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"Linusing" has officially become an adjective, ladies and gents!
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I think you mean verb.
Now this is the type of content that people do really want to watch to build up from the limited visual information in the written articles. Keep up the good work.
@@swizzler8053 he has lots of eyes on his channel and he is providing a point into the sample size and also instructions on how to potentially fix an issue. I for one applaud this type of content and if it saves me an unnecessary RMA or buying unneeded cooking parts, I’m down.
@@swizzler8053 who is he copying? Whenever there is a break in information like this, all of the tech channels cover it. Stop crying
Agreed. I love Jay's hack and slash science.
@@mikerzisu9508 In this case he should have copied. He got it all wrong, the cooler makes no difference as its the ilm.
you gotta be pretty stupid to not understand the original article
for future reference the opposite of concave is convex, although saying "domed" does get the same point across. Also for everyone saying that cpu dies have been rectangular for a while now I am fairly certain he is talking about the shape of the IHS and Substrate
why do you care to comment on it?
@@nb081199 im confused on your question. I comment on videos because I have comments to make on videos
@@nb081199 there’s a comment section for a reason, no?
@@nb081199 why do youuu care to comment on this?
I think that domed is a good word and I also think that convex is not as funny as the word domed. I care to comment on your comment, Mr. Greer - or should I say, 'Dick'?
17 minute long demonstration of the kingpin's thermal performance
Honestly this channels vids are too long.
what part is kingpin? the thermal paste?
@@suyashsingh9865 yes sir.
@@patty109109 no they are not
Havent tried the washer mod. I do have the grizzley bracket and it dropped my temps insanely, 10 to 15, per core.. im running 5.5 p 4.3 e 7300cl30 , 3090 strix all under a mora 420.
one thing that might have influenced the test is that the tests in the article illustrated temperature deltas of 70+ degrees meaning that the chip was prob running in the mid to high 90s in terms of degrees celsius. At that level, chips would start to run into some current leakage, making any improvements in cooling have an amplified effect.
Awesome video! Would have been interested in the results of the lapped cpu without spacers. Keep these kind of videos coming! Can’t learn enough from your content!!
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I think a key detail was missed. It's the ILM (not the cooler) that's applying too much pressure across the middle of the CPU causing the CPU to have a slight bend. When a cooler is mounted it'll make good contact with the top and bottom of the CPU as these are the highest points. But the middle of the CPU will be lower and so the gap between CPU and cooler will be greatest resulting in less effective heat transfer and higher temperatures.
wtf's an ILM
@@peter3337 the latching mechanism.
Ya i think he completely missed the point, unless I'm confused.
The cpu is higher and now rectangle and the retention cover latches on the same spots at the center of the sides of the cpu. That's ok for a square but not so much rectangle. The washers makes the Retention top higher so it doesn't push so hard on the sides of the cpu, bending it basically
@@strongislandx ppl l lol
@@peter3337 Industrial Light & Magic
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I use to work for a place that used microwaves to communicate with satellites. When we lapped the parts we use a flat stone not glass. start off with 160, 200, then 300 grit wet sandpaper you can use oil too but its kind of a mess. When you sand it you go in a FIGURE EIGHT pattern. It keeps it staying flat. If you go back and forth one side WILL wear down more than the other. Good job keep the vids coming. Thanks :)
This mod has been life saving for me. I'm running a 12900K with a Corsair H150 Elite Capelix AIO on an Asus Z690 Formula motherboard. In Cinebench 23 the P cores averaged around 95-97C with 2 cores reaching 100C (with original AIO thermal paste). I removed the AIO and I saw that it made contact with the CPU at the top/bottom edges and in the middle it was clean (I don't think the paste even made contact in the middle). I put new paste but the temps did not change. I thought, well, bad luck, this is it. Then I saw the article from igor's Lab. I went to the hardware store and I bought 4 washers (M5 as they did not have M4 :). I was busy this week and only today I got the chance to implement the mod. Now in Cinebench 23 the highest temp is 89C with the other P cores averaging around 85C.
I am using Corsair H60i RBG PRO XT on my 12600k with slight turbo overclock to 5.2 GHz, using it with the LGA1151 screws and didn't have any issues, works fine and normal with no overheating even when stressed at max frequency
I highly recommend this mod! Not only because of better temperatures, it also fixed my errorcode 55. The pesure on the socket was so high, that my RAM-slot A2 wasnt detected and caused thet Motherboard-error. I used 0,8mm plates. now everything runs fine.
For a very long time a domed heatsink (not heat spreader) has done the best for cooling by giving more pressure and more squeegee effect to get the maximum amount of TIM out of the way.
That's probably not helping with the issue since manufacturers know this gets them better temps.
Once the cooler and heatsink are mated to each other (bent basically lol) it's virtually identical to two flat surfaces.
What's gonna happen tho is if you switch from a domed heatsink to a flat one you're gonna get awful temps.
Bigger IHS means it's even harder to squeegee out extra TIM if you over apply due to identical mounting pressure but lower PSI!!
Great video, thanks Jay!
Cool thanks Jay, I was curious about this. Saved us a lot of trouble. 👍
Back in the x58 days i used the same mod on my xeon x5660 to keep ist below 95c at 5+ GHz.
By the way.. you have to lap the CPU while ist mounted in the socket, to have a flat ihs when the CPU is mounted. The easyest way to do that is to cut a socket out of a broken mainboard.
I wonder if its an issue that will start to show up more after a longer time. As in CPUs will get bent more after several months under pressure... or maybe some motherboards have tighter mounts than others?
The type of backplate you are using on your aio may make a difference too
Mine is so tight that I was affraid that cpu or motherboard will break if I will lock it, thankfully nothing break but the pressure on cpu is huuugeeee.... MB is gigabate aorus z690 ud ddr4. Im thinking about that mod when i will be changing to new cooling in a few days
I think the stability of the MB and the Socket is make a huge difference from cheap to high end. Igor says that too
@@seriousplace7756 Anandtech used GIGABYTE Z690 Aorus Master and it bent like crazy :(
@@1starfish11 bro do you know any mobo which is not too tight and works well?
Enjoyed your break down of the issue.
Hey Jay an idea for some content I would like to see you cover is monitor flickering issues. Lots of gaming panels seem to have gsync/vsync issues. I've been trouble shooting this for while now and it seems like it's a pretty common issue. Would love some advice on how to fix.
17:23 looks like a Mitutoyo digital caliper was used as a straight edge but it is the old version not the ip66/67 version.
But can you use the temperatures to anything when your MB is not in a case, but out in the open?
Can't see another comment saying this, but I interpreted the explanation as being the actual CPU retention mechanism itself was causing the bending of the the CPU *and* the socket backplate. I have experienced this on my own 12900K install. By adding the washers you lessen the tension holding the CPU into the socket, *not* the cooler block's contact with the CPU tension.
The other workaround that's been detailed is to ensure the cooler mounting baseplate is mounted on the motherboard *before* putting the CPU in, so that it ends up reinforcing the motherboard and CPU socket, making it more resistant to being bent by the tension applied by the CPU mounting system.
I've been experiencing cooling issues with my own 12900K under full load (Cinebench R23 multicore, thermal throttles instantly but still scores >27K) and it's very evident on my board and CPU that there is quite a lot of bending taking place around the socket, resulting in poor contact by the cooler (ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360). The thermal paste pattern shows very poor contact on just one side of the IHS too (the side towards the PCIe slots).
I'm working with ARCTIC support to try these workarounds and see if they help at all.
mind sharing the washer thickness that you used..?
@@fist003 I've yet to try it myself but I've ordered nylon 1mm M4 washers based on what the article said. I'm going to try mounting the cooler backplate without the CPU first and compare the bending before and after the CPU is inserted.
Did you fid a solution? I am having the same experience with my 12700KF (not overclocked) in Cinebench. 2 of the cores (cores 2 and 4) sky rocketing straight to 100 celcius, and as a result thermal throttle. The E cores running between 81 and 83C, with the P cores lowest being 87C and maxing at 100C. The cooler I am using is the MSI MAG CoreLiquid 240R with LGA 1700 mounting kit. Tried reseating and reapplying thermal paste with no improved result. Short of trying a different cooler, not sure what else to try. Would expect better cooling even from a 240 AIO.
@@PeteyPete173 I've built another 12900K system (for someone else) & seen the exact same behavior. I tried the washer workaround on my own system and it made no difference. On the 2nd system I didn't see any of the socket bending but the CPU still thermal throttles instantly under Cinebench R23 multi-core. The scores are good though, as the CPU seems to immediately clock down slightly to find its equilibrium. I also built a 12700K system but didn't see this issue. That CPU maxxed at around 90 deg C under same load. My best guess so far is that this issue a combination of silicon lottery and motherboard defaults/settings for 12th gen. With the MSI board it asks for the type of CPU cooling system being used on first entry to the BIOS, and if you select water cooling it maxes power delivery out. The CPU then draws huge amounts of power once under full load until it clocks back slightly to prevent thermal throttling.
@@DamianPEdwards Interesting findings. I have a Gigabyte board and it didn't ask me what cooling I would be using. Under normal use the temps are relatively in check, haven't really put it to the test with any sort of demanding game yet. I'm not a big gamer, but it's nice to have the power there when needed. I may end up trying the suggestion Igor's Lab mentioned, mounting all bracketry before installing the CPU, as the article mentioned it could be an issue in regards to the rigidity of the board and the cooler brackets helping to stop any flex.
I'd be curious if lapping the cold plate on the AIO as well would have any effect on the temps.
what about just straight lapping instead of adding spacers to socket retention brackets
Thanks for doing this for us.
Good to know.
It's a pity that it's a bit harder for me to get a history graph of the CPU temps in a terminal, in Linux without having to write the data out to like a CSV file and then post-processing the data to make the graphs/plots.
Thanks for doing this!
When I was a teenager I loved lapping my CPU for the performance gain. I'd run my rig without thermal paste on those lap jobs. I had a jig I built to lower the cpu or cooler down evenly, and you could mount cpu coolers into it as well with some additional parts. Mirror finish on the CPU and the cooler and no thermal paste netted me better temps than i've ever had, but the amount of work isn't worth it anymore IMO, especially with the gains from overclocking being so much lower than back then. At the time we were taking 2.8-3.3ghz CPUs to clock speeds similar to what you see today. Took an e8700 to 5.2ghz in 2010, lapped mirror flat along with the water block that was running it. Same CPU ran 5ghz all day 24/7 stable as well for years before it got replaced with a 3770k if memory serves, dude was broke AF but had plenty of sanding supplies lying around since his dad did auto detailing lol
I wonder if liquid metal between the IHS and cold plate would've helped or hurt your temps.
@@pronewbofficial hard to say, the chip and cooler tended to vacuum seal together, it could get really difficult to pry the CPU off if you pressed it against the cold plate when it was out of the socket. My bet is it wouldn't have any significant effect, or would just make it worse. One of the installations I did this way actually cold vacuum welded together because of how perfectly flat it was. It was installed for a long time and at some point part of the IHS copper and the cold plate copper just fused together lol. Normally this would never happen since copper oxidizes super fast, but we think the friction of the 2 surfaces managed to disrupt enough oxide for it to be a non issue. We also basically did a finishing lap on both immediately before applying them together, so it only had seconds exposed to the air before getting installed for several years. It's a LOT of work though for very little gain at this point. Delidding the CPU and designing a cooling block that goes directly on die gives you far greater gains for less overall worki
We're also talking 150w less TDP. I had an I7-3770k that ran for 9 years @4.3GHz on stock voltage with a Corsair H100. Never got above 65C at full load. I never touched the IHS. 77w vs 125w TDP and drawing far less current.
@@dragonthc
I had a 4770 and I just stuck a tower cooler on it, nothing posh just big 'n' cheap with I think 5 or 6 pipes in a cheap case and that never went above 70C. Times have changed I suppose, Intel cranking up the electrons for performance more and more.
@@dragonthc Actually, at these OC levels you could expect 300w+ from the quad cores and up to 200-250w easily from the high end dual cores. Power levels were basically the same as today with intel's high power draw on the last few gens. Remember, we're talking about a bump of almost 2ghz and significant voltage increases from baseline. Like from 1.05-1.2v to as much as 1.45v, so more volts and more amps both (as a result of the clocks). The situation was similar on my 2600k at 4.7ghz, I had a VRM designed for 400w+ just to hit that as a daily stable OC under water. This was before intel started using thermal paste under the IHS, I basically stopped OCing around then because I wasn't comfortable with delidding at the time, and the boost speeds of the 4790k were good enough for the time. With my Q9650 at 4.7ghz daily driving, and crossfire HD5870s also overclocked, I actually killed a 1050w Enermax PSU (Revolution 85+, came highly rated by jonnyguru himself), should have gone with the 1250w model lol. This was back when I ran 6 hard drives, tons of LED strips, 2 pumps @ 30w each, and 15 fans, so even with only ~900w going to the 2 GPUs and CPU, that only left 150w of overhead for all of that. You do the math xD
I can't see how shimming the CPU socket retention would make a difference. The tension mostly comes from the CPU cooler which only makes contact with the CPU IHS and the motherboard PCB - neither of which have had their dimensions altered. The motherboard will still bow if the CPU cooler tension is too high.
which is exactly why Igor recommended a solid steel backplate like that alphacool prototype
Go watch Buildzoids vid. He explains it very well, in his own way.
Great content 🔥keep it up!
Oh wow I just learned something new thank you Jay it has been a while since I have learned something new.
Great test thanks. I was about to try with my asus motherboard but won't now. One thing though, the solution tested is the same as the artical but the explanation is different. The artical says that it is the chip holder not the cooler that's bending the die. Adding washers to reduce chip holder pressure makes sense but the video implies that excess cooler pressure is the problem. I would expect lifting the chip would increase this. What am I missing?
If I got the 1700 specific standoffs from Corsair for the h150i. Is this still an issue or are the new standoffs to address this issue?
Would love to see preformance tests on a cpu that you lap from og to super polished to the extreme!
The standoff height for the Corsair LGA1700 upgrade kit is 1.05mm shorter than the LGA1200 standoffs they replace so it seems more likely that the socket, or the cpus, are getting shorter, not higher.
I just did this mod. My CPU clamp bracket was putting down a ton of pressure before. Lapped it flat and used kryonaut at the same time. Dropped 20c max temp during one cinebench run... Insane. 93 to 73. 12700k, 4.9 & 3.9. 1.3v. My lapping pattern midway was pretty crazy.
Thanks for testing as I was wondering what the result would be. On my 12700K I have no issues and even overclocked with max temps on CBR23 multicore,I hit 80 degrees on the hottest core and that is with a 5.3GHz single core and 5GHz all core, though I am using a 360mm AIO.
Your cooler manufacturer must have taken the z height into account, just like noctua's mounting mechanism. Thus, good thermals
i laugh too hard when jay said "linus-ing everything" haha
Love this kind of stuff. Very interesting.
seeing the Corsair One in the back without the panels on. The swap has begun!
Yeah, not using springs for mounting is always going to cause issues with pressure. Either under or over pressure.
I wonder how much difference the kingpin thermal paste makes, if it's too much it might be worth swapping back to something more common.
thanks jay great video
I think there is an issue with the explanation here , it is the new socket 1700 the cpu is shorter , so the old contact do not make good contact , not the opposite ??
"I'm Linusing everything today" is my favorite PC channel reference to date.
It's best to lap in a figure 8 pattern. Less margin of uneven pressure error.
It is best not to vomit what others have written without experience to back it up. I never used a figure 8 pattern, and always got my heatsinks and processors to "stick."
@@jong2359 its best not to be a dick online and assume others don't have experience.
Machinist by trade here and I agree with sirjizzalot. It is best to lap in a figure 8 pattern and to periodically rotate the object being lapped as fingertips tend to apply more pressure to one corner than to others. This has a balancing out effect and creates greater precision of the of the overall lapping process. Great video btw, doing a 12th gen build at the moment using a noctua nh-u12a chromax on a 12600k
Great video; however the concave IHS has nothing to do with AIO/Cooler bracket pressure, but ILM central pressure on the two central flaps of the IHS. The flat cold plate of the AIO should actually counter the concavity a little, not cause it.
I think the Corsair LGA 1700 Retrofit Kit may fix this for their coolers at least, they sell them on their website for like $3.
i have a h00i cappelix with the retrofit kit and my temps are max 65 even on stress test
Nice I've never heard of kpx thermal paste/compound and have always used the tg kryonaut
I'm building with an old 6700k. because of the issues that there were with the thickness of the substrate I took a 1/3 turn off the lock system and I've had great temps and hopefully no bent cpu
Is the max frequency reached by the cpu the same for all three test cases?
Yeah those temps are perfect, I get around the same with an ek d5 setup, using a socket 1700 adapter to go with my previous water block
"I'm Linus' Ing everything today!" 🤣🤣
Bought Corsair's LGA1700 scews for my 12700k and used it with an H100i Pro XT, along with Kryonaut thermal paste. Idles in the low 20s and in gaming I haven't seen above 50-55C. Many games run at 40C in 1440p.
There’s a technique to lapping something like that. You put that glass setup on a barrel. You sand say 10 circles. Then you turn the cpu 90° clockwise while you walk 90° counter clockwise around the barrel. Repeat till you’re back where you started
Or you know, you don't and it makes almost no difference to temps.
True. But it could be useful for anyone lapping any sort of heat sink. Good thermal paste and ever more efficient cpus help mitigate the effects of them not being perfectly flat. And if you’re going to lap the cpu you should do the same to the heat sink. For many people including myself lapping the surfaces isn’t necessary. But if someone wants to give it a try this could be useful so more problems aren’t created.
Or a figure 8 pattern
@@jaceyrector9320 I've been wondering how many people actually see a temp issue with their Intel CPUs that they would need to consider doing much to them. I'm running a 10900k with a Corsair H100i, and I literally just pulled everything out of the boxes and put them in my system. I've never messed with after market thermal paste and the highest I've ever seen my CPU temps get is the high 70s, maybe 80 at a spike. My old 9590fx AMD CPU with the same model of cooler used to get 85c+ easily, and it had half the cores with the same clock speeds. I guess maybe if I was into over clocking I might need to do something, but as I sit now with the base clocks and base boosting clocks everything runs cool in my 7 year old NZXT Phantom case. I even have a 3090 sitting in the case air cooling and it peaks at about 80c when I am putting a full load on it, so the air in the case is warm and goes up through my CPU rad, but the temps still never get high.
@@xero6912 Ya my pc is “stock”. I’ve never bothered lapping a CPU. Even back in the single core days when I had an alcohol cooled monster. Back then 70° would damage a cpu over time. But on my pc now I’ve never seen a need to overclock. My computer is a tool so I can work on my other hobbies. Gaming, 3D cad, etc. I assume I’m similar to the average pc user and My pc is more than enough without doing anything to it. But for some the hobby is getting the most you can out of a pc. And if that’s the case you do anything you can to eek out a bit of performance.
"I'm Linusing everything today" Shots fired! XD
or make it with under cloking up to 180w and what are the temperatures and test results
With a "Stock" LGA 1200 mount ( which looks the same as a 12th gen LGA 1700) my i7-12700KF was pegging at 100C. With the Artic Cooling LGA1700 mount ( the ONLY difference I saw was a 1mm shorter stud ). I was at 72C. So one 1mm WASHER to make the mount go UP. Makes a LGA1200 mount the same as the Artic LGA1700 kit. BUT also gives a LGA1700 "room" to tighten. You are right with the LGA1700 kit was tighten to its at zero lash. By getting the extra 1mm you get some room to "tighten". That said, I think they may have been using a LGA1200 mount on a 12th gen. You HAVE to use a LGA1700 mount on LGA1700 board, the LGA1200 FITs.. and it FEELS right. BUT ITS LOOSE.
So what I Wana get this right. I also have a arctic freezer 2 and I am using the lga 1700 mounting kit. So do I need to do this mod or not be because I think my temps are fine. Also does the kit cause bending or is it good to
Idk about other manufacturers but I can confirm that Arctic liquid is sending new standoffs with a new backplate for lga 1700. They stated it in their instructions but I measured them both with a caliper and they are in fact a different size (I cant remember the size off the top of my head but I believe they’re shorter, either 13mm>12mm or 14mm>13mm).
I just ordered a Noctua 78mm bracket kit for $9 and my 12700K is idle at 20c/76c under load. Just make sure you order the right one. Noctua has 78mm and 83mm.
It's concave and convex. Or a dip and a dome shape. It's all good. Very informative and very helpful.
haven't lapped a cpu in years, when I do my OCD kicks in and i make a whole thing out of it, just checked my 12900k and it it was as flat as can be, no light using a ruler and a precision speed square.
@jayztwocents How much Vcore did you use for that test?? Or is it Voltage on Auto ? Nice informative video
I sit around 63 degrees Celcius on a full load nonstop. When it's idle, I get about 25-27 degrees Celcius. I have no issues with the 12900k.
My 12900K is on the way, which cooler you got? I haven't bought one yet
Sounds like youve got a monster cooler
@@monke2361, I purchased the iCUE H170i ELITE LCD Display Liquid CPU Cooler. Very easy to install and use AIO.
@@are3287, I could have purchased the iCUE H150i ELITE and obtained temperatures around 66-69 degrees Celcius on a full load nonstop.
@@evocybernation8839 with the retrofit kit right?
Would like to see you maybe test the effects on temps with water cooling on a CPU with the IHS on against a no IHS, EK does special kits for no IHS retention directly onto the processor.
Obviously not with your 12900k but you get the point....
called direct die mount.
pretty freaking good, used to do it a lot on earlier gen CPU, untill some of them got soldered (swapped to AMD after that).
some people even remove IHS just to put some liquid metal between die and IHS, also helps a lot on the thermals, without running the risk of destroying the die when mounting the AiO.
I don't see the issue with my 12700k / Lian-Li Galahad 360. Even with the pump running at 50%. Then again, I, like most people, don't run Prime-95 or Cinebench all day...
what about concave + slight bowing (due to mounting pressure on the corners) = flatter?
jay you should do more videos like this we like to see more
Jay over here looking like Sabortooth Victor Creed
Wolverine would be jealous
I want to know why we pay the crazy prices we pay for high end chip and they are not 100 percent flat to begin with like wtf. That is something that should have been fixed by now.
I was thinking the same thing.. Would it be really that hard to mass produce the ihs at some reasonable degree of "flatness"?
its a thin stamped piece of metal, machining that well is way more expensive than youd think
@@alherch itd be a machining step, and a far more precise plating process. or they could skip the IHS entirely and sell it with a disclaimer
Guess it don't mater they ever address that kind of issue. They don't need to be flat in real life when you can't buy them anyway lol just flat in theory. By the time you get one the next gen of a not so flat chip will be out.
Since you show the load power draw, What you setup reporting as idle power draw?
Nice Video and interesting, but I wonder if I checked, if the motherboard got bent a little bit. Maybe not because of the big mobo shield on the back.
this 12gen is perfect for winter. need to get one
Also don't forget a 3090ti! My 3090 aorus extreme has AIO surely transfers heat from gpu to the room creating a crack oven
Do i see the star wars build and a airbrush gun in the background! Excited
Noctua released a socket LGA1700 conversion kit for the NH-D15 and other coolers and its not a bodge, its a backplate and hardware that is perfect fit for the 1700 socket only.
Jay, I am about to pull the trigger on a lian li galahad, and I bought the 1700 compatible bracket separately from microcenter. Am I in good shape or do I still run the risk of bowing the cpu due to excessive pressure?
Do LGA1200 coolers have enough copper plate area to cool the entire alder lake cpu?
The cold plates on most aio are far larger than the entire cpu. The fin stack and good contact has more of an effect in cooling than just cold plate size.
Perhaps you having a concave 12900K, when you apply too much pressure on it with the unmodded retention system, you actually flatten the IHS out and not make it bow, like it would do with an IHS that was flat/bowed to begin with?
5:06
"I'm Linusing everything today... Ya, that's flat"
I've just canceled my order of LGA 1700 parts. I can't be bothered dealing with another socket issue like I had to during the Skylake days.
I modified the standard Lian Li Galahad 240 LGA 1200 backplate Bracket to fit the 1700 and works perfectly, the bolts already have springs and that particular AIO already comes with washers, of course, normally you would be able to just order an LGA 1700 compatible kit for this AIO from Lian Li, but Im not in the US and I can't order stuff internationally.
"I'm Linus'ing everything today"....Harsh! hahahah!
Your results suggest to me the limiting factor for thermals are either the bond between the IHS and the silicon of the CPU, or the performance of that waterblock, it simply can't remove anymore heat than it was in the first test.
Much respect J for calling things how they are
I forgot where, but was reading different boards were causing the cpu to go from flat on its own to convex in the socket. The suggested fix was a good stiff backplate to prevent flexing/morphing around the socket, claim was it kept the cpu from doming and helped a bit with thermals (but as you said temps high because power draw high)
Right, Igor has mentioned, that boards with a strong metallic backplate - as Jayz had used - seems not beeing effected.
Newer motherboard fix this clamping force problem or is it still present ?
Jay, I feel like a Physics 101 student sitting in on a symposium with Einstein presenting relativity
I felt so incredibly out of my element, I didn't understand any of the lingo haha :D
So from the beginning of the video when you mentioned that your high spots are on the outside, I immediately though, I wonder if the bowing out affect wouldn’t hurt your chip.
No heating issues with mine 12700K around 60° using a Thermalright Macho Rev.B cooler
Me dying watching jay sanding the "expensive" cpu.
I wonder if certain cooler manufacturers had softer or thinner cpu blocks causing them to be more susceptible to warping along with people tightening them too much.
I'm pretty sure my EK water block came with with washers and springs as well for 12900k
Your 12900 is concave so it may be working to your advantage when using the old coolers putting more pressure on the screws may just be putting enough pressure to flatten out the 12900.
why u dont test ist with the first setup without the additional plastic?
From my experience with aftermarket coolers, not just liquid coolers, their mounting system is very jank and I have ALWAYS had to jury rig it to sit properly.
I just wish my 1st gen Corsair H60se (from like 10yrs ago) could manage the temps of a 12700KF so I know if I installed it the best I could or adjust it better.
help i cant turn off freesync on my acer xf250q moinitor and i turned it off in my AMD settings and it still greyed out on my monitor and now i cant even use overdrive i tried using cru to stop the freesync but freesync range is not popping up i have so much input delay.. HELP!
i ziptied an old enzotech waterblock on my new 5800x and i get 80c - 82c with prime95.
Jay: " I'm Linusing everything today " made me burst, I hope Linus reacts to this!
You need to do this mod BEFORE your CPU already turned concave. It's a mod to avoid it bending overtime and thus losing contact with your cooler (unless you wanna repaste every week) or having worst thermal 'cause more thermal past needed.
It's still good to do even once it turned concave, so it doesnt keep bending overtime (and thus turn temps bad again).
Either way, that's not something you can notice on new builds or builds that doesnt last more than few days.
so you're saying you need to add the 4 total washers before you even put a new 12th gen intel cpu in the socket?
@@VintageCR ideally, yes.
Hi
Where can you buy plastic or metal washers in these sizes?
Build zoil uploaded video today about this and it’s intels fault to high of mounting pressure from the retention mechanism not the cooler mounting system
Well, it's the E/P core first generation. I have no doubt it has one or the other issue. But i guess it gets better with 13th and 14th gen. 🤔
This worked for me...I dropped 10C
I used the washers that came with my case...the ones for the mobo mounting.
I have an i5-12400 on an Asus Prime H670-PLUS D4.
I initially tried to bend part of the ILM to relieve the pressure, but that wouldn't budge even when heated.
I'm also using the stock cooler