HUGE Necron changes

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  • Опубликовано: 12 янв 2025

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  • @Ginger33333
    @Ginger33333 2 месяца назад +15

    GW have played a blinder with their Necron sales strategy for 10th. They've systematically made almost every unit worth taking at least once during the edition, even if those units don't always stay meta for long. Now it's the turn of Obeisance units, and Szarekhs and Praetorians will no doubt be flying off the shelves in time for Xmas. Very well played, James Workshop!
    In other news, I hate to nitpick, but why doesn't the Command Barge have the 'Noble' keyword!? It's literally an Overlord on his techno-chariot. The second and third words on the lore section of the datasheet are 'Necron nobles'... MAKE COMMAND BARGES GREAT(ER) AGAIN!

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +3

      @@Ginger33333 fully agree on command barges! And on GW's strategy

  • @jakubjamrozik835
    @jakubjamrozik835 2 месяца назад +20

    Monolith is dead, Long live to the King

  • @IDICBeer
    @IDICBeer 2 месяца назад +4

    Great chat guys. The changes also mean both Imotekh and Trazyn now benifit from the detachment rule.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      @@IDICBeer great point! Thanks Nick

  • @AdamRotering
    @AdamRotering 2 месяца назад +6

    Yay. Was waiting for this since the points changes

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you! We won't be the fastest, but it's not about being fast it's how you use... the knowledge... yes, that's what I was meant to say.

  • @chrisbeau76
    @chrisbeau76 2 месяца назад +2

    Love 2 units of 10 Flayed Ones with infiltration, and the larger footprint helps prevent enemy units from deep, striking certain parts of the board

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@chrisbeau76 excellent point

  • @toro_sensei
    @toro_sensei 2 месяца назад +3

    Super excited im a new 40k fan (yes because of space marine 2) and i was think about painting minatures and have watched videos and matches about the table top game but wasn't sure if i would commit to the hobby side of it but when i was in a lical hobby shop that had miniatures thats when i saw the silent king model and was sold, at the ti.e didnt know who he was or what necrons were yet but i just knew he was cool, though he is a longer term prject while i practice on warriors and what not to get use to painting, the silent king will always have a special place for getting me into the minature/tabletop side of 40k

    • @Mumpfoon
      @Mumpfoon 2 месяца назад +1

      Awesome stuff ! Welcome to the hobby! Necrons are a great faction to get started with and Szarekh is an amazing model. Hope you have fun with painting and playing.

    • @xavierdruid
      @xavierdruid 2 месяца назад +1

      @@toro_sensei welcome, glad to see new people to love the hobby. I hope you have fun.

    • @haraldvondoom3314
      @haraldvondoom3314 Месяц назад

      Welcome to the hobby to you as a new proud Necron daddy. I also build my first Necron model today and now have a family of 7 sturdy and healthy Necron Warrior boys. Tomorrow I build more. 😊

  • @misterzealous8696
    @misterzealous8696 2 месяца назад +1

    Great breakdown. I am really excited to see a new detachment playable that has such a lore-focused theme while not losing a different detachment. Next up the Annihilation Legion?

  • @Trengenator
    @Trengenator 2 месяца назад +2

    While this video is a few weeks old, I figured I’d leave the comment here. I would love if you guys made videos highlighting a fun list and a competitive list at a 1000,1500, and 2000pt game. I am coming from Custodes and am having a hard time making a necron list and figuring out what to buy next

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      @Trengenator appreciate the comment! Yeah, I love the idea and something we can look into for you :)
      Custodoes and necrons are totally different play styles, I would recommend making a list for the Awakened dynasty as most of those units then branch off into the other detachments so helps learn but also preps you :)

  • @brendancoster4514
    @brendancoster4514 2 месяца назад +3

    I think the Triarch Stalker has some real play now. You get your turn 1 scouting shenanigans, you place it aggressively, and if you end up going second, you just retreat - or if you go first you have options for it to help you score turn 1 stuff. Then the rest of the game it's more of a tech piece, you hyperphase it around to strip cover... maybe a slightly hot-take but I'm thinking the Heavy Gauss for the extra range. And if you keep it at range, it can handle itself against some random melee if it needs to (better then most any other vehicle)... I would absolutely bring this in turn 3 and charge whatever 5 man unit was protecting the opponents home objective. I do wish it was t10 though.......

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@brendancoster4514 absolutely spot on! We fancy trying the melta gun over the gauss but will be playtesting both

    • @evgenijvalamin6473
      @evgenijvalamin6473 2 месяца назад +2

      I played list with 3 stalkers and after this my friends hate this unit)
      3 dreadnouths on obj on turn one and ctans with lychguards as second wave..... that was dirty)

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@evgenijvalamin6473 we love it!

  • @jamescm9178
    @jamescm9178 2 месяца назад +1

    Great video as always

  • @samburger1238
    @samburger1238 2 месяца назад +7

    My T'au buddy is quite upset about the DDA being only 10 pts more than his Riptide. All I can say is 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @xavierdruid
      @xavierdruid 2 месяца назад +1

      I play both, and as a necron player, I agree with you. As a tau player, I agree with him. Riptide shouldn't be that much. Though they are now the same points

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +2

      Yeahh no idea how we managed this, but let's slide under the radar for a bit longer 😉

    • @daryljackson6088
      @daryljackson6088 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@WorHammer40k It's obvious, GW aren't selling any of that kit as Warriors (and therefore Ghost Arks) have been terrible since 9th.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@daryljackson6088 for sure, mate. Warriors remain the big disappointment for this edition and the latter half of 9e

  • @addie30mg62
    @addie30mg62 2 месяца назад +2

    The point change to the monolith is the reason people are now playing tournaments with 6 ctan. Change my mind.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@addie30mg62 ooh, interesting take. Had not considered that!

  • @chrisbeau76
    @chrisbeau76 2 месяца назад

    I actually have 2 Triarch Stalkers, 10 Lychguard with Shields and I’m thinking of play testing Lychguard with Scythes being led by an overlord with trans location shroud to help them get up the board.
    The Monolith pricing increase sucks considering our lack of dedicated transports, I like using the Monolith for moving my units around even though I don’t play hyper crypt.
    Mostly been playing awakened dynasty for being able to use protocol of the undying legions during my opponents, shooting phase and both fight phases, which makes plain of 20 Warriors viable.
    They still need to fix the points on Cryptothralls and give it ranged attack the pistol.
    I’ll definitely be building some Obeisance Phalanx lists. I believe I have three boxes of unopened Praetorian/Lychguard.
    Currently have five Praetorians with particle casters and void blades.
    Still not sure on the math vs Rods of the Covenant.
    I almost forgot that they have a 10” move with Fly which basically makes them our version of jump pack infantry

  • @theta1672
    @theta1672 2 месяца назад +1

    I love the Triarch changes! A lot of point changes I think were justified except Monolith. I haven't been following up on the current tournament meta-lists, but last I was somewhat in the know, the Monolith was barely playable at 375 points. Going to 400 is a pretty heavy nerf and will change my way of playing I think. Used to play it in every list but now I think I'll remove it with the 6 Skorpekh + Lord I had to combo with Eternity Gate for a juicy charge. Will keep the list as a "for fun" kind of thing, but if I play more competetive I think I'll drop it.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      @@theta1672 yeah it didnt sit right with us, either! But maybe time to give triarch praetorians a run out?

    • @theta1672
      @theta1672 2 месяца назад +1

      @@WorHammer40k Oh for sure I will! Those guys have been on my "want to play" radar for quite some time, and now wit hthe drop to 100 for 5, I'll experiment with them. Same for Stalker and Annihilation Barge. I hoped they'd give Command Barge the "Noble" keyword as it's got a Overlord model in it, but hey, maybe another time :)

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      @@theta1672 yeah maybe gw will give CCB the noble keyword for christmas 😁

    • @theta1672
      @theta1672 2 месяца назад +1

      @@WorHammer40k Here's to hoping! :D

  • @jbw065
    @jbw065 2 месяца назад

    I thought Overlords always benefitted from the detachment rule. It was just because Imotekh and Trazyn didn’t have the Overlord keyword that the rule was off.

  • @chrisbeau76
    @chrisbeau76 2 месяца назад

    The annihilation barge is good against armies that have units or characters that require that they’re within 3 inches of another unit in order to gain something like lone op (might be good into a Necron mirror match if they brought Szeras, HexMarks and reanimators, but it’s gonna require more than 2-3 annihilation barges) maybe use Imotek’s once per game ability to help finish off anything that’s been hit with multiple Malevolent Arking.
    I still can’t bring myself to taking a Tesla gun mounted underneath because I’d rather have the Gauss Cannon which has three attacks with AP -2 and two damage plus lethal hits.

    • @evgenijvalamin6473
      @evgenijvalamin6473 2 месяца назад

      Barge just have bad rules. Tesla is awesome against SM and ork, but bad againts 2+ Sv(
      Mortal on 5+ is too weak(
      But becase 4++ it can survive some crazy amount of attacks and it's fun)

  • @emperoramp9305
    @emperoramp9305 2 месяца назад +1

    I've been waiting since release for Silent King to have Triach keyword keyword for ages, now he will decimate in Phalanx

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      Am really looking forward to trying it out - just bought some extra models to go with them haha

  • @evgenijvalamin6473
    @evgenijvalamin6473 2 месяца назад +1

    110 pts for Big Spider is a joke) IMHO, He was hidden gem, but now he will be played in a lot of list. And you forget about awesome combo - ignore cover from stalker and -4 AP necron lascanons or teslals)
    Praetorians finally cost normally.
    This buff for phalanx....damn, i start to play casual games via phalanx more and now it's really good
    I pray on winter fixes for crazy destroers boys)

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@evgenijvalamin6473 yeah, ignore cover is great for anti-tank!

  • @A-McDrae
    @A-McDrae 2 месяца назад +2

    Triarch Stalker is the only unit we have with torrent. I'm glad its more usable now.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@A-McDrae it looks really tasty now in our opinion. But playtesting still required!

    • @Sleepa9377
      @Sleepa9377 2 месяца назад

      Immontekh also has a torrent weapon. Not only that, he is also now worth running in OP detachment because they changed the keyword from overlord to noble and he counts as a noble, so he can finally be in a immortal unit and be benefited

  • @chrisbeau76
    @chrisbeau76 2 месяца назад

    I’m pretty much thinking that all of these points increases have to do with how well the big vehicles are doing in the hyper crypt Legion detachment combined with taking multiple C’Tan

    • @evgenijvalamin6473
      @evgenijvalamin6473 2 месяца назад

      I hope in next edition pts cost will depend from detachments

  • @chrisbeau76
    @chrisbeau76 2 месяца назад

    I was really hoping the catacomb command barge at least had the noble keyword, not sure why it doesn’t? In ninth edition, I’m pretty sure it had the overlord keyword and with the lack of additional reanimation protocols in the Obeisance phalanx, we’re going to have to over rely on resurrection orbs.
    The Praetorian Points drop is significant enough for me to take at least one unit of 10 for 200 points. Not sure which weapon loadout is best. However, deep striking them so they gain line of sight to the unit you chose as your worthy foe so they gain plus one to the wound makes me think that the rod of the covenant might be the best way to go because it’s not hampered by the particle caster even though it’s a pistol with three shots and has devastating wounds, if you don’t critically wound, it’s just a strength five, AP0 damage one attack.
    The rod of the covenant only gets 1 ranged attack but it’s using the exact same weapon characteristics as the rod of the covenant and it’s a two damage weapon.
    In the fight phase the raw of the covenant only has three attacks but again it has good AP and it deals 2 damage and plus one to wound when attacking your worthy foe.

  • @caboose759
    @caboose759 2 месяца назад +2

    The Parking Lot is back baybeee!!

  • @riggels330
    @riggels330 2 месяца назад

    Also could we get a list of the Obeisance Phalanx with the new changes that would be great

  • @TheSkinBlog5270
    @TheSkinBlog5270 2 месяца назад +1

    Been playing Phalanx since Pariah Nexus mission pack came out as hypercrypt was just boring by that point.
    Triple Stalkers even at 125 each were the perfect point scorers, charge blocks, bait pieces and objective holders! Now they are the obvious choice.
    With the point changes I’m moving onto this list which should work really well:
    3 x Triarch Stalkers with Meltas 330 points
    2 x Doomsday arks 380 points
    2 x 10 Lychguard with Shields 340 points
    1 x Imoteph 100 points
    1 x Translocation Overlord 85 points
    1 x 5 Deathmarks 65 points
    2 x 5 Flayed Ones 120 points
    1 x Nightbringer 295 points
    1 x Transcendent C’tan 285 Points
    Scouts, Infiltrators, Masses of 4+ invuns, lots of close and long range shooting and 2 heavy melee damage dealers!
    Should do well…

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      @@TheSkinBlog5270 this is a great list!

    • @TheSkinBlog5270
      @TheSkinBlog5270 2 месяца назад +1

      @@WorHammer40k thanks! Looking forward to seeing what you guys do with obeisance phalanx!

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@TheSkinBlog5270 we're cooking up some lists right now

    • @TheSkinBlog5270
      @TheSkinBlog5270 2 месяца назад +1

      @@WorHammer40k first game back with this new list 98/24 victory points against eldar 😂 only missed out on 100 due to the Yncarne teleporting out of combat with 2 wounds which I forgot it could do, missing bring it down that turn.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@TheSkinBlog5270 that is superb! Well done!!

  • @CrazyCartattendant
    @CrazyCartattendant 2 месяца назад +2

    I like healing Szeris with the command barge :D

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      @@CrazyCartattendant with the rez orb? Brilliant!

    • @CrazyCartattendant
      @CrazyCartattendant 2 месяца назад

      @@WorHammer40k oh yes :) give him the +4 feel no pain enhancement hard to take down sometimes :D

  • @ChroniclesOfCallum
    @ChroniclesOfCallum Месяц назад +1

    I haven't played since 6th edition so there's a LOT that's different to me, but the idea that the Codex you buy isn't correct because there's been multiple updates to rules/pts values seems bonkers to me. Am I understanding that correctly?
    I understand the need for balancing for tournament play, but the idea of rocking up to your local store with your army to find out that it's no longer what you thought it was every few months is really off-putting when I think about returning to the hobby.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  Месяц назад +1

      @@ChroniclesOfCallum afraid so, mate. However, the hard copy codex does also give you access to a digital copy on the new 40k app - and that IS kept up to date.

    • @ChroniclesOfCallum
      @ChroniclesOfCallum Месяц назад

      @WorHammer40k That's something at least , thanks!

  • @xavierdruid
    @xavierdruid 2 месяца назад +1

    Question: If a model with the noble keyword is leading a unit, doesn't the whole unit then have the noble keyword? If so, that is massive for Obeisance Phalanx because immortals led by an overlord would get the plus to wound. Correct me if I am wrong.

    • @brendancoster4514
      @brendancoster4514 2 месяца назад +5

      That's exactly how it works. Once one of the nobles are in the unit they all gain the benefits from the detachment/enhancements/strats. It's the same thing in Canoptek Court - once you put in a Cryptek into a unit, it unlocks all the re-rolls and, well, some of the strats. LOL.

    • @xavierdruid
      @xavierdruid 2 месяца назад +2

      @@brendancoster4514 thanks

  • @chrischris1315
    @chrischris1315 2 месяца назад +1

    It's not about giving a detachment "love" for me.
    GW ballsed the release of the Obescance phalanx and still haven't addressed all the correct key words.
    Internal balance for the Crons still isn't right.
    Where are the warriors?!

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      @@chrischris1315 warriors deffo need some love! Been bad since 2022

    • @chrischris1315
      @chrischris1315 2 месяца назад +1

      @@WorHammer40k I'm also sad that the Monolith has been bumped up. An entire detachment is based around using one and now it's 400 flipping points.
      Good video lads, I'm still excited to play my Crons.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@chrischris1315 yeah it is the focal point of that detachment!

  • @riggels330
    @riggels330 2 месяца назад

    GW is trying to push the community away from the winning detatchment of Hypercrypt and into other detatchments with this change but to be fair i was trying to build a obeisance phalanx army and with these changes it makes it more possible.

  • @Pers0n97
    @Pers0n97 2 месяца назад +1

    GW: "Let's force Power Level on the game and pretend it's because it will make the math of building armies simpler."
    Also GW: "So now the price of a model will change depending on the unite site, some times."
    10th is really the result of a cascading failure of design.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@Pers0n97 aye a lot of folk do not like the simplified pts

    • @evgenijvalamin6473
      @evgenijvalamin6473 2 месяца назад +1

      I disagre with you
      You take units of 5 models for easy point on secondary mission
      You take units of 10 models for hard fight for objectives
      And changing cost depending of the size of the unit is simple and nice descision

    • @Pers0n97
      @Pers0n97 2 месяца назад

      @@evgenijvalamin6473 I never contested the fact that its a good solution from a balancing standpoint, but that's also yet another result of the awful design that have been the objectives requiring a unit to complete).
      My point was simple: GW mangled 10th with power level because they decided we were too low IQ to make the entry level math that was required to add the cost of each models and gear in a unit to get the cost of said unit, to then start to push weird and inconsistent pricing of models like that.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@evgenijvalamin6473 for sure. But the trade off is we lose some nuance

    • @evgenijvalamin6473
      @evgenijvalamin6473 2 месяца назад

      @@Pers0n97 make restriction on unit size is nice decision for balance/sellings/army composition
      Removing weapon costs was a bad decision

  • @Sonofgoku1
    @Sonofgoku1 2 месяца назад +2

    You said Royal Warden has the Keyword Noble. They do not have that. Keywords they have are Infantry, Character, and Royal Warden.

  • @garethholman1050
    @garethholman1050 2 месяца назад +1

    Hopefully the hexmarks will continue to evade GWs notice.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      Fingers crossed mate, it's such a good model!

    • @evgenijvalamin6473
      @evgenijvalamin6473 2 месяца назад +2

      It still stands further than 12 inches)

    • @garethholman1050
      @garethholman1050 2 месяца назад +1

      @@evgenijvalamin6473 hopefully the overwatch shots will continue to keep GW at bay.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      @@garethholman1050 hexmark overwatching the gw nerf bat, hitting on 2s

    • @garethholman1050
      @garethholman1050 2 месяца назад +1

      @@WorHammer40k hahaha! Fingers crossed it'll be enough to hold them at bay.

  • @simonneville3278
    @simonneville3278 2 месяца назад +1

    🟣 running behind as a busy boy at the moment ... your videos are great, because they genuinely make me stop and think/rethink and get me wanting to try new Units out
    💜 ... ... Simon

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@simonneville3278 thank you so much

  • @baloonfart8082
    @baloonfart8082 2 месяца назад +1

    Triarch Glowup :)

  • @beatooze8025
    @beatooze8025 2 месяца назад

    Massive?
    Um.
    Cheers
    -Alpharious-

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@beatooze8025 yes. Loads more options for list building

  • @iyeetsticks
    @iyeetsticks 2 месяца назад +1

    Deathmarks still wont kill anything LOL

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      They can certainly try their best. There are typically just action monkeys for md

    • @iyeetsticks
      @iyeetsticks 2 месяца назад

      @@WorHammer40k I use them every game there sooo good. Even with the extra 5 points. They could get 25 extra points and I would still play them... Deepstrike to good

  • @musicpassionluv4life
    @musicpassionluv4life 2 месяца назад

    ❤❤❤

  • @FINLANDds
    @FINLANDds День назад

    bb army

  • @aulusflavius9635
    @aulusflavius9635 2 месяца назад

    meh, more reminder why I quit paying to get pissed at GW. 3D print, download OPR and have fun.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад

      @@aulusflavius9635 can we ask, why do you still watch 40k videos if you don't play 40k?

    • @aulusflavius9635
      @aulusflavius9635 2 месяца назад +1

      @@WorHammer40k Because I used to REALLY love the game. I think I hope for the old feeling to come back, but all I see from GW is more of what drove me away. I do still watch the RUclipsrs fairly regularly as I enjoy the programming. Just once in a while, I see GW messing with rules for the purpose of driving sales and nothing more and this really gets me goin again.

    • @WorHammer40k
      @WorHammer40k  2 месяца назад +1

      @@aulusflavius9635 i hear ya! I (dan) have been in and out since rogue trader. It takes a LOT of time and money to keep up with current 40k but i'm still enjoying it - for now

  • @chrisbeau76
    @chrisbeau76 2 месяца назад

    Love 2 units of 10 Flayed Ones with infiltration, and the larger footprint helps prevent enemy units from deep striking certain parts of the board

  • @chrisbeau76
    @chrisbeau76 2 месяца назад

    I was really hoping the catacomb command barge at least had the noble keyword, not sure why it doesn’t? In ninth edition, I’m pretty sure it had the overlord keyword and with the lack of additional reanimation protocols in the Obeisance phalanx, we’re going to have to over rely on resurrection orbs.
    The Praetorian Points drop is significant enough for me to take at least one unit of 10 for 200 points. Not sure which weapon loadout is best. However, deep striking them so they gain line of sight to the unit you chose as your worthy foe so they gain plus one to the wound makes me think that the rod of the covenant might be the best way to go because it’s not hampered by the particle caster even though it’s a pistol with three shots and has devastating wounds, if you don’t critically wound, it’s just a strength five, AP0 damage one attack.
    The rod of the covenant only gets 1 ranged attack but it’s using the exact same weapon characteristics as the rod of the covenant and it’s a two damage weapon.
    In the fight phase the raw of the covenant only has three attacks but again it has good AP and it deals 2 damage and plus one to wound when attacking your worthy foe.