narrative sense. Subversive media like the 1st Scream movie works because while it subverts expectations, it’s not just going for shock value- there’s narrative purpose. I wanted to keep my love for the Magicians alive but s4 tainted all the positives for me. It did many things right and interesting but it also did many questionable things that send harmful messages. Despite trying to subvert tropes the show runners fell into traps they tried to avoid and then went: look were progressive because we have a diverse cast/ female characters aren’t 100% pure, etc. But it was hollow and often came across as misogynistic or at the expense of a character’s identity or personal struggles which is arguably not progressive at all. Thank you for making this video. I’m glad to know others feel similarly all this time later
This show was a huge part of why I became a writer. It really isn't a perfect show, and this review makes it even more painfully obvious. But it is always nice to go back to those fond memories of a show like this with a critical lens, in order to build something better and worthwhile for the future generation.
I follow the show at the end of s1 & got hooked till the end. Love the show.❤
I loved this show so much when it was coming out, as a young queer then suicidal person Quention meant the world to me. He was the template of the happiness I could achieve, living out his life someone he loves. When they killed him off, I had a mentall breakdown. It may seem stupid but he meant so much to me and to my young fragile mind seeing someone like me ultimately taking their own life was.... Heartbreaking. They may think they were being subversive, but ultimately they just did "Bury your Gays" in the most vile possible way. I never forgot them for it and stopped watching immediatly.
*THIS IS BETTER THAN HARRY POTTER*
Hi, loved your video. But I think you're wrong about Quinn he is the main character/chosen one. He is not the smartest or the strongest or wins all the fights. He is the intersecting point through him everyone comes together. Elliot and Margot are involved because of Quinn. Alice only finds herself involved because of Quinn, the same as for Julia and Penny. You can argue it was the Beast that brought Penny, but we're thinking of future events, the Beast only targeted Penny because of his future connection to Quinn. Quinn is the character that brings everyone to the table. Without him, it doesn't work. That is why I think he is still the chosen one.
Love the video. Just one thing. You forgot the volunteer tomato conversation. It kind of explains a lot of the stuff you said didnt make sense about Jane Chatwin 'choosing' Quentin (and the fact that she did try to handle her brother herself, and couldnt do it.)
Thank you! No, I didn't forget about that conversation. In hindsight, I should have conveyed this more concretely, but I very consciously brought up this point even with the context of that conversation. The term that I use, "choosing", is not me describing the situation in that way, I am not putting words in the show's mouth in this instance. In 4x07, a.k.a. "The Side Effect", a character says in reference to Quentin that "He's the one the little British girl picked to save the world". Yes, Jane does say that he keeps coming back, but the show still points to the fact that Jane *did* choose. Now as to why I have an issue with it - the show very explicitly points out how inept Quentin is in comparison to the entire cast. Quentin even himself says in 1x13 that he understands how magic works and that Alice is a better magician than him. I think the show uses this to point out that magic in "The Magicians" doesn't simply run on the belief in it, but actually requires skill that Quentin doesn't have. So it really just seems like Jane choosing Quentin - the one magician who is one of the least talented within the cast - over and over again is just a stupid choice. Yes, I get what they are going for with the chosen one narrative, but it doesn't really make sense in that particular world where magic is run on hard skill. This is an issue for me in the first place because the show makes Julia - a character who is shown to actually be talented - earn her place. Quentin - a not talented magician - is simply handed it. And why does that happen? Jane. Her choices simply don't make sense within the world that she is in, because they are not practical choices at all. I would assume she knows how magic works at that point. To repeat what I already said - it is fine that the show conveys this. What is not fine is how the show ultimately frames it.
@@andrewreviews i always interpreted her 'chosing' him because he isn't the best at it, but if he tries to get rid of the beast he won't be alone. Like a power of friendship kind of thing. If it was alice i fully believe she'd do it alone and Julia wouldn't ask for help much either as that's not her strong suit until her and kady are friends.
I also interpreted the volunteer tomato conversation as the first time he fought the beast jane didn't prompt him at all and felt bad about him dying for her cause so she started the loop to see if he could accomplish it, but unfortunately since it's her time loop she couldn't fight the beast since it would be over if she died. And that since it's timeline 40 she's guiding him (albiet vaguely) because of something she learned in the other 39 timelines.
As for what was going on in the writers room concerning her being vague, i think it was just so it would be cool and mysterious
But anyway that's just my takes on that
I loved The Magicians, it really was something special. I was sad when it ended but the series finale was bittersweet
I really enjoyed watching The Magicians during 2020. I think seasons 1 and 2 were interesting in setting up the world and connections but couldn't really get into how dark it was, but I stayed watching because of how much I enjoyed the margo and elliot hijinks in fillory. S3 was a lot more fun to watch and s4 was like a gut punch but in a 'sad but beautiful' sort of way. I also enjoyed both the s3 and s4 in how they felt more structured and character driven, the increased introduction of fillory which allowed for a lighter vibe to contrast the human world, as well as their respective musical episodes. I'm glad to see somebody do such an in-depth review of this series that I greatly enjoy (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*.✧
the first scene of the beast gets me everytime, its absolutely horrifying
Liked the show. Great actors and Julia is a goddess.
banger video
I would argue that season 4 was the dichotomy of chaos vs order and how they can look like and how they can both be boring and mundane and unpredictable. On how antagonists looking for order doesn't have to be flashy or cool - it can be as sinister as being boring.
This is an excellent deconstruction of the show. Truly eye opening and intriguing to watch.
I’m pretty sure I finished the show but for the life of me I can’t remember how it ended. Or maybe I gave up mid monster storyline 🤷🏽♀️
I have a hedge witch tattoo. The show makes my heart so happy as messy as it can be. I hope one day I can make or get replicas of the keys
I watched all the way until the moon shattered in my first watch thru. I really absolutely loved it, I just didn't want to finish it, so I never did lmao. But then when I rewatched it, I fell in love with it again. It's honestly EXACTLY my taste. Like I had no idea something could match what I would want to watch so badly. And yea, honestly, that blind love for it did blindside me to the criticisms of the show, but you make some really great points. Especially about Fenn. I always hated how they treated her. She had so much depth but was always the punching bag. I do really love Margo and Josh tho. I thought they were a really cute couple. I preferred Penny and Kady, but I understand why they diverged. Kady is definitely my favorite, but Elliot will always be so close. I think this show suffers like other shows that always aired on cable is that they make the plots seem all over the place because they don't have a concrete beginning middle and end. They just pray that they get renewed for another season and work with it then. For example, Stranger Things to me feels fleshed out in the characters and even side characters because it was made to only have 5 seasons. The continuous model of cable made shows I absolutely love like Supernatural turn into, well, that lol. On one hand, I love that it's 15 seasons because it's so many hours that I can binge, but on the other hand, the writing and plot seem to always suffer for it.
I just learned through this video there is a 5th season. brb i got a season to binge
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