The New Dune Movies BETRAY The Philosophy of the Books

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  • Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024

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  • @robpeterslaypaul
    @robpeterslaypaul 21 час назад +19

    Hey, finally something that Sunday and Destiny can agree on! Both having terrible takes about the Dune movies!

  • @StandsRReal
    @StandsRReal 21 час назад +15

    I’ve read dune and I felt a lot of the changes were unnecessary. However, dune part 2 gave me one of the best theater experiences of my life to a point where it was hard for me to give a shit.

    • @thegercast4794
      @thegercast4794 18 часов назад +3

      as somebody who's seen it in imax theaters too, I really have no idea how so many people thought the experience of watching that movie was so insane and mind blowing.

    • @samfann1768
      @samfann1768 16 часов назад +1

      @@thegercast4794 Same. I watched the first one and was just kinda like "meh". I then read the book and thought it was so much better the movie is not worth watching. I'm glad people got enjoyment out of the movie, but Villeneuve's Dune is not for me

    • @whippinsaw
      @whippinsaw 14 часов назад +1

      You are both in the great minority

  • @tomislavpuklin1676
    @tomislavpuklin1676 21 час назад +11

    The correlation between spice and worms is not a known general fact in the books... Not even Paul completely knew. We find out the details and things only become more clear during Letho 2nd's pilgrimage and transformation.

  • @mani225456
    @mani225456 22 часа назад +32

    Don't worry, as a leftist content creator you are allowed one utterly dogshit media take, we understand.

    • @DaggetSWG
      @DaggetSWG 22 часа назад +1

      Well, his Attack on Titan opinion was bad too, because he misremembered key plot points and character interaction at the end. After he reread parts of it, he just double-downed on his previous opinion.

    • @killerskiely100
      @killerskiely100 22 часа назад

      You mean slop content creator

    • @hopethishelpsbro
      @hopethishelpsbro 21 час назад +3

      video released: 1 hour ago
      comment: 1 hour ago
      video length: 50 minutes
      lmao

    • @fatshibaballs
      @fatshibaballs 20 часов назад

      @@hopethishelpsbrothe vod has been out.

    • @maxpis4412
      @maxpis4412 18 часов назад +7

      @@hopethishelpsbroit’s a vod

  • @SalamanderXVIII
    @SalamanderXVIII 20 часов назад +6

    There's criticisms to be made of Villeneuve's Dune through comparison with the books but I'm not a huge fan of "It's bad because it wasn't like how I imagined it in the books" ala your complaint about Ornithopters, and complaining that they didn't show the Battle of Arrakeen in enough detail when the books made an intentional note to basically have it happen entirely between chapters makes it impossible to take any other criticisms of the movie based on thematic or literary parallels to the books or lack thereof seriously, because you've already criticized the movie for essentially adhering TOO closely to the books by largely skipping the Battle of Arrakeen.

    • @MMMM-vq1yr
      @MMMM-vq1yr 7 часов назад

      "Why do stupid nerds online care so much about lore! Narrative, plot and aesthetics should come first during an adaption!"
      "REE ORNITHOPTER!"
      Their discussion on the philosophy is interesting but the complaints on small stuff can be silly.

  • @blackRXrider
    @blackRXrider 18 часов назад +6

    People who talk smack about Super Sentai/ Power Rangers, never watched those shows.

  • @Beelzeboogie
    @Beelzeboogie 17 часов назад +5

    Driving me back into the arms of Westside Tyler.

  • @TheProblem2025
    @TheProblem2025 16 часов назад +2

    “Alright” in that resigned tone is my favourite Brooks catch phrase

  • @thegercast4794
    @thegercast4794 5 часов назад +1

    it depresses me that those movies exist, it depresses me how many people love them. genuinely, i'm seriously, deeply, bothered, angered and demoralized by that. it's disgusting.

  • @thegercast4794
    @thegercast4794 18 часов назад +3

    I was so unimpressed by every part of dune 2... everything I saw was something I wanted to be over to see what was next. Somehow, you made an epic space battle movie with giant army-crushing worms and nuclear bombs in an IMAX theater something I could probably sleep through if so challenged.

  • @Wallyworld30
    @Wallyworld30 21 час назад +6

    Dune: Part Two is the best movie I've seen in ten years.

    • @hopethishelpsbro
      @hopethishelpsbro 21 час назад +2

      i pity you

    • @robrotron2084
      @robrotron2084 21 час назад +4

      Have you been trapped on a desert island for 10 years?

    • @medallish
      @medallish 20 часов назад +2

      I agree, it was honestly amazing, first time I went to the theater in a long time, and it was so worth it. I finished listening to the video, I don't really think they made great points. I like to keep an open mind, even with things I enjoy.

    • @Wallyworld30
      @Wallyworld30 19 часов назад

      Funny thing is I genuinely hated Avatar and PS is raving about that pos​@robrotron2084

    • @napoleonbonafide4185
      @napoleonbonafide4185 16 часов назад

      @@robrotron2084 What movie is better?

  • @Chopstewie
    @Chopstewie 17 часов назад +1

    Ya know what,
    The big melee at the end of the second film is so silly it actually reminds me of the side-scrolling fight in Kung Fury. All the (supossedly) elite soilders just milling about in a state of mild confusion while the protage just kind of waltzes through.

  • @astralflick
    @astralflick 17 часов назад +1

    Even if you disregard the accuracy to the original books (I am not a dune supernerd so I went in as a film fan), Timothee Chalamet was completely unconvincing as this “Messiah” figure and his character progression was as abrupt and jarring as Anakin Skywalker’s in the Star Wars prequels. The final battle was also one of the most insulting events in a movie as well received as this movie.

  • @rbarrington8911
    @rbarrington8911 20 часов назад +3

    Villeneuve is a great filmmaker, and you are not looking at his work as a standalone artwork, which it is. Blade Runner is not even close to the source material either, but it is still a great film. To adapt a novel, this is kind of what you must do. Narrow it down, simplify and change things, to keep things interesting and fit within a reasonable time limit.

    • @taliakelly554
      @taliakelly554 15 часов назад +1

      Blade Runner is incredibly boring

  • @geoffreyclark7513
    @geoffreyclark7513 14 часов назад +1

    People like you are why we get rise of Skywalker

    • @PresidentSunday
      @PresidentSunday  12 часов назад +2

      Just because The Rise of Skywalker was bad doesn't mean The Last Jedi was good.

  • @taliakelly554
    @taliakelly554 4 часа назад

    I liked the ending where it suddenly started raining

  • @taromadden2514
    @taromadden2514 10 часов назад

    I guess they're both angry and protective in a sort of threatened by popular consumption of nerdy properties sort of way. Whatever.

  • @battleb0ng420
    @battleb0ng420 10 часов назад

    its almost like films are just bright colours and cacophonous string music and books are based and redpilled

  • @andreaven2287
    @andreaven2287 20 часов назад +1

    I really like Villeneuve Dunes in terms of esthetics, ambiance, spectacle and what the story does in the movies.But I've not read the books and it will not surprise me that the complexity of the plot and the deepest meaning is lost on the screen. The question is : does a movie adaptation have the same goal as a book ? Can it be possible ?

  • @deadstrobe
    @deadstrobe 12 часов назад

    A most insightful & analytical stream!
    But no mention of the Sci-Fi Channel DUNE?
    For shame.

  • @taliakelly554
    @taliakelly554 15 часов назад

    I love the lynch movies, we need the 12 hour directors cut

  • @napoleonbonafide4185
    @napoleonbonafide4185 16 часов назад +1

    I didn't read the books but I cult liked the first Dune.
    These movies are just awesome to watch.
    Also I don't give a fuck about you trying to learn the underlying philosophy of right wingers who write science fiction. Oh do Starship Troopers next then.

  • @Wh40kk
    @Wh40kk 17 часов назад

    What’s the Brooke’s Channel?

  • @Marcus-143
    @Marcus-143 17 часов назад

    I liked that bit in the 1st dune when the guy calls Paul by the fremen name and his weapon goes off and Paul likes that his name is a killing word. The new ones are prettier but not as deep. I stayed away from the series on HBO, but recently decided to watch since 2nd season approved. Coming at it as original material, it was enjoyable.

  • @smithblack5945
    @smithblack5945 19 часов назад

    Sunday and Brooks can never remember Mohiam's name 😂

  • @Luridcontent
    @Luridcontent 20 часов назад

    I don't know if I'd say the latest Dune movies are a problem. I would say that after Lynch's version and the SyFy miniseries another telling of Dune was unnecessary. Plus, you know, the actual books. Stop waiting for Hollywood to tell you existing books are good, people. Especially when they've been hits for decades.

  • @garad123456
    @garad123456 14 часов назад +2

    at least say villeneuve right if you're gonna make a long butt video dissing him
    also, u wrong

  • @TalabAlSahra
    @TalabAlSahra 18 часов назад +1

    Blasphemy.

  • @Horsthunder
    @Horsthunder 17 часов назад

    Hey Sunday you once talked about a book on Japan, do you remember which book you meant

  • @taliakelly554
    @taliakelly554 16 часов назад

    Destroying the spice deposits was in the book

    • @PresidentSunday
      @PresidentSunday  16 часов назад

      Paul threatens to poison the worms in the book. Nuking the spice fields would do literally nothing except ruin a few harvests.

    • @mani225456
      @mani225456 16 часов назад +1

      @@PresidentSunday Don't care, sounds cooler

    • @taliakelly554
      @taliakelly554 16 часов назад

      @@PresidentSunday ohh I haven't read them in a while

    • @abynighteater5670
      @abynighteater5670 14 часов назад +1

      ​@@PresidentSunday I mean, yeah, but that also involves introducing this whole worm life cycle part that was in the book, the pre spice mass and its interaction with the water of life iirc, and the name of the game in the movies was to make it more digestable by not throwing 80 different concepts at you at once, like the previous adaptations and, let's face it, the book, did.
      Saying "I'm gonna nuke the spice fields" is just reusing the nukes we know they have and giving them this new purpose, same idea.
      You can tell me it wouldn't be as effective based on book lore, but based on what the movie gives you, it's enough.

  • @lamikiminach9503
    @lamikiminach9503 22 часа назад +1

    Dune 2 was pretty good but I really was bored to tears watching the first 1

    • @thegercast4794
      @thegercast4794 18 часов назад +2

      That's interesting because I feel the opposite way.
      Part 2 was one of the very few movies I've sat there in the theater watching and genuinely feeling like I was just being fed pig slop. Nothing blew my mind. I didn't feel eager to chat about anything in the film to the people I was with when i came out of that IMAX theater. 100% honest.

    • @jonnyvelocity
      @jonnyvelocity 9 часов назад +1

      The first part was better for me. Better paced and more defined character development.

  • @badrhetoric5637
    @badrhetoric5637 17 часов назад

    The Fremen using ships they've never even seen before is pretty bad...

  • @eddiefinlaw8045
    @eddiefinlaw8045 16 часов назад

    oh man I found the most insufferable part of youtube

  • @youngonion9339
    @youngonion9339 21 час назад +7

    horrible takes all around

  • @thegercast4794
    @thegercast4794 5 часов назад

    i actually think one of the problems is that the movies *didn't* betray the book's original philosophy *enough.*
    lynch was my introduction to dune, so the grimdark, nihilistic, cynical "no such thing as heroes" thing was never what dune was for me. i always saw it as a story about a hero rising up against injustice and corruption. and i do NOT appreciate how much they made it look and feel like that's what it was going to be in the trailers for part 2, how pumped it gets you for the epic scale, hardcore intensity action, and then how denis spits in your eye for two hours for wanting that from the movie when you're actually sat down in the theater. for example, i often think about the moment when they find the nukes in the cave, and how it's not a triumphant, hopeful moment where the plucky rebels get the upper hand over the bad guys, it's another moment where you're supposed to look over at paul and go "no, don't even think about it!" the movie's no fun. not at all. it's so miserable and cynical. i hate it. and if that's what dune's actually supposed to be, well then i guess i hate dune itself.

  • @killerskiely100
    @killerskiely100 22 часа назад

    Insufferable slop

  • @zeex5029
    @zeex5029 21 час назад

    Sorry that happened, but yeah, I'm not watching all that.