Predator 212cc Stage 1 With Dyno Results ~ The Road to Horsepower Ep1
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- Опубликовано: 21 дек 2022
- Today is the very first episode of The Road to Horsepower!!! In this episode we test a stock Predator 212cc Hemi engine stock vs stage 1. Stage one consist of a new carb jet, air filter adapter, air filter, and exhaust. We test it on a mini bike and on the dyno. Check out the links below and like, comment, and subscribe to keep this series coming!!!
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Loud pipes save life's --- Jesus Christ saves soul's --- but ------------ mufflers make horse power. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
AIN'T IT JUST AIN'T IT 😎
@@thehemiolds455 False. If you make the straight pipe longer, it will make MORE power than the muffler.
Back pressure and exhaust scavenging are real things. Having a little bit of back pressure in either a longer pipe or even in this case a muffler causes a small vacuum between the strokes in the pipe and head when the exhaust valve opens and the exhaust gasses are forced out. That little vacuum helps pull more of the burnt gasses from the cylinder head allowing the next combustion cycle to burn cleaner and make more power since there is more clean air and less burnt air if you will. To much back pressure can hurt performance though too. Hence why millions of dollars go into R&D when building a high performance engine.
My bike is faster when I add the wd40 homemade can on but with the 3stage from go powersports go on get u a d battery maglight hollow it out pop it on and man u will have alot more deeper power then I messed around at the electric department at home depot scored me a trumpet attachment from the light lamp section it really makes it faster now too on the cheap
@@jeanlawson9133 Mufflers don't make horsepower.
The world needed this. Thank you for this build.
Thank you for watching!
Amen
The whole concept is awesome. Helps everyone decide how far they want to go. This may be your best series yet.
This will be the true game changer. I won't be able to get enough of this.
Harbor freight has kept a ton of lady's and gentleman on the track and on the road for many years !! And that deserves more than tons of respect.... Without these engines alot of people's dreams would not be able to be accomplished in life .
It's the most fantastic idea for a series ever! I didn't have four wheelers or dirt bikes growing up I was fortunate enough to have a pile of yard carts. I always built traded and swapped trying to squeeze more power from them. It will be amazing to see the before and after results of all the types of stuff I used to do. I will be here for every one of these.
For sure this needed to happen, you have been showing a true talent with your build and fabrication quality on RUclips for some time now, I'm glad that you will be delivering this content. Thank you for bringing it to us.
I love what you do !!! Saves alot of us from the expensive mistakes and helps us get it right the first time. Thanks to your sponsors for helping you out ...
This is a fairly simple idea that I'm sure many have wondered the answers to. Many have wondered that actually had the equipment and means to find answers. You are just the one that took the time to plan the tests and gather what is needed to get data. Thanks, it's not a lazy man's game for sure. I always knew y'all had it going in the right direction.
Awesome! Finally, we've got a guy that's providing the straight-up no bull scoop on what works and what doesn’t. Thank you RB and thank you Aimsoil for making it possible. Can't wait for more of this!
You should make a score board like the British top gear used to do but with hp numbers instead of lap times. You should include engine cost and stage. Like first would be, stock 212 $129 6.5 hp, Then 212 stage one $200 9 hp. You could add to it every episode.
I will do that sir. Thanks for the idea. Ill give you a shout out when we do that!
11:07 That dyno recreated the downhill pops almost perfectly lol
This series is going to be awesome. Great idea to show what effects these actual upgrades have.
Excellent job RB and crew! Awesome way to start a series!
Thank you for supporting!
That's awesome. Can't wait for the next one. It's definitely my new fav series
Wow! What a game changer. Love seeing the results with the modified parts.
GOOD STUFF. Can not wait to see the Predator 224. Excellent job guys.
I've got a Pred 212cc sitting new in the box in my garage, I'm looking forward to this series!!!
just wanted to say i love your channel every video is so clean and professional
Love what you're doing brother I'm glad to see you guys doing this the right way with a good reliable dyno
Enjoyed the video, and thanks for investing in the dyno, it’s good to finally be able to see some numbers on these parts.
Big thanks to Mark for the dyno. Its a game changer for sure.
Yes yes yes!!! This is what I've been waiting for. I know you're going to be doing lots of other Dyno tuning, but if you are taking requests... I would love to see a dyno shootout between a gx390, predator 420, Duramax 440, and predator 459. Stock / stage 1 for all of them. I would love to know if the Honda is underpowered and if the Duramax makes their claimed HP etc. Keep up the badass videos
I love this series. Great work. Educational and informative.
Stage 1 Speed Gains are actually: 0 - 35 ---> 20.1%, 0 - 39 ---> 33.5% Still pretty darn good! 👍👍
I love this series… I’ve always wondered just what performance differences there are with each stage of performance mods! Thanks guys, y’all are great! Keep up the good work
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Well as Martha Steward would say about the muffler removal, “Back Pressure, It’s a Good Thing” 😆
Thats what a muffler shop has told me for years. Guess they was right!
I’m getting into this small engine world coming from v8 mustang engines. This series is matching exactly what I will be doing through these next few months. I’ll be stopping at stage 3 with a non-hemi 212 similar to your “billet everything” video you’ve posted before. Can’t wait to see the results! I’ll be subscribed and watching all of them!
RBG awesome series! Can’t wait for next video in he series.
Great information Greg , thank you , will definitely watch the next video .
Great addition to the channel
Finally a no BS way to see what each modification does! Absolutely what we (your viewers) wanted! I would ask the you please consider running a test tube (exhaust with bung and wide band 02 sensor) to keep an eye on the air to fuel ratio. There by ensuring that each fuel mod isn’t adding too much or too little fuel. If you’re interested in doing so I might have an new extra wide band and gauge squirreled away in my garage.
sweet.! iv been waiting for a channel to do this, I'm glad its u RBG.
I didn't expect that much of a difference
Great video. I am looking forward to the rest of them.
Awesome video, can’t wait to see the full build!
I can't wait till you get everything possible done to it and see the numbers enjoy your show Merry Christmas and God bless
Very excited for this series. Maybe only show one of the dyno runs from each variation though? Seemed to drag on seeing the entire pull of each run.
Great series look forward to seeing the figures on a big block. thnx RBG an team
Had to pop some popcorn for this one.
I liked this shows a very clear with numbers and real world test before and after.
I like all the videos you do but these tutorial/instructional videos are really good
Great video, look forward to upcoming videos showing progress on these builds. Real world numbers never lie, thanks for sharing the info. This makes me want to ditch my shorty header and try a longer header pipe.
Ok I’ll subscribe now hahahaa. Let’s get it man these dyno videos are gonna be the best thing out.. please pump em out man thanks.
Beautiful Editing and Video!
Love the vid I’ve done lots of big bore kits and stroker cranks on the gy6 engines, now I’m looking forward building my 212 on my go kart now because of you
We have everything you can think of coming. Stay tuned and thanks for watching!!!
ive been waiting for a series of videos like this to come out. simple concept but very good idea considering ive yet to see anyone els try to cover it. RBG is the shiii so ill be lookin forward to the next
Awesome tool my man! Thanks for someone finally doing something like this with actual numbers to back up the claims! And let me know when you have a Dyno capable of handling a Briggs Vanguard 570 fully modified billet, chrome-moly and roller everything inside and out, oh and its also superchargerd via a Eaton belt driven supercharger. I'd be afraid of it breaking your new machine there!?!? Lol! Believe it makes somewhere up in the triple digits if not right at them? But definitely worth the time and effort to make these videos to show the differences between the modified engines and how they change its characteristics and performance levels. Where you may gain power you may lose torque and this will be really interesting to see how it goes with a billet flywheel??? I believe the one on the Vanguard was something stupid weight wise difference? Like almost 20lbs down to a 7+lb flywheel. It was worth the money to get one of the ARC billet wheels when you're acceleration more than quadruples off idle!
Can’t wait for the 224 dyno run
Got in an argument with the tech barn last weekend when they claimed no mufflers make more power. Thanks for proving me right!
Great idea and series.
Great vid glad to see you got a dyno, we use these engines on race Karts, and this is super helpful info... Thanks!!!💯
Really Fun Too Watch!
It is awesome to see the real results, thanks for sharing!
Love this series can't want for the next
Validated my theory on my fun cart, awesome vidja!
I have plans to build one of these soon. This will be so very helpful!!!
That A/F Ratio sensor would really improve your tuning capabilities to get the max power. If the 17.7 AFR that was displayed is what that engine was actually producing, it's entirely way too lean. Most naturally aspirated engines like to be between 12-13.5 AFR. General rule of thumb is the right timing for torque, and the right AFR for horsepower, but both tuning aspects effect both parameters in different ways.
Ya this is the best video for the small engine community in awhile
Thanks Red Beard! Great to see the data! Like you mentioned, it's hard to quantify stuff just by feel. Cheers mate!
Love this. Would also love to see similar rundown for a 420 in the future!
Love the fact you can get hard numbers to put behind these engines now. Make me want to build a drag shopping cart
This is awesome. Nice to finally see the hp changes.
This will be like Richard Holdener's videos proving what works and what doesn't. Useful beyond description.
just bought a 224 cc so appreciate this video
Another great video!!!
Just found you guys and thanks.. Bring back memories of my Rupp Mini Bike... Yep i am that old... These seems fun
Great video bud can't wait for the next one 👍
This is so awesome,Thank You!!!!......I pray you do a wildcat 223.
This dyno is a game changer plus Lonnie in the vids is always a good thing
Wow this is an awesome video even have the tools step by step at the bottom I will definitely be back to install the stage 1 on my 212 swapped ct100 👍
Just bought a 224 predator lol,you just earned a sub,great stuff
Going to be a great series... How about flathead briggs up on there
We will be doing that soon sir. Thanks for watching!
I do appreciate everything you do.
Love the upgrades
Love the videos
Excellent, you cant beat empirical data, well done
i love the comparison video !!!
Very informative video. Taking out the guessing of HP gains with real data. I'm looking forward to more "Road to Horsepower" episodes. Would like to see what an all out race motor makes on horsepower.
Love the idea for the magnetic dipstick def gonna pick one of those puppies up
This series is great!
Thanks for watching!
Thx alot red beard. Great video.
Love that kind of video!!
This makes the mods comparable. I want to see this same testing done against a Ghost.
We will in an upcoming video.
Great content perfect execution
One thing to consider is A/F ratio, keeping it consistent after each change will give better results. After removing the muffler, the engine may have been too lean to make power....
Then it'll make LOADS more power when you rejet it.
I would just like to say Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years to you red beard and your family I really don't hope you're having a good one God bless and amen to all of you my respect from Canada. Oh yeah I almost forgot Lonnie Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year's to you and your family as well.
Me and my cuz always talk about power gains from different kits and we can finally see the truck thanks brother
That dyno is a game changer!
Finally a dino...I'm excited for this and I think everyone else will be too!
Great Info....keep it up !
Wow dude thanks for doing this and sharing it with us !! Currently I am starting a build using and old Bucket Bug go cart that I have picked up from a guy that builds some truly amazing 5 HP Briggs motors, Kato gets upwards of 50 HP out of a crazy built up consisting of custom cast crankcases and the works. Because of parts availability I am using a 212 clone and in the first steps I will be doing the standard stuff like a round slide 26 mm carb, cast flywheel and valve springs and a custom exhaust by me. after I get bored with that combination I will be experimenting with camshafts , cylinder head work and compression ratios. I will be following along closely with your progress, I really like the methods and work you do! Like you I like mufflers I want my performance to do the talking!!!
This is so awesome!
Duude I love the videos we need more lol I wanna see you take your favorite yard cart that you have and see how fast you can make it meaning how bad can you make that motor and be able to fire it up and hit the woods
Looking forward to seeing how rocker ratio changes the powerband depending on camshaft selection
I have a request that you test a home made performance parts for those who like to make cheap horsepower.
Edit:
A great option for diy horsepower would be an old Briggs flathead engine. Do some porting and polishing, a 3hp flywheel, a coke can as a head gasket, and some other stuff like that
We will be doing stuff like this soon sir. Thanks for watching!
Great video brother!!
Thank you sir.
I love this stuff and the way your doing it. I would love to see preditor Goast vs tillison stage 1
I think higher rpms youll get better results with no muffler... we shall see where the dyno leads us. Thanks so much for making these videos for us man that dyno is a game changer.🙌🙌
Love your work.
Could you do a continuation of this video with just changing the jets to see if you can gain more power from it before it runs to lean like going up and down one size from stock that would be a cool video to see on the dyno since you are the only one online that has a dyno for theses types of engines. again thank you for posting all these videos!!!