The big question for me is can I use the new CUES cassettes with older 11 speed setup. So would a previous linkglide 10/11 speed shifter, derailleur, and chain work with a newer CUES 10/11 speed cassette? I'm assuming since the spacing is the same, it would be fine. I just want to be able to use a burlier steel cassette for durability.
Hi, has anyone tried combining the U6000 with M4100 , if so, is there a difference between the cues switch and the m4100, does the m 4100 shifter just look more interesting or is the m4100 not very suitable for this?
I really like how people barelly use old stuff that works instead of the old stuff, that was really good a while ago, much cheaper and that in many parts of the world would be right way to go, because a carbon expensive bike is really not what you need, when you barely have roads without asphalt. :))). World under bubbles. Rich vs poor, the ugly truth. I'd literally have to do a train ride every weekend for such stuff, while going to the supermarket for shopping is definitely overkill this, if you want to also take into account possible thieves.
I got a neighbour kid, that barelly afford stuff over 500$, What does that kid need for dropping stairs in the city, posibly o good steel sturdy frame, a 3x8 shimano altus (old school derraileur with big wheels, that's very good at holding the chain) and steel spoked wheels, maybe not even disk brakes. And we're talking about taking people based on bubbles and dreams, new stuff all the time.
I bet my money that a 1x9 CUES would serve that kid better, this is a good advancement of tech. And nothing wrong with setting up a 1x10 with 11-36T cassette and Zee derailleur for peanuts it would work just amazingly well😊
@@LoveMTB Yeah, if he'd have the money to maintain it. It doesn't matter that the technology is good if the money are not there. We are talking parents that may have less 2000$ a month, probably a second hand car to maintain and 2 kids. I do have a beefed up Rockrider st520, basically a frame with enduro wheels si rockshox xc30, everything upgraded as cheap as possible, with as much budget for learning. It's an all around bike that takes 170kg on it when going shopping. Do you want to know why I don't go 1x9? A 1x9 chain is almost twice as expensive as an 1x8, A chainring is almost as priced as a 3x crankset. The only problem I have, and it's annoying, is that somehow, in traffic, when switching chainrings, the chain itself gets stuck to the chainring and pulled up. But that's also because I keep stuff a bit dirty.
What this kid would actually need is a cheap 1by8 system, possibly one of those chainrings with 2 plastic guards. The biggest problems, however, is that he needs good wheels, and these chinese ZTTO enduro are crazy good for me, but at 130$, he wouldn't even think about it.
Good video, I've just installed u6000 1x10 on my city bike and I've found the shifting to be very good, it shifts a bit slower than my 1x12 deore but a way to mitigate that is simply to spin the cranks faster.
It does looks a tad slower shifting. That would throw me off. If not for your video, I would think I didn't tune it correctly. 😅 Still sticking with the m5100, but that new crank does looks cool, just not the crank puller part. Haven't used one of those in a few years.
Iam waiting receive my bike with Cues 11v. For me is interesting the resistence and a possibility to change gears applying more power that an usual groups sets. Lets see
Requiring a crank puller is a step backwards. Not really sure what Shimano is doing lately. I suppose this a more recreational group set where users aren’t likely to be wrenching their own bikes. 🤷♂️ Love my XT stuff for the most part but Shimano is slipping more and more rapidly. SRAM really pulled the rug out with UDH.
I installed the cues u6000 groupset and I can tell you I'm not impressed. The cable, its housing are new, tuned rear derailleur correctly and still I don't like it. the shifter feels like tourney, the derailleur has a play, the cassette is way too heavy and made from cheap metal=washed it with the gasoline and let it dry for a day. and the rust spots came up)
Washed with gasoline??? Why? Groupset works well for us we put it through the ringer in the last few weeks, so far so good. Materials, finish, not XT/ XTR quality but it is not supposed to be and price reflects that also.
I use linkglide with XT M8130 derailleur. Can someone explain to me, what's the difference between CUES U6000 and RD-M8130SGS? Also, changing gears down the cassete is lightning fast on my setup.
I upsold a customer on cues 9 speed for their e-cargo bike. I was impressed how much quieter the drivetrain was when shifting to the smaller sprockets. I attribute this to the linkglide technology. I recommend it for any e-bike with mid drive motors.
I just have upgraded my ebike from Alvio to Cues 9 speed (full cues package). Shifting is awesome but i'm not happy with the rear derailleur! Do you know if the Shimano CUES U6000 rear derailleur works with cues 9 speed?
I got U6000 1x10 speed, 6 pieces/components, for less than USD175 (converted) and MT200 hydraulic brakes front and back for USD35. Ah, and SR Suntour XCR 32 RLR air for about USD80. Think this will give me good upgrade from my current Tourney XT, mechanical brakes and XCM. Western world overpays for sure, not on all products, but many.
Hi, i have sleep less night thinking of if shimano cues are compatible with other series like atus acera . Kinda mixmatch set up for lower speed. I hope u see my idea and i hope u can help me with that.
@@LoveMTBJust got the U4000-1 with 32 teeth and it works perfectly with the existing BB. Thinking of getting the 11-46 cassette now! Appreciate these videos!👍🏻👍🏻 Cheers and keep making such videos
I'm surprised you didn't need spacers for your BB. I tried to install that same BB on my wife's bike but her frame is narrow so tightening the CUES crankset without spacers left the cranks visibly offset towards the non-drive side.
@@LoveMTB ahhh ok. I'm not sold on using an aftermarket chain though. I haven't tried the factory chain yet but the aftermarket one I have is making a lot of noise and it needs to go on the chainring exactly right or else it sits too high and slips.
I think its pretty good and if installed on a newly purchased bike (regular or E) it could last the life of it. Having to use a crank puller...no big deal. This what you have if you just want to ride a bike and not think about charging, or replacing parts and performing maintenance. Great for the masses.
Hello, are the cues u6000 compatible with non other cues parts? Basically I want to upgrade a mid-tier bike. My current crankset is just some cheap 1x 32tooth square taper Crankset ( i alos want to upgrade to hollowtech II), pared with a KMC Z9 Chain. both cranksets have 32 Teeths and are the same height. but i dont have hyperglide or linkglide. and my cassette is a 9 speed microshift cassette. will the crankset skip my chain while riding? Are the teeths on the shimano different than on the cheaper crankset by meroca?
As a mechanic, it's always funny to see, how some people " calculate" the length of the chain😁👍‼️ I even don't try to understand the math, of adding 5 to 6 links or 6 to 7 links. From what reference line? From witch position? Rear Derailleur cage 90 degrees? (doesn't matter at all!)??????? In work education school for mechanics, to install a chain properly, you always start with small - small, before cutting, try big - big ( 3 ring crankset 😂). And your adding mathematics, is only nessesery with Full suspension bikes, and I only do it at my DH Bike. Otherwise, the capacity of the rear Derailleur " makes" it for us. Especially, since 1 x anything 😁😎😁😎😂😂‼️
I know it might look funny but It works! Definitely on a HT it’s bulletproof. On a FS is a good starting point sometimes you have to cut a couple more links but otherwise spot on😊
Nice.... I think Shimano has made a good choice with drop bar brifters and road bike components coming soon. With much less stock to keep in the inventory going forward because of the common pull ratio and modularity of the design another obvious advantage. I would use those cranks with a narrow wide single chainring and go ten or eleven speed on my hardtail using linkglide and U6000 CUES components. I think the new crank design is excellent with the whole CUES line-up a winner. The linkglide cassette shifts slightly slower than Hyperglide plus but the added strength and longevity would make the shifts a moot point. The new modular CUES components are very robust and definitely a huge step up over Acera with a definite push towards the higher end of the component line rather than the lower end. I haven't seen much if anything on anyone using or reviewing the new Shimano sealed bearing hubs yet as they are a complete change of mindset for Shimano. I love the U8000 brakes it looks like Shimano has hit it out of the park again. With some Suntour Epixon front forks any build starts to become a great build with recreational riding and value for money in mind using CUES. 😎🇦🇺👍
This looks perfect for me. My Cube Reaction ebike with a 1x11 10-50T Deore 5100 cassette and derailleur is going great so far, but when it needs an upgrade I'll be going with this. Should bolt straight on to my HG freehub!
My linkglide chain is almost at 0.5% wear (U4000 9s set), I use it mostly in steep terrain, so most of the time I climb, which is acceptable. It will wear the chain slower on flat though. I think I could get 4 or more chain replacement at 0.5% wear before I can change the cassette. I checked the cassette, and there is not even a sign of wear on each teeth even when I climb a lot.
My Oggi Razzo e-mtb has this U6000. I ride about 1200km with it (750 miles). It is really slow to hard gears. And, in several occasions after rain and mud the bigger light gear do not goes down more. I need to stop and press by hand turning the pedals and lifting the wheel . A strong spring is necessary for use in MTB.
@@x.trailcwb1546 Yeah I would recommend a good video like this one and the Shimano 12s install I'm rferring to, not just "some video". And B-gap can be part of it but it doesn't sound like it is your only issue here😉
I've already have my next Chinese 11-46 10sp 330g cassette at home, but since linkglide came out, I'm seriously considering selling it and going with Shimano overweight glide technology. 😋 I think this is really what industry needed. Less waste, more reliability and durability. But I think I'll grab OEM xt linkglide rear derailleur at a bargain price, instead of going for cues derailleur and shifter.
@@LoveMTB well, i would till recently too. But I've found out the main slop source between 6000 and xt and up, is the hanger bolt in the derailleur. I've seen this video, where the guy recommended changing the bolt in a 6000 deore, to eliminate slop in this area. Bolts from xt are not easy to find, and those little parts are rarely economical, plus slop also comes from glide bearings in jockey wheels. So I get OEM 11sp xt with tighter tolerancesc@ hanger, sealed bearings in jockeys, for 46,3$ Inc shipping, and I can choose 10sp or 11sp overweight glide cassette. I currently run 10sp, so I think I'll finish current drivetrain and swap to 11sp. XT purchased. The rest will wait
I would have loved to see the 11-51 Teeth cassette from M5100 make a Linkglide comeback, but I think that it won't be missed too much considering the already high count of Teeth at 50.
And that's why I keep 11 speed M5100 cassettes stocked up. They are going to disappear eventually. I can tell the difference between a 51T low and a 50T low, and with a 28T chainring already, going smaller upfront isn't really an option.
I was considering buying this to upgrade my Deore fatbike 1x10 drivetrain. Shifting under load is always so-so on the old Deore 10spd. It works but just clunky. I'm also not concerned about the weight as much on my 38lb fatty.
@@LoveMTB Great point! Rust is def an issue with transporting on salty roads, and just nasty winter conditions in general. Regardless it does seem like this drivetrain would probably suit the high torque low rpm nature of fatbiking.
im considering going from T type x0 to CUES or Linkglide. What do you think? I might send the t type to my enduro acoustic bike. And get the heavy duty on the EP8 bike... would you agree?
I'm building a BMX with gears and admire the cues drivetrain I've got the 9 speed shifter, the 9-10 spd derailleur, just got the 9 spd cassette, but the cassette is for a mountain bike style spindle, and I don't have enough room between my chain stays for all that
8:40 - I will definitely if the claimed 3x better durability is the case. BTW Does this crank spider (on a drive side) is compatible with an Octalink II BB? At 1:35 it looks familiar (so does the puller at 1:58).
A mix and march between 11s components for sure, not only for the linkglide cassete and m5100 compatibility but also the other way around, using linkglide components with older generation "light-ish" cassettes, some sunrace 11-46 for example. It may not make sense with this particular derailleur, being high range, but it may be a good setup with a m5130 for example, if it works
Excellent video as my CUES 1X10 is in the mail now. Cannot wait to get it. Im a little qorry as my chain stay length is 425mm, hope there are no issues there
Started my installation and seems to be going good so far, just need to put the shifter on and cabling now. Thanks to your video made the installation so far very easy especially sizing the chain. Hope the remaining install all goes as smooth. Will keep you posted
@LoveMTB took it out for a test ride and not sure how it happened as the limit s were set correctly but the derailleur cage plate was totally bent by the chain and the chain all jammed up in the rear cage. Never had this happen before. Returned home and took cage plate off and bent it back. Shifting up gears is ok but shifting down 1 gear doesn't shift but need to shift 2 down and then 1 up. Not very impressed with it so far. I will change to new cable housings and also change the cable that came with the cues shifter as it has some greenish blueish coating that doesn't appear to be very friction free in the s himano housing I'm using.
Any other ideas to get better shifting (I already chrck my hanger is straight and also took a spacer out of the drive side of the bb sp the chainline is better)
Great Video and very informative. I installed a 6000 series 2x11 on my hybrid 700 bike with 50/34T chainring. So, I installed the cues RD-U6020-11 and 11-45T linkglide cassette ( replacing 11-28T), the new cues shifter and linkglide chain. I agree the shifting is delayed but I am now used to it and after 800km it runs very smoothly.
Yeah we noticed it at first now it’s “how it is”. Interested to see it long term even though if what Shimano says it’s true (3x) it will take a while 😊
Hi, how are you? I'm currently rebuilding a 2019 Scott Aspect with Alivio 3x9. I've just installed a 1000W rear hub drive motor, so far it works well. My consideration now is to replace the 3x9 with either a 2x10 or 2x11 drive train and trying to decide between CUES and Deore group set. The bike is used for commuting to work, shopping (panniers and trailer) and weekend fishing/camping trips. I ride mostly road with some trail riding on weekends. How are you finding the Cues now? My leaning is towards the CUES, as they can be set either x10 or x11, governed by the shifter.
@@Frombie_01 After a 5 months of running cues 6000, I have to say I am very happy with shifting and also smooth running compared to my 1x12. If I was to convert another bike I would recommend it. the only thing I don't like and that is personal, is the gear ratio changes between cogs. For me, it has a large gap between cogs and for my use is not ideal.
@@Navigator-apex That is something that bothers me with 1x systems. I neglected to mention that I was actually looking at the 2x. However my point still stands regarding the versatility between the 10 and 11 speed. It is basically just changing the shifter and cassette.
Have I seen Unior tools wrench in your hand. Well that is an old company from Slovenia very well known for quality tools ever since Yugoslavia time, which I barelly remember as a small kid. I still remember my fathers Unior tool box made of metal. Their tools are really quality ones, shortly tools for life.
tip for better shifting on long therm: immediately throw away the stock shimano green inner cable and replace it with a good quality, stainless, grinded one.
This makes sense to me. I have zero need of a 10 tooth sprocket on my 12 speed shimano cassette. The durability would be really welcome too. I seem to a go through an XT or SLX cassette once per season. Seems silly and I don't really care about weight on my trail bike. But, I watched your video on using AXS with Shimano 12 speed and now I'm hooked (BTW, you never did a follow up after that video. Are you still running AXS with Shimano?)
The LinkGlide XT shifter does not have double click upshift. They did not include since it was originally intended for ebikes.
Good to know thanks! So no good reason to get it then, save the $$$ and go for the CUES
But does it have instant release?
@@nicolasbozzo2364 XT usually has. Not that it really makes a difference at least not for me
@@LoveMTB I don’t think it has a distinguishable impact in performance, but i like the feedback from it
runing my cues 10s u6000 for about 500km.. does the job quite well on an bbshd 52v
Nobody will race with these components so it is ok to shift a little slower. You will get used to it anyway. It makes it last longer and thats good.
True that!
I've just killed first chain on my Linkglide drivetrain, and there is NO SIGN of wear on the cassete.
So far, so good.
Can we change 11t to 13t cassette spokets if it wear out ? & Where to buy ?
@@pickongamer4357 yes you could definitely replace & don’t know where you’ll find those, did you check online?
@@pickongamer4357
Didn't need it as of now, haven't search for them.
Shimano said you can buy them. Where? I do not know
Merci!
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Im planning to use a m6100 rd, m5100 shifter and a u6000 11speed cassette should work. Probably.
Might not work to your liking be ready for that
@lovemtb Why is that? Is there anything i could change to make it work better?
The big question for me is can I use the new CUES cassettes with older 11 speed setup. So would a previous linkglide 10/11 speed shifter, derailleur, and chain work with a newer CUES 10/11 speed cassette? I'm assuming since the spacing is the same, it would be fine. I just want to be able to use a burlier steel cassette for durability.
Linkglide to linkglide yes, it works. Linkglide/ CUES to old stuff not so much, more to come on that soon!
Hi, has anyone tried combining the U6000 with M4100 , if so, is there a difference between the cues switch and the m4100, does the m 4100 shifter just look more interesting or is the m4100 not very suitable for this?
Hello!
I do have shimano 11s m5100. Can I buy just the cassete and have linkglide advantages? What is the mix and matching compatibility with m5100?
Not compatible
And if use shifter SL-M8130-IR11 it will still not working? Thanks!
I really like how people barelly use old stuff that works instead of the old stuff, that was really good a while ago, much cheaper and that in many parts of the world would be right way to go, because a carbon expensive bike is really not what you need, when you barely have roads without asphalt. :))). World under bubbles. Rich vs poor, the ugly truth. I'd literally have to do a train ride every weekend for such stuff, while going to the supermarket for shopping is definitely overkill this, if you want to also take into account possible thieves.
I got a neighbour kid, that barelly afford stuff over 500$, What does that kid need for dropping stairs in the city, posibly o good steel sturdy frame, a 3x8 shimano altus (old school derraileur with big wheels, that's very good at holding the chain) and steel spoked wheels, maybe not even disk brakes. And we're talking about taking people based on bubbles and dreams, new stuff all the time.
I bet my money that a 1x9 CUES would serve that kid better, this is a good advancement of tech. And nothing wrong with setting up a 1x10 with 11-36T cassette and Zee derailleur for peanuts it would work just amazingly well😊
@@LoveMTB Yeah, if he'd have the money to maintain it. It doesn't matter that the technology is good if the money are not there. We are talking parents that may have less 2000$ a month, probably a second hand car to maintain and 2 kids.
I do have a beefed up Rockrider st520, basically a frame with enduro wheels si rockshox xc30, everything upgraded as cheap as possible, with as much budget for learning. It's an all around bike that takes 170kg on it when going shopping.
Do you want to know why I don't go 1x9? A 1x9 chain is almost twice as expensive as an 1x8, A chainring is almost as priced as a 3x crankset.
The only problem I have, and it's annoying, is that somehow, in traffic, when switching chainrings, the chain itself gets stuck to the chainring and pulled up. But that's also because I keep stuff a bit dirty.
What this kid would actually need is a cheap 1by8 system, possibly one of those chainrings with 2 plastic guards. The biggest problems, however, is that he needs good wheels, and these chinese ZTTO enduro are crazy good for me, but at 130$, he wouldn't even think about it.
I have a vid about those....great value!@@cyberalex4life
What I really want to see is mix and match series stuff with cues. I know Shimano say they're incompatible, but i still want to see it.
Coming!
Well done, just facts. This is the group set I have been waiting for, tech for the masses.
Yeah I hope it will be popular as it is a good idea and it really works well
Good video, I've just installed u6000 1x10 on my city bike and I've found the shifting to be very good, it shifts a bit slower than my 1x12 deore but a way to mitigate that is simply to spin the cranks faster.
Yup pretty much our experience. Soon faster or go faster!😎
12month and 2000km later,my u6000 take it like a champ:)
I could purchase a Giant Fast Roads AR2 with Sora 2x9 or with CUES U4000 9 speed, which is better?
CUES
It does looks a tad slower shifting. That would throw me off. If not for your video, I would think I didn't tune it correctly. 😅 Still sticking with the m5100, but that new crank does looks cool, just not the crank puller part. Haven't used one of those in a few years.
Yup I had to dig out for it!😊
Iam waiting receive my bike with Cues 11v. For me is interesting the resistence and a possibility to change gears applying more power that an usual groups sets. Lets see
@@robertochiaratti1380 It will work as designed let us know how you like it 🤘
Definitely a consideration, when my sram cassette is needing replacement. Is the shifter compatible with matchmaker bar mount system
It’s Shimano so it won’t be compatible but bar clamp will work
Durability for ebike
Requiring a crank puller is a step backwards. Not really sure what Shimano is doing lately. I suppose this a more recreational group set where users aren’t likely to be wrenching their own bikes. 🤷♂️ Love my XT stuff for the most part but Shimano is slipping more and more rapidly. SRAM really pulled the rug out with UDH.
It does feel that way doens't it?
The lesser spotted crank removal tool.
I installed the cues u6000 groupset and I can tell you I'm not impressed. The cable, its housing are new, tuned rear derailleur correctly and still I don't like it. the shifter feels like tourney, the derailleur has a play, the cassette is way too heavy and made from cheap metal=washed it with the gasoline and let it dry for a day. and the rust spots came up)
Washed with gasoline??? Why?
Groupset works well for us we put it through the ringer in the last few weeks, so far so good. Materials, finish, not XT/ XTR quality but it is not supposed to be and price reflects that also.
@@LoveMTB agree with you. Mb I just had too high expectations)
With you on that😊@@lollol2283
Eew. So much wrong with this drive train and it cost more than deore at the moment 😅
I use linkglide with XT M8130 derailleur. Can someone explain to me, what's the difference between CUES U6000 and RD-M8130SGS?
Also, changing gears down the cassete is lightning fast on my setup.
Never had one in my hand but I assume it is materials and weight and ability to adjust the clutch without removing the cover and...that should be it!
I upsold a customer on cues 9 speed for their e-cargo bike. I was impressed how much quieter the drivetrain was when shifting to the smaller sprockets. I attribute this to the linkglide technology. I recommend it for any e-bike with mid drive motors.
Oh yeah this was built with e-Bike in mind m. What do you mean upsold?? What was the alternative?
@@LoveMTB Instead of replacing the worn drivetrain with a like for like alivio I got them to spend more on the cues.
Got it, great choice!@@bddorling
Can I use the SRAM XX1 chain
the Cues u6000?
Yes
They should have a separate line for ebikes with slower upshifts and offer the faster shifting version for the rest of us.
@@chuckwalla2967 this IS for eBikes, technology works that way there’s no 2 ways about this
I just have upgraded my ebike from Alvio to Cues 9 speed (full cues package). Shifting is awesome but i'm not happy with the rear derailleur! Do you know if the Shimano CUES U6000 rear derailleur works with cues 9 speed?
I got U6000 1x10 speed, 6 pieces/components, for less than USD175 (converted) and MT200 hydraulic brakes front and back for USD35. Ah, and SR Suntour XCR 32 RLR air for about USD80. Think this will give me good upgrade from my current Tourney XT, mechanical brakes and XCM. Western world overpays for sure, not on all products, but many.
Enjoy your upgrades! Definitely amazing value
Hi, i have sleep less night thinking of if shimano cues are compatible with other series like atus acera . Kinda mixmatch set up for lower speed. I hope u see my idea and i hope u can help me with that.
Would it be possible to use just the CUES crank with an older rear derailleur with a 9 speed chain?
Yes no problem
@@LoveMTB Thank you for the confirmation, much appreciated
@@LoveMTBJust got the U4000-1 with 32 teeth and it works perfectly with the existing BB. Thinking of getting the 11-46 cassette now! Appreciate these videos!👍🏻👍🏻 Cheers and keep making such videos
Shimano CUES U6000 is that can use on normal mtb bike.such as evil.ibis .merida one forty
shimano tourney is the history?
@@titan5914 believe they keep Tourney
É possível usar só o pedivela Shimano cues FC-U4000 com o grupo Alívio m3100 2x9s ?
I'm surprised you didn't need spacers for your BB. I tried to install that same BB on my wife's bike but her frame is narrow so tightening the CUES crankset without spacers left the cranks visibly offset towards the non-drive side.
I have a 2.5mm spacer on the drive side like Shimano recommends for the 73mm Bb shell
@@LoveMTB ahhh ok. I'm not sold on using an aftermarket chain though. I haven't tried the factory chain yet but the aftermarket one I have is making a lot of noise and it needs to go on the chainring exactly right or else it sits too high and slips.
I think its pretty good and if installed on a newly purchased bike (regular or E) it could last the life of it. Having to use a crank puller...no big deal. This what you have if you just want to ride a bike and not think about charging, or replacing parts and performing maintenance. Great for the masses.
I agree this can last the life of the bike (if you remember to change the chain of course!)
@@LoveMTB That's it. Maybe picked up at a bike service every year or two.
Hello, are the cues u6000 compatible with non other cues parts? Basically I want to upgrade a mid-tier bike. My current crankset is just some cheap 1x 32tooth square taper Crankset ( i alos want to upgrade to hollowtech II), pared with a KMC Z9 Chain.
both cranksets have 32 Teeths and are the same height.
but i dont have hyperglide or linkglide. and my cassette is a 9 speed microshift cassette.
will the crankset skip my chain while riding? Are the teeths on the shimano different than on the cheaper crankset by meroca?
Hello gave this video all about that - 5 of 5 Shimano CUES Compatibility - Linkglide M5100 U6000 MTB 11 Speed
ruclips.net/video/MV2O3XBSwZ4/видео.html
Is there a way to install a Shimano cues of any style onto a flip flop hub?
I don't want this confused cues stuff. I just bought an XT setup and will continue to just get SLX or GX or above.
It's not for the XT market...ebikes and mid/ entry level
Hi, what BB do you recommend in the mid/high level for a shimano 12s with SLX crankset, thanks.
The bb mt93 or bb mt800 are good. I think that the mt93 have better seals
As a mechanic, it's always funny to see, how some people " calculate" the length of the chain😁👍‼️
I even don't try to understand the math, of adding 5 to 6 links or 6 to 7 links.
From what reference line? From witch position? Rear Derailleur cage 90 degrees? (doesn't matter at all!)???????
In work education school for mechanics, to install a chain properly, you always start with small - small, before cutting, try big - big ( 3 ring crankset 😂). And your adding mathematics, is only nessesery with Full suspension bikes, and I only do it at my DH Bike. Otherwise, the capacity of the rear Derailleur " makes" it for us. Especially, since 1 x anything 😁😎😁😎😂😂‼️
I know it might look funny but It works! Definitely on a HT it’s bulletproof. On a FS is a good starting point sometimes you have to cut a couple more links but otherwise spot on😊
👍
I just built a winter beater bike with the 10 speed and 11-48 cassette. It definitely feels slower. But it works fine, most consumers won't even care
Huge majority won't notice either!
Slower compared to what ?
@JitinMisra slower shifting compared to something like a GRX or Deore setup
Nice.... I think Shimano has made a good choice with drop bar brifters and road bike components coming soon. With much less stock to keep in the inventory going forward because of the common pull ratio and modularity of the design another obvious advantage.
I would use those cranks with a narrow wide single chainring and go ten or eleven speed on my hardtail using linkglide and U6000 CUES components.
I think the new crank design is excellent with the whole CUES line-up a winner. The linkglide cassette shifts slightly slower than Hyperglide plus but the added strength and longevity would make the shifts a moot point. The new modular CUES components are very robust and definitely a huge step up over Acera with a definite push towards the higher end of the component line rather than the lower end.
I haven't seen much if anything on anyone using or reviewing the new Shimano sealed bearing hubs yet as they are a complete change of mindset for Shimano. I love the U8000 brakes it looks like Shimano has hit it out of the park again.
With some Suntour Epixon front forks any build starts to become a great build with recreational riding and value for money in mind using CUES.
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Have not seen those hubs either! But once you get into that there's soo much competition already, it's not even funny
This looks perfect for me. My Cube Reaction ebike with a 1x11 10-50T Deore 5100 cassette and derailleur is going great so far, but when it needs an upgrade I'll be going with this. Should bolt straight on to my HG freehub!
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Now, there is a Cues rear hub. 😊
My linkglide chain is almost at 0.5% wear (U4000 9s set), I use it mostly in steep terrain, so most of the time I climb, which is acceptable. It will wear the chain slower on flat though. I think I could get 4 or more chain replacement at 0.5% wear before I can change the cassette. I checked the cassette, and there is not even a sign of wear on each teeth even when I climb a lot.
Great! It is what Shimano said about longevity also
fantastic drivetrain! thats all I really need, checks every box of mine :)
@@vncdvncd8331 agree and cheap!
I'd be curious how this compares with the Deore XT Linkglide stuff. 8130 I believe is the model line.
Exactly the same Linkglide tech, XT will be slightly lighter and use Alu here and there.
Is it worth upgrading from Shimano Deore M5100 11 speed?
What are you hoping to get? Upgrade wise…
My answer would be NO, unless you have an e-bike.
God bless You, for the tip: how to remove crankset.
Glad it helped!
Octalink reborn .
No kiddin’😎
@@LoveMTB My 2003 Redline Double X limited edition BMX (orange) has a similar bottom bracket shaft but with large American shell .
My Oggi Razzo e-mtb has this U6000. I ride about 1200km with it (750 miles). It is really slow to hard gears. And, in several occasions after rain and mud the bigger light gear do not goes down more. I need to stop and press by hand turning the pedals and lifting the wheel . A strong spring is necessary for use in MTB.
From what you’re saying you might need a bit of adjustment on that drivetrain m. Also clutch service 😉 have videos for all that
@@LoveMTB I hope you are right and a adjust can fix this. I saw some videos about the "B" adjustment of the rear derailleur. I will try it.
@@x.trailcwb1546 Yeah I would recommend a good video like this one and the Shimano 12s install I'm rferring to, not just "some video". And B-gap can be part of it but it doesn't sound like it is your only issue here😉
I'm picking up a bike next month with a 2x10 Cues drivetrain. Any tips? (Coming from a Shimano Nexus 3, any tip is appreciated)
Oh yeah, ENJOY it! Nothing to change or upgrade, just ride and have fun
@@LoveMTB thanks! I'll make sure to have fun :)
Can My Shimano u4000 can use with the new cassette10 speed?
All CUES?
Another awesome vid thank you for that!!! The cues stuff looks good to me but I like the work horse xt line.Cheers!!!
Thanks Glenn it would work great on your e…😊
Excelente !!!! Can I use a chainring
different from Shimano cues?
Yes you can!
Can I use cues 9 speed shifter on any 9 speed derailleur?
Not really
is the crank puller is the same puller used for octalink?
Pretty much
Thanks👍👍👍
My dream dream dream bike
I've already have my next Chinese 11-46 10sp 330g cassette at home, but since linkglide came out, I'm seriously considering selling it and going with Shimano overweight glide technology. 😋
I think this is really what industry needed. Less waste, more reliability and durability.
But I think I'll grab OEM xt linkglide rear derailleur at a bargain price, instead of going for cues derailleur and shifter.
That’s an option as well, but XT 8120 and Cues uses same te h, I would grab the XT shifter and everything else Cues 😉
@@LoveMTB well, i would till recently too. But I've found out the main slop source between 6000 and xt and up, is the hanger bolt in the derailleur. I've seen this video, where the guy recommended changing the bolt in a 6000 deore, to eliminate slop in this area. Bolts from xt are not easy to find, and those little parts are rarely economical, plus slop also comes from glide bearings in jockey wheels. So I get OEM 11sp xt with tighter tolerancesc@ hanger, sealed bearings in jockeys, for 46,3$ Inc shipping, and I can choose 10sp or 11sp overweight glide cassette. I currently run 10sp, so I think I'll finish current drivetrain and swap to 11sp.
XT purchased. The rest will wait
@@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 let me know how you like the end result!
I would have loved to see the 11-51 Teeth cassette from M5100 make a Linkglide comeback, but I think that it won't be missed too much considering the already high count of Teeth at 50.
This CUES lineup will eventually REPLACE that Deore, and I think they want to keep it different than the 51T that 12s goes up to.
And that's why I keep 11 speed M5100 cassettes stocked up. They are going to disappear eventually. I can tell the difference between a 51T low and a 50T low, and with a 28T chainring already, going smaller upfront isn't really an option.
I was considering buying this to upgrade my Deore fatbike 1x10 drivetrain. Shifting under load is always so-so on the old Deore 10spd. It works but just clunky. I'm also not concerned about the weight as much on my 38lb fatty.
This would be close to perfect Just maintain that chain after each ride especially that LG500 chain is prone to rust!
@@LoveMTB Great point! Rust is def an issue with transporting on salty roads, and just nasty winter conditions in general. Regardless it does seem like this drivetrain would probably suit the high torque low rpm nature of fatbiking.
For sure, it is what it was designd for@@rpiian
im considering going from T type x0 to CUES or Linkglide. What do you think?
I might send the t type to my enduro acoustic bike. And get the heavy duty on the EP8 bike...
would you agree?
I would definitely consider that Linkglide was meant to be used on eBikes
more than the t type?@@LoveMTB
Yes for the price and simplicity and possible cost savings long term@@ignaciosevil2157
I'm building a BMX with gears and admire the cues drivetrain I've got the 9 speed shifter, the 9-10 spd derailleur, just got the 9 spd cassette, but the cassette is for a mountain bike style spindle, and I don't have enough room between my chain stays for all that
3:06 3:09 I think its better if the crank set is more big 38 to 40 teeth fd
Depends on the riding that you do and if it fits the frame😉
Great video. Love a cheaper but stronger drive system. Old school low tech brute strength. Just what I need.
Thanks it will probably become standard in a few years
@@LoveMTBhow is it compared to alivio ?
Better, probably much better@@JitinMisra
8:40 - I will definitely if the claimed 3x better durability is the case.
BTW
Does this crank spider (on a drive side) is compatible with an Octalink II BB?
At 1:35 it looks familiar (so does the puller at 1:58).
A mix and march between 11s components for sure, not only for the linkglide cassete and m5100 compatibility but also the other way around, using linkglide components with older generation "light-ish" cassettes, some sunrace 11-46 for example. It may not make sense with this particular derailleur, being high range, but it may be a good setup with a m5130 for example, if it works
Are chainrings replaceable
They are!
Excellent video as my CUES 1X10 is in the mail now. Cannot wait to get it. Im a little qorry as my chain stay length is 425mm, hope there are no issues there
Let us know how you like it!🤘
Started my installation and seems to be going good so far, just need to put the shifter on and cabling now. Thanks to your video made the installation so far very easy especially sizing the chain. Hope the remaining install all goes as smooth. Will keep you posted
@LoveMTB took it out for a test ride and not sure how it happened as the limit s were set correctly but the derailleur cage plate was totally bent by the chain and the chain all jammed up in the rear cage. Never had this happen before. Returned home and took cage plate off and bent it back. Shifting up gears is ok but shifting down 1 gear doesn't shift but need to shift 2 down and then 1 up. Not very impressed with it so far. I will change to new cable housings and also change the cable that came with the cues shifter as it has some greenish blueish coating that doesn't appear to be very friction free in the s himano housing I'm using.
Any other ideas to get better shifting (I already chrck my hanger is straight and also took a spacer out of the drive side of the bb sp the chainline is better)
It’s not good for racing because it shifts slowly.
Yo puedo instalar corona , plato de 36 dientes? Problemas?
what do you think is better deore m5100 11 speed or that new one 11 speed both 11-51 cassette deore m5100 cassete
Sorry you’re asking me the same thing twice😊 my vids in CUES keep comparing them with examples.
@@LoveMTBI just don’t like cues doesn’t have options for closely spaced cassettes
@@JitinMisra it’s meant for wide range 1x that’s why
@@LoveMTB what’sc better option for close spaced drive train but flat bar and 1x?
Great Video and very informative.
I installed a 6000 series 2x11 on my hybrid 700 bike with 50/34T chainring. So, I installed the cues RD-U6020-11 and 11-45T linkglide cassette ( replacing 11-28T), the new cues shifter and linkglide chain. I agree the shifting is delayed but I am now used to it and after 800km it runs very smoothly.
Yeah we noticed it at first now it’s “how it is”. Interested to see it long term even though if what Shimano says it’s true (3x) it will take a while 😊
@@LoveMTB I do go thru a few cassettes so it remains to be seen. It should last longer because it is steel and not AL alloy.
Hi, how are you? I'm currently rebuilding a 2019 Scott Aspect with Alivio 3x9. I've just installed a 1000W rear hub drive motor, so far it works well. My consideration now is to replace the 3x9 with either a 2x10 or 2x11 drive train and trying to decide between CUES and Deore group set.
The bike is used for commuting to work, shopping (panniers and trailer) and weekend fishing/camping trips. I ride mostly road with some trail riding on weekends.
How are you finding the Cues now? My leaning is towards the CUES, as they can be set either x10 or x11, governed by the shifter.
@@Frombie_01 After a 5 months of running cues 6000, I have to say I am very happy with shifting and also smooth running compared to my 1x12. If I was to convert another bike I would recommend it. the only thing I don't like and that is personal, is the gear ratio changes between cogs. For me, it has a large gap between cogs and for my use is not ideal.
@@Navigator-apex That is something that bothers me with 1x systems. I neglected to mention that I was actually looking at the 2x. However my point still stands regarding the versatility between the 10 and 11 speed. It is basically just changing the shifter and cassette.
Which one is better u6000 or m6100?
They’re both great! What’s the application? They are meant for two different ones
@@LoveMTB I'm planning to build a hybrid bike
@@inyourears2596 I would personally go u6000 10 times out of 10
@@LoveMTB ok will get the u6000 because i believe you
@@inyourears2596 ok😎
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Thanks fo rmovie. Shifting down is not as bad as i thought. I can't wait till I check 11 speed XT version ;)
It’s not bad at all but noticeable. However shifting under power (try a start) it has this positive clunk that I kind of like🤓
@@LoveMTB I like it also in my current 8100 groupset, so I can't wait even more ;)
can I use the RD CUES U6000 for my 1× 8S MTB?
@@rmascarinas47 I it is called Shimano ESSA dedicated 1 x 8
@@LoveMTB I need stronger spring for my RD so not to got loose my chain during free wheeling
@@rmascarinas47 and that’s what Essa is
tip for better shifting on long therm: immediately throw away the stock shimano green inner cable and replace it with a good quality, stainless, grinded one.
Galvanized cables might rust but they keep operating smoother for longer if you keep them lubricated.
@@LaurentiusTriarius it wasn't a classic tech tip. it was about the shitty stock, layered shimano cable that might be designed by sram. :)
This makes sense to me. I have zero need of a 10 tooth sprocket on my 12 speed shimano cassette. The durability would be really welcome too. I seem to a go through an XT or SLX cassette once per season. Seems silly and I don't really care about weight on my trail bike. But, I watched your video on using AXS with Shimano 12 speed and now I'm hooked (BTW, you never did a follow up after that video. Are you still running AXS with Shimano?)
I do not as I’m always testing new things. However there are quite a few folks that I know running it successfully both on bikes and e-Bikes
If you are burning through SLX and XT cassettes, try a Deore cassette with all steel cogs.