@@J4sse no he wanted to push rick to the edge The gun itself wouldn't have had any bullets, and the scene would've went down as planned, rick would've stabbed shane like he did But the twist is, after the stabbing and shane being killed, rick would've discovered there was no bullets and kno that shane wasn't trying to kill him, only push
Would have been more dramatic too, to know he killed his best friend and didn't need to. But I guess they wanted Shane to be the bad guy so his arc would be more dramatic. Hard to say which option was better.
Sometimes the actors who inhabit the characters have the best ideas.... This is a brilliant one and I wish they had explored Jon's idea more in the show. In the end tho, I always felt that Shane was doing what Jon described. Furthermore, it's basically confirmed in Season 9 that Rick turned into Shane after killing him, so Jon's idea came into fruition regardless of the death scene
Yeah I mean the scene, while it played out different to what Jon had in mind, still achieved the same outcome for rick in that it pushed him and forced him out of his comfort zone in order to truly become a survivor just like shane was from the very beginning.
No it is t Shane and Rick are vastly different people. Rewatch the show. Shane’s journey would have ended in the CDC if not for the often calm, collected, charismatic, and cautious Rick.
@@suron9135 I don't think so. I think Shane deep down knew that he could never have what he wanted (Lori and Carl to himself).They would never accept him if he showed up with Rick dead. He might have realized that he had to go out and that if he was going to do that, he might as well do some good. Forcing Rick to transform into the monster he needed to be would be a worthy sacrifice. And it would help protect Lori and Carl, whom he loved, and keep them happy...
To me, it would be silly and out of character for Shane to suddenly, suicide basically in order to turn Rick into a stronger man. Clearly HE wants to be the leader, suddenly wanting to kill himself with the plan of making Rick stronger that way is really strange.
@@suron9135 Definitely prefer the way the show did it because it allows you to interpret it how you please. If they went with Jon's idea, it would solidify the notion rather than just come across as a possibility.
This idea is INSANE. It’s honestly so much more poetic than his actual ending. It clearly wasn’t how his intentions were heading overall in the show, but damn that idea is amazing
It's pretty much the same thing that happened. Shane had a bunch of chances to kill Rick in cold blood but he didn't, even holstered his gun at one point taunting Rick to kill him. So even though Shane's gun wasn't empty, his goal and motivation was still the same, he wanted to die and in doing so pushing Rick to become hardened. He was never truly a bad guy, just a broken one.
If only they did this. As ruthless and insane as Shane was turning, it would have been an awesome detail to show that Shane still cared dearly for his friend and would never try to hurt him. Mannn. If only...
I am rewatching season 2 and the same thing keeps hitting me right now, same as it did when I watched season 2 for the first time in my early twenties: everything Shane is prognosticating and preparing them for ( sometimes w/o even realizing it ) comes to be, while he is dually informing them ( in ways ) of the sort of animals they are all indeed going to have to become in order to survive. None of this was on accident and it all came out in the wash, but I do prefer Bernthal's idea for this^ particular season 2 ep 12 scene where Shane kicks off. It would have hit with a stronger'ish gravity. Either way, season 2 is still my favorite and it remains amazing. The older I get, the more nuances and depth I catch in season 2, even down to the pauses and glances between the characters. The 0's into the early tens was a true gem of an era for a lot of tv and even popular film. Adios and Jahspeed to THAT. Thank you for giving us what you gave us. 🤘
That's really amazing, but it would have changed the whole trajectory of the Character Rick. Rick is supposed to be the Godzilla of empathy and second chances, that's the whole premise.
Oh That's an Awesome Take on it. And I can still kind of see that in the scene we got, even though gun was Loaded. Still, how much of a mind F*** would it be to Rick if he found out the gun of his "Brother" he just murdered was empty.
Phenomenal actor and person. Dude unironically carried the first two seasons for me (i know, calm down rick daryl and glenn fans) and wish he got to at least season 4. Waste of a talent and loved the dynamics and complexities of his character because no matter how much people hate him, he was right on a lot of things.
He is so humble and respectful in how he talks to his fans. “Do you want the short version or the long version?” He wants to give us his time, not just showing up to conventions for the pay check. “Forgive me if you’ve heard this before,” not “I’ve answered this so many times already.”
Dammit I wish production would listen to their actors more cause that was a phenomenal idea like why in tf did they not go this route?? It’s objectively wayyyy deeper
Damn this would have been much better than the ending they had for him. And it fits with his character pretty well too. In that dream sequence from Season 9 Shane basically tells Rick that he thinks he made the right choice by killing him that night. So I guess the writers did not include Jon’s idea then, but they did pay a small tribute to it by having Shane acknowledge that deep down he wanted Rick to do it.
This reminds me of the original Resident Evil 2 when after Ada (who was threatening to shoot Leon if he didn't hand her the G-Virus sample) "dies", if you check her gun you find out that ot was empty and she was never going to shoot you. This should definitely have been the scene! Still is in my head cannon since, as Jon said here, he played it in a way that definitely hints Shane was pushing Rick to step-up and become what he had to become.
After what he did to Otis and betraying Rick with sleeping with his wife and also finding out he didn't know where he belonged anymore tbh and lost his best friend.
That would’ve been epic in my opinion if they had done Jon’s idea. Because if Shane had used an empty gun to force Rick to step up, it would’ve demonstrated while Shane was dangerous he always cared about Rick. Enough that he sacrificed himself so that Rick could survive in the world.
It would have been too messy I think personally. It doesn’t follow his character decent. He can’t be going crazy throughout the whole season and then at the very last minute have a redeeming death.
That's actually really cool in concept, and a lot deeper than what we got (which is still great) but ultimately it doesn't fit who Shane was as a person. He was too erratic and wanted Lori/Carl as his own more than he wanted Rick to be a good leader. He saw himself as the man he wished Rick was. Wouldn't have made much sense contextually speaking unfortunately.
That would have been so much better in both a cinematic sense, and from a storytelling standpoint. It would have further the world's/series' non black and white characters, and given Rick even more depth, as well as Shane.
i like to imagine this is what actually happened. i know canonically shanes gun was loaded and he was ready to kill him but god i love this idea alot. i really wish they went with but oh well. TWD had a lot of cool ideas that they wasted for something generic.
That would have been a much more emotionally complex scene. In the actual scene (which is still great), you left feeling like ye Shane is a bad dude, he made a lot of terrible decisions, he pushed Rick, he deserved to be killed. If they went with this alternative version of the scene, it sort of redeems Shane in a way. He knows he's gone too far, can't accept that he can't be with Lori, but still wants to keep her and Carl safe so purposely pushes Rick to become the man Shane believes he needs to be. That would have really suited his anti-hero sort of character rather than becoming a full-on villain like he does in the show. Instead of wanting to outright kill Rick, he is conflicted with the fact that Rick is his best friend so gives him one last chance to prove himself to be the man Lori and Carl needs, practically begging Rick to kill him as a perverted way of sacrificing himself to save them.
Nah as poetic as that sounds like I think it would be detrimental to Rick cause it might give him false hope. Imagine if Rick actually believe that governor would live with them in a utopian society, they would’ve been wiped out
I know everyone’s jumping all over this and thinking it’s amazing, but I’m glad the writers didn’t do it. It’s essentially suicide by cop. Decent plot twist but not at all true to the character. Shane never wanted to die. He was all about survival. His whole motivation in season 2 was that he wanted to lead the group because he felt he was the only one who was capable(which in a sense he was). Suddenly making a switch and wanting Rick to kill him as rite of passage is not a good ending to that arc.
If you notice, most of the masculine characters were removed. Shane, Rick, Earl, Carl, Glenn, Abraham, JeSus. They killed off Carl, who survived everyone in the Comics, and replaced him with a little girl. The men were killed off to make way for a feminist show for sure. Carol, Michonne, Alpha, Maggie, Sasha, Rosita, Tara. All were kept alive while the men were either killed or emasculated (Negan)
So basically, Rick woulda learned that Shane wasn't planning on killing him, he just wanted to push Rick hard, that woulda been dope
This is exactly what I thought
So Shane wants to die then?
@@J4sse no he wanted to push rick to the edge
The gun itself wouldn't have had any bullets, and the scene would've went down as planned, rick would've stabbed shane like he did
But the twist is, after the stabbing and shane being killed, rick would've discovered there was no bullets and kno that shane wasn't trying to kill him, only push
I like to pretend that was the reason and that he wanted to Rick to live with Lori and Carl and wanted Rick to kill him instead
Would have been more dramatic too, to know he killed his best friend and didn't need to. But I guess they wanted Shane to be the bad guy so his arc would be more dramatic. Hard to say which option was better.
That would've been a terrific scene. Holy crap.
that ending sounds amazing
Yes
Agreed, I love this idea
That should have been the way Shane's scene ended. Wow.
If this was how the story really went then my perspective of Shane would be allot different
Sometimes the actors who inhabit the characters have the best ideas.... This is a brilliant one and I wish they had explored Jon's idea more in the show. In the end tho, I always felt that Shane was doing what Jon described. Furthermore, it's basically confirmed in Season 9 that Rick turned into Shane after killing him, so Jon's idea came into fruition regardless of the death scene
Yeah I mean the scene, while it played out different to what Jon had in mind, still achieved the same outcome for rick in that it pushed him and forced him out of his comfort zone in order to truly become a survivor just like shane was from the very beginning.
Its silly that Shane would suicide into making Rick a better man
No it is t Shane and Rick are vastly different people. Rewatch the show. Shane’s journey would have ended in the CDC if not for the often calm, collected, charismatic, and cautious Rick.
@@suron9135 I don't think so. I think Shane deep down knew that he could never have what he wanted (Lori and Carl to himself).They would never accept him if he showed up with Rick dead. He might have realized that he had to go out and that if he was going to do that, he might as well do some good. Forcing Rick to transform into the monster he needed to be would be a worthy sacrifice. And it would help protect Lori and Carl, whom he loved, and keep them happy...
I feel like a lot people assumed Shane brought him out there so that Rick would kill him. It's kinda implied after Shane puts his own gun away
Lmfao that sounds so much better
Ikr, holy
I wish they kept it in
It's gonna be a great scene but director didn't agreed with that idea😢
I wish Shane lived to see negan. Maybe got killed for jumping up when Rick was forced to cut Carl's hand off or something like Daryl did
ik i hated how they killed hkm off so early i would if loved to see how he deals with villains
In the comics he died before the farm.
So we did get to see an extra season of him
Shane would have killed Negan with Lucille
I also wish Shane had made it farther, and after hearing this even more so.
Dale too, he should of had Bob's death.
@@tfive1325 Yeah, but many of the other characters survived past their original deaths as well.
It would had been better that way! Whoever wrote the scene and controls what had happened should had listened to Jon!
Well either way the scene was amazing in my opinion the way shane died was so good but the way he described It was also another good ending to shane
@@Kixal07 I’m with you on that
To me, it would be silly and out of character for Shane to suddenly, suicide basically in order to turn Rick into a stronger man. Clearly HE wants to be the leader, suddenly wanting to kill himself with the plan of making Rick stronger that way is really strange.
@@suron9135 Definitely prefer the way the show did it because it allows you to interpret it how you please. If they went with Jon's idea, it would solidify the notion rather than just come across as a possibility.
That would have completely destroyed Rick.
Damn that actually would have been a good scene shoulda went with it
Damn that's awesome. That's better then how it originally went.
I feel like Shane still wanted to die even tho his gun was loaded
0:57 HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE THING!
THE WOOOOOODSSSSS
lmao
This idea is INSANE. It’s honestly so much more poetic than his actual ending. It clearly wasn’t how his intentions were heading overall in the show, but damn that idea is amazing
They should've done that it would've made his appearance in Rick's last episode worth alot more
"Did you like how you died?"
"Lemme tell you something. M'ask you something."
It's pretty much the same thing that happened. Shane had a bunch of chances to kill Rick in cold blood but he didn't, even holstered his gun at one point taunting Rick to kill him. So even though Shane's gun wasn't empty, his goal and motivation was still the same, he wanted to die and in doing so pushing Rick to become hardened. He was never truly a bad guy, just a broken one.
Extremely sad.. it would've been
alright yoda...
That would’ve been the most haunting scene of twd. I love it
*Would have been a far better ending*
Imagine the music in that scene. Wow... 😭😭
fuck Jon's way is much more better I wish they had used it
Wtf that would’ve been better
Best character in the show
Nah rick is
that would have made more sense for shane'
s character, and it would have been a very good scene
That would have been incredible. Loved shane so much. Bernthal is so talented.
Amazing alternate ending!! Wish producers would had let y’all
This guy needs to direct wtf that was cold
If only they did this. As ruthless and insane as Shane was turning, it would have been an awesome detail to show that Shane still cared dearly for his friend and would never try to hurt him. Mannn. If only...
I am rewatching season 2 and the same thing keeps hitting me right now, same as it did when I watched season 2 for the first time in my early twenties: everything Shane is prognosticating and preparing them for ( sometimes w/o even realizing it ) comes to be, while he is dually informing them ( in ways ) of the sort of animals they are all indeed going to have to become in order to survive. None of this was on accident and it all came out in the wash, but I do prefer Bernthal's idea for this^ particular season 2 ep 12 scene where Shane kicks off. It would have hit with a stronger'ish gravity.
Either way, season 2 is still my favorite and it remains amazing. The older I get, the more nuances and depth I catch in season 2, even down to the pauses and glances between the characters.
The 0's into the early tens was a true gem of an era for a lot of tv and even popular film. Adios and Jahspeed to THAT.
Thank you for giving us what you gave us. 🤘
Wow! That ending sounds so much better! I wished Shane was kept alive to be honest.
Man I just wish rick and Shane could have been cool again they would have made a good ass team through everything that would happen in the future
Yo he had his mark from when Otis pulled his Hair. Insane man.
Bro literally escalated the "Lemme tell you something" to a whole another level
At that point in ricks character arc I reckon that would completely break him and potentially have the opposite effect Shane desired.
That's really amazing, but it would have changed the whole trajectory of the Character Rick. Rick is supposed to be the Godzilla of empathy and second chances, that's the whole premise.
Holy shit bro, when I saw that scene that’s what I wanted and I was so disappointed when that didn’t happen! 😭
I almost could cry..
Wow what a scene, I wish they actually did that
Oh That's an Awesome Take on it.
And I can still kind of see that in the scene we got, even though gun was Loaded.
Still, how much of a mind F*** would it be to Rick if he found out the gun of his "Brother" he just murdered was empty.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Can’t change course every time Someone “Has” an idea
Shane was a prime example of "before their time"
Bernthal's ending could've been more impactful
Just imagining that scene gave me goosebumps, what a shame the producers didn't take that route.
fuck that would have been amazing
This is my head canon.
Phenomenal actor and person. Dude unironically carried the first two seasons for me (i know, calm down rick daryl and glenn fans) and wish he got to at least season 4. Waste of a talent and loved the dynamics and complexities of his character because no matter how much people hate him, he was right on a lot of things.
He is so humble and respectful in how he talks to his fans. “Do you want the short version or the long version?” He wants to give us his time, not just showing up to conventions for the pay check. “Forgive me if you’ve heard this before,” not “I’ve answered this so many times already.”
Dammit I wish production would listen to their actors more cause that was a phenomenal idea like why in tf did they not go this route?? It’s objectively wayyyy deeper
This is much more believable than Shane letting his guard down AFTER that heated argument just to let Rick stab him 😑
BRUH THAT ENDING WOULDVE BEEN AWESOME !
Damn this would have been much better than the ending they had for him. And it fits with his character pretty well too. In that dream sequence from Season 9 Shane basically tells Rick that he thinks he made the right choice by killing him that night. So I guess the writers did not include Jon’s idea then, but they did pay a small tribute to it by having Shane acknowledge that deep down he wanted Rick to do it.
Damn that would’ve been better
Great Question
This reminds me of the original Resident Evil 2 when after Ada (who was threatening to shoot Leon if he didn't hand her the G-Virus sample) "dies", if you check her gun you find out that ot was empty and she was never going to shoot you.
This should definitely have been the scene! Still is in my head cannon since, as Jon said here, he played it in a way that definitely hints Shane was pushing Rick to step-up and become what he had to become.
So basically he wanted rick to take him out that’s why he had no clip in it it was for a show of force but more
What the fuck dude, why would they say no to that?
Damn that’s poetry
Why would Shane be suicidal all of a sudden? he did wanted to kill Rick
After what he did to Otis and betraying Rick with sleeping with his wife and also finding out he didn't know where he belonged anymore tbh and lost his best friend.
OMG, why didn’t they go with this mind twisting ending to Shane!?!?!
This sounds PERFECT!
Who the fuck makes the decision to say no to that scene ??? Fire them immediately
make your own show then
Would've preferred Bernthal's
That would’ve been epic in my opinion if they had done Jon’s idea. Because if Shane had used an empty gun to force Rick to step up, it would’ve demonstrated while Shane was dangerous he always cared about Rick. Enough that he sacrificed himself so that Rick could survive in the world.
0:54 the woods
“T H E W O O D Z”
This way was perfect
That is a better ending!!!!!
Fuck this is better ending now this gonna always bother me that they decide they did it differently
Why this is a way better ending
This ending would have been better
That’s would have been the BEST!!!!
holy shit. that wouldve been a fucking devestating scene for rick
Man this would have been great.
That was Only Jon Bernthal's wish..but, that's Not the way it worked..
Imma pretend this is what happened
That would've been so cool damn
It would have been too messy I think personally. It doesn’t follow his character decent. He can’t be going crazy throughout the whole season and then at the very last minute have a redeeming death.
That's actually really cool in concept, and a lot deeper than what we got (which is still great) but ultimately it doesn't fit who Shane was as a person. He was too erratic and wanted Lori/Carl as his own more than he wanted Rick to be a good leader. He saw himself as the man he wished Rick was.
Wouldn't have made much sense contextually speaking unfortunately.
That would have been so much better in both a cinematic sense, and from a storytelling standpoint. It would have further the world's/series' non black and white characters, and given Rick even more depth, as well as Shane.
i like to imagine this is what actually happened. i know canonically shanes gun was loaded and he was ready to kill him but god i love this idea alot. i really wish they went with but oh well. TWD had a lot of cool ideas that they wasted for something generic.
That would have been a much more emotionally complex scene. In the actual scene (which is still great), you left feeling like ye Shane is a bad dude, he made a lot of terrible decisions, he pushed Rick, he deserved to be killed. If they went with this alternative version of the scene, it sort of redeems Shane in a way. He knows he's gone too far, can't accept that he can't be with Lori, but still wants to keep her and Carl safe so purposely pushes Rick to become the man Shane believes he needs to be. That would have really suited his anti-hero sort of character rather than becoming a full-on villain like he does in the show. Instead of wanting to outright kill Rick, he is conflicted with the fact that Rick is his best friend so gives him one last chance to prove himself to be the man Lori and Carl needs, practically begging Rick to kill him as a perverted way of sacrificing himself to save them.
i hope someone ask him if frank castle was in the walking dead will what would he be
OMG, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE AWESOME!!!
Ey kid, let me tell you something
Nah as poetic as that sounds like I think it would be detrimental to Rick cause it might give him false hope. Imagine if Rick actually believe that governor would live with them in a utopian society, they would’ve been wiped out
headcannon
Shane shouldn't have even died
Terrible idea. It turns Shane into a hero when he wasn’t.
There’s no hero’s in the walking dead. If anything Shane was the hero. He had the right idea from the beginning
@@deadlyviewer7491Like trying to r3pe Lori!?
This reinforces something I've said in the past , we need a what if series of the walking dead
That would have been incredible, wish they done that instead
I FUCKING SAID THIS SOOOO MANY TIMES!!!!!
Holy shit
Scooby doooo
That would of been better that would of been a awesome seen
Wow...that would have been deep
Shane had it all. Rick should have died. Rick is biggest villain in the show. Not the giv, negan or alpha. Rick the prick.
Man! That would have been some deep shit!
I know everyone’s jumping all over this and thinking it’s amazing, but I’m glad the writers didn’t do it. It’s essentially suicide by cop. Decent plot twist but not at all true to the character. Shane never wanted to die. He was all about survival. His whole motivation in season 2 was that he wanted to lead the group because he felt he was the only one who was capable(which in a sense he was). Suddenly making a switch and wanting Rick to kill him as rite of passage is not a good ending to that arc.
That definitely would have been cool. But, Shane being kind of fargone is imo the appeal to his arc and death
If you notice, most of the masculine characters were removed. Shane, Rick, Earl, Carl, Glenn, Abraham, JeSus. They killed off Carl, who survived everyone in the Comics, and replaced him with a little girl. The men were killed off to make way for a feminist show for sure. Carol, Michonne, Alpha, Maggie, Sasha, Rosita, Tara. All were kept alive while the men were either killed or emasculated (Negan)
Good observation That’s why I only like season 1 2,
3 and forward got woke woke woke woke
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they should have done his ending it actually makes more sense