They have good reasons and as you say, they are being upfront about it. It seems the tides are changing with regards to Chinese quality stereotypes though and it wouldn't be surprising to see more brands exploring Chinese options.
The quality is not the problem. You support a totalitarian regime running concentration camps, a propaganda ministry and ambitions to conquer the world. Heard of that before?
Most people aren’t thinking that deep when they make a purchase like this (for better or for worse), but many other countries producing bikes or components also have dubious political motives and/or human rights records, leaving you hard pressed to find any truly guilt free bike.
Yes absolutely! We discussed a lot about their design process and iterations off camera (as you can see some of the test bikes and prototypes in the background of some of the shots) and they've really given their designs a lot of thought.
Really great video (I came here via a post on Reddit)! I’ve been looking for something more compact like this with a platform to replace my Cetma cargo bike. Alas, I’m in the US where cargo bikes are way too fancy or $$$ to import from Europe.
Thanks! Yes it seems a big shame that many cargo bikes that are available in Europe aren't available in the US and vice-versa. Hopefully as the popularity of cargo bikes grow it'll be in the best interest of manufacturers to widen their international distribution networks!
I looked at the price, and its actually very reasonable, when I decide that will save up for a cargo bike, this will be an option that I would seriously consider. I would like to be able to order the cargo box without the seats though, as they would just be wasted because I dont have kids. And a front deraileur on the non electric version would also be great, otherwise its not a real option for hilly terrain, especially when heavily loaded.
For a long john cargo bike of this quality, the price is really great! It'd be cool to be able to save a bit of money and just have the bare box, that's a good idea. I'd imagine that if you live in a hilly area and are carrying heavy cargo often that it'd make sense to go for the electric version, but I certainly understand the appeal of the non-electric one as I also have a non-electric long john cargo bike!
This is great. So many e-bikes which are supposed to tempt people away from using cars are horrendously expensive and filled with expensive to replace (not even repair) unique proprietary parts. I hope this company prospers and becomes a template for other manufacturers, new and existing. And perhaps expand their range if they are successful. Also to indulge in a little rant, I was very disappointed some time ago after watching a video about the R&M Load 75 how limited it's capacity was from my perspective at least. I'm 2 metres tall and about 120 kg. I forget the precise numbers but the weight limit of the bike with me as the rider only allowed approximately another 30 kg of cargo. Less if you're carrying a heavy lock and chain or anything else to eat into that weight limit. I was shocked. I had been hearing for years about these bikes being the "mini vans" of bikes considering you will be paying about €8,000 and upwards for one of those machines. Just to put my consternation in perspective at these weight limits, I have carried over 70 kg of cargo in cheap but strong bike trailers that cost €131 and €105 respectively from Amazon pulled by a €600 hybrid bike with little difficulty. My average cargo weight in my trailers is 30-50 kg. It would not be possible, or at least difficult for me to do a full weekly shopping trip even in an R&M Packster without exceeding the weight limits. But I only need that amount of cargo capacity once a week or less so my cheap trailers are all I need for the foreseeable future. I still love the concept and practicalities of all sorts of cargo bikes but I am also disheartened by their excessive pricing and also limitations in many ways. This video has been inspiring for the future.
I also hope they’re successful and pave the way for lower cost cargo bikes but without compromising on quality, especially with the motor serviceability that they’re promising. I know they have plans for more models in the future - you can even see some of the prototypes and test bikes in the background of some of the shots in the video! Their first batch of bikes sold quickly and they are certainly gaining steam so I hope their success continues. Yes for us heavier folk (I’m at about 105kg at the moment) it’s quite easy to get to the system weight limit for cargo bikes with a big heavy shop or with a load of drinks. In terms of value, I think trailers are very hard to beat and taking the step to getting a cargo bike is certainly a bit of a lifestyle choice. I recognise it’s not for everyone though (especially considering the high cost of entry), and the benefit to using a trailer is that you have a normal bike for when you don’t need to carry anything. I’ve been tempted by trailers in the past, but then I got on a cargo bike and immediately fell in love with them so my fate was sealed I think! Thanks for watching!
Same here! Andi also mentioned that a lot of the current batteries from many of the big brands don't yet conform to these new standards so it looks like we'll see a change across the board soon.
@@RobRidesCargoBikes , i really like to test the SBB cargo long john, the design and idea looks great. the mtb tires on some models look awesome, where can i find this tires? And it is possible to order the bike in green/yellow?
I believe the MTB style tyres are made by Vee Tire Co and are a collaboration project with Super Bicycles so aren't available to the public (yet). They look the same as the kids MTB tyres that Vee do, but they have thicker sidewalls and different casings designed for the heavier cargo usage. I know you can order the bike in yellow, though the green colour in the video isn't on their website currently. You can test ride them from their shop in Berlin (Mollstr. 1), or drop them an email on their website (tell them I sent you!).
There's certainly a lot of advantages to having an internal geared hub setup, especially in the city where bikes get knocked about in bike racks a lot. Maybe they will do one in the future!
@@Manetty6 Ah interesting! I'll have to check back on further iterations and see if they make the update, interesting stuff! What kind of cargo manufacturing are you in (if you can say)?
Where does young people store such huge bike tho? Most of them live in appartments (maybe without an elevator in the 3rd floor i.e.) the idea of a low cost cargo bike is amazing and is the way to go for the future but leave that in neukölln for a couple of hours and you can buy another one for 2800€ and another one …. Cities and appartments are still not safe/suited for bike storage.
The issue you raise is one that affects almost every cargo bike out there. They are bigger, heavier and more expensive than a general city bike and none of that helps when it comes to storage and security, especially in a city. Many apartments have rear yards, some have specific bike rooms and cellars and some at least have bike racks outside that you can lock bikes to. As a last resort, you can always buy extra insurance to cover theft, though it's sad we even have to think that. Compact cargo bikes go some way to helping with some of those issues as they are not too dissimilar in size to a general city bike in many cases, but the fact remains that many apartments are lacking in either secure storage or easy accessibility to easily and safely store a high value cargo bike. Maddy of The Cargobikemomma (instagram.com/cargobikemomma/) has some interesting takes on securing a cargo bike on the streets of New York by covering them with motorcycle covers and trying to hide them in plain sight, so perhaps some of her takes can be implemented in areas with higher levels of bicycle theft also. It's a shame that cargo bike ownership has to be ruled out by some due to the fear of theft or just not having somewhere secure to be able to store a cargo bike. There are other alternatives such as cargo bike hire or bike share schemes (flotte-berlin.de/ being a free one in Berlin as you mentioned Neukölln) which at least give you access to the benefits of cargo bikes.
Designed in Germany, made in Asia, assembled in Europe is a very common way of making bikes! Marketing and copy language will often try to disguise that fact, so I think any brand that openly embraces it and doesn't try to hide anything behind a "heritage", "tradition" or "Headquarters in XYZ Town" should be applauded.
@RobRidesCargoBikes yes the bile looks cool and well thought through out. I wish a had space for long John cargo bike. Best of luck. We definitely need more cargo bikes in the world they should replace much off traffic in cities. I've got long tail (RM) because of storage issue with long John. Best of luck 🤞
@@82majkel Thanks! Long johns do take up a lot of space unfortunately, it seems like the space issue is a big one for those that live in densely populated areas. Yes, I also think that cargo bikes are a big part of the future for urban mobility and I look forward to seeing them being more widely adopted. It’s already starting to happen and it’s great to see! Hope you’re having fun with your long tail!
Service-ability is gonna BE HUGE !! SIMPLE-STRONG-SERVICEABLE = YES YES YES !!
It's certainly a great point over a typical mid-motor setup where the motor is often not serviceable!
❤ I love your Super Bicycles...I want one...Very very nice and its a good idea....
Thanks, glad you like the bikes!
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I changed the series name, don't sue me 😅😅😅😅
Most transparent company. Frames from China - yeah it sucks but it is the way it is! Love the interview
They have good reasons and as you say, they are being upfront about it. It seems the tides are changing with regards to Chinese quality stereotypes though and it wouldn't be surprising to see more brands exploring Chinese options.
The quality is not the problem. You support a totalitarian regime running concentration camps, a propaganda ministry and ambitions to conquer the world. Heard of that before?
Most people aren’t thinking that deep when they make a purchase like this (for better or for worse), but many other countries producing bikes or components also have dubious political motives and/or human rights records, leaving you hard pressed to find any truly guilt free bike.
@@RobRidesCargoBikes I could not agree more, guilt free bikes are sadly usually repurposed old used bikes.
@@vaidotasratkus7619 I bought both of my Bullitts second hand!
Ah looks like so much fun! My wife and I want one of their bikes so much if we can get one in the US
They are a lot of fun! Hope you can find a solution to getting on in the US 🤞🤞
Yeah, I bought a Riese and Müller bakfiet because I could get it in the US. But I wouldn’t mind one of these as well.
A lot of thought went on the design decisions. It looks like a solid cargo bike
Yes absolutely! We discussed a lot about their design process and iterations off camera (as you can see some of the test bikes and prototypes in the background of some of the shots) and they've really given their designs a lot of thought.
Really great video (I came here via a post on Reddit)! I’ve been looking for something more compact like this with a platform to replace my Cetma cargo bike. Alas, I’m in the US where cargo bikes are way too fancy or $$$ to import from Europe.
Thanks! Yes it seems a big shame that many cargo bikes that are available in Europe aren't available in the US and vice-versa. Hopefully as the popularity of cargo bikes grow it'll be in the best interest of manufacturers to widen their international distribution networks!
I looked at the price, and its actually very reasonable, when I decide that will save up for a cargo bike, this will be an option that I would seriously consider.
I would like to be able to order the cargo box without the seats though, as they would just be wasted because I dont have kids.
And a front deraileur on the non electric version would also be great, otherwise its not a real option for hilly terrain, especially when heavily loaded.
For a long john cargo bike of this quality, the price is really great! It'd be cool to be able to save a bit of money and just have the bare box, that's a good idea.
I'd imagine that if you live in a hilly area and are carrying heavy cargo often that it'd make sense to go for the electric version, but I certainly understand the appeal of the non-electric one as I also have a non-electric long john cargo bike!
This is great. So many e-bikes which are supposed to tempt people away from using cars are horrendously expensive and filled with expensive to replace (not even repair) unique proprietary parts.
I hope this company prospers and becomes a template for other manufacturers, new and existing. And perhaps expand their range if they are successful.
Also to indulge in a little rant, I was very disappointed some time ago after watching a video about the R&M Load 75 how limited it's capacity was from my perspective at least.
I'm 2 metres tall and about 120 kg. I forget the precise numbers but the weight limit of the bike with me as the rider only allowed approximately another 30 kg of cargo. Less if you're carrying a heavy lock and chain or anything else to eat into that weight limit.
I was shocked. I had been hearing for years about these bikes being the "mini vans" of bikes considering you will be paying about €8,000 and upwards for one of those machines.
Just to put my consternation in perspective at these weight limits, I have carried over 70 kg of cargo in cheap but strong bike trailers that cost €131 and €105 respectively from Amazon pulled by a €600 hybrid bike with little difficulty. My average cargo weight in my trailers is 30-50 kg.
It would not be possible, or at least difficult for me to do a full weekly shopping trip even in an R&M Packster without exceeding the weight limits.
But I only need that amount of cargo capacity once a week or less so my cheap trailers are all I need for the foreseeable future.
I still love the concept and practicalities of all sorts of cargo bikes but I am also disheartened by their excessive pricing and also limitations in many ways.
This video has been inspiring for the future.
I also hope they’re successful and pave the way for lower cost cargo bikes but without compromising on quality, especially with the motor serviceability that they’re promising. I know they have plans for more models in the future - you can even see some of the prototypes and test bikes in the background of some of the shots in the video! Their first batch of bikes sold quickly and they are certainly gaining steam so I hope their success continues.
Yes for us heavier folk (I’m at about 105kg at the moment) it’s quite easy to get to the system weight limit for cargo bikes with a big heavy shop or with a load of drinks. In terms of value, I think trailers are very hard to beat and taking the step to getting a cargo bike is certainly a bit of a lifestyle choice. I recognise it’s not for everyone though (especially considering the high cost of entry), and the benefit to using a trailer is that you have a normal bike for when you don’t need to carry anything. I’ve been tempted by trailers in the past, but then I got on a cargo bike and immediately fell in love with them so my fate was sealed I think!
Thanks for watching!
Interesting thing with the batteries. Didn't know about that
Same here! Andi also mentioned that a lot of the current batteries from many of the big brands don't yet conform to these new standards so it looks like we'll see a change across the board soon.
Looks so fun! I have a Decathlon Longtail Cargobike and i love it! Long Johns are not so my cup of tea.
That's what I love about cargo bikes, they come in all shapes and sizes and all of them have their uses!
@@RobRidesCargoBikes , i really like to test the SBB cargo long john, the design and idea looks great. the mtb tires on some models look awesome, where can i find this tires? And it is possible to order the bike in green/yellow?
I believe the MTB style tyres are made by Vee Tire Co and are a collaboration project with Super Bicycles so aren't available to the public (yet). They look the same as the kids MTB tyres that Vee do, but they have thicker sidewalls and different casings designed for the heavier cargo usage.
I know you can order the bike in yellow, though the green colour in the video isn't on their website currently. You can test ride them from their shop in Berlin (Mollstr. 1), or drop them an email on their website (tell them I sent you!).
pity it doesn't have an enclosed chain and hub gears
There's certainly a lot of advantages to having an internal geared hub setup, especially in the city where bikes get knocked about in bike racks a lot. Maybe they will do one in the future!
Cooles Rad
Danke! 🙌
Shortly they will have to redesign the rear connection of the steering rod to a tilted 2 pivot.
That's an interesting observation! Why do you think that they'll have to do that?
@@RobRidesCargoBikes it won't handle the load on the long run. Every rod actuated cargo bike end up like that. (I'm also in cargo manufacturing)
@@Manetty6 Ah interesting! I'll have to check back on further iterations and see if they make the update, interesting stuff! What kind of cargo manufacturing are you in (if you can say)?
@@RobRidesCargoBikes mastiff cargo bikes
@@Manetty6 Oh cool, I follow Mastiff on Instagram! Let me know if you'd like to send me one to feature on the channel 😉😅
Where does young people store such huge bike tho? Most of them live in appartments (maybe without an elevator in the 3rd floor i.e.) the idea of a low cost cargo bike is amazing and is the way to go for the future but leave that in neukölln for a couple of hours and you can buy another one for 2800€ and another one …. Cities and appartments are still not safe/suited for bike storage.
The issue you raise is one that affects almost every cargo bike out there. They are bigger, heavier and more expensive than a general city bike and none of that helps when it comes to storage and security, especially in a city. Many apartments have rear yards, some have specific bike rooms and cellars and some at least have bike racks outside that you can lock bikes to. As a last resort, you can always buy extra insurance to cover theft, though it's sad we even have to think that. Compact cargo bikes go some way to helping with some of those issues as they are not too dissimilar in size to a general city bike in many cases, but the fact remains that many apartments are lacking in either secure storage or easy accessibility to easily and safely store a high value cargo bike. Maddy of The Cargobikemomma (instagram.com/cargobikemomma/) has some interesting takes on securing a cargo bike on the streets of New York by covering them with motorcycle covers and trying to hide them in plain sight, so perhaps some of her takes can be implemented in areas with higher levels of bicycle theft also.
It's a shame that cargo bike ownership has to be ruled out by some due to the fear of theft or just not having somewhere secure to be able to store a cargo bike. There are other alternatives such as cargo bike hire or bike share schemes (flotte-berlin.de/ being a free one in Berlin as you mentioned Neukölln) which at least give you access to the benefits of cargo bikes.
Does anybody where the colorful backpacks come from?
The colourful bags are from a company called Lumabag - No association, but here's their website: lumabag.de/
Thanks for watching!
Alles ausverkauft? Keine neuen Bikes mehr?
Ich glaube, die nächste Lieferung wird in den nächsten Monaten eintreffen, aber Sie müssten Super Bicycles direkt fragen!
Thanks for watching! 🙌🙌
Made in China. Assembled in Poland. What do you do in Germany?
Designed in Germany, made in Asia, assembled in Europe is a very common way of making bikes! Marketing and copy language will often try to disguise that fact, so I think any brand that openly embraces it and doesn't try to hide anything behind a "heritage", "tradition" or "Headquarters in XYZ Town" should be applauded.
@RobRidesCargoBikes yes the bile looks cool and well thought through out. I wish a had space for long John cargo bike. Best of luck. We definitely need more cargo bikes in the world they should replace much off traffic in cities. I've got long tail (RM) because of storage issue with long John. Best of luck 🤞
@@82majkel Thanks! Long johns do take up a lot of space unfortunately, it seems like the space issue is a big one for those that live in densely populated areas. Yes, I also think that cargo bikes are a big part of the future for urban mobility and I look forward to seeing them being more widely adopted. It’s already starting to happen and it’s great to see! Hope you’re having fun with your long tail!
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... sucks big' time 😅
Interesting take, why do you say that? 🐻
Frames from China. Nope, thanks.
Other bikes are available!