@@braddl9442 So we saw clear evidence that the man had possession of the ball. Did you see any shots where the teen had possession of it? The only moment where the teen may have had possession of it was when he reached between the guy's knees but it would only have been for a split second and obviously we couldn't consider that "control" if it's between a guy's knees and we can't even see it. Regardless, this isn't a clear case of someone stealing it. It was up for grabs until the moment we see clear possession of it.
I saw one clip (not sure if there are others of the same moment from different angles), and it's really hard to tell. I would lean towards the teen having managed to have it in his hand, but he was also balls deep (no pun intended) into the guys personal space. (The "fight" was literally in the guy's crotch area.) So if Chris Belanski (defendant) argues assault, he might win based on that. That's assuming that it can be shown that Max Matus (teen/plaintiff) didn't have the ball until after Chris had it in his chest area and so had possession of it that way. But if it's show that Max had it somehow before it got into that area, I imagine Chris is gonna have to set sail for another new country to explore.
@@Wolfie713 The video I saw is on a person's RUclips channel and he breaks it down pretty clearly with freeze frames and all. It's pretty evident that the teen not only doesn't have a case, but is grossly misrepresenting the entirety of what actually happened. My guess is it's a hail Mary for a 50/50 split. But I don't see it. I'll post a link to it in my next reply because I don't use RUclips often enough to know if we can post links.
@@kennethpullen6889 Unless that person is Max's lawyer, I wouldn't put much stock in that person's analysis. The reality is that Chris struggled to show that he had the ball, which in turn means that Max had a grip on it before he got it out of Max's grip. If a judge decides 50/50, it won't be a Hail Mary, but a case of "there's no certainty either way," which is likely to be the outcome. To me, at the end of the clip, the teen appears upset that he had the ball, it was taken from him, and he's frustrated because he feels powerless while someone else gets the glory that he (Max) rightfully deserves. (That's how he appears to me, not saying that it's the actual facts of the situation.)
If the teen did have it in his grasp it would have been obscured by the fact that the older man had the ball trapped between his knees. But don't take my word for it, watch the video. I'd be curious what your thoughts are.
There are pretty clear videos out there, the kid reached down and grabbed the ball in one hand and then the man lept on his arm, put it between his legs to keep it obscured, and then begins to pry it out of the kids hand. Absolutely despicable.
I've seen multiple videos. It doesn't look like the kid ever had it in his hand to me. It looks like he sticks his have in between the guys legs to try and grab it, but he doesn't yet have the ball in his hand. It looks 50/50 to me.
@@Imugi007 The one I saw looks like the guy in black grabbed the kid's wrist and pulled it between his legs to keep it there while he pulled the ball from his hand. I'm not sure how many angles this was captured from, but maybe there are enough versions to make a better decision, it's not out of the question that the version I saw wasn't as clear as it seemed.
When i was a kid I had a pop home run at an Astros game coming right at me, had my glove out and some azzhole in front of me jumped in front of me and caught it. Never went to a game ever again, threw away my glove.
I've never been within 10 seats of even a foul ball, but I've been close enough to see someone who caught one get berated to "give it to a kid". I really despise that. If I do get one at some point, I'll probably give it to a kid, but that kid will be my nephew when I next see him.
Agreed, I've been to many games and have been hit with a foul ball lol. It's abhorrent to berate a stranger to be charitable to a another stranger, especially when the situation is largely chance.
@stevelehto If the court finds for the kid and orders the ball returned as a ball, and the kid subsequently sells it for $4,000,000, he would be subject (I believe) to paying the capital gains tax on that sale - which could be up to $1.5M. However, if the ball went to auction now and sold for $4,000,000 , and subsequently the court found for the kid, it would likely order the $4,000,000 be paid to the kid as compensatory damages. my question is, would the $4,000,000 in this second scenario be considered tax free as compensatory damages often are, or would he still have to pay tax (capital gains, income, etc.) on that award?
I'd guess the taxes are still owed by the guy who sold the ball, as ill gotten gains are still required to be reported as income. I don't think he can get out of paying the taxes, and if paying the taxes would make him unable to fulfill the judgement, he'd have to convince the courts he's justified in doing so or face contempt of court.
Im wondering what the tax return max limit is in Croatia. Here you get 100% of your income taxes returned to you until you are 25, then its 50% until youre 30. Also would this even count as an income tax or is it a simple sale tax and would that even be taxable for someone under 25?
Excellent question! Illustrates how absolutely messed up tax law has become. To many in the politically connected elite class, all wealth is property of "them" and the citizens only get to keep what "they" let you as a privilege. Basically so as to allow you to keep toiling away for them to get richer from your labor. All of it despicable!
@@mariobosnjak99 Brother, in the US you are subject to income tax from the day you are born until the day you die (and sometimes a little longer). No adjustment to the tax rate according to age, except that some old age government benefits are tax exempt sometimes.
@@CraigGrant-sh3in even so, adults have been snaggin foul balls/homers from kids since... ever. Has one gotten in trouble for it before? Outside of being shamed by the media?
The kid totally had possession and was mugged by the thug to take it from him. Not only should the ball be given back... he should be charged with assault and grand theft! and jailed!
What is annoying me I went to the news stories about this to see if they had video of the ball scrum. They always have this. But no news outlet covering the story bothered to include PHOTOS or VIDEO of this event. There is no way this was not caught on camera. But no media is including the photos in the reporting.
Reproductions of this broadcast cannot be replayed without express permission from the... Or something similar. Maybe the MLB thinks this is bad publicity and isn't releasing footage.
@@roberteltze4850 "fair use" "The fair use doctrine is a legal principle in the United States that allows limited use of copyrighted material without the copyright holder's permission. This doctrine is intended to promote freedom of expression. Fair use is applicable in certain circumstances, such as for: commentary, criticism, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research."
Journalism is dying. You can go down the rabbit hole of their source material and it's just them copying story after story from other news outlets until you hit some random blog post with no source.
IMO the major point of this story is that anyone would pay $$$ for a baseball because somebody had 50 HR's and 50 SB's. The legal fine points notwithstanding (thanks Steve), what a pathetic, materialistic and valueless society in which we live.
"Value" What would you pay for a 500 gram piece of carbon called a "diamond"? Anything is "worth" what a willing buyer will to pay for it. People pay $billions annually in the US for popular music and more $billions equivalent, worldwide, for a byproduct of spoiled vegetation.
Some rock groups will throw guitar picks out to the audience. I have seen fans fight over guitar picks Keith Richards threw. 😂Some people revert back to toddler tantrums when they don't get their way 😂🤣
I had a ball wrestled from my hand once, by a woman who nearly broke my arm doing so. She wanted it for her 5 year old at home. It was my 12th birthday. Sadly, my aunt, who hadn't seen the whole thing, made me give it to her over other people's protests. :( To give you an idea of how long ago this was, Kruk was still a player.
Baseball is one of few sports that let you keep the ball. Football and basketball don't allow it. I think it's good marketing, the fans sure seem to love it.
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As long as Riverfront Colloseum existed, my grandpa had season tickets for Reds games. If there was a left-handed batter, we were on TV. The only person in my family that caught a foul ball in those seats was my dad, before I was born. Every now and then, a player from the opposing team would toss a ball to the kids as they entered their dugout.
What is the world coming to? Ever sìnce I was a child my grandfather would take me to a baseball game at Briggs- Tiger stadium and if you caught a ball it was your balĺ. You big bragging rights when you met with your friends. I guess that's why you get a Tiger souvenir mini bat before the game now. Today there a persons in the stands who lay in wait for a kid to catch a ball and they take it from him. If they did that to me when I was 8-12 I would have proof because I would have used my only defense I would have bit him and he would still have a scar. If you caught the ball it's your ball to keep or sell. The person that took the ball from the birthday boys hand should have been given a stadium step ride. Where are the Karen's and kens when you need one???...
It has rarity, which increases the demand, and therefore monetary value. The amount may seem too high to you, but that just depends on whether the person buying it is well-informed or misinformed of the market.
@@litigioussociety4249 the problem is money is becoming cheaper and cheaper. So those with more money would rather put it into "useless" items than earn a marginal return on that money. This drives up the price of worthless "collectables" in price beyond comprehension disproportionate to historical averages of the same types of "collectables." Tl:dr cheap money makes worthless shit more pricey.
If you are at a baseball game and the bal lands in your drink which is in you hand, and someone else reaches into your cup and takes the ball legally who does the bal belong too?
I just watched a video of this and it does look like the ball got ripped out of his hand and people were heard saying give the ball back. It’s his ball.
I don't think the 18 yr old had the ball, but that is just my opinion. If I was the judge on the lawsuit and could not determine who had the ball, I would have the ball go to auction and the proceeds be shared equally between the two, once all the auction fees and legal fees are paid using the funds from the sale.
"Value" What would you pay for a 500 gram piece of carbon called a "diamond"? Anything is "worth" what a willing buyer will to pay for it. People pay $billions annually in the US for popular music and more $billions equivalent, worldwide, for a byproduct of spoiled vegetation.
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Broke my heart when that little kid caught a foul ball, right on the TV camera, and some POS grabbed it away from him. There are good people left, though. Just saw a video where an intoxicated gentleman at Disney was verbally abusing a young woman with Down's Syndrome, and was immediately pounced on and beaten by angry onlookers.
IF the ball was indeed Ripped out of the hand of the 18 year old, wouldn’t that be something that could result in a Felony Burglary Charge?? (I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve watched a lot of “Lehto’s Law”)
Personally i feel like the mlb and the player himself can also get involved in the lawsuit if they felt like as they would have higher rights to the ball but it may hurt them that they let people take the ball for themselves. Be interesting either way
Ironically this court case will increase the baseball’s value. Given that there is going to be a court ruling on definitive ownership increasing the province of the item.
If there's video of this, the scumbag who did it needs to be charged with assault and robbery of the appraised value of the ball. Not that I expect the justice system to actually work for the innocent or anything.
Its like Frank Barone pushing a kid out of the way at the Hofstra University football game to catch the record game winning 68 yard field goal and then wanting to sell it to the college to give to the kicker. Lol
Reminds me of the very first case in my very first class as a 1L: the property law case of Pierson v. Post (who owned the chased wild fox) … the first person to take control & possess has the ownership rights.
Wouldn't this be conversion according to the letter of the law? It really sounds like someone stole something that belongs to someone else and is now attempting to convert it into cash. That's the civil side of it. But whether or not this kid's injunction is granted, where are the criminal charges against the alleged thief? Since we know that civil and criminal have two different standards of proof, why not let a jury decide on both. Obviously grant the injunction in the meantime if its warranted. But the buck should not stop there. Also, the person(s) responsible should be banned from attending future games. Anyone who wants to make excuses for them can join them at the sports bar because there should be no place for people like that amongst fans who know how to behave themselves in public. It just ruins the experience for everyone.
He won't win. The video is either inconclusive or disproves his case. What I see is the teen standing upright with a man to his right on his knees obviously with the ball between his legs. Perhaps not in his grasp but obviously trapped. The teen then reaches down between the man's knees blindly grasping for the ball. I don't see the ball until the man stands up with it in his hand. The teen didn't go after it like the others and simply saw an easy opportunity for an easy snatch. Not once do you see the teen with the ball or even a clear opportunity for him to actually have the ball.
Now now steve you might be on to something, i say the strongest get to keep the ball. It'll add excitement to the game you get baseball + mma all in 1 sport
Hope the 18y/o kid who appears the rightful owner gets the baseball back! And he should sue the guy that took it from him, for mental anguish etc! Criminal charges should be brought against the guy that took it too! 🤔🤞🙏 george 😎🤿🦈🦑🇺🇸 TEXAS HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND EVERYONE!
Simple solution: balls hit into the stands still belong to the team, and must be returned to them. Then there's no reason to resort to robbery to get a ball.
If video evidence shows that the kid had possession of the ball the other guy should be charged with strong armed robbery.
I finally found some footage of it. Im going to say this might get a 50/50 ruling.
@@braddl9442 So we saw clear evidence that the man had possession of the ball. Did you see any shots where the teen had possession of it? The only moment where the teen may have had possession of it was when he reached between the guy's knees but it would only have been for a split second and obviously we couldn't consider that "control" if it's between a guy's knees and we can't even see it. Regardless, this isn't a clear case of someone stealing it. It was up for grabs until the moment we see clear possession of it.
I saw one clip (not sure if there are others of the same moment from different angles), and it's really hard to tell. I would lean towards the teen having managed to have it in his hand, but he was also balls deep (no pun intended) into the guys personal space. (The "fight" was literally in the guy's crotch area.) So if Chris Belanski (defendant) argues assault, he might win based on that. That's assuming that it can be shown that Max Matus (teen/plaintiff) didn't have the ball until after Chris had it in his chest area and so had possession of it that way. But if it's show that Max had it somehow before it got into that area, I imagine Chris is gonna have to set sail for another new country to explore.
@@Wolfie713 The video I saw is on a person's RUclips channel and he breaks it down pretty clearly with freeze frames and all. It's pretty evident that the teen not only doesn't have a case, but is grossly misrepresenting the entirety of what actually happened. My guess is it's a hail Mary for a 50/50 split. But I don't see it. I'll post a link to it in my next reply because I don't use RUclips often enough to know if we can post links.
@@kennethpullen6889 Unless that person is Max's lawyer, I wouldn't put much stock in that person's analysis. The reality is that Chris struggled to show that he had the ball, which in turn means that Max had a grip on it before he got it out of Max's grip. If a judge decides 50/50, it won't be a Hail Mary, but a case of "there's no certainty either way," which is likely to be the outcome. To me, at the end of the clip, the teen appears upset that he had the ball, it was taken from him, and he's frustrated because he feels powerless while someone else gets the glory that he (Max) rightfully deserves. (That's how he appears to me, not saying that it's the actual facts of the situation.)
I've seen many videos of adults stealing baseballs from children
I just said the same thing. It's thoroughly disgusting, what adults will do for a baseball.
We have a rule, at baseball games: if one of us (all adults) catches a ball, we give it to a kid, period.
@@UncleKennysPlace Your not giving away a ball thats worth 3 million
Children have no ownership rights. Not a problem.
Ripping the ball from his grasp? That sounds like there are laws against this.
If the teen did have it in his grasp it would have been obscured by the fact that the older man had the ball trapped between his knees. But don't take my word for it, watch the video. I'd be curious what your thoughts are.
There are pretty clear videos out there, the kid reached down and grabbed the ball in one hand and then the man lept on his arm, put it between his legs to keep it obscured, and then begins to pry it out of the kids hand. Absolutely despicable.
I've seen multiple videos. It doesn't look like the kid ever had it in his hand to me. It looks like he sticks his have in between the guys legs to try and grab it, but he doesn't yet have the ball in his hand. It looks 50/50 to me.
@@Imugi007 The one I saw looks like the guy in black grabbed the kid's wrist and pulled it between his legs to keep it there while he pulled the ball from his hand. I'm not sure how many angles this was captured from, but maybe there are enough versions to make a better decision, it's not out of the question that the version I saw wasn't as clear as it seemed.
When i was a kid I had a pop home run at an Astros game coming right at me, had my glove out and some azzhole in front of me jumped in front of me and caught it. Never went to a game ever again, threw away my glove.
@@GoonyMclinux Good.
@@PGspeed88 Yup, from some other angles I was eventually able to find. I think a 50/50 split is the likely outcome.
If they find the 18yr old is the owner, the other guys should be charged with grand theft. Might serve as a deterrent to this type of abuse.
There is a RUclips video of an adult woman taking a ball from a child (girl). Every bit of sports is bad or corrupt...
No, sports in itself is not bad. Some fans Maybe, but not sports themselves.
I've never been within 10 seats of even a foul ball, but I've been close enough to see someone who caught one get berated to "give it to a kid". I really despise that. If I do get one at some point, I'll probably give it to a kid, but that kid will be my nephew when I next see him.
I've seen just as many adults rip balls out of kid's hands
Agreed, I've been to many games and have been hit with a foul ball lol. It's abhorrent to berate a stranger to be charitable to a another stranger, especially when the situation is largely chance.
Ben shuffling quietly behind Low Flying Owls, Steve's RHS
Low flying clock flew right past the 7AM drop.
G’nite Bob.
@stevelehto If the court finds for the kid and orders the ball returned as a ball, and the kid subsequently sells it for $4,000,000, he would be subject (I believe) to paying the capital gains tax on that sale - which could be up to $1.5M. However, if the ball went to auction now and sold for $4,000,000 , and subsequently the court found for the kid, it would likely order the $4,000,000 be paid to the kid as compensatory damages.
my question is, would the $4,000,000 in this second scenario be considered tax free as compensatory damages often are, or would he still have to pay tax (capital gains, income, etc.) on that award?
I'd guess the taxes are still owed by the guy who sold the ball, as ill gotten gains are still required to be reported as income. I don't think he can get out of paying the taxes, and if paying the taxes would make him unable to fulfill the judgement, he'd have to convince the courts he's justified in doing so or face contempt of court.
Im wondering what the tax return max limit is in Croatia. Here you get 100% of your income taxes returned to you until you are 25, then its 50% until youre 30. Also would this even count as an income tax or is it a simple sale tax and would that even be taxable for someone under 25?
You knowledge of tax law is not so great. Ordinary Income. Basis to determine amount of income =$0.00.
Excellent question! Illustrates how absolutely messed up tax law has become. To many in the politically connected elite class, all wealth is property of "them" and the citizens only get to keep what "they" let you as a privilege. Basically so as to allow you to keep toiling away for them to get richer from your labor. All of it despicable!
@@mariobosnjak99 Brother, in the US you are subject to income tax from the day you are born until the day you die (and sometimes a little longer). No adjustment to the tax rate according to age, except that some old age government benefits are tax exempt sometimes.
Ben is vertical behind the edge of the LOW FLYING OWL sign to our right.
I doubt he will but I really hope this kid wins.
There's video of it. Its clear what happened.
Probably will win, given the videos.
@@CraigGrant-sh3in even so, adults have been snaggin foul balls/homers from kids since... ever. Has one gotten in trouble for it before? Outside of being shamed by the media?
@I_AM_BAYTOR did you look into the case law ypurself before commenting?
Boy is like , possession is 9/10ths of the law!!
Man is like, finders keepers!!
The 'boy' is 18. Does that not make him an adult male (aka 'man') as well ?
The kid totally had possession and was mugged by the thug to take it from him.
Not only should the ball be given back... he should be charged with assault and grand theft! and jailed!
Where did you get this information from?
Ozzy Man has a vid of this stuff. Adults ripping the ball out of childrens hands. People are nuts.
What is annoying me I went to the news stories about this to see if they had video of the ball scrum. They always have this. But no news outlet covering the story bothered to include PHOTOS or VIDEO of this event. There is no way this was not caught on camera. But no media is including the photos in the reporting.
Because it’s now under litigation, they don’t want to get dragged into it.
Journalism is dead.
Reproductions of this broadcast cannot be replayed without express permission from the... Or something similar. Maybe the MLB thinks this is bad publicity and isn't releasing footage.
@@roberteltze4850 "fair use" "The fair use doctrine is a legal principle in the United States that allows limited use of copyrighted material without the copyright holder's permission. This doctrine is intended to promote freedom of expression.
Fair use is applicable in certain circumstances, such as for:
commentary, criticism, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research."
Journalism is dying. You can go down the rabbit hole of their source material and it's just them copying story after story from other news outlets until you hit some random blog post with no source.
IMO the major point of this story is that anyone would pay $$$ for a baseball because somebody had 50 HR's and 50 SB's. The legal fine points notwithstanding (thanks Steve), what a pathetic, materialistic and valueless society in which we live.
"Value" What would you pay for a 500 gram piece of carbon called a "diamond"? Anything is "worth" what a willing buyer will to pay for it. People pay $billions annually in the US for popular music and more $billions equivalent, worldwide, for a byproduct of spoiled vegetation.
Don’t let the VT Miami replay officials decide who has possession
Ben is tucked behind the corner of the LOW FLYING OWLS sign. Steve's RHS
No he's not! Ben's sitting on the same chair you are!
I forget to look for Ben...i just recently discovered this channel and the little game of hiding Ben...does he do it for every episode?
@@hoofarted8709 Yes. Steve moves it to a different location for each video. Sometime obvious, sometimes very difficult.
Ben’s backed up to the LOW FLYING OWLS.
Did he come out crispy golden?
Mornin' Bill
O no a low flying owl steals money from a teenager
Return the ball!!!
Is it too late for an assault charge?
Plenty of time.
So it's theft.
Grand Larceny
Some rock groups will throw guitar picks out to the audience. I have seen fans fight over guitar picks Keith Richards threw. 😂Some people revert back to toddler tantrums when they don't get their way 😂🤣
That's why you wait till the concert is over and the lights come on then you check the floor for picks.
I had a ball wrestled from my hand once, by a woman who nearly broke my arm doing so. She wanted it for her 5 year old at home. It was my 12th birthday. Sadly, my aunt, who hadn't seen the whole thing, made me give it to her over other people's protests. :(
To give you an idea of how long ago this was, Kruk was still a player.
Or go and watch cricket, where you have to throw the ball back
Baseball is one of few sports that let you keep the ball. Football and basketball don't allow it. I think it's good marketing, the fans sure seem to love it.
This young man has a good case, please stay on it and give us a follow up when it happens.
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It's really bad today in Cocke Co, Tn. Say a kind word for those folks. Helene is still causing quite a bit of damage and flooding.
They've been in need of their yearly bath.
Are you saying that with just the ball his claim is baseless?
I'll show myself out...
This stuff just makes me ill. It’s so wrong.
Great Scott!
As long as Riverfront Colloseum existed, my grandpa had season tickets for Reds games. If there was a left-handed batter, we were on TV. The only person in my family that caught a foul ball in those seats was my dad, before I was born. Every now and then, a player from the opposing team would toss a ball to the kids as they entered their dugout.
Saw the video. He ABSOLUTELY stole that ball!
How do they know the ball being auctioned is the same one that was caught in the stands?
MLB had all the balls stamped with an authenticated hologram that night. They can tell if it's the real thing or not.
Balls like this are often certified by MLB for this very reason. No one is going to drop 4 million on a ball unless they know its the real deal
They put serial numbers and other markings on potentially historical balls. Most of the markings can only be seen with a UV light
@@N1ghtF1reAnd why do all that stuff ? Because forging sports artifacts has a history as long as sports itself...
What is the world coming to? Ever sìnce I was a child my grandfather would take me to a baseball game at Briggs- Tiger stadium and if you caught a ball it was your balĺ. You big bragging rights when you met with your friends. I guess that's why you get a Tiger souvenir mini bat before the game now. Today there a persons in the stands who lay in wait for a kid to catch a ball and they take it from him. If they did that to me when I was 8-12 I would have proof because I would have used my only defense I would have bit him and he would still have a scar. If you caught the ball it's your ball to keep or sell. The person that took the ball from the birthday boys hand should have been given a stadium step ride. Where are the Karen's and kens when you need one???...
To pay that much for any baseball is just plain stupid.After is it all said and done it is still just a baseball.
It has rarity, which increases the demand, and therefore monetary value. The amount may seem too high to you, but that just depends on whether the person buying it is well-informed or misinformed of the market.
@litigioussociety4249 still just a ball 😂
This is a historic sports relic that some people value. Modern art is much, much worse. Look at Twombly's 'Untitled'.
@@litigioussociety4249 the problem is money is becoming cheaper and cheaper.
So those with more money would rather put it into "useless" items than earn a marginal return on that money. This drives up the price of worthless "collectables" in price beyond comprehension disproportionate to historical averages of the same types of "collectables."
Tl:dr cheap money makes worthless shit more pricey.
And the Constitution is just a piece of parchment.
Stike you're out
The facts of the case are these: The plaintiff was assaulted, battered, and was a victim of grand theft baseball.
If you are at a baseball game and the bal lands in your drink which is in you hand, and someone else reaches into your cup and takes the ball legally who does the bal belong too?
It's your drink. Your ball.
The drink company because they own a patent regarding their drink and a ball being knocked into the cup, in the hands of a person, in the stands. /s
@@TheLuceon they don't own the drink once you purchase it
My prediction. Look for MLB to claim that baseballs are property of the League and fans will be forced to return the ball to the owners.
Other sitters do that but baseball has learned the marketing benefits of letting fans keep the balls.
Keep us updated
Gm
Just wait until the IRS gets involved and wants their cut 🙄
Party poop! But you are correct.
If its true on top of him getting the ball back the person who took it should be charge with strong arm robbery and grand theft.
I sat in the bleachers at the old Tiger Stadium. I have family from Detroit.
I just watched a video of this and it does look like the ball got ripped out of his hand and people were heard saying give the ball back. It’s his ball.
I don't think the 18 yr old had the ball, but that is just my opinion.
If I was the judge on the lawsuit and could not determine who had the ball, I would have the ball go to auction and the proceeds be shared equally between the two, once all the auction fees and legal fees are paid using the funds from the sale.
This is what happens at baseball games. The only reason anyone cares is because Ohtani. Moving on.
"Value" What would you pay for a 500 gram piece of carbon called a "diamond"? Anything is "worth" what a willing buyer will to pay for it. People pay $billions annually in the US for popular music and more $billions equivalent, worldwide, for a byproduct of spoiled vegetation.
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"Florida law defines battery as intentionally touching or striking someone without their consent, or intentionally causing bodily harm to another person. Battery is a first-degree misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail and a $1,000 fine. However, there are several circumstances where the charge can be upgraded to a felony...."
Broke my heart when that little kid caught a foul ball, right on the TV camera, and some POS grabbed it away from him.
There are good people left, though. Just saw a video where an intoxicated gentleman at Disney was verbally abusing a young woman with Down's Syndrome, and was immediately pounced on and beaten by angry onlookers.
IF the ball was indeed Ripped out of the hand of the 18 year old, wouldn’t that be something that could result in a Felony Burglary Charge??
(I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve watched a lot of “Lehto’s Law”)
PLEASE keep this updated! And I agree, the ball should be given to the birthday "boy!"
Personally i feel like the mlb and the player himself can also get involved in the lawsuit if they felt like as they would have higher rights to the ball but it may hurt them that they let people take the ball for themselves. Be interesting either way
its clear to me that the kid should have been ARMED when the ROBBER STOLE FROM HIM!
Those guys obviously STOLE the ball from the kid. They should be forced to give it back, and be charged with grand theft.
Ironically this court case will increase the baseball’s value. Given that there is going to be a court ruling on definitive ownership increasing the province of the item.
Have the umps been called in for a ruling?
If there's video of this, the scumbag who did it needs to be charged with assault and robbery of the appraised value of the ball. Not that I expect the justice system to actually work for the innocent or anything.
Its like Frank Barone pushing a kid out of the way at the Hofstra University football game to catch the record game winning 68 yard field goal and then wanting to sell it to the college to give to the kicker. Lol
If you catch it and get mugged I would call that stolen. People don't do that to 99% of baseballs because they aren't worth anything.
Reminds me of the very first case in my very first class as a 1L: the property law case of Pierson v. Post (who owned the chased wild fox) … the first person to take control & possess has the ownership rights.
Wouldn't this be conversion according to the letter of the law? It really sounds like someone stole something that belongs to someone else and is now attempting to convert it into cash. That's the civil side of it. But whether or not this kid's injunction is granted, where are the criminal charges against the alleged thief? Since we know that civil and criminal have two different standards of proof, why not let a jury decide on both. Obviously grant the injunction in the meantime if its warranted. But the buck should not stop there. Also, the person(s) responsible should be banned from attending future games. Anyone who wants to make excuses for them can join them at the sports bar because there should be no place for people like that amongst fans who know how to behave themselves in public. It just ruins the experience for everyone.
I'll be honest, if you could steal a small object from a child and get life changing money most people would do it.
He won't win. The video is either inconclusive or disproves his case. What I see is the teen standing upright with a man to his right on his knees obviously with the ball between his legs. Perhaps not in his grasp but obviously trapped. The teen then reaches down between the man's knees blindly grasping for the ball. I don't see the ball until the man stands up with it in his hand. The teen didn't go after it like the others and simply saw an easy opportunity for an easy snatch. Not once do you see the teen with the ball or even a clear opportunity for him to actually have the ball.
If this kid had the ball and it taken from him the guys involved should be banned for life from all attending Baseball games.
the dude clearly stole the ball from this young man and really should be locked up. glad this young man is standing up for themselves
Give the kid the ball back and arrest the older guy for robbery and assault,
Wow Steve, you are so hip in your Moose's Tooth T Shirt. Now you need one from Kaladi Brothers.
Who was the original owner of the ball before it was hit. I wonder at what point they stopped being the owner. Would the ball be considered a gift?
Jomboy had a breakdown on this. It’s pretty clear the kid never had the ball.
Now now steve you might be on to something, i say the strongest get to keep the ball. It'll add excitement to the game you get baseball + mma all in 1 sport
Yeah, but i've seen so many grown adults ripping balls out of kids hands on television.
Hope the 18y/o kid who appears the rightful owner gets the baseball back!
And he should sue the guy that took it from him, for mental anguish etc!
Criminal charges should be brought against the guy that took it too!
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I thought it's a free-for-all at games? Stronger man wins?
Sounds like assault, battery, robbery and felony theft to me.
The judge may need to refer to the definition of a catch in the official baseball rules, and cite case law by Joe West
Simple solution: balls hit into the stands still belong to the team, and must be returned to them. Then there's no reason to resort to robbery to get a ball.
Going to the review official to see if the kid had both feet down when he established control.
I saw the video yesterday, there was no visible evidence that the kid had the ball at all.
We just need football referees in the stands for baseball games.
How would you know if you ever got the actual ball at this point?
Yes Steve, there never be anything like Tiger Stadium again.
Hope he wins. They caught a lady doing the same to a kid.
Seahawks vs Greenbay, tie ball goes to the offense.
The video shows the adult stealing the ball.
The kid had the ball ripped out of his hand. He needs to sue!!!
It looks like he didn't have control of the ball
You send the MMA guys to the ball thief's house
How is it ok to steal bases multiple times but not one little ball?
I have seen similar things happen at baseball games
Slo-mo instant replay, please!
Charge him with assult and theft
Why not show the video?
Steve very rarely shows and video or pictures
Copyright claims and time editing.
I hope we get an update on this story
Darn you should show the video
Possession is 9/10's of the law
The kid should be the winner!
Finders losers /finders weepers .