hey jund, poise takes 30 seconds to regenerate. So "waiting a second" doesn't matter. Figured I'd clear this up. Not sure where the misconception came from but it seems based on the videos people who mathed out the shit did that its around 30 seconds. You can use Endure to fully reset poise immediately though or the flask that gives infinite poise.
@@sauce987654321 That's sort of how it worked in ds3, if you for example used splitleaf's weapon art for just a second your poise would reset to full. It would be interesting to see if that works in er as well, seeing how we have splitleaf's weapon art as ashes now.
@@IntenseSpirit just gotta get in there man. I don't knew how to Make any other build than big sword smash and while I get stomped often it's still Hella fun.
I'd love if they made bleed have a cool down like how frostbite does, but much shorter. That would leave it mostly the same PvE, and much weaker but still very usable in pvp I think
I think that be a good idea. Since it is really easy to proc. Having it proc twice in the same combo is a bit ridiculous. Everyone should stock on livers that increase bleed resistance or immunity.
@@shy8054 those livers are way too hard to farm, takes 15 seconds to kill a big octopus and they only drop you 1 liver :( sure the small ones drop them too but its only maybe. and when ur using like 3-4 in a single fight, thats just not realistic to be farming 4-5 of them before every fight, or to farm 100s of them just for 20 duels.
@@DarthAssViolater yeah thats true a lot of items like this are much harder to acquire in this game. Is there a vendor that sells an infinite amount of them?
Gotta love it when you either use the poise monster armor, or you simply die in pvp. Say what you will about ds3 homogenized armors, at least you could wear more then one or two sets without playing at an extreme handicap.
I'd call that a symptom of massive damage overtune. Bleed is more obviously egregious but skills like Dancing Blade and Waterfowl are overpowered to a preposterous level. Vitality and armor imo just do not have the value they need because even in late game pve some attacks are just instant death (or close) no matter what. It's no wonder the meta is migrating higher since mid and low levels are oneshot Fiestas. Poise just highlights that issue.
@@soulofcinder2007 I don’t mean this nastily, don’t let text make me sound like a douche when I say Literally stop running away from it you friggen dink. When someone starts to cast dragon brreath of any type, just spring right up and do a jumping R2. Scott even says it himself when using the dragon build
Hey Scott! I was thinking about your old DS3 content, when quality reigned supreme and you did oodles of weapon showcases. I would LOVE if you did a little quality demonstration in Elden Ring: you could showcase some of the more basic weapons and discuss the fundamentals of each weapon type and how you want to try to win with it. Simple things (Dagger, Longsword, Claymore, Halberd, etc.) could be done easily and quickly PLUS it'd be tons of fun seeing you try to outspace some broken-ass lasers and giant explosions with basic bitch knight weapons. *flails dagger around nonthreateningly*
weapon arts are too strong in this game, using a weapon with only your dex and strenght is putting yourself at a clear disadvantage. the meta now is to put minimum requirments to weild the weapon, put the rest into vit, mind, and either faith or dex depending on what kind of build your using. Everyone in the game gets 7 free memory slots, so use them.
For a lot of the sorcery buffs I beleive it mostly to balance the PvE experience and not the PvP. Since a lot of sorcery spells just were outclassed on damage to fp ratio of other sorceries. A lot of the harder hitting spells cost so much more that it wasn't really advisable to use them when casting a lower damaging spell twice was more economical.
8:02 Tell that to the Colossals Greatswords that barely do 550 AR while being dualhanded... for being so slow, they really didnt get any benefits outside "Non-parriable attacks" & "Quickstep Abusing". T-T (which might be good enough for some, but when a Katana deals 3x the DPS, and a Halbert just does a better overall job, its hard to take them seriously)
I must say, its so relaxing to watch you play elden ring compared to DbD. DbD always has some controversy or arguing or some shit, while elden ring is just so chill.
I just found my favourite new invasion build, the poise physick with the now working mohg spear WA is so much fun when 3 mans get cocky they all just die in a bleedsplosion
@@TheCrell It makes sense that their reach is shorter, but in DS3 you could stand at the edge of a longer weapon’s reach (like a greatsword) and the step in lunge of the first hit combined with the longer length of the blade would let you interrupt their combo. Not that it really matters with true poise I guess.
@@mand0rk DS straight swords were so powerful it was pointless using anything else. I like the variation in Elden Ring...will see if it settles on some stuff of course.
Well a dagger is the only thing shorter than a straight sword... so yeah... if you jump into water you will get wet... every 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes... etc..
The amount that these duels completely rely on "who has more poise" makes me wonder why people hated when DS3 changed how poise worked. It certainly led to a lot more variety.
@@ZirixStrarstrider Yeah because it's so much fun having to stack 50+ poise to tank a single hit from most light weapons when there aren't a lot of armor sets that reliably hit that breakpoint. Active poise may or may not be stupid, but the breakpoints being as high they are is really, really stupid. e: also I meant passive poise, not active poise (hyperarmor). dunno why I said active
@@kevo300 Yeah good luck with that mentality as people walk up in your face because they know they can just facetank whatever you have and out trade you because you have no poise and less defense. This isn't like DKS3 where you just take more damage. In this you're flat out denied viable engagement options.
@@Tilyaf Or just use a range to your advantage like most skilled players do. Spears, great swords, curved swords is all about spacing, not tanking a hit. Like even said in the video these short weapons demand high poise. Did you listen for even a second? Of course not.
I think it’s interesting how not everyone who is new to dueling have picked up on that you’re not supposed to use flasks in fights. I made a post on Reddit just trying to point out how things have been for over a decade and was just met with “git gud”. Anyway, glad to see you back with Souls content, super nostalgic!!
These swords actually look so cool, just wish the buff didn't take as long, and also lasted a bit longer. Any chance you could give the Sword of Milos a go? I think it's a pretty interesting weapon.
On my low level invader, using straight swords combined with Endure was great. But I don't know if it was intentional or not but the latest patch either changed Endure or broke it because now you can't even tank more than a single hit which was certainly not the case before.
Scott have you seen that you can get a guaranteed follow up with with bascially every weapon type after an Ultra greatsword poke? From testing the only thing that doesnt combo is very slow stuff like colossal weapons, but great hammers DO combo. I was running a Zwei and Battle Hammer and the combo damage is kinda of cracked
Poise. Guarantee poise will be the reason Scott gets bored of this game in a couple weeks. I hope I'm wrong because it's still nostalgic watching these.
Yeah.. even if they fix what needs to be fixed, if poise doesnt get nerfed i m gonna get bored as well. Already thinking of respeccing back to sorcery just to spice things up.
I've gotten 1 backstab in pvp because i rolled through a guy who was doing an ash of war(bloody slash) and i instantly hit him when i was behind him, not even trying to backstab him and it backstabbed him, and boy did it feel good. And I wasn't even trying to pvp, I just happened to get invaded during coop.
FYI, the stats are: Barricade shield was reduced from 15 seconds active time to 5 seconds active time, and it takes 3x more FP to cast. So you can definitely just wait out on people using that.
@@KommissarBanx Fast roll in what? And yeah, 120 is probably better than 150 as a meta, but lower than that would certainly not be good either. If we lower anything it should be weapon level, but unlikely that will happen. Not that it matters though as long as infinite equip load physics flask can be used.
I like using beast roar to counter bloodhound step. I haven't tested how much poise you need to not be staggered by it but it tends to stagger people out of their BHS attack when they're being aggressive. The tracking is pretty good and it's a pretty wide hitbox
I've been fighting the Bloodhound step R1 all night, and I found the best counter to literally be a neutral jump heavy. At 60 poise I can trade with them, and it usually f**** them up more.
Screw those ideas make it require staggered timing to continue using it. Like if you spam it, instead of stepping have it make you roll and easy to punish but if you are using it properly to be aggressive, say during an enemy attack that will leave an opening let it still be rewarding.
@@sonicsucks2961 Or just give it the same immunity frames as a regular dodge? it's only overpowered because you can't punish bad timing, and it has enough immunity frames to never get hit as long as you spam it.
Well I was trying to be nice using a parry shield but now I’ma use the infinite stability ability since I have no other option. Good luck getting shield poked all day. You will switch weapons
After hearing about bleed being so good it even counters poise, I want to see Bleed Mage™ (Briars of Sin/Punishment, Staff of the Guilty, etc) attempted.
During my level 70~ invasions lately I have been using a Pike on my STR build and seeing great success out of it. The damage is unimpressive but the range is downright stupid, maybe the best in the game, combined with the very quick and practical spear moveset. Damage gets better if you load up on STR, make it Heavy and 2H it, I'm sure there are other ways like loading up buffs or w/e.
The old straight sword metaaaa ehhh scottymyboiiii…. Really showing these gamers how to squeeze the hog nice and proper with the ollll back up save to straight sword tech
As much fun as it is to see scott back in his element, i've gotta say the pvp aspect to this game has been a real flop so far, the restrictions on phantoms and lowered phantom capacity has made any potential fight clubs (which were fun as shit to host and be apart of in DS3 at the pontiff bonfire) and the damage to health balance of the weapons has made a lot of what made souls PvP fun in the past dead on arrival in this game it feels like... Aside from griefing or ganking of course, it's just it feels like there isn't really a whole lot that can be put out there that isn't just making compilations of "whoaaaaa check out this weapon that has a one shot attack guys it's craaazy." really just puts into perspective how much we took DS3's pvp for granted.
Yeah as of right now, it's essentially a game of "pick your cheese". There's very little depth to the PvP. At this rate, Fromsoft should release Dark Souls 2 PvP as a separate game and call it good lol.
1) Pontiff was cringe 2) basically every Souls game's PvP was broken on arrival, also 3) DkS 3 PvP was boring trashgarbage and I'm glad I'll never play it again
You can hold your sword buff cast to make it last longer. It lasts like minutes for me and I always hold all my buffs as it's free damage for damage spells for same FP cost. E: Hold cast I mean, don't tap
Now that every armor set has been massively buffed in terms of poise with patch 1.07 it's very easy to meet the 50-60 poise needed. 100 Poise is still difficult but most people will have the first poise check in PvE and PvP.
I’m a huge fan of straight swords since it’s just pure souls nostalgia for me. Kind of disappointed that they didn’t really give a legendary option aside from the darkness and flames sword (which got the nerf hammer hard bc, well, it was cheese). But from what I hear, a maxed longsword with quality scaling and a decent ash of war is really good and even better when dual wielded. Any truth?
straight swords dont get to be as long as katanas in this game because japanese devs even though historically longswords are supposed to be longer than katana
Double straight swords slap- but there might be better options out there. St. Trina's and the Rotten Crystal Sword come to mind, good mix of damage and status. Double Coded would be excellent for an aggressive Faith buildup and counters the shield turtles
I think if they reverted STR to have equip load tied to it instead of END like it did in the network test it could fix or at the very least mitigate the amount of poisemonster builds. Every build needs some amount of END, so everyone ends up being able to wear tanky armour, but if it were tied to STR again then dex/int builds would be more varied and STR would receive a much needed buff.
I've been thinking about this for a bit, a way to possibly rebalance bleed: making it so bleed has a cool down. Think like how poison and toxic work where the bar fills and then depletes over time.. of course it would have to deplete faster for blood loss. This is actually how bleed worked in DS2 but bleed in DS2 was functionally different to the rest of the games. Ultimately they're probably just gonna nerf the bleed build up numbers for weapons and spells which will probably be enough
Nah it does have the window of "less damage failed parry" ive tested this with my brother (while trying to parry it but with no luck) sadly the UGS is thr only playable Collosal type weapon that is actually playable on pvp, anything else against a good player u will never hit then ever
@@Mix_009 true I tested it again and it does have the partial. It's a decently powerful tool, I dont hate it anymore since you can jump it. Definitely plenty of counterplay strats.
Coded sword is an amazing straight sword. The ash of war isn't the greatest but it has huge reach and is a decent off hand. That way you have Straightsword R1 and the dual wield moveset on L1. all you lose is blocking while gaining shield bypass. 500~ AR with 60 faith. Powerstancing Straight Swords seems like the way to go, the crouch/rolling/running attack isn't bad
@@user-eh8xp8xr8i The meta at the start of the game was Warden Twinblades / Sellsword Twinblades and Bleed, I believe they nerfed the damage heavily, I can't remember. All I remember is I went from seeing it nearly every PvP session to never seeing it a single time again in years
Try dual st trinas vs fp shield. I personally just use the severing item to go back to my world when summoned by someone who uses it. I cant even be bothered. Same for BHS, they re both too boring and lame.
@@steliosp1770 I also thought of using sleep, with st trinas swords and a pulley crossbow with sleep bolts. First guy I found that I was able to try it on had the sleep bolouses, so it was rendered useless. For now, the best counter is dual cold naginatas with hoarfrost.
@@mythvrl yeah but hoarfrost got netfed. Think storm stomp is better than hoarfrost now. Guess hoarfrost is still good for helping you build up frostbite if nothing else. Could try sepuku on maginatas instead and go for the bleed but idk man w/e you do you re just forced into such a boring playstyle vs that setup that i cba. Summon duels at main gate arent a tournament, if they have BHS or turtle i just leave, miss me with that shit.
If you are going to do an episode on a spacing weapon like a spear, will you consider the partisan? Can't do epic combos from R2s like in DS3 anymore, but it's still my favorite and I'd love to see it get more attention :) Nice parry at the end lol
I had to deal with an invader spamming bloodhound ultragreatsword poise build yesterday, Running R2 from Godsticher seems to flinch them pretty consitently.
I kind of like that they used the same engine as DS3. Felt like putting on some broken in boots for my "taunters tongue always on" run. That said, Elden Ring 2 I hope will have its own new engine how ever many years off that may be.
Fromsoft is working on an armored core game and dlc for Elden ring, as well as some kind of media “outside the game” whatever that means. (Netflix special? Lmao)
Spark Aromatic shits on bloodhound step because of the lingering hitbox and poise damage, of course you do need to be a dex build to get much out of it but if you are, there's no reason not to include it in your build; it solves so many problems. Poise tank rushing you? Throw sparks at your feet. Bloodhound step? Free aim sparks to your left or right. Turtling behind shield? They better hope it's got high fire negation. And if the Sparks hit them? You've got so much initiative to do whatever you want after (I prefer Beast Roar as you can just buffer it after the Sparks and rollcatch people panicking). The only downside is that Miranda Powder is kinda tedious to farm, you gotta spend 10 minutes or so farming inbetween PvP sessions to get yourself stocked back up with a hundred or so bottles worth. Give it a try! EDIT: Beast Roar on your weapon of choice also let's you deal with with spammy wizards and dragon casters by just outranging them and interrupting everything they do. Also, I should mention that if you have the slot for it, perfumer's talisman is VERY good for your Sparks, as well as the Dex boost and fire boost physick tear. Almost a thousand damage on the first hit at 80 Dex and level 125. EDIT: Sparks also are excellent for invasions because of how aggressive people are. Putting Sparks in front of you is the ultimate space-creator. If they don't roll through it, they take huge damage and are now on the defensive. If they back off, you can do whatever you want; heal, throw spell, beast roar, whatever. If they roll through it, a standing jump R2 will nail anybody who does a rolling attack into you. And obviously this is all in addition to whatever else your build can do since this is literally all just a consumable with negligible FP cost that doesn't cost any weight or weapon slots. It's like having permanent access to a second ash of war with insane damage. Of course, since you can only have 7 of them at a time, you don't win a war of attrition in invasions, but I've found that typically I only ever use 2 or 3 per duel, and the most I've ever used in an invasion was 6. Any Dex build benefits from this if you can stomach farming perfumer's grotto every now and then.
2:20 Brass shield is the best medium shield for blocking, it's one of the ones that gives you max guard boost with barricade shield. I'm more interested in the fact that he opened with a glintstone pebble ash of war. I've been kind of wondering if it can be used in PvP, but it feels a bit to slow.
Because the glintstone pebble AoW is a two-step process actually. The second attack is a long range stabbing lunge. And if you hit the initial glintstone pebble, it can combo into the lunge. You end up having a safe-ish ranged option that can hit-confirm into a shitload of damage. I'm not sure that it is 100% guaranteed, but from what I have seen, it is pretty consistent.
remember people, if poise gets nerfed too hard than a good chunk of weapons will become unuseable due to lack of hyper armour. i won't personally care, but i can see the pool of good weapons shrinking pretty hard.
@@thehumanstunlock7588 why not just give heavier weapons more hyper armor? it’s like the situation with bleed, no one wants to see bleed builds be useless same as no one wants heavier weapons be always interrupted, but when a single pair r1 can instableed or a katana can poise through a straightsword and kill there’s a problem.
@@nostalgicactuator8448 heavy weapons are fine where they are, you're thinking wide-spread nerfs, i'm thinking more specific nerfs to the problem weapons specifically, moonveil being one of two potential candidates, or, maybe buff straight swords, wouldn't fix the fact that katanas in a japanse game are gonna be strong, or that everything below greatsword-class don't have hyper armour, but as it stands, what i'm hearing is that straight swords are too weak, and katanas have too much killing power, poise wasn't the issue to begin with and neither where heavier weapons.
Love this vids Scott. Hope you're enjoying the new patch. Really glad they nerfed things that could be countered like Hoarfrost and left bleed alone. Being stun locked and instant killed more often has never been more fun! At least I can dodge a Moonveil. At least I can jump over a Hoarfrost. I can roll through a spell. Because of From's terrible netcode theres is NO counterplay to being bleed rushed by double Scavenger's Curved Swords. Truely a game less balanced then DbD.
Just going to say this as it's my favourite weapon the blade of calling with high faith and +10 with the holy attack increase in psykick can do nearly 2000 damage with its weapon art should give it ago
18:30 They buffed it because it was underperforming in PvE. They aren't going to be nerfing things based around duels since they have 600~800k players who are mostly focused on PvE, and if PvP, invasions, which an invader needs things to hit hard to burst people down since less dmg in a 3 v 1 setting is going to favor the the gank squad way more. The things they nerfed, Hoarfrost and Bloodslash, while okay in PvP, were early game weapon arts that crushed PvE. They basically nerfed the things speed runners were using to trivialize PvE. Everything else was just a bug fix really. I don't think they made even one change with the mindset of trying to balance damage in context to trying to slow down duels. I really don't think they are ever going to do that. Maybe they will put an arena in a DLC that has reduced dmg while in it though. But, yeah, If there isn't some way for them to reduce player dmg on players specifically, I don't think they are touching any of these things because they want things that are strong in PvE to still be strong, and just wanted to nip a few easy to get outliers that were targeted due to speedrunners making it very apparent how above the curve they were for early PvE acquisitions. Elden Ring very well could be the route of Demons Souls when it comes to PvP, in which, there is just a lot of powerful things to choose from. People are just going to have to adapt most likely.
@@ScottJund Yeah, that falls under bugs, which they are going to fix major bugs like that regardless if it's prevalent in PvP or not. They called it a bug too. It wasn't a nerf for the sake of slower dueling. Although, it certainly was a bug that could be abused in invasions and such, as the developers clearly didn't intend for players to abuse a bugged interaction to passively put Death Blight on others. The point is though, none of the changes were done for the sake of nerfing things in general to slow down the pace for dueling PvP, and that's because of what I explained in this comment. This is not a game where they are going to nerf things in the game overall for the specific purpose of adhering to an arbitrary preference that some people doing duels may want. The reason that was done to an extent in a game like, say, DS3, was because the game was further into its lifespan and most of the people still playing were heavily focused in on dueling. It's a completely different scenario for Elden Ring. Like, I'm not sure if people in the niche dueling community truly understand how small of a community it is compared to the overwhelming number of people who are playing Elden Ring. It's nothing like previous Souls games. PvE is going to be their main concern for buff/nerf decisions for quite sometime. And, even when they do look at PvP matters, I can all but assure you that they will be looking at invasions far before they look at vague ideas of dueling balance. It wouldn't make sense for them not to from their perspective. Not to mention, people aren't exactly unified in what they want either. This is not going to be treated like some sort of competitive PvP game, because it couldn't be further from that, and the PvP, fundamentally speaking, in this game, is not meant to fulfill that purpose. This has been the case for sometime truly, but it's really becoming apparent with Elden Ring. Just for a vague example, you have many people who preferred DS2 PvP vs those who preferred DS3 PvP, which, those preferences are not compatible with one another in regard to how either group would prefer seeing the direction dueling balance would go. I could also mention that people are not going to agree on just one PvP meta range either. This is much less of an issue though than many people are treating it (literally have seen and even experienced harassment over this), as multiple PvP ranges coexisting has been a thing for quite sometime now. In DS2, just for example, you had tournaments that were both 150 oriented and 120 oriented. Even in DS1, some people preferred PvPing at 100, and it wasn't uncommon to find fight clubs at that range even though 120 was the more common 'meta' pvp level for the game. People would just have multiple characters at different ranges to be at different ranged events. It's not exactly a new concept. I'm not sure why exactly it's become such a heated tribal talking point, but I have a few theories... But, I'll digress on that. I've clarified my point already.
Not being able to break through poise in one hit with most weapons is a good reason to have a lower meta level. Right now I'm testing level 100 and I still feel like I have everything I could ever want.
bleed should be changed into it procing for whatever damage it does, then have a poison-like effect where you slowly lose HP and the bar just goes lower, instead of being able to proc it multiple times imo :- )
I think poise gets much more manageable if different attacks from weapons had more varying levels of stagger. like R2s should have a more significant effect on poise than R1s, then spacing and stuff actually becomes a lot more reasonable.
@@ScottJund yeah, maybe just allow those attacks to always ignore poise? idk, like I feel like small weapons are unusable without poise and vs poise if their weapon does more damage. :/
You should try the Guardian Swordspear next, it's a lot of fun and has a unique moveset for halberds. I like to run double slash on it, but I don't doubt there are other, more busted, ashes of war for it as well.
for bh step + poise you can sort of counter it with the glintstone pebble weapon art. Does really high damage and inflicts heavy stagger, which garuntees a followup from the WA. On my 120 caster I was able to do 1700 damage after the patch after catching someone with it and landing the followup. The obvious downside is it's kind of slow but you will fucking obliterate people that try to just force trades and aren't paying attention
@@ScottJund I think the great epee is really good. Can’t poise running r2. Shield poke hits as hard as lance and can shield poke poise tankers and get out. Has un parry able attack which is unique to weapon if you charge r2 and hit back step. Disgusting r2 range. Leo ring.
Honestly I wish this game had more like DS2 PvP. I had over 300 hours on PvP alone on just one character alone. DS2 PvP had its bullshit, but I could use my fists against a warped sword and still had a decent chance. Most the weapons were viable and there were so many unique builds that I could run into or create. Elden Ring’s PvP seems to just be “what did the RUclipsrs make?”
Brass Shield at +25 has 69 Guard Boost Literally the Black Knight Shield from Ds3, but slightly lighter (0.5 difference) and it has less strength requirements. I get that Fingerprint Greatshield is super OP, but so was Havels Greatshield? Which doesn't make sense, since all the tryhards and wannabe tryhards would use the Black Knight Shield since it had lower requirements, weight and still had really good resists. So why is everyone using the Fingerprint Shield?
Also could you try to make a video where you use the great sword without the bloodhounds step and not abuse the crouch r1? Curious to see just how it holds up
hey jund, poise takes 30 seconds to regenerate. So "waiting a second" doesn't matter.
Figured I'd clear this up.
Not sure where the misconception came from but it seems based on the videos people who mathed out the shit did that its around 30 seconds.
You can use Endure to fully reset poise immediately though or the flask that gives infinite poise.
oh thanks for the knowledge, appreciate it
Don't certain weapons reset poise to some degree, too? I remember reading a greatsword's R1 resets it by 80%, but I'm obviously not sure.
@@sauce987654321 That's sort of how it worked in ds3, if you for example used splitleaf's weapon art for just a second your poise would reset to full. It would be interesting to see if that works in er as well, seeing how we have splitleaf's weapon art as ashes now.
The last patch broke Endure, it doesn't give any poise now.
I believe the misconception came from the fact people were comparing this poise to DS1 and in DS1 it took 4 seconds to reset IIRC
i very much enjoy hearing your thoughts on all these diff weapons and styles of play it helps a lot for trying to get better at pvp
I must not have watched enough videos then because I'm still 100% ass at PVP
@@IntenseSpirit just gotta get in there man. I don't knew how to Make any other build than big sword smash and while I get stomped often it's still Hella fun.
I'd love if they made bleed have a cool down like how frostbite does, but much shorter. That would leave it mostly the same PvE, and much weaker but still very usable in pvp I think
I think that be a good idea. Since it is really easy to proc. Having it proc twice in the same combo is a bit ridiculous. Everyone should stock on livers that increase bleed resistance or immunity.
I don't think that would leave PvE mostly the same at all.
@@shy8054 those livers are way too hard to farm, takes 15 seconds to kill a big octopus and they only drop you 1 liver :( sure the small ones drop them too but its only maybe. and when ur using like 3-4 in a single fight, thats just not realistic to be farming 4-5 of them before every fight, or to farm 100s of them just for 20 duels.
@@DarthAssViolater yeah thats true a lot of items like this are much harder to acquire in this game. Is there a vendor that sells an infinite amount of them?
frost can be reset by fire damage
Gotta love it when you either use the poise monster armor, or you simply die in pvp. Say what you will about ds3 homogenized armors, at least you could wear more then one or two sets without playing at an extreme handicap.
I'd call that a symptom of massive damage overtune. Bleed is more obviously egregious but skills like Dancing Blade and Waterfowl are overpowered to a preposterous level.
Vitality and armor imo just do not have the value they need because even in late game pve some attacks are just instant death (or close) no matter what. It's no wonder the meta is migrating higher since mid and low levels are oneshot Fiestas. Poise just highlights that issue.
@@leiderhosen7110 Spells that are literally impossible to dodge are also... problematic.
@@The27Spartan dragon breath bs has been a nightmare
@@soulofcinder2007 I don’t mean this nastily, don’t let text make me sound like a douche when I say Literally stop running away from it you friggen dink. When someone starts to cast dragon brreath of any type, just spring right up and do a jumping R2. Scott even says it himself when using the dragon build
@@KommissarBanx no shit you dink, but I’m not always close enough to do that before getting scarlet rot or whatever else
Hey Scott! I was thinking about your old DS3 content, when quality reigned supreme and you did oodles of weapon showcases. I would LOVE if you did a little quality demonstration in Elden Ring: you could showcase some of the more basic weapons and discuss the fundamentals of each weapon type and how you want to try to win with it. Simple things (Dagger, Longsword, Claymore, Halberd, etc.) could be done easily and quickly PLUS it'd be tons of fun seeing you try to outspace some broken-ass lasers and giant explosions with basic bitch knight weapons. *flails dagger around nonthreateningly*
weapon arts are too strong in this game, using a weapon with only your dex and strenght is putting yourself at a clear disadvantage. the meta now is to put minimum requirments to weild the weapon, put the rest into vit, mind, and either faith or dex depending on what kind of build your using. Everyone in the game gets 7 free memory slots, so use them.
@@DarthAssViolater Oh, I know. That's why I want to see Scott do it. Because I know he probably could do pretty well with garbage options.
For a lot of the sorcery buffs I beleive it mostly to balance the PvE experience and not the PvP. Since a lot of sorcery spells just were outclassed on damage to fp ratio of other sorceries. A lot of the harder hitting spells cost so much more that it wasn't really advisable to use them when casting a lower damaging spell twice was more economical.
8:02 Tell that to the Colossals Greatswords that barely do 550 AR while being dualhanded... for being so slow, they really didnt get any benefits outside "Non-parriable attacks" & "Quickstep Abusing". T-T
(which might be good enough for some, but when a Katana deals 3x the DPS, and a Halbert just does a better overall job, its hard to take them seriously)
I know this is late, but what the hell kinda awful stat spread are you running where a colassal has anything less than 600 AR minimum?
I must say, its so relaxing to watch you play elden ring compared to DbD. DbD always has some controversy or arguing or some shit, while elden ring is just so chill.
Can't wait for the next episode: Narrated Thought Duels - Morning Star its gonna be so good
I just found my favourite new invasion build, the poise physick with the now working mohg spear WA is so much fun when 3 mans get cocky they all just die in a bleedsplosion
I got a lowish level invasion character with Mohg's and this rings very true.
Sounds like pure evil and I love it.
The poise flask is goated at low level invasions, especially if they don’t know you have it on and rush you as you’re drinking it lol
Straight Swords just feel so goddamn short in this game. There is absolutely no outspacing anything other than maybe a dagger.
that makes sense though right? shorter swords not outranging longer swords?
Reduvia!
Reduvia Reduvia!
And you died, sry :/
@@TheCrell It makes sense that their reach is shorter, but in DS3 you could stand at the edge of a longer weapon’s reach (like a greatsword) and the step in lunge of the first hit combined with the longer length of the blade would let you interrupt their combo. Not that it really matters with true poise I guess.
@@mand0rk DS straight swords were so powerful it was pointless using anything else. I like the variation in Elden Ring...will see if it settles on some stuff of course.
Well a dagger is the only thing shorter than a straight sword... so yeah... if you jump into water you will get wet... every 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes... etc..
Super happy to see you back playing souls again! I would love to see a video on a mace type weapon.
New to souls pvp, loving these vids, really learning a lot about how it works thanks m8.
You mentioned spears for the next of these, I'd LOVE to see some pike action.
Pike is really good.
The amount that these duels completely rely on "who has more poise" makes me wonder why people hated when DS3 changed how poise worked. It certainly led to a lot more variety.
Yeah, because is SO MUCH FUN getting stunlocked by a puny dagger, while using full Havel set.
@@ZirixStrarstrider Yeah because it's so much fun having to stack 50+ poise to tank a single hit from most light weapons when there aren't a lot of armor sets that reliably hit that breakpoint.
Active poise may or may not be stupid, but the breakpoints being as high they are is really, really stupid.
e: also I meant passive poise, not active poise (hyperarmor). dunno why I said active
Fashion always over poise people act like there playing at world championship in this game
@@kevo300 Yeah good luck with that mentality as people walk up in your face because they know they can just facetank whatever you have and out trade you because you have no poise and less defense.
This isn't like DKS3 where you just take more damage. In this you're flat out denied viable engagement options.
@@Tilyaf Or just use a range to your advantage like most skilled players do. Spears, great swords, curved swords is all about spacing, not tanking a hit. Like even said in the video these short weapons demand high poise. Did you listen for even a second? Of course not.
I think it’s interesting how not everyone who is new to dueling have picked up on that you’re not supposed to use flasks in fights. I made a post on Reddit just trying to point out how things have been for over a decade and was just met with “git gud”. Anyway, glad to see you back with Souls content, super nostalgic!!
Scott, make a video reading the last patch notes like you did for DBD. Maybe even share your opinions about the new Bleed META.
These swords actually look so cool, just wish the buff didn't take as long, and also lasted a bit longer.
Any chance you could give the Sword of Milos a go? I think it's a pretty interesting weapon.
They should probably have a buffer on Bleed so there is a delay between proccing and the next proc, so you can't just chain it.
On my low level invader, using straight swords combined with Endure was great. But I don't know if it was intentional or not but the latest patch either changed Endure or broke it because now you can't even tank more than a single hit which was certainly not the case before.
Barricade got a justified nerf, so Endure was probably stealth patched as well so people wouldn't just immediately jump on it to escape the Bari nerf.
@@leiderhosen7110 barricade shield is still just as strong as it was before, just more fp cost and it's active for less time.
@@Kyle-hv8ed So... Not as strong? xD
@XxXzeroXxX it does its job, you just have to time the shield buff for when you actually need it
Scott have you seen that you can get a guaranteed follow up with with bascially every weapon type after an Ultra greatsword poke? From testing the only thing that doesnt combo is very slow stuff like colossal weapons, but great hammers DO combo. I was running a Zwei and Battle Hammer and the combo damage is kinda of cracked
Do you mean if YOU poke with an UGS you can then switch weapons and get a follow up?
@@beefstrokinoff you need to be 1 handed an UGS and have the other weapon in your off hand
shiit people are starting to copy my maliketh build i see hahahahaa
@@DarthAssViolater Never seen you before in my life, aint no one copying you dawg 💀
Poise. Guarantee poise will be the reason Scott gets bored of this game in a couple weeks. I hope I'm wrong because it's still nostalgic watching these.
You say that but this man played DBD for years without really stopping. And nothing is more stale than the DBD meta.
Yeah.. even if they fix what needs to be fixed, if poise doesnt get nerfed i m gonna get bored as well. Already thinking of respeccing back to sorcery just to spice things up.
@@TheFiftGuy lmfao amen to that.
jesus that games boring as FUCK.
@@steliosp1770 you can’t really nerf poise without making it useless. Maybe poise health should restore hella slow, I don’t know.
I'll be real it seems like it's worse than ds3 hyperarmour from the outside
That parry at the end earned you the like and comment. Well done sir
I wish we could get some more PvE content. I never saw the uploads beyond Stormveil. Would love to see Scott VS Maliketh, Malenia, etc.
Yes, please. This! ^
I've gotten 1 backstab in pvp because i rolled through a guy who was doing an ash of war(bloody slash) and i instantly hit him when i was behind him, not even trying to backstab him and it backstabbed him, and boy did it feel good. And I wasn't even trying to pvp, I just happened to get invaded during coop.
I've only backstabbed once as well, guy unfortunately crouch flasked and I got him.
FYI, the stats are: Barricade shield was reduced from 15 seconds active time to 5 seconds active time, and it takes 3x more FP to cast. So you can definitely just wait out on people using that.
no i mean people using greatshields with greatshield talisman. some of them give you >100 stability which means you lose 0 stamina on block
Good to know, thanks. I noticed the FP cost but I was too lazy to time the duration to be honest.
@@ScottJund Only one shield does that 100%, the fingerprint shield.
Love the golden tempering animation.
I've been having fun with dual halberd jumping attacks with the claw talisman. Moveset is fine but no one expects a jumping attack to do 900 damage
awesome video, nice new duelling location
having FULL poise armor and 70 dex makes me feel like 120 is too high for meta level :D
It only works because his weapons are super light. If you want to have that poise with an UGS you need ~45 Endurance. Also he only has 50 Vig.
I have 15 END on my second character and it’s still enough to fast roll. Trust me, 120 is a lot better for PvP than 150 was…Jesus the Havel mages…
@@KommissarBanx Fast roll in what?
And yeah, 120 is probably better than 150 as a meta, but lower than that would certainly not be good either. If we lower anything it should be weapon level, but unlikely that will happen.
Not that it matters though as long as infinite equip load physics flask can be used.
I like using beast roar to counter bloodhound step. I haven't tested how much poise you need to not be staggered by it but it tends to stagger people out of their BHS attack when they're being aggressive. The tracking is pretty good and it's a pretty wide hitbox
the shoulders clipping through that hat is gonna give me nightmares
I really enjoy these videos, so much insight with these different matchups!. Keep up the good work scott!
I've been fighting the Bloodhound step R1 all night, and I found the best counter to literally be a neutral jump heavy. At 60 poise I can trade with them, and it usually f**** them up more.
This is the first non-broken build. These ER build videos are fun to watch for once.
Kind of hope they increase the FP for blood hound step. When its spammed like that, it's a problem
make it cost more based off weapon weight. Encourage its use on the intended weapons, but still allow it on the bigger ones.
It should cost HP
Screw those ideas make it require staggered timing to continue using it. Like if you spam it, instead of stepping have it make you roll and easy to punish but if you are using it properly to be aggressive, say during an enemy attack that will leave an opening let it still be rewarding.
You could probably just give it a cooldown between steps or make it have a lot of recovery time.
@@sonicsucks2961 Or just give it the same immunity frames as a regular dodge? it's only overpowered because you can't punish bad timing, and it has enough immunity frames to never get hit as long as you spam it.
Back stabs only really work when they're animation locked (end of a jumping attack/long ashe of war)
They need to animation lock shield pokes to allow some counter play. Rn shield poking is way too strong.
@@HumbleHomunculus 100% it would let you backstab fuckboy fingerprinters for sure.
Good to see you can finally duel where you wanted to!
I hope you get around to making a lot of these videos. They’re my favorite.
I think it's fine that 2H colossals can't be parried. They have enough against them as it is, like the limited pool of ashes usable with them.
Well I was trying to be nice using a parry shield but now I’ma use the infinite stability ability since I have no other option. Good luck getting shield poked all day. You will switch weapons
rolling and running attacks should still be parryable tho. This is a mistake imo
It would be fine probably if not for the spammable bloodhound step BS. There was no such thing as a quickstep UGS in DS3.
After hearing about bleed being so good it even counters poise, I want to see Bleed Mage™ (Briars of Sin/Punishment, Staff of the Guilty, etc) attempted.
Loving these dueling videos, Scott.
During my level 70~ invasions lately I have been using a Pike on my STR build and seeing great success out of it. The damage is unimpressive but the range is downright stupid, maybe the best in the game, combined with the very quick and practical spear moveset. Damage gets better if you load up on STR, make it Heavy and 2H it, I'm sure there are other ways like loading up buffs or w/e.
I can vouch for that as well. Pike hits hard as fuck on strength build. Even duel partisans are nasty to
The old straight sword metaaaa ehhh scottymyboiiii…. Really showing these gamers how to squeeze the hog nice and proper with the ollll back up save to straight sword tech
Suitable that the new world painted by From had the pigment of the Dark Soul in it, very much so.
As much fun as it is to see scott back in his element, i've gotta say the pvp aspect to this game has been a real flop so far, the restrictions on phantoms and lowered phantom capacity has made any potential fight clubs (which were fun as shit to host and be apart of in DS3 at the pontiff bonfire) and the damage to health balance of the weapons has made a lot of what made souls PvP fun in the past dead on arrival in this game it feels like... Aside from griefing or ganking of course, it's just it feels like there isn't really a whole lot that can be put out there that isn't just making compilations of "whoaaaaa check out this weapon that has a one shot attack guys it's craaazy." really just puts into perspective how much we took DS3's pvp for granted.
Yeah as of right now, it's essentially a game of "pick your cheese". There's very little depth to the PvP. At this rate, Fromsoft should release Dark Souls 2 PvP as a separate game and call it good lol.
1) Pontiff was cringe 2) basically every Souls game's PvP was broken on arrival, also 3) DkS 3 PvP was boring trashgarbage and I'm glad I'll never play it again
@@SirWetBiscuit Based.
There is also a lack of red summon signs. Ds3 would literally have 15-20 signs overlapping and Elden ring has maybe 5 or 6 at a time if you’re lucky
Tbf we are only like a month into the game so far
You can hold your sword buff cast to make it last longer. It lasts like minutes for me and I always hold all my buffs as it's free damage for damage spells for same FP cost. E: Hold cast I mean, don't tap
Now that every armor set has been massively buffed in terms of poise with patch 1.07 it's very easy to meet the 50-60 poise needed.
100 Poise is still difficult but most people will have the first poise check in PvE and PvP.
Imagine being a new player when you come to this place to see all those blood stains by a Grace
I’m a huge fan of straight swords since it’s just pure souls nostalgia for me. Kind of disappointed that they didn’t really give a legendary option aside from the darkness and flames sword (which got the nerf hammer hard bc, well, it was cheese). But from what I hear, a maxed longsword with quality scaling and a decent ash of war is really good and even better when dual wielded. Any truth?
straight swords dont get to be as long as katanas in this game because japanese devs even though historically longswords are supposed to be longer than katana
Remember to stop your movement before pressing r1. I don't know why but it has helped with securing backstabs.
Double straight swords slap- but there might be better options out there. St. Trina's and the Rotten Crystal Sword come to mind, good mix of damage and status. Double Coded would be excellent for an aggressive Faith buildup and counters the shield turtles
I think if they reverted STR to have equip load tied to it instead of END like it did in the network test it could fix or at the very least mitigate the amount of poisemonster builds. Every build needs some amount of END, so everyone ends up being able to wear tanky armour, but if it were tied to STR again then dex/int builds would be more varied and STR would receive a much needed buff.
Lol no it Would destroy dex wep
I've been thinking about this for a bit, a way to possibly rebalance bleed: making it so bleed has a cool down. Think like how poison and toxic work where the bar fills and then depletes over time.. of course it would have to deplete faster for blood loss. This is actually how bleed worked in DS2 but bleed in DS2 was functionally different to the rest of the games. Ultimately they're probably just gonna nerf the bleed build up numbers for weapons and spells which will probably be enough
I'm pretty sure UGS 2H poke should be parryable.
Nah it does have the window of "less damage failed parry" ive tested this with my brother (while trying to parry it but with no luck) sadly the UGS is thr only playable Collosal type weapon that is actually playable on pvp, anything else against a good player u will never hit then ever
@@Mix_009 true I tested it again and it does have the partial. It's a decently powerful tool, I dont hate it anymore since you can jump it. Definitely plenty of counterplay strats.
Coded sword is an amazing straight sword. The ash of war isn't the greatest but it has huge reach and is a decent off hand. That way you have Straightsword R1 and the dual wield moveset on L1. all you lose is blocking while gaining shield bypass. 500~ AR with 60 faith. Powerstancing Straight Swords seems like the way to go, the crouch/rolling/running attack isn't bad
16:01 I just hope when they change bleed its still usable to a degree.. The ds3 nerf made it fall off the map completely
How did they nerf if in Ds3? I never used bleed so never noticed it
@@user-eh8xp8xr8i The meta at the start of the game was Warden Twinblades / Sellsword Twinblades and Bleed, I believe they nerfed the damage heavily, I can't remember. All I remember is I went from seeing it nearly every PvP session to never seeing it a single time again in years
I can't even hit that Blessed Charged R2 in PVE
The unique R2 is really cool for this weapon, so it kinda sucks that you can’t get it off effectively unless you’re in a really specific situation
Need a video on all the counters to BH quickstep and Finger Print Shield. Only thing that works for both is hoarfrost stomp.
Try dual st trinas vs fp shield. I personally just use the severing item to go back to my world when summoned by someone who uses it. I cant even be bothered. Same for BHS, they re both too boring and lame.
@@steliosp1770 I also thought of using sleep, with st trinas swords and a pulley crossbow with sleep bolts. First guy I found that I was able to try it on had the sleep bolouses, so it was rendered useless. For now, the best counter is dual cold naginatas with hoarfrost.
@@mythvrl yeah but hoarfrost got netfed. Think storm stomp is better than hoarfrost now. Guess hoarfrost is still good for helping you build up frostbite if nothing else.
Could try sepuku on maginatas instead and go for the bleed but idk man w/e you do you re just forced into such a boring playstyle vs that setup that i cba. Summon duels at main gate arent a tournament, if they have BHS or turtle i just leave, miss me with that shit.
@@steliosp1770 yea imma just start leaving, shit is boring asf
I kinda wish the R2 had a lower charge time when your buff is active. It's a really funny move.
Oh my god I completely forgot demogorgon guy was the narrated duel guy from 5 years ago
If you are going to do an episode on a spacing weapon like a spear, will you consider the partisan? Can't do epic combos from R2s like in DS3 anymore, but it's still my favorite and I'd love to see it get more attention :)
Nice parry at the end lol
I had to deal with an invader spamming bloodhound ultragreatsword poise build yesterday, Running R2 from Godsticher seems to flinch them pretty consitently.
I kind of like that they used the same engine as DS3. Felt like putting on some broken in boots for my "taunters tongue always on" run. That said, Elden Ring 2 I hope will have its own new engine how ever many years off that may be.
Fromsoft is working on an armored core game and dlc for Elden ring, as well as some kind of media “outside the game” whatever that means. (Netflix special? Lmao)
Very uncanny, just started using this weapon myself literally today.
Spark Aromatic shits on bloodhound step because of the lingering hitbox and poise damage, of course you do need to be a dex build to get much out of it but if you are, there's no reason not to include it in your build; it solves so many problems. Poise tank rushing you? Throw sparks at your feet. Bloodhound step? Free aim sparks to your left or right. Turtling behind shield? They better hope it's got high fire negation. And if the Sparks hit them? You've got so much initiative to do whatever you want after (I prefer Beast Roar as you can just buffer it after the Sparks and rollcatch people panicking). The only downside is that Miranda Powder is kinda tedious to farm, you gotta spend 10 minutes or so farming inbetween PvP sessions to get yourself stocked back up with a hundred or so bottles worth. Give it a try!
EDIT: Beast Roar on your weapon of choice also let's you deal with with spammy wizards and dragon casters by just outranging them and interrupting everything they do. Also, I should mention that if you have the slot for it, perfumer's talisman is VERY good for your Sparks, as well as the Dex boost and fire boost physick tear. Almost a thousand damage on the first hit at 80 Dex and level 125.
EDIT: Sparks also are excellent for invasions because of how aggressive people are. Putting Sparks in front of you is the ultimate space-creator. If they don't roll through it, they take huge damage and are now on the defensive. If they back off, you can do whatever you want; heal, throw spell, beast roar, whatever. If they roll through it, a standing jump R2 will nail anybody who does a rolling attack into you. And obviously this is all in addition to whatever else your build can do since this is literally all just a consumable with negligible FP cost that doesn't cost any weight or weapon slots. It's like having permanent access to a second ash of war with insane damage. Of course, since you can only have 7 of them at a time, you don't win a war of attrition in invasions, but I've found that typically I only ever use 2 or 3 per duel, and the most I've ever used in an invasion was 6. Any Dex build benefits from this if you can stomach farming perfumer's grotto every now and then.
I'm sorry Scott, but all I can think of when I see this armor set with how the arms are held out is "Mom said it's my turn on the Xbox."
Bloodhound step is WHAT??? scott?? It’s 2022…. You know better girl
2:20 Brass shield is the best medium shield for blocking, it's one of the ones that gives you max guard boost with barricade shield. I'm more interested in the fact that he opened with a glintstone pebble ash of war. I've been kind of wondering if it can be used in PvP, but it feels a bit to slow.
Because the glintstone pebble AoW is a two-step process actually. The second attack is a long range stabbing lunge. And if you hit the initial glintstone pebble, it can combo into the lunge. You end up having a safe-ish ranged option that can hit-confirm into a shitload of damage. I'm not sure that it is 100% guaranteed, but from what I have seen, it is pretty consistent.
remember people, if poise gets nerfed too hard than a good chunk of weapons will become unuseable due to lack of hyper armour. i won't personally care, but i can see the pool of good weapons shrinking pretty hard.
Hyper armor is in the game too especially on certain AoW.
@@momoirobara959 that'd be the AoW that's effective, not the weapon.
@@thehumanstunlock7588 why not just give heavier weapons more hyper armor? it’s like the situation with bleed, no one wants to see bleed builds be useless same as no one wants heavier weapons be always interrupted, but when a single pair r1 can instableed or a katana can poise through a straightsword and kill there’s a problem.
@@nostalgicactuator8448 heavy weapons are fine where they are, you're thinking wide-spread nerfs, i'm thinking more specific nerfs to the problem weapons specifically, moonveil being one of two potential candidates, or, maybe buff straight swords, wouldn't fix the fact that katanas in a japanse game are gonna be strong, or that everything below greatsword-class don't have hyper armour, but as it stands, what i'm hearing is that straight swords are too weak, and katanas have too much killing power, poise wasn't the issue to begin with and neither where heavier weapons.
Love this vids Scott. Hope you're enjoying the new patch.
Really glad they nerfed things that could be countered like Hoarfrost and left bleed alone. Being stun locked and instant killed more often has never been more fun! At least I can dodge a Moonveil. At least I can jump over a Hoarfrost. I can roll through a spell. Because of From's terrible netcode theres is NO counterplay to being bleed rushed by double Scavenger's Curved Swords. Truely a game less balanced then DbD.
Just going to say this as it's my favourite weapon the blade of calling with high faith and +10 with the holy attack increase in psykick can do nearly 2000 damage with its weapon art should give it ago
18:30 They buffed it because it was underperforming in PvE. They aren't going to be nerfing things based around duels since they have 600~800k players who are mostly focused on PvE, and if PvP, invasions, which an invader needs things to hit hard to burst people down since less dmg in a 3 v 1 setting is going to favor the the gank squad way more. The things they nerfed, Hoarfrost and Bloodslash, while okay in PvP, were early game weapon arts that crushed PvE. They basically nerfed the things speed runners were using to trivialize PvE. Everything else was just a bug fix really. I don't think they made even one change with the mindset of trying to balance damage in context to trying to slow down duels. I really don't think they are ever going to do that. Maybe they will put an arena in a DLC that has reduced dmg while in it though. But, yeah, If there isn't some way for them to reduce player dmg on players specifically, I don't think they are touching any of these things because they want things that are strong in PvE to still be strong, and just wanted to nip a few easy to get outliers that were targeted due to speedrunners making it very apparent how above the curve they were for early PvE acquisitions. Elden Ring very well could be the route of Demons Souls when it comes to PvP, in which, there is just a lot of powerful things to choose from. People are just going to have to adapt most likely.
they definitely acknowledge PVP too. hell you cant even death blight most enemies in the game. the fix was solely for players
@@ScottJund Yeah, that falls under bugs, which they are going to fix major bugs like that regardless if it's prevalent in PvP or not. They called it a bug too. It wasn't a nerf for the sake of slower dueling. Although, it certainly was a bug that could be abused in invasions and such, as the developers clearly didn't intend for players to abuse a bugged interaction to passively put Death Blight on others. The point is though, none of the changes were done for the sake of nerfing things in general to slow down the pace for dueling PvP, and that's because of what I explained in this comment. This is not a game where they are going to nerf things in the game overall for the specific purpose of adhering to an arbitrary preference that some people doing duels may want.
The reason that was done to an extent in a game like, say, DS3, was because the game was further into its lifespan and most of the people still playing were heavily focused in on dueling. It's a completely different scenario for Elden Ring. Like, I'm not sure if people in the niche dueling community truly understand how small of a community it is compared to the overwhelming number of people who are playing Elden Ring. It's nothing like previous Souls games. PvE is going to be their main concern for buff/nerf decisions for quite sometime. And, even when they do look at PvP matters, I can all but assure you that they will be looking at invasions far before they look at vague ideas of dueling balance. It wouldn't make sense for them not to from their perspective. Not to mention, people aren't exactly unified in what they want either. This is not going to be treated like some sort of competitive PvP game, because it couldn't be further from that, and the PvP, fundamentally speaking, in this game, is not meant to fulfill that purpose.
This has been the case for sometime truly, but it's really becoming apparent with Elden Ring. Just for a vague example, you have many people who preferred DS2 PvP vs those who preferred DS3 PvP, which, those preferences are not compatible with one another in regard to how either group would prefer seeing the direction dueling balance would go. I could also mention that people are not going to agree on just one PvP meta range either. This is much less of an issue though than many people are treating it (literally have seen and even experienced harassment over this), as multiple PvP ranges coexisting has been a thing for quite sometime now. In DS2, just for example, you had tournaments that were both 150 oriented and 120 oriented. Even in DS1, some people preferred PvPing at 100, and it wasn't uncommon to find fight clubs at that range even though 120 was the more common 'meta' pvp level for the game. People would just have multiple characters at different ranges to be at different ranged events. It's not exactly a new concept. I'm not sure why exactly it's become such a heated tribal talking point, but I have a few theories... But, I'll digress on that. I've clarified my point already.
that buffed charged R2 should come out right away and last until you let go. Would make it at least usable
Not being able to break through poise in one hit with most weapons is a good reason to have a lower meta level. Right now I'm testing level 100 and I still feel like I have everything I could ever want.
bleed should be changed into it procing for whatever damage it does, then have a poison-like effect where you slowly lose HP and the bar just goes lower, instead of being able to proc it multiple times imo :- )
Have you tried out the pike? its probably my favorite weapon to use so far
I think poise gets much more manageable if different attacks from weapons had more varying levels of stagger. like R2s should have a more significant effect on poise than R1s, then spacing and stuff actually becomes a lot more reasonable.
that actually is how it works. unfortunately you can easily get so much poise you just go way above all those breakpoints
@@ScottJund yeah, maybe just allow those attacks to always ignore poise? idk, like I feel like small weapons are unusable without poise and vs poise if their weapon does more damage. :/
You should try the Guardian Swordspear next, it's a lot of fun and has a unique moveset for halberds. I like to run double slash on it, but I don't doubt there are other, more busted, ashes of war for it as well.
Farmed one last night. Even tho it was on my strength build made it heavy with royals knights resolve and I was one shotting 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fucking love that weapon
block talisman plus turtle talisman then block the first attack of the opponents combo and hit them right after, so you dont need poise
On newgame+ I was thinking of doing a faith build so excited to watch this!
I recommend the coiled sword it scales only with faith
for bh step + poise you can sort of counter it with the glintstone pebble weapon art. Does really high damage and inflicts heavy stagger, which garuntees a followup from the WA. On my 120 caster I was able to do 1700 damage after the patch after catching someone with it and landing the followup. The obvious downside is it's kind of slow but you will fucking obliterate people that try to just force trades and aren't paying attention
If you're looking for a weapon with more range for next video, check out the pike! It feels super nice in this game.
He already uploaded a pike max poise video.
@@preekja has he? I cant seem to find it. Are you maybe mistaking the glaive for the pike or am i just blind lol
If you're on PS, I will gladly hand you my extra armor.
Which is everything.
The counter to bloodhound step into melee attack is Wrath of Gold. You're welcome
What's the general consensus on the new weapon classes pvp-wise (flails, greatspears, heavy thrusting swords, etc)?
flails useless, greatspears and heavy thrusting swords quite good
@@ScottJund I think the great epee is really good. Can’t poise running r2. Shield poke hits as hard as lance and can shield poke poise tankers and get out. Has un parry able attack which is unique to weapon if you charge r2 and hit back step. Disgusting r2 range. Leo ring.
Jumping attacks do more shield stability damage than normal attacks
This is why we can equips multiple weapons
Would love to see a full caster with 30/30 faith int so you can use some of the weird shit too
Honestly I wish this game had more like DS2 PvP. I had over 300 hours on PvP alone on just one character alone. DS2 PvP had its bullshit, but I could use my fists against a warped sword and still had a decent chance. Most the weapons were viable and there were so many unique builds that I could run into or create. Elden Ring’s PvP seems to just be “what did the RUclipsrs make?”
Brass Shield at +25 has 69 Guard Boost
Literally the Black Knight Shield from Ds3, but slightly lighter (0.5 difference) and it has less strength requirements.
I get that Fingerprint Greatshield is super OP, but so was Havels Greatshield? Which doesn't make sense, since all the tryhards and wannabe tryhards would use the Black Knight Shield since it had lower requirements, weight and still had really good resists.
So why is everyone using the Fingerprint Shield?
Thanks, Mom
Also could you try to make a video where you use the great sword without the bloodhounds step and not abuse the crouch r1? Curious to see just how it holds up
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Dude you just bully these kids LOL keep up the great videos. They’re very entertaining! Much love ❤️
Sadie for how you where feeling man hope you feel better now
Solid content, I've peen interested in PvP and now I really want to test myself
If my weapon is +12 can I still get matched with meta level 120ish ppl?
Btw, you only need about 115 poise for pvp I believe. Anything more is a waste in endurance
Love mom at the end