"I Prefer Male Presidents" (with Tim Miller) | The Focus Group Podcast
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- One of our focus group participants really prefers that the president be a man. And most of the Republican voters we talked to have only one man in mind: Donald Trump. The Bulwark's own Tim Miller joins Sarah for part two of our season premiere to break down the sorry state of the non-Trump candidates in the Republican presidential primary.
show notes:
plus.thebulwar...
plus.thebulwar...
Sarah and Tim deserve a medal for listening to Trump voters focus groups. I'd get night terrors.
100%
Right??!! I'm so sick of listening to these LUNATICS who will vote for a guy who tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power... although I understand why it's necessary to know what the crazies are thinking
WOW! HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that all these Trump supporters voted for George W. Bush in 2004!?!? IT’S ALMOST LIKE the Republican voters have simply been cultural reactionaries for DECADES!!!
"Get out of here with all your knowledge and experience. We don't want any of that here! Hate it! Give me this weird guy ..." Great stuff. We're screwed.
The dark side of being a Sarah groupie is that I find myself continually quoting you to friends and family. "Do you know what the people in Sarah's focus groups say?!?!" Thank you for explaining the madness.
It seems there is a consistent theme in all focus groups is that the people are never asked to give specifics to back up their sweeping comments. They just parrot the messages that Trump told them over and over.
Exactly. The people that claim the other side are sheep they sure do vomit up talking points fed to them
I think the standard ethics of focus groups has said it's not ok to do that which... Idk how I feel about that, especially if you consider that these people likely don't willingly engage with anyone or anything that could pierce their information bubbles but they will engage with this. Fascism doesn't give AF about ethics and norms and the resistance sticking to them cedes ground
yes .. sadly there are few if any follow up questions and the false narrative gets accepted as truth .. as if their version of 'awareness' is predicated on the constant repetition of right wing 'cliches' .. and there is no way to get through that mind set ...
These GOP voters are all politically illiterate!❄️🌎❄️🤣👌❄️
I call them walking talking points. None of them can answer any follow up questions and I’ve watched every interview with cultists on YT. TYT channels do it often.
Very beneficial for this Dem to listen to both your intelligent views.
Thank you 👍
Good podcast! Thank you for addressing the woman for president issue ❤️
Tim I got your book and it is really good! Glad you have gotten away from the sick part of the Republican party!
I love this channel. What jumps out at me every time I watch the show is that we Republicans have officially lost our friggin’ minds.
Add Angela Merkel, Indira Ghandi, Golda Meir, Mary Robinson, etc to that list of strong, competent female heads of state,
ya, but this is America 🇺🇸
History could be made if Tim Scott gets the nomination and picks Lindsey Graham as VP. They win, get married, and also become the First and Second Ladies. What a hoot!
Can’t happen. Running-mates can’t be from the same state
It’s not surprising that people still think President is a man’s job, but it’s asinine. I have heard so many people say they just could not bring themselves to vote for Hillary Clinton but didn’t know why. I know why. Too many Americans, even women, won’t vote for a woman. That is insanity. Good thing the men have done such an outstanding job that every citizen is happy with our government, right?
"I prefer a male candidate". At least these people are consistent, since I heard the same thing about Hillary in 2016 from conservative women. The argument is obviously stupid, though. Margaret Thatcher was certainly more aggressive than all her successors and everyone took her very seriously, including the USSR. Angela Merkl was also a steadfast leader, widely held up as an example during Trump's shameful presidency. Edit: I wrote about Thatcher 1 minute before Tim mentioned her. 😄
Yeah, Merkel was the first in my mind, being from a neighboring country. She was and is deeply respected, and every male (and female) leader in Europe held her in high regard. Even the adversaries, like Putin, knew, she was a formidable opponent. Im quite sure, that if she hadnt decided to retire, she would still be Chancellor.
I don’t know how you all got through this keeping a straight face cause I totally wheezed 😂 at some of the sound bytes
So glad the show is back! You guys are great
I love Sarah's unabashed honesty.
I love that Tim's book is very visible on the shelf behind Sarah. 😊
SARAH!!! WHERE THE HELL HAS THIS SHOW BEEN????
Groupie love.
I know this isn't the most important thing - but hearing people pronounce Vivek's name properly makes me very happy! - an Indian in the USA
Yeah, not important at all when you take into account how fascist the little fool is having to act to get any "name recognition."
But is his name pronounced one way in all of India?
My last name is German, but its pronunciation varies wildly in different states. A linguist pointed out 7 common pronunciations.
@@Gloominusdm I agree! He's not worth a single thought - but this is a heartening moment for me as a brown girl in the USA whose name is constantly mispronounced. I guess it speaks more about Sarah and Tim, that they take the effort to pronounce a different name properly!
@@Al828282 I would say that his name is pronounced pretty uniformly across India. Just to let you know my credentials - I've lived in 7 cities across India, and know 6 wildly different Indian languages. I appreciate your curiosity regarding it, though!
I'm told the correct pronunciation of his surname is "Rama-smarmy."
I have been looking forward to the Biden-Trump bicycle race.
"Zroom-zroom!" (The sound of Trump cheating.)
I'm pretty sure that Trump would forget how to ride a bike! BidenHarris2024 ❄️🌎❄️
Trump would either talk tough and then back out at the last minute with some lame excuse. Or he would show up in a golfcart and claim, that since it has wheels, its just the same as a bicycle, and all his little cultists would cheer and accept his bs.
Happy to be a Groupie!
Since Sarah brought up her appearance, I will dare to say she looked lovely 😊
I like the two way conversation.
Loving this pod, I hadn't listened in previous years. One bit of feedback, the auto clips are a lot quieter than Sarah & Guest. I keep turning it up for the clips then getting blasted once it switches back.
Gets what job done? He was incapable of getting anything though congress from his own party. What results.
I want these people to be asked their favorite major legislation from the Trump era. Court appointments and executive orders are not legislation. The _biggest_ bill signed was the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in December 2017, the permanent provisions of which mostly cut taxes for corporations and very high incomes. Is that the main thing these voters were looking for?
Tax cuts , acting belligerent on the border, and he was lucky enough to have low gas prices for most of his tenure, if you cover those bases, the average repub is happy and thinks all is fine and dandy .
I’ve become a groupie! 😆😅 thanks for your podcasts!
Great show. Thank you.
Sarah, Tim, and DVR are the best. Thank You.!
I'm a Democrat, taking multiple showers after watching ain't helping
I am definitely a focusgroupie.
Sarah, don't worry about having just gone for a run. You look very youthful and healthy.
And Tim... hi! :)
After listening to you all now for years, it’s fun to see your faces. Glad you cleared up the link face because I definitely though Sarah had spent some real time by the pool. 😂
I would be so crazy if I had to listen to the focus group people having such short memories and no historical context. I would want to give them basic facts but I know that they would not hear me. It would make me absolutely crazy.
Good show!
Trump's people step on one cord and never ever think, for anything, to move off that cord It's like the civil war loser resentment mentality. It's very shadowy in that tent..
Great observation.
Sad truth is this ALL comes from allowing the culture of the Confederacy to continue to thrive after defeating them on the battlefront. What did we expect when places started putting up monuments to literal traitors of the nation and most just shrugged? Everything goes back to Reconstruction and the abandonment of purging Dixie of its slavery culture.
I had to bail because I can't stand listening to adults who soeak like teenagers, as exemplified by overuse of the word, "like."
Tim Miller handsomest Podcaster numero uno!
I’d be interested in hearing feedback from Independent voters on a future podcast. They are the largest portion of voters and seem to be the most persuadable. I don’t think arguing with Republicans or Democrats to see the other side is worth the effort. Independents, like me, do seem to be open to having discussions and actually talking without thinking the other person is crazy.
"coudn't get the indictments out of my head." No kidding?! Imagine how Trump feels.
Great show guys 😊
YUP ... GROUPIE HERE! IT'S BRILLIANT!
proud Groupie
I think it is sweet how you guys try and try to understand these loons.
We have to know what we're dealing with.
Absolutely, guess all of the lies for the past 40 years are coming home to roost. It will take a whole lot to deprogram these people. Perhaps if Faux news goes away that might help a little.
@@SpearcaBut we already do. The media focus on people whose opinions haven't changed on any major topic in fifty years is harmful but also LAZY. How many election cycles since you became politically aware have you seen the "Heartland American Opinion" video package where some journalist or host of some kind goes to bum fuck nowhere to speak some provincial know nothings to ask their views which tells us zip cuz the answers they give have been the same:
"I dislike taxes."
"Change makes me uncomfortable."
"Why are we spending money on THAT when we should be spending money here on Americans?!"
"I think we need to cut government spending on welfare."
"Government needs to stop doing everything big business wants."
"No, I think businesses are too taxed."
It's the same bullshit for decades. The opinions of simpletons, zealots or the politically incoherent when they're not just willfully ignorant.
How about this as a simple litmus test... Black Women gave Biden his win. In fact Black Women have put the Democratic Party over the top rather consistently... When was the last time you saw a slick, sympathetic media package from anyone, old media or online, that was about getting the opinions of Black Women on the election?
You know the answer is a fuck ton less than the umpteenth interview with Jethro at the diner or the average Karen filled focus group.
Wow, most of the people we hear in those focus groups are unbelievably ignorant and delusional.
Tim's last comment about having a full podcast shitting on Mike Pence made my day. I would totally watch/listen to that. No analysis, no commentary, just straight up people from the focus groups dogging on Pence. Epic!
Strong people don’t precondemn young black men and call for their execution in a full page ad. He hasn’t changed his stripes.
So good!
These people want performers not leaders!
you know it's good when there is an Underpants Gnome reference
Liking Sarah's bookshelf
We need a good malignant narcissist!
It's eerie that Carl Sagan predicted this embrace of ignorance on the part of the voters, back in 1995.
I could see this in the 80s… It’s part of the whole John Wayne mythology that’s been adopted by the right whole cloth.
This has been festering badly for fifty years and frankly, it all goes back to us not cleansing the South of its slaver culture fully and abandoning Reconstruction. Then we wonder how monuments to literal traitors who fought to maintain a race based slave system start popping up? And we all as a nation shrugged. That all leads to this, a metastisized Confederate Culture from coast to coast.
And to rid us of this I fear it will have to be burned out, yet again.
H.L. mencken predicted it 100 years before him.
I think the US will prefer women as presidents once we elect a few.
Definitely!!
depends. wouldn‘t want a marjorie greene or margaret thatcher 2.0 in the white house…
“i don’t piss like Nikki Haley” 😂
I was sure Conservativr people wouldn't admit their misogyny about Nicki Haley. She comes across as the most credible person among the others. But people don't vote for somebody to do the job but for someone that will make them "feel good". Since when can people live on feelings alone?
Not me. I’d love Jasmine Crockett and Katie Porter on a Presidential ticket.
Dead on, Sarah! "He can't win" as the morally spineless tack.
I feel the word female is to avoid the word woman. I wish people would get more comfortable with using the word woman
Nice job!
Tim Scott believes he can be the Republican black Obama. He somehow thinks there is a path for a black candidate in the Republican Party to catch fire and win the nomination. Seems like wishful thinking to me.
he‘s running for VP.
Do these people not know there are female leaders in other countries?
I listened to the last podcast of trump voters defending him and dismissing his crimes and it scared the shit out of me. I don’t think I can listen to this one. I know it’s important to know what people are thinking but this is just too much for me. Super interesting stuff but you gotta protect your sanity sometimes.
"Ram-a-swamy".....😮😄🤪....lol
Wow. Only 50 years late to the party. It’s never too late for feminist consciousness raising. Way to go, conservatives! Think your foot-dragging has anything to do with the s-show the country finds itself in? Huh? Ya think?
This is so depressing.
Sarah, your appearances are like a helping of vegetables at a meal. Have to force myself to consume it because so much of the content is distasteful, but am healthier for knowing what's really going on. Politics can't be all red meat and dessert.
Ya, it’s alright to be dumb because somebody else with a brain will bail them out. Sounds like a great formula for governing!
Well said!
That first sound you played of the focus group all consciously and unconsciously described Trump as a strong man. (Which is exactly what he is/wants to be). So fascinating.
The song 'Brick House" by the Commodores is not about a solidly built man ... just sayin'
I'll never be able to hear or even think about that song again without thinking about Trump. Worse still is the thought of Trump dancing to it at a rally.
I hate the guy who said it. I love that song.
Thanks for bringing up the stupid amount of money in these loser campaigns. Rich people complaining about taxes can suck it if they want to throw away their money to something like a DeSantis campaign.
If trump gets in I’m petitioning my government to build a wall! Lol! 🇨🇦🇨🇦
People! Amy Klobachar would be an excellent candidate and president. So electable.
She didn't do very well in 2020, despite the media support. Perhaps there were too many candidates, but her stance on single-payer healthcare hasn't changed and that's a no-no for progressives. Voting for Biden to avoid doomsday is one thing, but leftists are tired of the lesser evil narrative.
Americans tend to prefer tall politicians over small ones. They also seem to have issues with those who wear glasses. At least, there are hardly any who wear glasses...
they vote for the candidate with the best hair..
In a more perfect world you would both be great presidents
I'm going to check fanduel to see if there's any betting action on the appearance date of Tim Scott's beard.
Really? Tim is "mystified" about why Scott is even running? It's jarring that somebody so smart doesn't get something so simple. With the possible exception of Chris Christie, they are all running to be the nominee in 2028. Even if Trump wins the general election, he can't run again. That is assuming he doesn't terminate the Constitution!
Okay, so if we assume that Trump dies or something so can't overturn the constitution to stay in power, are Republican voters really going to mellow out in 2028 and vote for Tim Scott? Trump is the leader of the republican party, but even he doesn't openly support republican positions around Unions and Abortions and such. I think it's far more likely that Ron DeSantis or Vivek will be the front runners of the hypothetical 2028, and Tim Scott will still be in the back half of the running.
The GQP© 'debate' wasn't even the slightest bit 'Vice Presidential'!
😊i love U2
A superb podcast.... it's as if JVL and his inane jibber jabber never existed 😂 (only joking, the trio rocks 👍)
I'm kind of a Tim groupie lol
Well, if I had to vote for one of those Republican candidates, the only one I would consider is Nikki Haley.
Trump just needed two more weeks and he could’ve finished all of those things he said he was going to do.
I decided that his "two weeks" business was Freudian -- he knew he was too weak to do it. :)
I would have no problem with a woman. In fact, my thought is that if they rose to equal prominence in a male dominated environment they are likely better than the men around them. Whether you like their politics or not women have proven on the world stage that they can be awesome leaders: Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Magdalena Andersson (Sweden), Golda Meir. Again, whether you support their politics they all show that women can lead. And then, there's the track record of the men so far. I'm ready now.
Trump supporters should be askied what trump accomplished because he did not do much.
“Shortchanged by COVID…” goddamnit our country has some total zombies
🤔. I may be a groupie, but I'm not cheap and I'm not easy... 😉
Damn, Sarah, I don't know how you listen to these god-awful people and don't lose your dang mind.
Am I the only one who remembers the pandemic?
Btw, “given shit” and “undercut” is politics.
Have these people forgotten Covid and Jan 6th? Jesus!!!!!
People need to acknowledge the reality of international reluctance toward electing women to high office. Deny it at your own peril. It is a reality of the way many feel. Ask yourself how many people have mummy issues. It’s a lot.
I really would love to have a female president for the next several terms in office. Tired with the crap male presidents keep getting us into.
I would listen to two hours of Republican focus groups talking shit about Mike Pence. 🍿
Trump made it okay to air the bigotry.
'They stronger talking'. Wow. The misogyny abounds.
I hope JVL wasn’t listening to this, as I’d be worried for his mental health 😂 As an aside, is an anti female female still a misogynist?
Yes ... its called "internalized misogyny"... you can Google it, it's not a new idea. 🙃
So far I am voting Trump.
Someone needs to start addressing what a Trump win would look like once he's back in the Oval office. It will look NOTHING like his first term!!!! The movie "V for Vendetta" comes to mind.
@@Grandpa_Boxer After all these fascists went after Trump all these years with made up "russian collusions" and baseless impeachments it will be great for our Republic to bring them all to justice.
Groupie!
Like watching hotdogs being made...
The two-time Trump voters like DeSantis' fascism, but ....
I love you guys, and very much enjoyed the show, but almost gave it a pass (subconsciously I think) because of the "Voters are sexist" headline.
MTG pres run would b cool with maga voters
Its so weird what these focus group voters say is a turn off for them. They sound so petty😑
Chris Christie is not memorable?