Since you mentioned the comments making your day, as a note that’s not specific to this video, I hope you know how gratifying and encouraging your videos - and especially your sign-off - can be. “D&D is for everyone” means a great deal. All the best.
Treanty all blushy and stuff with the entire love of his channel community is heart warming. I know you since 3E reading Treantmonk´s blog to learn how to play a batman wizard, and now here we are, i´m feeling proud for being part of this community and happy with your success. You deserve much more for what you´ve done for dnd community as a whole.
Oh boy, another day, another DnD class reveal - so that means another video by Treantmonk! I'm super stoked to have a great video to watch every day - at least while WotC releases all their classes.
Been following your work since 3.5 Chris. You are my most trusted source for d&d information, whether it's mechanics or your attitude towards the game. Thanks so much for all you've done!
I just want to thank you for the insightful videos you are creating in this series. I really value your opinion and look forward to hearing it each time you post. You really deserve a large following. Other RUclipsr’s clearly watch and value your stuff. Thanks for all you do.
@@tiradegrandmarshal What was the problem? The medium armor and weapon proficiency does not really overpower anything the other Martials had. It was the CHA to attack and damage that pushed it past the others. It basically made a 3 level dip for Pallys almost must.
@@neurolancer81If I remember correctly, bladelocks got resource free bonus damage on hit in addition to using their casting mod. It ended up outscaling any martial with only 2 attacks and gave a 3 attack fighter a run for their money. Edit: spelling
@@neurolancer81hexblade was the issue in 2014 as it allowed you to take a 1lvl dip to make you SAD. But in one DND (2024) the issue has been when they were shown in playtest 7 was that bladelock was so stacked it was much stronger than martials, even without a subclass.
I really enjoyed the one-page direct comparison you did at the end of your Druid video… I’d love to see something similar done for all the 2024 classes @TreantmonksTemple
I’ve been using the playtest 7 warlock in our Strahd campaign and this sounds almost identical to that. It’s been great. Having all of your patron spells known is just so incredibly huge.
Well worth the wait. So nice to get a second opinion on the stuff and not just all the hype. Can't really understand how you manage to make and upload these videos in about an hour after the official 👍
I was always hoping for a Pact of the Hex since Pact of the Blade absorbed the blade part of Hexblade. Here's hoping they at least added more hex options in the invocations list.
I have played so many characters with a warlock dip, whether for flavor or mechanics, but I’ve never been able to play a 100% warlock because the mechanics have always fell short. I have always needed something like storm cleric or stone sorcerer to get the robustness and versatility of my intended design. These changes make it sound like I will finally be able to play a pure warlock. Kudos to WOTC on this one.
I have watched this reaction vid SEVERAL times now! LOL! As a Tiefling Warlock, RIDE OR DIE, I am SOOOO excited about the new book! Pls take my money and let me PLAAAAY!
Not picking your subclass at level one does have some small role play opportunities as well. It won't be obvious for your party to know who your sugar daddy is right away, so there's some fun stuff there imo
My big issue is POWER CREEP. The new design seems to based more on Theatrics and flavor. We all know that levels 8+ are where the real fun starts. Get new powers, new tools to get in/out of situations. Then by level 15+ the characters start becoming 4-5 walking Demi-Gods. We won't know until we play, but it seems that the walking Demi-God mode may start sooner. (Level 10)
@@brannenpfister2579 I hope so. These updates don't work with the current Monster Manual and CR ratings. We shall see. I'm cynical, and don't have complete faith in WOTC.
Generally a fan, and while I am glad that we can still have melee warlocks, it does feel weird to hear "we put subclasses universally at 3rd level for more balanced earlygame progression and to curb multiclassing" then amde the new pact of the blade, even tuned down form the playtests, if you told a lot of dnd players "all subclasses at 3rd" "ah so no hexblade dip" would be one of their first thoughts balance wise
I could definitely see this becoming very strong and with nerf to paladin, the threshold to be as good or better has been lowered so much. If warlock gained the haste spell I would certainly head for fighter. Considering the subclasses though I could see eldritch knights new features synergizing with warlock. Especially if pact of the blade still gets the level 11 extra extra attack invocation. It'll be a very spicy 🌶🌶🌶🔥multiclass that'll ?''outshine''? everyone else. I would be drawn to celestial for the extra hp sustain and because I don't like being dependent on others in case they fail/RNG has gained a sense of humor and wants to prank you. It's all about the redundancies, so I won't be THE HEALER, I will be sure to have at least some healing/sustain options.
I’m hoping you can’t agonising blast level one. It’ll disincentivise the 1 level dip for a lot of classes. Paladins and several other martials may still want a 1 level dip for blade pact. I really wish eldritch blast scaled with warlock level, it’d create so much more incentive to continue with warock
How I view the lvl 3 requirement for sub classes, you are just not strong enough to handle the power upgrade that the subclasses grant you. Just some head cannon flavor I thought about
Would you say that the peace and twilight cleric are still overturned compared to the new subclasses in the PHB? Bc I wonder if the new subclasses were intentionally made more powerful so that they would work with the new system better.
? Question: did the Tashas Feat Eldrich adapt roll into the new book or something like it? Pact of the tome has not pre-rec. Could this be taken as a better ritual caster? I know you're limited answers when you can...
My only gripe is so mild but I miss the old pact of the blades ability to just magically appear in your hand. Now it looks like either you can’t or it costs a bonus action which is rough
I'm...not all that bothered - there's some improvement sure, but if you're not going to give us more spell slots then we needed more cantrips - Warlock works by laying down Concentration area of effect spells then slinging cantrips (with or without blade action!). This is also why I'm not hugely thrilled by the Pact of the Fey - while thematically it's still great, it relies on spell slots that aren't there to waste - great! you can misty step with cool extras at later levels when you cast Enchantment or Illusion spells? But how often are you wasting a precious spell slot on one of those? Certainly a few Illusion spells, ok yes, but it's not nearly as strong as it sounds at first. What's going to happen is we'll end up chasing Feats (everyone gets a Background feat now, the temptation will be to take Variant Human to get an extra feat there) to get more spells that way (as if we don't already). Making the Pact boons Invocations is interesting, and part of me feels avaricious and wants to collect them all...but another part of me feels that it muddies the theming...maybe I'm just being awkward there. I do think that Improved Pact Weapon should be a part of Pact of the Blade, Book of Ancient Secrets should be a part of the Pact of the Tome, and Investment of the Chain Master part of Pact of the Tome (or the Invocations they will become) and I don't think they are. The whole buying back of Invocation uses worries me - it's not like we have much to trade, unless we're to be given something like Sorcery Points for the purpose, in which case, yay! Finally, so bored of this idea that "Oh! Celestial! Must be all sweetness and light and want to heal!" - Even if this was a Christian setting this wouldn't be the case, but this ISN'T a Christian setting. When I built my Celestial Pact of the Tome Warlock I had to swap out most of the spells to make it fit - which is fine, that's how the game works...but how about some imagination so I don't always have to Homebrew my characters, even though I'm not going out of the bounds of the original remit? My husband thought I might be bothered that as a Hexblade (currently) I wouldn't get Weapon Mastery, but I'm cool with that - I'm happy to train and take feats to improve my fighting, maybe take a dip into Fighter - Hexblade already gets a lot, Weapon Mastery is intended to help non-magical martials gain parity - it's all good.
It was the only PHB familiar that was practical in combat. Not that using a familiar for combat was optimal in my opinion, but that is likely what was driving that change. edit: I meant with the standard Find Familiar. The Pack of the Chain familiars were always able to be used in combat. Still not necessarily the best usage of a familiar, but it was there.
Arch fey can cast Misty step after casting an enchantment or illusion spell. If the 2014 rule about only casting a cantrip if you’ve cast a leveled spell remains intact then this combo is only possible with enchantment or illusion cantrips. Any insight if this rule remains in 2024 PH?
I've seen some stuff that worries me about the warlock, and not a lot else so far... I tuned in to a livestream for a bit but didnt have time to properly watch it... I was recommended your channel by a friend I play with, and just finished your rogue video (this one apparently came out approximately 2 minutes after I started that video...) Im very curious what you've got to say, and I'm curious, do you know how these new class and subclass versions will interact with DDB? I've heard conflicting reports.
@@TreantmonksTemple alright, thanks for the response! I do hope that you arent forced into using the new stuff as that may interfere with certain balancing and such... not that the games I run or play in are balanced anyways butttttttttttt lol
Chris is the best analyzer and my #1 D&D youtube channel creator. Really glad he chose deep dive each class for us and always look forward to the next video!
At this point, i dont even check their videos. Whenever they come out, i just think "when will Chris react to this". Love your breakdowns. What is like trying your best to keep your lips sealed when you want them to talk about something but they don't?
Exactly. The scripted, prerecorded banter between todd and jeremy is way too corporate for me, and since it's prerecorded and approved by the board first feeling, it's like a scripted sitcom. I'd describe it as a laugh-can comedy sitcom
@@imthestein I'm currently playing a Hexblade that is a 'We' - she came across a sentient sword that wanted out - they made a deal - it experiences the world in her body and she has some very cool abilities in order to right the wrongs she feels need sorting (really short version!). Sometimes Mabel talks as I, but more often Mabel Scathnach speak as 'we' and it's great fun.
@@bettanysapothecary see!? That's what I'm talking about! I want that! Give me the ancient tome that whispers evil things to me but it's the source of my power
I lucked out. I started watching the DnD official video, but stopped to check if Treantmonk had posted this video and caught it 16 seconds after he posted it! ❤❤❤
It's a sad loss but not surprising - warlock was overly multiclassed, and having flexible main stats would make it even more likely for that to happen.
I'm honestly just going to have it as a homebrew rule in my campaign. The flavour of an INT or WIS Warlock is so cool to me flavour wise that it's just worth it
I'm glad they have made some attempts to scale back the Pact of the Blade features from the Playtest. A Warlock should be close enough to Martials to be strong, but not necessarily outshine the Martials. Though, I guess part of that depends on how the Ranger faired in the revisions.
One thing to point out, if it's similar to playtest, is that they only really get one extra invocation. The Pact Boons now being an invocation essentially means they were like an invocation before and the invocation number in the playtest only amounted to 2 more before pact boon. This is obviously better, but it wasn't a lot more invocations like Jeremy always seems to say in the videos.
@@Siennarchist Agreed. I think it's a better design. Just think Crawford over sells how many new ones they get every time I watch him in a video talking about Warlock.
@@_emory hell yeah! Im a super fan of the 3.5e class, and also its version for 4e, but also wished it mixed with a "normal" patron and we kinda have this now
GOOblade is going to be horrendous for DMs, Hex to give Dis on Wis saves, have a friend Hold it, then Pact of the Blade + Smite for massive nova damage.
@@yuvalgabay1023 I played a necromancer named Greg! Back in pathfinder 1e, Eustace Gregory Mordethan. Fun edgy character from my teenage years, held back a bit by our LG paladin
@@dzikdziki2983 think of it like how the 2014 phb explains paladins. You still go into level 1 gameplay knowing what you you want but you don't actually get a unique feature for that choice until level 3
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Though, I do also like the potential of playing a character that doesn't know where their power comes from and gradually learning more about their Patron.
Chris is a machine! Thank you so much for your reviews. I’ve never been more excited about DnD in my entire life, and your videos are really helping to ease the anticipation anxiety.
I'm so invested in learning more about Pact of the Blade - I really hope they go ahead and authorize someone to make a Warlock Preview of some kind on one of the chosen RUclips channels for early content access... I need to know where we're standing compared to that last playtest...
@@TreantmonksTemple Would it be appropriate to ask you your opinion SPECIFICALLY on Pact of the Blade? Obviously you cannot share anything, but just merely if you personally think fans of Blade Warlocks will feel strong and fun? Or is it a better idea to look at other parts of the class for a fun+strong experience?
@@bukharagunboat8466 Untrue; the sentence "or create a bond with a magic weapon you touch" is right there in Playtest 7's text. To my knowledge, that was the final draft of Warlock before the book.
9:56 THIS! I am so tired of people being so angry about not getting a patron at lvl 1, or a Domain at lvl 1. You are in that domain and have that patron! They just need tovsee if you are worthy instead of giving you true power out of the gate. Still wished they did universal leveling tho...
Yep there's a seletion process to stuff. A patron needs leverage/to find the best/most attractive way to lure/bind you to him. Giving you some power and having you walk away would be terrible for them. This type of abu$e is supposed to be an art form and so it takes time, set up and preparation for -scam- uh uhm I mean pact offer to take effect. 😉🤣🤣😈🤑😁
Regarding the patron at level three, I know we've all covered the idea that you might HAVE a patron, but it's at level 3 that you gain those new powers from them ... but I also have an idea of a warlock who is sort of experimenting with the occult, and figured out a few bits of warlock power, and then at third level you truly do make a pact with a new patron who offers to literally level up your abilities.
This is how I imagined it working as well. Like a hedge witch practicing or learning some basic hexes or ritual eventually leading to an Archery patron, or an occultist learning how to summon eventually gets a Fiend or GOO patron.
The 2024 PHB explicitly states that 3rd level is the ideal starting point for a group thats ever played before, I think that philiosophy is driving a lot of balance changes
I do kind of like that. The first time occultist, shopping around at all the dark magic dealerships, promising he'll walk and get a better deal across town
Warlock is always a class I loved thematically, but thought they were mechanically weak. With all these changes, I really want to finally make the GOOlock of my dreams. These changes rock.
Warlock feels even more like 2 half casters fused together, not that that is a bad thing, in fact it's very thematic you get the power of the warlock and the power of the patron.
If the Invocations are now available at level 1 sounds like it further incentivised taking tiny dips in warlock, which is something many folks have been complaining about forever... Even more so if the Feat to get that one invocation you really want hasn't been changed in wording, as any prerequisite means you must be a warlock...
@@jimmyredd It is never about a single specific option, its how front loaded the class/subclass or how terrible the scaling to higher class levels is (sometimes both), as that leads to lots of small dips. And this sounds like it is going to put more good reasons to grab a tiny number of warlock levels. Obviously as I don't have anything but the hints here and there and playtest info to judge by I don't know how big a draw this will be - But Chris liked the original comment...
I was thinking the same. There are several builds that depend on the Pact Boon, and moving that to 1st Level may mean that some of them don't need as many levels in Warlock. My instinct is that the extra cantrips that come with Pact of the Tome will be very tempting. If the playtest changes hold a Whispers Bard stacking Psychic Blades with Shillelagh and Truestrike will be quite powerful. Adding a couple of levels of Paladin to that might be a little much...
And let us not forget that subclass no longer joins that dip. Without that front load, dip might be less juicy even if you can add some bonus cantrips or a shovel.
I don't think Repelling Blast would set off the secondary Booming Blade effect just as pushing someone doesn't activate it, either. I believe the target must use its move action to activate the secondary damage.
@G-Blockster its still pretty good in that you get a hit, and if they want to hit back they have to move and proc the BB damage. It's kiting without having to disengage.
@@G-Blockster It does not work either if you use "Command" or "Geas" (anything that directly affect their choices). -> The best way is to make them dumb (from simple mundane alcohol, to arcane Feeblemind ), so their "A.I." fails to realize the "error of their ways" (any "way", they should NOT move!).
basic warlock build: elf celestial patron, cast aid at the highest level possible on party members (maybe even twice to get everyone) 1h before everyone else wakes up, take a short rest and everyone is ready to go with a lot more hitpoints for most of the day
@lukesandadordoceu4835 I imagine it's more so people were getting confused between temporary hit points and a temporary increase to your hitpoints, so they've decided to at least try to streamline it in the playtests by having it just be Temporary Hitpoints and change features that gave extra maximum HP into temp hp.
Just want to thank you so much for being such an amazing resource to this community. I wish they'd take the gag off you and let you discuss all the stuff they miss; as a result, a lot of response to the new classes is more negative than it needs to be, especially since they're not allowing people like you to speak freely on what all the changes really are. Its maddening. I'm tempted to post a video about it.
Do you think the wizard will be any good? I thought the create magic was very iconic to the wizard but they seem to not want to put that in. With the loss of some wizard abilities going to only sorcerer in 2014 and the terrible subclasses I felt the wizard just wasn't as interesting and now with warlock changes and probably sorcerer changes i feel the wizard is going to need a lot more than just" well it has 5 more spells that it can have than sorcerer". The wizard subclasses either felt like they didn't do anything or just didn't fulfill any theme/fantasy very well. Especially with concentration in the mix there is no point to have more spells you could cast when you cant because you are concentrating. Having 80% of your spell list behind a concentration wall is ridiculous. When i make a wizard i just disable concentration spells pick out the ones I want then I look at the rest of the spell list and I'm like ,ok which 2-3 spells do I want from here. This made it feel like we went from having 100+ spells to like 15. If the wizard doesn't get massive changes they will just be a sorcerer without class features...
Friday can't come fast enough. I need to see where the ranger landed. When I saw the BG3 updates for the GoO and other subclasses, I knew that what we'd get would be serious overhauls. Admittedly, I was already using the BG3 fixes in my home games.
So out of curiosity Chris. If WotC gave you approval to make a video discussing in detail one of the classes from the new PHB, where you could talk about anything, nothing was under an NDA, but you could only pick one class. Which class would you pick and why?
I only have one big question, which will determine whether I like it: is Eldritch Adept a 1st level feat? If I can get Pact of the Blade on my rogue or Pact of the Blade or Tome on my fighter from level 1, that will literally fix one of my biggest annoyances with 5e, that being the unavailability of pact boons to other classes. Gone will be the days of my compulsory 3 level dips in warlock.
I am hearing so many abilities sound good, however unless they change how temp hit points stack(or don’t); having everyone get or give temp hp just reduces value of them. Like casting aid on a shape shifted Druid is worthless. Or shape shifting if someone gave temps, “lose” some of the benifit of shifting. Already having issues in 2014 with my hobgoblin help, with the artificer temp hit points, add an inspiring leader, Druid, cleric, and warlock, all there abilities become much much less useful, as can only benefit from one. Having an ability is cool, but never having it really help feels worse then not having it. In away seems like advantage will be the same, so easy to get it devalues it, but really concerned with temp hit points.
I actually enjoyed the celestial warlock and I ended up being the party's healer. Did not have any expectations going in, I just wanted something different.
18:22 he mentions Repelling blast working for Ray of Frost. Repelling blast was the only invocation still hard tied to EB in PT7. Is this confirmation that it no longer is as well?
Chris, your engaging content breakdowns make my day! Please keep covering the information as it comes up. My friend group has already jumped on the 2024 D&D revision bandwagon :D
I’m definitely quite excited to try my hand at making my Warlock Tank build that I’ve been playing in 5e and BG3, and I’m very excited to see if it’s still possible and if the effectiveness has improved or worsened. (For anyone wondering, Fiendish Vigor, Armour of Agathys, Protection from Evil and Good, Blur, etc. are all useful tools for making your Warlock more survivable, and you can use Booming Blade, Spirit Shroud, and potentially some other Eldritch Blast + pulling shenanigans to substitute taunt effects. Not overly amazing in power, but certainly the constant Temps from Fiendish Vigor every turn can keep you alive if you need it.)
Since you mentioned the comments making your day, as a note that’s not specific to this video, I hope you know how gratifying and encouraging your videos - and especially your sign-off - can be. “D&D is for everyone” means a great deal. All the best.
Thank you!
It really is a great sign off!
Treanty all blushy and stuff with the entire love of his channel community is heart warming. I know you since 3E reading Treantmonk´s blog to learn how to play a batman wizard, and now here we are, i´m feeling proud for being part of this community and happy with your success. You deserve much more for what you´ve done for dnd community as a whole.
Oh boy, another day, another DnD class reveal - so that means another video by Treantmonk!
I'm super stoked to have a great video to watch every day - at least while WotC releases all their classes.
Been following your work since 3.5 Chris. You are my most trusted source for d&d information, whether it's mechanics or your attitude towards the game. Thanks so much for all you've done!
I just want to thank you for the insightful videos you are creating in this series. I really value your opinion and look forward to hearing it each time you post. You really deserve a large following. Other RUclipsr’s clearly watch and value your stuff. Thanks for all you do.
I listen to these at work in the morning, always fun to hear what you opinions are! Im glad these videos are doing well also
I really wanted to know if Pact of The Blade is still threatening martial identity, but I’m hopeful with the non-answers that Chris has given
Did he not say that we will be using a casting stat for attack?
@@neurolancer81 That was not the problem, though.
@@tiradegrandmarshal What was the problem? The medium armor and weapon proficiency does not really overpower anything the other Martials had. It was the CHA to attack and damage that pushed it past the others. It basically made a 3 level dip for Pallys almost must.
@@neurolancer81If I remember correctly, bladelocks got resource free bonus damage on hit in addition to using their casting mod. It ended up outscaling any martial with only 2 attacks and gave a 3 attack fighter a run for their money.
Edit: spelling
@@neurolancer81hexblade was the issue in 2014 as it allowed you to take a 1lvl dip to make you SAD. But in one DND (2024) the issue has been when they were shown in playtest 7 was that bladelock was so stacked it was much stronger than martials, even without a subclass.
I really enjoyed the one-page direct comparison you did at the end of your Druid video… I’d love to see something similar done for all the 2024 classes @TreantmonksTemple
The best aspect of the warlock changes was Chris' excitement. 😂
Excited to see this reveal. Even more excited for your thoughts!
I’ve been using the playtest 7 warlock in our Strahd campaign and this sounds almost identical to that. It’s been great. Having all of your patron spells known is just so incredibly huge.
I'm just glad it's not simply a reprint of exactly what was in the playtest.
Always great to hear your thoughts!
Thank you so much for your breakdowns 😊 highly appreciate them!!
Well worth the wait. So nice to get a second opinion on the stuff and not just all the hype. Can't really understand how you manage to make and upload these videos in about an hour after the official 👍
I was always hoping for a Pact of the Hex since Pact of the Blade absorbed the blade part of Hexblade. Here's hoping they at least added more hex options in the invocations list.
I have played so many characters with a warlock dip, whether for flavor or mechanics, but I’ve never been able to play a 100% warlock because the mechanics have always fell short. I have always needed something like storm cleric or stone sorcerer to get the robustness and versatility of my intended design.
These changes make it sound like I will finally be able to play a pure warlock. Kudos to WOTC on this one.
I have watched this reaction vid SEVERAL times now! LOL!
As a Tiefling Warlock, RIDE OR DIE, I am SOOOO excited about the new book!
Pls take my money and let me PLAAAAY!
Ooo, I've been wa ting to hear how they do rite by warlocks. I've been a big fan of warlocks.
31:31 BLINK TWICE IF THEY NIXED THE BONUS ACTION SPELLCASTING RESTRICTION!!! 😃😃😃
Not picking your subclass at level one does have some small role play opportunities as well. It won't be obvious for your party to know who your sugar daddy is right away, so there's some fun stuff there imo
Might be one of the classes I’m most excited to play in the new PHB
My big issue is POWER CREEP. The new design seems to based more on Theatrics and flavor. We all know that levels 8+ are where the real fun starts. Get new powers, new tools to get in/out of situations. Then by level 15+ the characters start becoming 4-5 walking Demi-Gods. We won't know until we play, but it seems that the walking Demi-God mode may start sooner. (Level 10)
I agree. I hope they’ve buffed the monsters enough.
I’m sure most DMs will homebrew accordingly regardless. Shouldn’t be a problem.
@@brannenpfister2579 I hope so. These updates don't work with the current Monster Manual and CR ratings. We shall see. I'm cynical, and don't have complete faith in WOTC.
I'll still allow an INT based warlock. I like the idea of a GOO/occult investigator type character
Nightcrawler welcome to dnd
Wish they told us more about which invocations are coming but I guess I'll have to wait
35:50 appropriate that warlocks get in trouble because they didn't read carefully
Kind comment: We love you, Chris! You’re awesome, man. 😊
Generally a fan, and while I am glad that we can still have melee warlocks, it does feel weird to hear "we put subclasses universally at 3rd level for more balanced earlygame progression and to curb multiclassing" then amde the new pact of the blade, even tuned down form the playtests, if you told a lot of dnd players "all subclasses at 3rd" "ah so no hexblade dip" would be one of their first thoughts balance wise
Boons being an invocation means i can finally use my book of shadows as a magic sword sheath lol yay
Fighter / warlock now its just better paladin
I could definitely see this becoming very strong and with nerf to paladin, the threshold to be as good or better has been lowered so much. If warlock gained the haste spell I would certainly head for fighter. Considering the subclasses though I could see eldritch knights new features synergizing with warlock. Especially if pact of the blade still gets the level 11 extra extra attack invocation. It'll be a very spicy 🌶🌶🌶🔥multiclass that'll ?''outshine''? everyone else. I would be drawn to celestial for the extra hp sustain and because I don't like being dependent on others in case they fail/RNG has gained a sense of humor and wants to prank you. It's all about the redundancies, so I won't be THE HEALER, I will be sure to have at least some healing/sustain options.
@@jugglejunk healing light to bring back cleric, and use bomming blade with eldritch smite, and extra attack. Truly ELDRITCH KNIGHT
I’m hoping you can’t agonising blast level one. It’ll disincentivise the 1 level dip for a lot of classes. Paladins and several other martials may still want a 1 level dip for blade pact.
I really wish eldritch blast scaled with warlock level, it’d create so much more incentive to continue with warock
How I view the lvl 3 requirement for sub classes, you are just not strong enough to handle the power upgrade that the subclasses grant you. Just some head cannon flavor I thought about
Would you say that the peace and twilight cleric are still overturned compared to the new subclasses in the PHB? Bc I wonder if the new subclasses were intentionally made more powerful so that they would work with the new system better.
? Question: did the Tashas Feat Eldrich adapt roll into the new book or something like it? Pact of the tome has not pre-rec. Could this be taken as a better ritual caster? I know you're limited answers when you can...
Disadvantage on saves? Damn, i might pick up hex now.
My only gripe is so mild but I miss the old pact of the blades ability to just magically appear in your hand. Now it looks like either you can’t or it costs a bonus action which is rough
It took an action to summon the pact blade with the old warlock. A bonus action to summon would be an improvement
Another great time to be here
We did not get a lot of information
We were never going to get a lot with a video of this length.
I really like the new Fey Patron, I always liked the lore around it but the subclass just didn't speak to me. The new one seems much more fun.
I'm...not all that bothered - there's some improvement sure, but if you're not going to give us more spell slots then we needed more cantrips - Warlock works by laying down Concentration area of effect spells then slinging cantrips (with or without blade action!). This is also why I'm not hugely thrilled by the Pact of the Fey - while thematically it's still great, it relies on spell slots that aren't there to waste - great! you can misty step with cool extras at later levels when you cast Enchantment or Illusion spells? But how often are you wasting a precious spell slot on one of those? Certainly a few Illusion spells, ok yes, but it's not nearly as strong as it sounds at first.
What's going to happen is we'll end up chasing Feats (everyone gets a Background feat now, the temptation will be to take Variant Human to get an extra feat there) to get more spells that way (as if we don't already).
Making the Pact boons Invocations is interesting, and part of me feels avaricious and wants to collect them all...but another part of me feels that it muddies the theming...maybe I'm just being awkward there.
I do think that Improved Pact Weapon should be a part of Pact of the Blade, Book of Ancient Secrets should be a part of the Pact of the Tome, and Investment of the Chain Master part of Pact of the Tome (or the Invocations they will become) and I don't think they are.
The whole buying back of Invocation uses worries me - it's not like we have much to trade, unless we're to be given something like Sorcery Points for the purpose, in which case, yay!
Finally, so bored of this idea that "Oh! Celestial! Must be all sweetness and light and want to heal!" - Even if this was a Christian setting this wouldn't be the case, but this ISN'T a Christian setting. When I built my Celestial Pact of the Tome Warlock I had to swap out most of the spells to make it fit - which is fine, that's how the game works...but how about some imagination so I don't always have to Homebrew my characters, even though I'm not going out of the bounds of the original remit?
My husband thought I might be bothered that as a Hexblade (currently) I wouldn't get Weapon Mastery, but I'm cool with that - I'm happy to train and take feats to improve my fighting, maybe take a dip into Fighter - Hexblade already gets a lot, Weapon Mastery is intended to help non-magical martials gain parity - it's all good.
Never heard someone say that owl wasn't the best Find Familiar option. Wonder why he thinks Venomous Snakes are the best.
It was the only PHB familiar that was practical in combat. Not that using a familiar for combat was optimal in my opinion, but that is likely what was driving that change.
edit: I meant with the standard Find Familiar. The Pack of the Chain familiars were always able to be used in combat. Still not necessarily the best usage of a familiar, but it was there.
@@brettmajeske3525 Yeah, sorry! Meant among the PHB options.
Arch fey can cast Misty step after casting an enchantment or illusion spell. If the 2014 rule about only casting a cantrip if you’ve cast a leveled spell remains intact then this combo is only possible with enchantment or illusion cantrips. Any insight if this rule remains in 2024 PH?
Was “origin feat” the term for starting feats that you were dancing around trying not to say in a previous video? Is that a new reveal?
I'm guessing so. Some incredible feats should be there like tough, skilled, alert, lucky, musician
Hmmm... Fey patron warlock + aberrant mind sorcerer for psionic spells...
I've seen some stuff that worries me about the warlock, and not a lot else so far... I tuned in to a livestream for a bit but didnt have time to properly watch it... I was recommended your channel by a friend I play with, and just finished your rogue video (this one apparently came out approximately 2 minutes after I started that video...) Im very curious what you've got to say, and I'm curious, do you know how these new class and subclass versions will interact with DDB? I've heard conflicting reports.
I have no idea what will happen with D&D Beyond. I'm as curious about that as you are!
@@TreantmonksTemple alright, thanks for the response! I do hope that you arent forced into using the new stuff as that may interfere with certain balancing and such... not that the games I run or play in are balanced anyways butttttttttttt lol
With the level one goodies, I fear this will remain the Uber-dip
A slaad tadpole? What a missed opportunity to call it a slaadpole
Yeah, slaadly they missed the opportunity
And the world is slaader for it...
Just a lad.
This conversation has really backslaad
I've been saying this for years
Chris is the best analyzer and my #1 D&D youtube channel creator. Really glad he chose deep dive each class for us and always look forward to the next video!
Thank you!
At this point, i dont even check their videos. Whenever they come out, i just think "when will Chris react to this". Love your breakdowns. What is like trying your best to keep your lips sealed when you want them to talk about something but they don't?
I bite my lip only in my imagination now, or it would bleed.
Yeah, same
I'd advice against that, forming ones own opinion is crucial before hearing someone else's. How else do you keep yer brain sharp?
Exactly. The scripted, prerecorded banter between todd and jeremy is way too corporate for me, and since it's prerecorded and approved by the board first feeling, it's like a scripted sitcom. I'd describe it as a laugh-can comedy sitcom
@@masterd4964 Why I don't bother, and like the other commenters, wait.
Warlock is the new Hexblade 😅
Ok but real talk I’d love to see Hexblade redesigned to not be just a melee subclass (I recognize this is likely an unpopular opinion but it is mine)
The best way to make it so the Hexblade dip is no longer THE dip is to make Warlocks not need Hexblade.
@@TreantmonksTemple that's a great point actually. I just really loved having a patron that was a cursed item so that's the part I cared most about
@@imthestein I'm currently playing a Hexblade that is a 'We' - she came across a sentient sword that wanted out - they made a deal - it experiences the world in her body and she has some very cool abilities in order to right the wrongs she feels need sorting (really short version!). Sometimes Mabel talks as I, but more often Mabel Scathnach speak as 'we' and it's great fun.
@@bettanysapothecary see!? That's what I'm talking about! I want that! Give me the ancient tome that whispers evil things to me but it's the source of my power
I lucked out. I started watching the DnD official video, but stopped to check if Treantmonk had posted this video and caught it 16 seconds after he posted it! ❤❤❤
Why not both?
@@20storiesunder Chris goes through the whole thing DnD presents. It would be a redundant to watch both.
Yeah, I just wait to watch this. I can't wait until they let him talk about all of it.
And they called me crazy for saying Warlock is my favorite full casting class.
I have never used a hex blade as a warlock.
While I'm sad that we lost flexible spellcasting modifiers for warlocks. This version still looks like a blast to play.
Would you say it's an Eldritch Blast to play?
It's a sad loss but not surprising - warlock was overly multiclassed, and having flexible main stats would make it even more likely for that to happen.
@wassentme1891 yes... yes I would
@lukenator115 I understand that but thematically, warlock makes the most sense for multi classing due to the "bargain for quick power" trope.
I'm honestly just going to have it as a homebrew rule in my campaign. The flavour of an INT or WIS Warlock is so cool to me flavour wise that it's just worth it
It's probably exhausting for you, but I absolutely loved hearing you say, "I'll talk to you tomorrow." Day after day of Treantmonk is awesome.
I'm glad they have made some attempts to scale back the Pact of the Blade features from the Playtest. A Warlock should be close enough to Martials to be strong, but not necessarily outshine the Martials. Though, I guess part of that depends on how the Ranger faired in the revisions.
Did anyone say if Lifedrinker from UA7 went through?
Woops! I meant Thirsting Blade! Lol! I’m wondering if they still get that extra attack! 😻
One thing to point out, if it's similar to playtest, is that they only really get one extra invocation. The Pact Boons now being an invocation essentially means they were like an invocation before and the invocation number in the playtest only amounted to 2 more before pact boon.
This is obviously better, but it wasn't a lot more invocations like Jeremy always seems to say in the videos.
Yes, the pact boon eats up an invocation now.
@@TreantmonksTemple Oh hey! Thanks for being the best DnD RUclipsr while I have your attention. 😁
That said this assume you take a pact boon. I have played warlocks who would happily give up their pact boon in exchange for another invocation.
@@Siennarchist Agreed. I think it's a better design. Just think Crawford over sells how many new ones they get every time I watch him in a video talking about Warlock.
Im so freaking excited to make a Fey "hexblade", or a "Cthullu Sword" with these new rules.
Also, Warlock preparing spells seems the right decision
Ooooh, GOOblade!
I always wished for Hexblade mechanics without the Hexblade patron
@@_emory hell yeah! Im a super fan of the 3.5e class, and also its version for 4e, but also wished it mixed with a "normal" patron and we kinda have this now
Surely we will be calling them "Feyblades"
GOOblade is going to be horrendous for DMs, Hex to give Dis on Wis saves, have a friend Hold it, then Pact of the Blade + Smite for massive nova damage.
I can’t believe the skeleton familiar went through!!
its kinda wild that a warlock gets a skeleton before a wizard has even figured out if they are a necromancer.
@@dwgautierplease hes has a name. Hes called greg
@@dwgautier warlock superiority
@@yuvalgabay1023 I played a necromancer named Greg! Back in pathfinder 1e, Eustace Gregory Mordethan. Fun edgy character from my teenage years, held back a bit by our LG paladin
@@pederw4900 my second character playing 5e was also an edgy (and pretty cringy) necromancer!(I have an excuse i was 15)
As a player who has almost exclusively played warlock for about 6 years now, these changes are awesome
I'm a warlock lover as well. I hope so
@@dzikdziki2983 You can easily RP your patron from level 1, but only get Subclass Features at level 3.
@@dzikdziki2983 think of it like how the 2014 phb explains paladins. You still go into level 1 gameplay knowing what you you want but you don't actually get a unique feature for that choice until level 3
@@dzikdziki2983 I totally see why you say that
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Though, I do also like the potential of playing a character that doesn't know where their power comes from and gradually learning more about their Patron.
Chris is a machine! Thank you so much for your reviews. I’ve never been more excited about DnD in my entire life, and your videos are really helping to ease the anticipation anxiety.
If reading our comments makes your day, that's because watching your videos makes ours! Keep doing them, we love it!
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Finally! Been refreshing your page for hours now for this video. I’m excited to see what has changed.
I came to say this
Same 😂
Same!
SAME
@@4_Fox_Sake you and me both fam!
I'm so invested in learning more about Pact of the Blade - I really hope they go ahead and authorize someone to make a Warlock Preview of some kind on one of the chosen RUclips channels for early content access... I need to know where we're standing compared to that last playtest...
That would be great!
If they do it like the playtest it comes with a major nerf - you can't use your own weapon any more.
They have, I saw this one the other day ruclips.net/video/qElkBdNd0nI/видео.html
@@TreantmonksTemple Would it be appropriate to ask you your opinion SPECIFICALLY on Pact of the Blade? Obviously you cannot share anything, but just merely if you personally think fans of Blade Warlocks will feel strong and fun? Or is it a better idea to look at other parts of the class for a fun+strong experience?
@@bukharagunboat8466 Untrue; the sentence "or create a bond with a magic weapon you touch" is right there in Playtest 7's text. To my knowledge, that was the final draft of Warlock before the book.
TreantMonk, I gotta know how you pull off such fast turn around on these react videos. Clearly you got your process down. Keep up the good work!
9:56 THIS! I am so tired of people being so angry about not getting a patron at lvl 1, or a Domain at lvl 1. You are in that domain and have that patron! They just need tovsee if you are worthy instead of giving you true power out of the gate. Still wished they did universal leveling tho...
Yep there's a seletion process to stuff. A patron needs leverage/to find the best/most attractive way to lure/bind you to him. Giving you some power and having you walk away would be terrible for them. This type of abu$e is supposed to be an art form and so it takes time, set up and preparation for -scam- uh uhm I mean pact offer to take effect. 😉🤣🤣😈🤑😁
Flavor text in 2014 Paladin said it best "to this point you were a trainee and now you are ready to fully take your Sacred Oath"
Tutorial levels were never a good idea
Your breakdown of these videos have been an absolute highlight of my days
Thanks so much!
Regarding the patron at level three, I know we've all covered the idea that you might HAVE a patron, but it's at level 3 that you gain those new powers from them ... but I also have an idea of a warlock who is sort of experimenting with the occult, and figured out a few bits of warlock power, and then at third level you truly do make a pact with a new patron who offers to literally level up your abilities.
This is how I imagined it working as well. Like a hedge witch practicing or learning some basic hexes or ritual eventually leading to an Archery patron, or an occultist learning how to summon eventually gets a Fiend or GOO patron.
The 2024 PHB explicitly states that 3rd level is the ideal starting point for a group thats ever played before, I think that philiosophy is driving a lot of balance changes
My headcannon is that all patrons just give Generic Store Brand Warlock Powers to their level 1-2 warlocks
I do kind of like that. The first time occultist, shopping around at all the dark magic dealerships, promising he'll walk and get a better deal across town
Here’s my comment for the algorithm. I appreciate all the hard work you put into these videos.
Thank you!
Warlock is always a class I loved thematically, but thought they were mechanically weak. With all these changes, I really want to finally make the GOOlock of my dreams. These changes rock.
Warlock feels even more like 2 half casters fused together, not that that is a bad thing, in fact it's very thematic you get the power of the warlock and the power of the patron.
If the Invocations are now available at level 1 sounds like it further incentivised taking tiny dips in warlock, which is something many folks have been complaining about forever... Even more so if the Feat to get that one invocation you really want hasn't been changed in wording, as any prerequisite means you must be a warlock...
It seems likely Agonizing Blast is not going to be available at level one. Otherwise no one would take a Pact.
@@jimmyredd It is never about a single specific option, its how front loaded the class/subclass or how terrible the scaling to higher class levels is (sometimes both), as that leads to lots of small dips. And this sounds like it is going to put more good reasons to grab a tiny number of warlock levels.
Obviously as I don't have anything but the hints here and there and playtest info to judge by I don't know how big a draw this will be - But Chris liked the original comment...
@@foldionepapyrus3441 Eliminating Hexblade already goes a long way to cutting down on dips.
I was thinking the same. There are several builds that depend on the Pact Boon, and moving that to 1st Level may mean that some of them don't need as many levels in Warlock. My instinct is that the extra cantrips that come with Pact of the Tome will be very tempting. If the playtest changes hold a Whispers Bard stacking Psychic Blades with Shillelagh and Truestrike will be quite powerful. Adding a couple of levels of Paladin to that might be a little much...
And let us not forget that subclass no longer joins that dip. Without that front load, dip might be less juicy even if you can add some bonus cantrips or a shovel.
Repelling blast Booming Blade as an option? Oh dear lord that’s going to be terrifying. Why didn’t I consider that during playtesting?
Because in the playtest, repelling blast only applied to Eldritch Blast. Being able to apply it to different cantrips is new!
I don't think Repelling Blast would set off the secondary Booming Blade effect just as pushing someone doesn't activate it, either. I believe the target must use its move action to activate the secondary damage.
@G-Blockster its still pretty good in that you get a hit, and if they want to hit back they have to move and proc the BB damage. It's kiting without having to disengage.
@G-Blockster if the target gets pushed away from you it now has to move on its own to attack you again
@@G-Blockster It does not work either if you use "Command" or "Geas" (anything that directly affect their choices).
-> The best way is to make them dumb (from simple mundane alcohol, to arcane Feeblemind ), so their "A.I." fails to realize the "error of their ways" (any "way", they should NOT move!).
basic warlock build: elf celestial patron, cast aid at the highest level possible on party members (maybe even twice to get everyone) 1h before everyone else wakes up, take a short rest and everyone is ready to go with a lot more hitpoints for most of the day
That's a whole lot of HP!
I think the new aid spell is temporary hit points instead of increasing the normal hp
@kongoaurius yes, at least that's how it was in the playtest
@@kongoaurius oh, I didn't remember that, but I remember hating this change. Maybe this combo is a reason for them having changed it
@lukesandadordoceu4835 I imagine it's more so people were getting confused between temporary hit points and a temporary increase to your hitpoints, so they've decided to at least try to streamline it in the playtests by having it just be Temporary Hitpoints and change features that gave extra maximum HP into temp hp.
Best place to watch the reviews!
Warlock is looking amazing btw
It's very tasty indeed
Waited the extra hour for this instead of watching the official one!
You are the reason I came back to DnD after a decade without playing.
Me too! Two decades.
There’s also a ton of monsters in Monsters of the Multiverse that lost their resistance to nonmagical attacks
Just want to thank you so much for being such an amazing resource to this community. I wish they'd take the gag off you and let you discuss all the stuff they miss; as a result, a lot of response to the new classes is more negative than it needs to be, especially since they're not allowing people like you to speak freely on what all the changes really are. Its maddening.
I'm tempted to post a video about it.
I am very worried that the warlock will make a better fighter or monk then their respective classes will be
Do you think the wizard will be any good? I thought the create magic was very iconic to the wizard but they seem to not want to put that in. With the loss of some wizard abilities going to only sorcerer in 2014 and the terrible subclasses I felt the wizard just wasn't as interesting and now with warlock changes and probably sorcerer changes i feel the wizard is going to need a lot more than just" well it has 5 more spells that it can have than sorcerer". The wizard subclasses either felt like they didn't do anything or just didn't fulfill any theme/fantasy very well. Especially with concentration in the mix there is no point to have more spells you could cast when you cant because you are concentrating. Having 80% of your spell list behind a concentration wall is ridiculous. When i make a wizard i just disable concentration spells pick out the ones I want then I look at the rest of the spell list and I'm like ,ok which 2-3 spells do I want from here. This made it feel like we went from having 100+ spells to like 15. If the wizard doesn't get massive changes they will just be a sorcerer without class features...
Friday can't come fast enough. I need to see where the ranger landed.
When I saw the BG3 updates for the GoO and other subclasses, I knew that what we'd get would be serious overhauls. Admittedly, I was already using the BG3 fixes in my home games.
The new Archfey warlock with the new option to have a chat with your patron is going to be a blast to play and to rp. I really look forward to that.
Was very smart for them to include these on the relevant classes. In warlocks it's even better because you auto success the saving throw.
The barely contained-glee in Chris' voice is wonderful!
There's some great customizability with the warlock especially now.
Loving these reviews as someone who couldn’t keep up with ALL the playtest releases. Thanks for being so quick too!
Your videos are countless times better than the originals being covered. Much love and please never stop.
Leaving a comment to encourage you to keep on keepin on
Will do!
I wanna play a Celestial Warlock with a Sphinx of Wonders familiar. Gonna call it Sphincter. Sphincter the Sphinx.
Make sure he's a pain in the @ss. 🤣🤣
At high levels giving a boss disadvantage on con saves with a Rogue using poison and death strike and a monk using stunning strike can be quite strong
Ooh that's some nice synergy there
nice dude! I was just checking to see if you've uploaded yet.
Thank you, Thank you
I am so excited for the players handbook especially the assassin rogue and the warlock archfey
So out of curiosity Chris. If WotC gave you approval to make a video discussing in detail one of the classes from the new PHB, where you could talk about anything, nothing was under an NDA, but you could only pick one class. Which class would you pick and why?
I only have one big question, which will determine whether I like it: is Eldritch Adept a 1st level feat? If I can get Pact of the Blade on my rogue or Pact of the Blade or Tome on my fighter from level 1, that will literally fix one of my biggest annoyances with 5e, that being the unavailability of pact boons to other classes.
Gone will be the days of my compulsory 3 level dips in warlock.
I am hearing so many abilities sound good, however unless they change how temp hit points stack(or don’t); having everyone get or give temp hp just reduces value of them. Like casting aid on a shape shifted Druid is worthless. Or shape shifting if someone gave temps, “lose” some of the benifit of shifting.
Already having issues in 2014 with my hobgoblin help, with the artificer temp hit points, add an inspiring leader, Druid, cleric, and warlock, all there abilities become much much less useful, as can only benefit from one. Having an ability is cool, but never having it really help feels worse then not having it.
In away seems like advantage will be the same, so easy to get it devalues it, but really concerned with temp hit points.
I actually enjoyed the celestial warlock and I ended up being the party's healer. Did not have any expectations going in, I just wanted something different.
I've never liked D&D association with fey and teleportation, thematically I liked the more beguiling fey warlock.
Does anyone else get Winnie the Pohh vibes from Jeremy Crawford? Always sounds like he's got honey in his mouth...
Just me? 😅
18:22 he mentions Repelling blast working for Ray of Frost. Repelling blast was the only invocation still hard tied to EB in PT7. Is this confirmation that it no longer is as well?
There was a lot of ❤ love ❤ for treantmonk in the live chat on the official channel and I was only responsible for 1 of the them
Chris, your engaging content breakdowns make my day! Please keep covering the information as it comes up. My friend group has already jumped on the 2024 D&D revision bandwagon :D
I’m definitely quite excited to try my hand at making my Warlock Tank build that I’ve been playing in 5e and BG3, and I’m very excited to see if it’s still possible and if the effectiveness has improved or worsened.
(For anyone wondering, Fiendish Vigor, Armour of Agathys, Protection from Evil and Good, Blur, etc. are all useful tools for making your Warlock more survivable, and you can use Booming Blade, Spirit Shroud, and potentially some other Eldritch Blast + pulling shenanigans to substitute taunt effects. Not overly amazing in power, but certainly the constant Temps from Fiendish Vigor every turn can keep you alive if you need it.)
Warlock is my favorite class, this just a marvelous development