I finally got to take my truck out for an actual 120 mile road trip mostly on the NYS Thruway with eco hubs. Max speed according to a GPS speedo app on my phone was 72 mph. It was a bit fast for me but I was able to cruise comfortably at the speed limit of 65mph. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THESE! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for engineering this product and putting this video together. I appreciate how much emphasis you place on cleaning. I cannot wait to get mine, install then, and enjoy the benefits of the Eco Hubs.
appreciate the walkthrough, watched most of it, would say it would have really benefited from a more direct camera angle on the wheel surface vs 10 foot off the wheel. Overall, it's on the list of upgrades, will reference this video, but would want more direct pictures and videos going forward.
Great video! And what a great place to work…I did my set basically on the gravel road you drove in and out on 🤣🤣 Ugh! Incidentally, Indiana looks a lot like central NY…maybe a little flatter 🙂
Two comments: 1. Most people would edit out repetitive steps in their video (i.e. they would show starting work on 1 of those 12 holes and then go directly to all of them cleaned out). You showed how to do this unedited, which gives a more realistic view of doing this job. I appreciate that. If I want to cut down my watching time, I can change the playback speed on my laptop. 2. I am not a fan of bottoming out a bolt in a hole. I am not sure if you were using a drill or an impact for that. I own both, and in a situation like this, I would choose my drill because it has an adjustable clutch on it. Setting that clutch very low, bottoming out in the hole wouldn't bother me that much. I am interested in how you made the slots in that bolt. I can imagine several possibilities but wonder which would be the best in terms of time, effort, and quality of results.
One other thing…I used Permatex 81182 specifically for exposure to gear oil. Any thoughts about pros/cons vs the version you used? I assume they are essentially equivalent…
Time will tell what is best as far as sealants. The RTV I recommend has very strong adhesive properties.it’s very very difficult to break the bond once cured. Also in a solvent tank,most RTV will curl up and release within a few minutes.The recommended RTV is very resistant to solvents, it’s a pain to remove actually.
@@xengineguy Good to know! I do not know a lot about the different RTVs available, their specific characteristics. I only know about the stuff I used from one of @fastidiousrestomods (Sean Fillner) videos where he recommended the 81182 for regular hub service. No leaks so far. I used the gaskets and only RTV’d around the curve of the semicircular plugs and on the front I went around the nearest bolt hole, across the face of the plug and around the first bolt hole on the other side. My cleaning was manual with a green 3M pad so probably not as thorough as yours but I have a good seal so maybe the kit is more tolerant than expected in that regard. Trying to relay some data from actual field use. Lastly, amazing work you’ve done here! To design, prototype and bring this to market…just WOW! Great job and highly recommended!
Thank you for the kind words. It’s so great to hear that customers like Eco Hubs. When I started this journey I didn’t know if the idea of deleting the reduction would be accepted at all. Seems it has worked well in every application so far . We are continuing to improve our product and trying to make it easier to purchase also. A new web site should be up soon. Thanks again!@@fsfazekas
What’s the reduction amount? The difference between the deletion? In 6 and in 7th at the same rpm what’s the difference? Does this make the different gearing done at the diff not needed. Is one method of increasing speed superior to the other? Hub vs diff? Creator and others opinions?
The outer hub reduction is 2:1. Removing that changes the final Drive ratio from 7.80:1 to 3:90 to 1. Big change much more than doing 3.07 gears which would Equal 6.14 final Drive ratio….. Example, with Eco Hubs you can easily cruise in 5th gear 65mph and only turn the engine 1500 RPM. Huge improvement!
I agree with @chadjones7722 comment regarding camera angle!!! I too would appreciate a video which shows the install parts and process............the product is very interesting and is appreciated..........if possible please produce a video that shows the details? Thank you.
So some serious comments, before eco hubs, my truck was in 7th gear and would not leave for anything…now I haven’t been above 5th and the truck drives more like a traditional automatic where it actually downshifts going up a hill. I’d never heard the turbo whistle in my truck before eco hubs and I’ve actually heard sounds outside the truck when driving with the window open! However, the front end of the truck “feels” looser when I get to 20-25 on the speedo…should be around 50mph…I don’t know if this is due to the removal of all that rotating mass and it’s inertia…maybe it is just that I can feel other effects in the suspension with all that weight gone. From my days of auto cross racing I would have thought the removal of all that unsprung weight would improve handling. It’s entirely possible it’s just that I need to relearn the feel of the truck. Haven’t gotten any data on fuel economy yet…that’ll come later. Very excited to get more seat time in the truck after the change and I hope to get the speedo set correctly soon… (1996 A0/CAT 3116 M-1078)
the net difference between the weight of the Eco Hubs and OEM Spider gear assembly is negligible considering the weight of a fully assembled tire/wheel is 300+ lbs couple with the fact that any "decrease " in rotating mass is at the axle as opposed to outer rim negating any significant benefit...it's pure physics...
@@BERZERKERSV4 then maybe it is simply the removal of all the contact area and friction of the gearing making things feel “loose” 🤷♂️ Also could be some other factor.
@@cch201992 I finally had a chance to calculate the mpg for a long trip I did. I used the “fill it back up to the same level” method to guesstimate the fuel used. By this method I used 19.6 gallons to go 241 miles for an average fuel economy of approximately 12.3mpg. That seems higher to me than I expected….I was guessing around 10 mpg. I’m willing to accept that my estimation could be off +/- 10%. I just did the same basic trip again and will check fuel consumption when I go over and fill it up. The route was Dolgeville, NY to exit 29A on the NYS Thruway….down to exit 24 where I got on I-87 (the Northway)…up I-87 to exit 15 Saratoga Springs/Rt 50 then Rt 50 to Extra Space Storage on Rt 50. Then back to exit 15 on the Northway, back down to exit 1W to get on the Thruway at exit 24…up the Thruway to exit 31 (Utica, NY)…over to Rt8 going north and to a house on Old State Rd outside the village of Poland, NY. Finally back to my house in Dolgeville, NY. I also included mileage from my house out and back to the gas station to fill up. The largest error is likely whether or not I filled the tank to the same level both times. I need to start taking a picture of the fuel level in the tank instead of relying on memory.
@@cch201992 I recently took the truck on a 241 mile trip. After returning home the tank took 19.6 gallons to refill to approximately the same level. That yields 12.3 mpg…approximately. Just went on another trip of similar length but have not yet refilled the tank. I think the most likely source of error is if I’m actually refilling to the same level. However, even if I’m off by 10% this is still a big improvement! This is roughly the same mpg as my 2006 H2…👍👍
Hi this is Mike from Eco Hubs. The easiest way is to go to my web site Ecohubs.net You can order there or contact me directly and I can take the order. 2606658238 work. Or call or text 2603164022. I will fix you up! Also if you have any questions give me a call or text. Thank you Mike
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I finally got to take my truck out for an actual 120 mile road trip mostly on the NYS Thruway with eco hubs. Max speed according to a GPS speedo app on my phone was 72 mph. It was a bit fast for me but I was able to cruise comfortably at the speed limit of 65mph. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THESE! ❤️❤️❤️
What was your fuel mileage?
Thank you for engineering this product and putting this video together. I appreciate how much emphasis you place on cleaning. I cannot wait to get mine, install then, and enjoy the benefits of the Eco Hubs.
thanks for showing the drain and filll. you should of given us a drive test to show the new speeds.
appreciate the walkthrough, watched most of it, would say it would have really benefited from a more direct camera angle on the wheel surface vs 10 foot off the wheel. Overall, it's on the list of upgrades, will reference this video, but would want more direct pictures and videos going forward.
Great video! And what a great place to work…I did my set basically on the gravel road you drove in and out on 🤣🤣 Ugh! Incidentally, Indiana looks a lot like central NY…maybe a little flatter 🙂
Two comments:
1. Most people would edit out repetitive steps in their video (i.e. they would show starting work on 1 of those 12 holes and then go directly to all of them cleaned out). You showed how to do this unedited, which gives a more realistic view of doing this job. I appreciate that. If I want to cut down my watching time, I can change the playback speed on my laptop.
2. I am not a fan of bottoming out a bolt in a hole. I am not sure if you were using a drill or an impact for that. I own both, and in a situation like this, I would choose my drill because it has an adjustable clutch on it. Setting that clutch very low, bottoming out in the hole wouldn't bother me that much. I am interested in how you made the slots in that bolt. I can imagine several possibilities but wonder which would be the best in terms of time, effort, and quality of results.
post a video of you driving it and the RPM meter at 75mph. this will give me an idea of what to expect.
One other thing…I used Permatex 81182 specifically for exposure to gear oil. Any thoughts about pros/cons vs the version you used? I assume they are essentially equivalent…
Time will tell what is best as far as sealants. The RTV I recommend has very strong adhesive properties.it’s very very difficult to break the bond once cured.
Also in a solvent tank,most RTV will curl up and release within a few minutes.The recommended RTV is very resistant to solvents, it’s a pain to remove actually.
@@xengineguy Good to know! I do not know a lot about the different RTVs available, their specific characteristics. I only know about the stuff I used from one of @fastidiousrestomods (Sean Fillner) videos where he recommended the 81182 for regular hub service.
No leaks so far. I used the gaskets and only RTV’d around the curve of the semicircular plugs and on the front I went around the nearest bolt hole, across the face of the plug and around the first bolt hole on the other side.
My cleaning was manual with a green 3M pad so probably not as thorough as yours but I have a good seal so maybe the kit is more tolerant than expected in that regard.
Trying to relay some data from actual field use.
Lastly, amazing work you’ve done here! To design, prototype and bring this to market…just WOW! Great job and highly recommended!
Thank you for the kind words. It’s so great to hear that customers like Eco Hubs.
When I started this journey I didn’t know if the idea of deleting the reduction would be accepted at all. Seems it has worked well in every application so far . We are continuing to improve our product and trying to make it easier to purchase also.
A new web site should be up soon. Thanks again!@@fsfazekas
What’s the reduction amount? The difference between the deletion? In 6 and in 7th at the same rpm what’s the difference?
Does this make the different gearing done at the diff not needed.
Is one method of increasing speed superior to the other? Hub vs diff?
Creator and others opinions?
The outer hub reduction is 2:1. Removing that changes the final Drive ratio from 7.80:1 to 3:90 to 1. Big change much more than doing 3.07 gears which would
Equal 6.14 final Drive ratio….. Example, with Eco Hubs you can easily cruise in 5th gear 65mph and only turn the engine 1500 RPM. Huge improvement!
I agree with @chadjones7722 comment regarding camera angle!!! I too would appreciate a video which shows the install parts and process............the product is very interesting and is appreciated..........if possible please produce a video that shows the details? Thank you.
So some serious comments, before eco hubs, my truck was in 7th gear and would not leave for anything…now I haven’t been above 5th and the truck drives more like a traditional automatic where it actually downshifts going up a hill. I’d never heard the turbo whistle in my truck before eco hubs and I’ve actually heard sounds outside the truck when driving with the window open! However, the front end of the truck “feels” looser when I get to 20-25 on the speedo…should be around 50mph…I don’t know if this is due to the removal of all that rotating mass and it’s inertia…maybe it is just that I can feel other effects in the suspension with all that weight gone. From my days of auto cross racing I would have thought the removal of all that unsprung weight would improve handling. It’s entirely possible it’s just that I need to relearn the feel of the truck. Haven’t gotten any data on fuel economy yet…that’ll come later.
Very excited to get more seat time in the truck after the change and I hope to get the speedo set correctly soon… (1996 A0/CAT 3116 M-1078)
the net difference between the weight of the Eco Hubs and OEM Spider gear assembly is negligible considering the weight of a fully assembled tire/wheel is 300+ lbs couple with the fact that any "decrease " in rotating mass is at the axle as opposed to outer rim negating any significant benefit...it's pure physics...
@@BERZERKERSV4 then maybe it is simply the removal of all the contact area and friction of the gearing making things feel “loose” 🤷♂️ Also could be some other factor.
@@fsfazekasany update on fuel economy? One would think it would be better🍻
@@cch201992 I finally had a chance to calculate the mpg for a long trip I did. I used the “fill it back up to the same level” method to guesstimate the fuel used. By this method I used 19.6 gallons to go 241 miles for an average fuel economy of approximately 12.3mpg. That seems higher to me than I expected….I was guessing around 10 mpg. I’m willing to accept that my estimation could be off +/- 10%. I just did the same basic trip again and will check fuel consumption when I go over and fill it up.
The route was Dolgeville, NY to exit 29A on the NYS Thruway….down to exit 24 where I got on I-87 (the Northway)…up I-87 to exit 15 Saratoga Springs/Rt 50 then Rt 50 to Extra Space Storage on Rt 50. Then back to exit 15 on the Northway, back down to exit 1W to get on the Thruway at exit 24…up the Thruway to exit 31 (Utica, NY)…over to Rt8 going north and to a house on Old State Rd outside the village of Poland, NY. Finally back to my house in Dolgeville, NY. I also included mileage from my house out and back to the gas station to fill up.
The largest error is likely whether or not I filled the tank to the same level both times. I need to start taking a picture of the fuel level in the tank instead of relying on memory.
@@cch201992 I recently took the truck on a 241 mile trip. After returning home the tank took 19.6 gallons to refill to approximately the same level. That yields 12.3 mpg…approximately. Just went on another trip of similar length but have not yet refilled the tank. I think the most likely source of error is if I’m actually refilling to the same level. However, even if I’m off by 10% this is still a big improvement!
This is roughly the same mpg as my 2006 H2…👍👍
How do I order a set of these for a 2002 M1078 A1?
Hi this is Mike from Eco Hubs. The easiest way is to go to my web site Ecohubs.net You can order there or contact me directly and I can take the order.
2606658238 work. Or call or text 2603164022. I will fix you up! Also if you have any questions give me a call or text. Thank you Mike
www.ecohubs.net. Link to web site
Why not just use a tap to clean those threads out
You need a bottom tap to do it correctly, and if you break a tap your screwed….