Quran has thirty versions!! | Waseem Razvi | Australia | Debate | QnA
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2024
- “Quran has 30 versions” claims Australian Christian Missionary!
Questioner raised below points:
- There is more than One Quran!
- Yasir Qadhi said there are gaps in the preservation/narrative of Quran
- Australian Christian researcher Dr Bernie Power claims there are 30 versions of the Quran
*Waseem Razvi responds by schooling Dr Bernie Power’s delusional research claims
The Great Australian Debate: ‘Is Bible A Divine Revelation?’
Is Bible A Divine Revelation -- Prof Keith Piper vs Waseem Razvi
ruclips.net/user/livevOEw0720MGc
Feel free to share the above RUclips link with your Muslim and Christian friends to find out the truth by the Will of Allah.
Above video is part of the full debate
Speakers:
Christian Speaker - Professor Keith Piper
Muslim Speaker - Waseem Razvi
Location: Sydney, Australia
Topic: ‘Is Bible A Divine Revelation?’
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Peace, these different Qira'aths of Quran has words with different meanings but yet Muslims say that it is completely preserved.
Not just that but on top of it, Muslims say that God revealed this to his messenger with different Qira'aths, in other words God and his messenger intentionally allowed to corrupt Quran by including different Qira'aths that has words with totally different meanings.
Now, explain how we don't have different versions of the Quran today? Thanks
@@LoveFire
Usually when someone doesn’t know Arabic language at all, they end up raising this question.
Even the staunchest opponents of Islam at the time of the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) did not question the several recitals of the QURAN becz they knew in Arabic language there are different ways to pronounce/recite same words.
1) First and foremost, Quran’s structure is only 1, I.e. 114 Surah/Chapters, which can be recited in 7 different dialects
Version would mean there is another Quran with 112 chapters or 116 chapters. But which isn’t the case unlike the Bible which has several versions such as 66 book Protestant Bible, 73 book Catholics Bible and 78 book orthodox Bible……
2) What is recital?
‘Recital’ has several connotations, where either pronunciation may change or alphabets may change or word may change or figure of speech may change (direct quote to indirect speech), but in all cases the essence of the message doesn’t change rather remains exactly the same.
3) The most important point is this: all these 7 dialects (which were then composed into combinations resulting in 10 recitals) were revealed to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) & he recited, memorised and taught his companions all these 7 dialects (recitals), which is continued till this day.
4) These 7 dialects have been made into 10 combinations, which is referred as Qira’ats (recitals). All these are simply dialects but all revealed to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) as ONE Quran which he taught, memorised, and recited to his companions, which is preserved as it is till this day.
@@DAWAHTALK-Media Peace, thanks for your time. I thought you are a knowledgeable person and would understand my argument without getting into some details but let me help you here.
1. First and foremost, we cannot use the example of different number of books from Christians to understand the definition of "Version". Even a slight change in the book, marks it as changed, Updated or even as a different version.
2. The problem is that I am not talking about the words that are giving same essence to the message, but I am talking about the words that are totally different in meanings. I will help you with this at the end.
3. You are confirming again that God and his messenger intentionally allowed to corrupt the book by having different recitations and also having words that are different in meanings.
4. Read my point 3.
When we say that a book has "changed," it can mean different things depending on the context:
1. Textual alteration: The actual words, phrases, or verses within the text have been modified, added, or removed. This could be due to various factors like scribal errors, intentional revisions, or transmission variations.
2. Interpretation or translation: The understanding or rendering of the text's meaning has shifted over time, perhaps due to changing historical contexts, linguistic nuances, or theological perspectives.
3. Contextual revaluation: The book's significance, importance, or relevance is reassessed, potentially leading to a reexamination of its contents, message, or application.
4. Physical modification: The physical appearance or presentation of the book has changed, such as a new edition, translation, or formatting.
Now I will give you an example from different recitals to confirm each change.
1.1. Textual alteration for Modification: I will use the same verse that you mentioned in the video which is Chapter 1 verse 4. The word "مالك" is recited in 21 different ways including the 7 Qira'aths according to the Islamic sources. So, reciting a word in different way mark it as modified or changed linguistically.
1.2 Textual alteration for removal or addition: In Hafs canonical method the word "هُوَ" in Chapter 57 verse 24 is added but in Warsh canonical method, this word is totally removed.
2. Interpretation or translation: In chapter 5 verse 6 there are two different words are used for an action on the feet. In Hafs canonical method the word the word "أَرْجُلَكُمْ" is used which in English it is translated as "wash" but in Douri canonical method the word "أَرْجُلِكُمْ" is used which is translated as "wipe" giving us different interpretation and meanings.
3. Contextual revaluation: In chapter 30 verse 2, we get different contextual interpretations in which one is, "The Romans have conquered" and the other is "The Romans will be defeated". You will say that the first interpretation is rejected by the scholars that came later in the history. You can take those scholars as your criterion, no problem.
4. Physical modification: All the examples of 1.1, 1.2, 2, and 3 are gone through this modification.
This proves that we have different versions of the Quran, and it has been changed or updated/modified.
If you say that these Qira'ath are revealed by God to his messenger, then again in other words God and his messenger made the Quran to be changed, modified and corrupted at first place.
@@LoveFireThis is just a big false premise, While we are literally saying that all the 7 "ahrufs" not qirat are revealed by the Allah to Muhammad ﷺ, You go on to make a false premise that Muhammad ﷺ changed the Qur'an or made to be changed, I mean what the heck are you talking about here?
Maybe you couldn't understand the 2nd time, I'll tell you a 3rd time, Allah himself revealed the Qur'an in 7 different " *ahrufs* " not qirats, And all the acceptable qirats are from those 7 *ahrufs* and have a chain of narration going back to Muhammad ﷺ and whatever Muhammad ﷺ said is from Allah because we are not the one who's saying Muhammad ﷺ changed the Qur'an but you did, and whichever qirats doesn't follow this chain is not acceptable, You can have 100 different types of reading if you want to but if they don't have the isnaad going back to Muhammad ﷺ then you are wrong, You just can't use this as an argument that Muhammad ﷺ or we changed the Qur'an or it sent by Allah to be changed when we have the evidence that all 7 " *ahrufs* " are from Allah and Allah made them that way, it's your fault that you believe Qur'an has only revealed in one " *ahruf* " or can only have one qirat, When Allah said "we will protect the dikhr" he's talking about all the " *ahrufs* " included.
So please stop with your fallacious attempts and then beg the question. Are you a Hadith rejector? If you are then that explains a lot.
@@dailydoseofexistence7159 Peace, sorry but you didn't even understand what my premise is.
My premise is not that I am claiming that God and his messenger gave us the corrupt Quran.
What I claim is that based on the Islamic data about different Ahrufs and Qira'aths confirms that
God and his messenger gave us not one book but books that consist of different dialects and recitations and not only that, but these recitations/dialects come with words that are totally different in meanings as I have given some examples above.
You are welcome to ignore that and stick to your blind belief.
What I claim is that Quran was in Arabic with only one recitation and dialect. There was only one version of this Book with no possibility of making it to be otherwise like adding different dialects and recitations. The idea of different dialects and recitations came due to different cultures and regions and also due to political power. Every community tried to give priority to his dialect and style to be included in God's book (I mean why not).
For example, today if I want to make a standard language out of different dialects then every community of each dialect will try to prioritize itself and the one that has the political power will be prioritized the most. If there are communities that are hard to put down even with political power, then the safe decision will be to include them too by accepting their dialects as 2nd standard language and so on.
It is actually a good tactic used by the Sunnis to put all the blame on God and his messenger so, they don't have to deal with it intellectually. They make up things and then falsely authenticate them by God and his messenger using secondary sources, so that they can include things that are specific to their language, culture, and region.
There is no way for you to get rid of this problem except that you put the blame on God and his messenger himself.
The reasons.why many people memorize the entire qur an, is to avoid being corrupted
And it’s one of the miracles that so many people are able to memorise the entire Quran while Arabic isn’t their spoken language
Wht do do with memerized ?? When u dont know the Allah ..
@@youttb I think you need English classes
@@tansimnoor5325 do u remember How Allah created adam nd eve with chronology 🤣🤣🤣? /
@@youttbcry more
Bless the guy asking the question, seemed genuinely interested. What a nice and clear answer by the speaker as well
Ameen
Jazakallah khair
But still i have some doubts on qurans authenticity
@@parthasarathi3379 research it, there's nothing to hide, if it isn;t authentic many people will find faults in it. But i'd suggest reading from both muslim and non muslim sources to have a rounded understanding. If you still have Qs after that, ask someone of knowledge.
@@ramtilaakchintu8863 i have a simple doubt... But no one clarified it..
@@ramtilaakchintu8863 how can we say quran is only one book... Bcuz it was compiled after prophet death
_The meaning of the sentence remains the same, only the dialect differs according to the 7 tribes at that time, however, all 7 dialects are accepted and mutually agreed upon, there is no issue._
Thanks for the point, very clear Mashallah
The 7 Ahruf are not just limited to dialects.. they also got to do with facilitating and complementing the meaning etc, thus I call them 7 Modes instead of dialects.
@@T.T.T416Ahruf that were burned were in written form.
The Oral ahruf were still passed from generation to generation thus we have them today.
Othman RA wanted to standardize Quran in 1 book and not have different parts with different people mixed with hadith etc.
So he ordered all peoples written parts be burned including Ahruf.
@@T.T.T416 No he did something genius.
Different people had different parts of the Quran. Sometimes parts thinking they had it fully. Also different hadiths were written in the same sheets. So they would mix hadith and Quran which is Allahs word.
To prevent this they were all called forward to cross check each verse and to write them down seperately into the Quran and Hadith books.
It was to protect the texts. Next to that oral tradition protects the Quran.
Quran cannot be destroyed.
@@T.T.T416no, Hazrat Uthman gave a good decision to burn it.
It's maybe like 2 reporters recieving the same report, one an Englishman and one an American. One will write honor and one will write honour.
No the meaning is changed, some places it says "me" instead of "he" etc
@@an9l1c1sm6 the overall context remains the same
@@an9l1c1sm6 different meaning but the message is inline
The example given by the speaker:
- owner of the day of judgement
- king/master of the day of judgement
No structural change, only pronunciation variation
@@XiangnuKhaan false
Fair question beautifully answered.
The Christians have been saying this for centuries but now when koran is being discovered as not quite perfectly preserved now you're copying the answer from the Christians 😂
@@feduntuthe Quran is perfectly preserved, even these so called “variants”, we have irrefutable evidence that they came from the Prophet ﷺ himself. So not only did we preserve the Quran, we preserved all its modes of recitation as well.
Allah has promised in the Quran that he will preserve it.
@@azizsafudin dude you just posted your comment and already I see one like are you seriously that desperate to like your own comment?
@@azizsafudin exactly, Allah has promised he will preserve it, not Uthman, so why then did Uthman burn down korans? And how do you know you have the right one when 3 out of the 4 scribes of mo had theirs burnt by Uthman and countless verses missing, for example 200 verses missing from surah 33 alone
@@feduntu do u really think when it says "Allah preserved" means that Allah swt himself will hold the book and protect it???
if ur narrow minded I can't blame u, cuz everyone memorizing the quran is one of Allah swt ways of showing how it is persevered. that's why it's a miracle which u dont understand apparently
No offence but some Christians are sooo desperate to find any fault with the Quran and because of this inability to do so frustrate them and make them hostile to anything Islamic.
Don't think of it that way. Think of it as their first exposure to the truth.
@@XEQTIONRZ Yes but that's why I said some. Some are genuinely seeking the truth but alot are out not for the truth but to fault find because they are conditioned to do so.
@@rakumafireball1640Think about it they have over 100s of Christian apologists on RUclips and their topic of discussion never changes 7 days a week let’s bash Islam,Muslims. They never preach their own religion.
@@rakumafireball1640they are the EASIEST to deal with brother. I’ve stopped debating Christians 31 years ago, when brother Ahmad Deedat was still at it. I had 9 DIFFERENT versions of the bible at one stage, studied them well before deciding to debate with Christians.
Furthermore, re those Christians you’ve alluded to, it’s as simple as this brother; Islam is NOT for sale, i.e. you (whomever the opponent of Islam might be), is not doing Islam a favour by embracing it, rather, it’s 100% the other way around. We both know that, guidance comes from Allah (swt), for He knows well what’s hidden in the hearts of men, so for me, those type of Christians you’ve referred to, receive one single word from me (if I was still debating/discussing religion), and that one word (as the Holy Qur’an instructed us when we meet the ill intentioned ignorant other), is PEACE ✌️!
Maybe Christians are hostile because Muhammad took Christian slaves. Maybe it's because the Quran says to kill people who change their religion. Maybe it's because if you go to Egypt, Armenia, or Indonesia you'll hear about Muslims killing Christians en masse in response to their call to Jihad...
The brother asking the question if not Muslim yet, will embrace Islam, of that I am certain... Aameen
InshaAllah
Ameen
No he will not. Why are you spewing nonsense.
@@alexislopez9355
What’s non-sense in it?
Simply wishing and hoping for a person to accept truth !
No he won’t. A lot of people know the lies Muslims tell to attract others. Muslims lie a lot.
@@alexislopez9355 , rather make duah than saying he will not..
the answer dont matter to haters
Mashallah as a mulism even me I learned new thing today
There is absolutely nothing that the Christians can compare with us in this regard.
1. Qur'an written by the scribes of Muhammad(saw). No scribes for Jesus(as).
2. Qur'an compiled by the earliest companions of Muhammad(saw). Some of the authors of the NT never even met Jesus(as) and the compilation was done by the church fathers who lived centuries later.
3. Qur'an was also memorized end to end by early Muslims. There was no memorization of the NT
4. We have the manuscript of the whole Qur'an except something like 2 folios within the first 100 years. There are hardly any manuscripts available of the Bible in the first century.
5. Qur'an transmitted in the original language verbatim as it was revealed. Early NT translations are not in Aramaic, the language of Jesus(as).
Thanks brother
Very pressing points mentioned , I am sure christians would struggle to respond to these
Mashallah , May Allah reward you
Jazakallah khair
No scribes for JESUS ? 😂😂😂😂apostles left the chats
@@fluxnekta There is no evidence in the Bible of any scribe taking notes from Jesus(as) during his ministry. Mark, Paul and Luke were not apostles. The author of John is certainly not the Baptist John. He is an unknown person and wrote the gospel much later. The tax collector Matthew is the one you can argue could've been a scribe. But again no specific evidence of that and the book that is attributed to Matthew has many prophesies of OT falsely fitted to Jesus(as).
@@muhammedsuhail5273you are a comedian bro … when was this accounts written and when was the accounts in the Quran resent down as per what Allah has already send down before since there’s no book like the Quran ? 900 years later the a positive writes accounts from people who were alive and met with JESUS the early manuscript was about 30 years after the death and resurrection of JESUS when was your Quran canonised ? 1924 in Egypt how many years after the 40 to 30 years revelation? Do the math tell me one thing that was revealed in the Quran that was not sourced from the bible or folklore and was twisted by the Quran like the infancy gospel of JESUS or story of Abraham wanting to sacrifice Issac tell me one or hi am story in the Quran
@@fluxnekta Bro, don't even get into the manuscripts, your Bible manuscripts have more mismatches than there are verses in the Bible. As for Qur'an canonized in 1924, just lol, go get a 6 volume Tafsir of Imam Razi in the 12th century, and it has explanations for all the verses of the Quran we read today, word for word and even the variants. As I said, you Christians have absolutely nothing over us in this matter.
Is the story of Khidr and Moses in the Bible or any folklore ? No. As for twisting verses, I'm glad Qur'an did it, here are 4 examples of them.
1. Exodus 31:17 "..in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He RESTED and was REFRESHED."
Qur'an 50:38 "And We did certainly create the heavens and earth and what is between them in six days, and there touched Us NO WEARINESS."
2) Genesis 6:6 "And the LORD was SORRY that He had made man on the earth, and He was GRIEVED in His heart."
Qur'an 20:52 "..My Lord neither errs nor forgets."
3) Exodus 20:5 "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a JEALOUS God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me"
Qur'an 14:8 "And Moses said, If you and everyone on the earth turn to disbelief, know that God is Self-sufficient and Praiseworthy."
Qur'an 6:164 "Say, ‘Should I seek a Lord other than God, when He is the Lord of all things?’ Each soul is responsible for its own actions; no soul will bear the burden of another. You will all return to your Lord in the end, and He will tell you the truth about your differences."
4) Psalm 78:65 "Then the Lord AWAKED AS ONE OUT OF SLEEP, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine."
Qur'an 2:255 "..Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep"
This white man raised a subject on various "version" of the Quran using Qiraat (pronounciation) as a basis for the differences. There is only one Quran since it was revealed and indeed what we have now is still the original as during the prophet Mohammad time. Qiraat is actually pronounciation style based on the dialect of arab tribes. The writings and the content of the Quran is still the same. Similarly, there are people still got confused with the "translation" style to the "version" of the Quran as they tried to make Quran to be corrupted as the Bible. This is insane
My friend studied Qiraat at college in yemen and i swear it is one of the craziest thing ever. Not only he this guy memorizes the Quran, but he also memorized the the alfiyyah of Qiraat Mutawatir, Maqbul, and Syadz (and that is 7 mutawatir, 3 maqbul and 4 syadz making it all 14). And the coolest thing is one of his sheikh is a BLIND person that memorizes ALL THAT TOO BUT HE IS BLIND HOWW UGH SO CRAZY
That’s how intense is the preservation of the Quran MashaAllah
May Allah bless you and your friend who has dedicated his life in preserving the quran
Perfect explanation. cant say more than that. Thank you.
A beautiful explanation. Peace and blessings from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰.
MashaAllah from Srilanka!
May Allah bless you and all the amazing people of srilanka
The problem is that these scholars explain and give examples from their Arabic understanding to explain kiraats. He could have just simply said this is like how tomato can be pronounced as toe-mah-toe or te-may-toe.
As muslim i ever read hafs, warsh and tahajood, and yes they have different punctution but they all have 100% same letter and same pronounciation, in my country as non arabic we add some punctution to make it easy to read, and create same pronounciation without change letter, for me hafs is the most easy to read for non arabic people
The man-God worshipper wasn't there to learn, only to cause doubt and conflate the Qur'an's history with the Bible's history, as if they were somehow both in doubt. No, we're not in doubt of the Quran. We are in doubt over the Bibles ( the 66 book version, 73 book version, 80 book version, 88 book version, etc, etc, etc )
Very true
There is absolutely nothing that the Christians can compare with us in this regard.
1. Qur'an written by the scribes of Muhammad(saw). No scribes for Jesus(as).
2. Qur'an compiled by the earliest companions of Muhammad(saw). Some of the authors of the NT never even met Jesus(as) and the compilation was done by the church fathers who lived centuries later.
3. Qur'an was also memorized end to end by early Muslims. There was no memorization of the NT
4. We have the manuscript of the whole Qur'an except something like 2 folios within the first 100 years. There are hardly any manuscripts available of the Bible in the first century.
5. Qur'an transmitted in the original language verbatim as it was revealed. Early NT translations are not in Aramaic, the language of Jesus(as).
Masha ALLAH very nice reply
legend!
Good one
English whether Australian, British or American conveys the same meaning and that's the difference in pronunciation not the meaning itself. A different Qirat is just like that. Meaning remains the same but pronunciation changes.
Salaam from the truganina community Br Waseem ❤
Walaikum as salam brother
MashaAllah you too must be from truganina community Alhamdulillah
It always hurts my brain when non Muslims that have literally no clue about Arabic let alone Quranic Arabic try to debate Muslims on the preservation of the Quran. Most Christians know that their book has so many translations, re translations, re re retranslations, variants, errrors, countless of contradictions and passages that either added in later *either intentionally or unintentionally* which had to be taken out centuries later 🤦🏾♂️
Ok challenge!!!
Surah 37:12 hafs 1924 edition AJIPTU _"you (mhmd) wondered"_
Surah 37:12 Al-Doori edition AJIPTA _"I (Allah) wondered"_
Who is the wonderer of surah 37:12?
Wondering isn't one of Allah's attributes.
@@alisikander not according to Al-Doori and Khalaf and a few other korans
That answers very well.
Jazakallah khair
Mashallah what a beautiful response.
This Yasir Qadi had done more damage to Muslims of NA than any other group.
its not differnet Quran its different accents or dialect....its like one bible using UK English and other using Australian accents and the othe use American English or Scottisg accents English. THE MEANING ADN THE MASSAGE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
This is also a fact prophet Muhammad pbuh couldn't read or write but knew soooo much things we are just finding out.
Just a quick question- no meaning is changed between the dialects?
as I understood some words punctuation was changed but it didn't changed the meaning or context of each words, right?
Yes that’s right it doesn’t change the meaning or context at all
Just as some words may have more than one meaning, similarly some meanings can have more than one word as their description;
hence even if synonyms are used, it doesn’t change the essence of the meaning at all
Here is a brief response that Waseem Razvi wrote for another similar query, hopefully it adds more insight to your question:
‘Recital’ has several connotations, where either
- pronunciation may change or
- alphabets may change or
- word may change (with synonym) or
- figure of speech may change (direct quote to indirect speech),
but in all cases the essence of the message doesn’t change rather remains exactly the same.
The most important point is this: all these 7 dialects (which were then composed into combinations resulting in 10 recitals) were revealed to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) & he recited, memorised and taught his companions all these 7 dialects (recitals), which is continued till this day.
So Quran’s structure is only 1, I.e. 114 Surah/Chapters, which can be recited in 7 different dialects
These 7 dialects have been made into 10 combinations, which is referred as Qira’ats (recitals) and all these were related , taught by Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)
@@DAWAHTALK-Media so that case each dialects meanings have to taken from each ayat separately or have to use different ayat I mean previous one or the next one of any particular ayats?
Simply put how much changes between meaning of each words changes in those cases or just different word but each word retains the same meanings?
@@hilmyakatsuki1665 No, there are examples of meanings changing.
@@an9l1c1sm6 :) sorry but no, there arent.
Brilliant answer.
Jazakallah khair
This is an excellent response. The Quran is truly the only perfectly preserved Gods word, preserved for 1400 years. What, these people pull numbers out of their behinds.
True that Quran is the only religious scripture preserved in its original language and format for 1400 years Alhamdulillah
The best explanation I’ve ever heard
Jazakallah khair
May Allah accept from all of us and guide us to the truth
@@DAWAHTALK-Mediacopy and paste arguments from Christians
MAY ALLAH'S CURSE BE UPON THE LIARS AND DECEIVERS.
@@SaifDevdas Ameen
Correction, the tribes dialects are a mix of those dialects.. there is more than 7 tribes in Arabia but their tongues are common in those 7 dialects.
You can say those all fall under the Arabic tongue..
It should be 7 variants (in dialect & wording) think of it like an official remixes for an audible sound book
The standard Quran is Quraish dialect, Since all variations reached us compiled in qira’át we have lost NOTHING of the revelation.
As for the merits:
None will feel excluded from the Arabs for having a different dialect.
Those whom felt the recitation is heavy will find ease in what was revealed with their dialect (eases up memorization)
Having extra variants preserves the meaning from distortion (تثبتوا | تبينوا) after the expansion of Islam. (Those in modern times whom had different meanings for Arabic words can't misinterpret)
You can remix to create recitations depending on those 7 variants, therefore what we have today are the most popular recitations known as qira’át!
It should be noted we separate Hadith & Quran by Isnad (Chain of narration) & not the content.
The most annoying thing about this question, is that the questioner doesn't realize that it is 7x the miracle to preserve not just 1 Recitation, but 7...and all of them codified like a science and an art - where they cannot even - until today agree on what verse should or should not exist in the Bible.
😂😂😂😂
kid you dont know this but we know
Sheikh giving Zakir Naik vibes
alhamdulillah
This i bear witness the uniqueness and authenticity of the Holly Qur'an that it came from no one but Allah and He preserved it for All times or periods to come until the day of Judgement. This show the miraculous nature of the Quran and proved to us that Allah exist and His true book no one can change it meaning because He wish all Human who has 5 common sense or who think very well to believe in The Qur'an and Believe in the power and existence of Allah that He Allah is one true God and that the Holly Quran is a testament against any form of disbelieve and there is no middle way to this. ALLAHU AKBIR.
MashaAllah well said brother
Masya Allah, brother wasim. Allaahumma baarik. May Allah protect him always, Amin.
Ameen
Jazakallah khair
Why did Uttman burn all the other Korans? Why was the Koran only officially authorised in Saudi in 1985?
1985? 😂😂😂😂😅😅😅
He says there are 7 dialects considered in the recitations of the Quran, but then he says there are memorisers that memorise all the 10 recitations. So which is it, 7 or 10?
There are 7 dialects (Ahroof) which are recited in combination of 10 recitals (Qira’at)
You have 7 harfs by combining them you get qiraat
There is one Quran. It is interesting that this guy believes what he wants to believe
Yes there's one Qur’an revealed down in 7 modes which the 10 canonical recitation styles are emerged from.
Why do you care so much.
Asa-Would you please change the title? It’s misleading
Masya Allah. Pintar
30 versions or 30 chapters???
It’s a false accusation by some anti-Muslim preachers that Quran has more than one version
Especially by Christians who aren’t able to respond to several biblical versions query (66 book Bible of Protestants, 73 book Bible of Catholics and 78 book Bible of orthodox)
So they try raise a false accusation against quran in their desperation, and end up saying there’s 2 Qurans or 10 or 30!
Fact of the matter is, there’s only One Quran with 114 chapters, written, memorised, recited and printed across the world for last 1400 years.
This ONE QURAN is refutable in 10 ways, which we call as Qira’aat, it doesn’t change number of verses or number of chapters of the Quran - so there’s no version as such
Just because some one can write the word color as ‘color’ or ‘colour’, it doesn’t mean there are two different books :)
Hope the Christians can be honest in their observations and claims
May Allah guide them to the truth
At the end he's comparing Surah Nas but correcting Surah Falaq. 😅😅😅
Fair catch :)
I guess both Surah has that same point, so I guess slip of the tongue :)
Brother Waseem how can I contact you? I am trying to start giving D’awah here in Sweden and I need experts’ help in this. Please help me.
JazakaAllah.
MashaAllah great to hear that you are working on giving Dawah, May Allah make you a source of guidance for many.
Kindly send email to info@ireaworld.org and Br Waseem or one of the team members shall reply to you InshaAllah
@@DAWAHTALK-Media Thank you, I have sent an email via Yahoo.
MashaAllah superb presentation
For the sincere interested christians who are able to search and accept the truth of the bible. I dont want christians who are going to debate the current bible. Please if you really want the truth about the gospels, look to the research of Bart Erhman and Bruce Metzger. If you see the histological truth and prove and you really can accept that. Then we can argue.
Fair ask
The Christians are now trying to figh back!!😂😂😂
They can plot and plan but Allah is the Best of Planners.
✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️
The quran is the same since 647A.D. / 650A.D. it's already researched scientifically. There are no errors, it's exactly the same as in the beginning.
That’s not true. It’s not the same. We’ve seen many copies with different meaning. And it’s not scientifically proven your oldest copies are different.
@@ashs5710 It's true. Search the youtube video about "Scholar paid 2 million to investigate the qoran" and you will see it. You are a liar.
@@ashs5710 I don't understand why RUclips always deletes my comment. It seems that they can't stand the truth. A Dutch scholar got paid 2 million to investigate this. It is scientifical researched and there are no errors since that date. So what you are saying is not true. A really stupid comment.
Two problems:
1. How can the scribes be so nonchalant about Quran and writing sessions so as to end up assuming that "theirs is the complete version"
2. Why did ibn abi sarh turn an apostate and why did the prophet want him killed but othman saved him?
y'all my brothers and sisters, please save the link to this video because you guys have no idea how many disbelievers you will meet in the comment section of different religious videos attacking the same issue over and over again.🤣
Interesting considering Uthman destroyed all the other copies that HE deemed not genuine. No council, no conversation, just 1 man. Sounds suss to me.
you don't know anything......
I am from a Muslim country. From a young age we were taught that in the history of collecting the Qur'an into an official book, Uthman formed a team to book the Qur'an consisting of Zaid bin Thabit, Abdullah bin Zubair, Sa'id bin Ash, and Abdurrahman bin Harith bin Hisham.
@@sentotalkacili7407 so you’ve been indoctrinated into believing possibly?
Wow wonderful 👏 amazing 😊
Muslim leaders keep lying to their members 😂. Lots of mental gymnastics in his answers 😅
Awww :)
Would have been good if you respond to the topic being discussed instead of making an emotionally charged comment (most likely out of frustration looking at the strength of Islam and Muslims)
@@DAWAHTALK-Media The strength of Islam? Hahahaha 😂. You should see the rate of apostasy in Islamic countries. Even Saudi Arabia. But going back to the question, do all the different readings mean the same thing? The answer is no. So which one did so called Allah reveal?
@@dab500
Good try dear :)
1) Would have been good if you commented after watching the answer, then you wouldn’t have asked a laughable question :)
Anyway here is a brief response for newbies:
Quran is one (114 chapters),
recited in 10 ways, all revealed by Allah to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh).
He recited in all different ways of recitation and memorised and made companions memorise in all 10 different recitals.
With no change in meaning whatsoever from one recital to another
2) as for rate of apostasy in Islamic countries, if it was increasing , Muslim numbers and ratio would definitely be decreasing but that’s not the case. Instead in non-Muslim countries Islam is the fastest growing religion - I wonder why !
@@DAWAHTALK-Media I watched the entire video hoping to learn something new, but no. What I saw was mental gymnastics.
2. Islam is not the fastest growing religion in non-muslims countries. In any case if Islam is growing, the rate of apostasy out paces any growth. Also, any growth in Islam is due to high birth rates.
@@dab500 *whatever makes you happy, lol.*
Wonderfully Answered ❤
Jazakallah khair for the appreciation
If the Holy Quran has 30 over "versions" so why the meaning is still the same?
That’s a good rhetoric question for the accusers
The point is this:
There is only 1 Quran with 114 chapters, with no verse added or subtracted ever
This 1 Quran can be recited in 10 different ways (qira’aat - recitals) just as ‘color’ and ‘colour’ or ‘Thanks’ and ‘thank you’ would be said differently in American and British English
@@DAWAHTALK-Media i have heard that some non-major denominations have different / subtracted / added versions of Quran (Ismailiye - tahiye - nafisiye - askariye -...) - I have yet to research this , any info regarding this please?
Well now it's clear that it's not preserved by Dots 😂😂😂
@@Zeroskeptic dear good try , but better next time :)
Dots aren’t required because Qur’an is a memorised scripture mainly, and then it’s further compensated by a written script as well through the memorised script.
So when Qur’an was memorised at the instance of revelation , it was memorised by the Arabs who never needed dots. So when they wrote the script from their memory, it included dots.
Dots is nothing more than transliteration , just to give ability for non arabs to be able to read. Arabs even today don’t need any dots to read
Islam is the Devine Laws to which you are invited to submit voluntarily and happily !
To spend one's life on earth , one needs laws and regulations and is forced to submit to the herders made laws or decide freely to submit voluntarily to the Creator's Devine Laws ! ( ALLAH gave us the capability to make choices and let us use it freely ,which is not the case with the cattle herders that are imposing on us their made laws to which they don't submit themselves !
Well said
He himself says an angel gave revelation! Never in the Hebrew Bible or New Testament does it prophecy about Muhammad or the Quran.
That’s like asking a Christian why do you say Jesus is the messiah 🙂 while Old Testament never mentions the name Jesus for one single time!
It’s a prophecy, one needs to identify the person prophesied
Through out Old Testament to New Testament, there is a wait for a PROPHET
Interestingly, the title of Mohammed (pbuh) is The PROPHET in the Quran
1) Deut 18:18; says there will be a ‘PROPHET’ from BRETHREN of Jews (that’s children of Ishmael, Prophet Mohammed is from the progeny of Prophet Ishmael)
2) John 1:21
Jews were eagerly waiting for 3 important people as they were prophesied, 1) Elijah, 2) Messiah, 3) The Prophet
These are 3 distinct people, and Jews identified Elijah as John the Baptist, (Christians identify) Messiah as Jesus, the question remains who is that Prophet?
We are saying that’s Mohammed (pbuh), as he fits all the criteria from old to New Testament
John 1:21
“And they asked him (Jesus), What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.”
3) now when you connect the dots from above verses to John 16:7 & John 16:12-14,
it makes the identity of the Comforter, Advocate, that Prophet, The Spirit of Truth (Mohammed pbuh was called by his non-Muslim country men as ‘Spirit of truth’ as a title even before he claimed to be Prophet)
Conclusion: from a Muslim perspective , prophecy of Prophet Mohammed is undeniable just as Prophecy of Messiah was undeniable. Just as Jews rejected Jesus and made biggest mistake theologically, similarly Christians are rejecting Mohammed (pbuh) and falling into same mistake theologically
@@DAWAHTALK-Media no sir you cannot in 1 hand not believe in the bible and use it to validate your false prophet. This is an embarrassing response to a man that was never holy. Please study the scripture and understand that John was speaking of the same Spirit from Genesis 1:2 The Spirit of Yahweh was hovering over the waters. That is the Holy Spirit which is God.
@@DAWAHTALK-Media this is hilarious never ever is John 1:21 talking about a slave owner who was bewitched this is total heresy. And the Messiah was prophesied many times in the old Testament.
Isaiah 9:1-7: This famous prophecy from the book of Isaiah describes the coming child as the "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace".
Isaiah 7:14: Isaiah prophesied that a virgin would conceive and give birth to a son named Immanuel.
Numbers 24:17: This prophecy calls the Messiah the "Star" that comes from Judah.
Isaiah 42:1: This prophecy refers to the Messiah as the "Servant" of the Lord.
Isaiah 11:1: This prophecy describes the Messiah as a "Branch" that will bear much fruit.
Psalm 2:7-9: This prophecy describes the Messiah as someone who will rule the nations with an iron scepter and dash them to pieces like pottery.
Very impressed with both the question and the answer mashaAllah.
Please refute point by point jay smith videos
Remember the first quran, the proto all about jesus
Where in the quran did Gabriel appear to Mohammed?
The Qur'an is not about the story of Prophet Muhammad. When, where and on what occasions' questions are not written in the Qur'an but can be found in the Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad.
@@yusufshaibu418
That’s interesting, so you need to understand the commentaries to know the angel appeared to the prophet? That’s not in the Quran.
@@Tom-rx4rd Your ignorance about the Qur'an is obvious. That is why it is good to understand anything before you comment or criticize it. The Quran are words of God dictated verbally to the Prophet Muhammad. Your problem is you seem to think Qur'an is written like the bible chronologically.
No the Bible isn’t chronologically. A google search can even confirm that for you.
I asked a genuine question.
All that have sanat go to prophet muhammad saw who dont have that sanat we muslim dont lern from them
True
Majority of Arab countries have different dialogue that's what they're trying to make it look like as if the Quran has got 30 versions but it doesn't like a person from the South speak different from the person from North for example like that
🌹تَقَبَّلَ🌹اللّٰهُ🌹مِنَّا🌹وَ🌹مِنْکُمْ🌹صَالِحَ🌹الْأَعْمَالِ🌹
Ameen
Does the recital change the meaning of the words ?
‘Recital’ has several connotations, where either pronunciation may change or alphabets may change or word may change or figure of speech may change (direct quote to indirect speech), but in all cases the essence of the message doesn’t change rather remains exactly the same.
The most important point is this: all these 7 dialects (which were then composed into combinations resulting in 10 recitals) were revealed to Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) & he recited, memorised and taught his companions all these 7 dialects (recitals), which is continued till this day.
So Quran’s structure is only 1, I.e. 114 Surah/Chapters, which can be recited in 7 different dialects
These 7 dialects have been made into 10 combinations, which is referred as Qira’ats (recitals)
@@DAWAHTALK-Media The whole point of my question was, even with the various dialects, is the meaning the same, which has been answered. May Allah reward you.
Is it possible to ask a question with a private message ?
@@ensarrifati8177
Yes brother, that’s right, meaning remains intact and exactly the same.
Yes, feel free to message privately by emailing to info@ireaworld.org. One main person shall view and respond InshaAllah
Watch the video of Arabic101 and from FaridResponds, gold mine of knowledge and answers your questions on Qir'aat and Ahruf.
It’s like when a British person says ‘Today’ differ from an Australian says it as ‘To-die’…..but they both still mean the same.
This is called the muslim shuffle 😅
Perfect response…. Like the Holy Quran, ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّٰهِ…
It’s all qadhi fault he is a trouble maker
You do not have bible translations only; you have bible VERSIONS !
Yes true and that the issue
Plus none of those versions have approval from Jesus !
@@DAWAHTALK-Media If Jesus came back today and you asked him about the bible, he would definitely start looking at you wondering what you are talking about...
Don't watch yousaf Estes again and again
So there isn’t one Quran
Your allah told you to turn to the people of the books. Which books? Who are the people of the books?
Turn to for what?
To see how they distorted their books
And the quran acts as the standard set to distinguish the true messages in those books
If its inline we accept, but if its deviate we reject.
@@suryaadi404 where did your allah say that the books are distorted?
@@SonOfChrist777
Ali imran 3 : 75-79
Al maidah 5 : 13
@@SonOfChrist777
Ali imran 3 : 75-79
Al maidah 5 : 13
@@SonOfChrist777
@SonOfChrist777
Ali imran 3:75-79
Al maidah 5:13
go debate CHRISTIAN PRINCE
One who genuinely seeks the truth will not remain in Islam upon thoroughly understanding the entirety of the Quran, Hadith, their commentaries, and Seerah.
And that’s why Islam is the fastest growing religion of the world while Christianity is at an all time decline :)
I can understand your frustration and helplessness
So you understand islam way better than all those who accepted Islam in the past from the first muslim till now?
You know whose the one that have the understanding of the entirety of quran?
Its the prophet pbuh
And he spread islam
Who is this genius full of knowledge. First time hearing him...
for examples of what is being said look at the adhan recitation-
A taste of Quran Revolution with Imam Wisam Sharieff [Podcast Clips]: ruclips.net/video/lvVJLiAWOH0/видео.html
Singing vs Reciting Quran: Is There a Difference:
ruclips.net/video/eU16ddBIVKU/видео.html
Qirat vs Tajweed: What's the Difference?:
ruclips.net/video/6p9mdokAOWc/видео.html
Maqam vs Tajweed: Autotune and Making My Voice Better for Quran: ruclips.net/video/JTAAzB9DFfg/видео.html
Maqam vs Tajweed: Viewer Responds with Well Written Comment: ruclips.net/video/1W4aNnHC_vE/видео.html
Are There 7 or 10 styles of Quranic Recitation? | Quran Revolution: ruclips.net/video/KrNity4tX4c/видео.html
Qiraat are Quran, all was recited or approved by the one person who delivered the message
Prophet MUHAMMAD (ﷺ)
Exactly
Very precisely phrased MashaAllah
People be listening to yasir Q like he's a scholar lol
Agreed
He ruined everything
Jazakallah ❤. Allah is best and Quran is same as revealed and nobody can amend in it because Allah has promised to guard Quran. SubhanAllah
True
As Allah (swt) declared in the Quran that He shall protect His Kalaam
Al Quran 15:9
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا ٱلذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُۥ لَحَـٰفِظُونَ ٩
“Indeed, it is We who sent down the message [i.e., the Qur’ān], and indeed, We shall protect it.”
Qur'an has much more than 30 versions:
1. Arabic version
2. English version
3. Indonesian version
4. Tagalog version
5. Hebrew version
6. German version
7. French version
8. Spanish version
Etc
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U mean translation!
Dr it seems, ....most probably uneducated 😂 Do you even understand what a Version is and what a Translation is?
you cant even differentiate between versions and translations. 😮💨😮💨
He's just joking 😂
Nice joke.
Try again.
😂😂😂😂
Kudos to Yasir Qadi he just made arguments for non-muslim...
He spoke about what he meant afterwards and clarified
I'm not personally attacking him but he seems to not be able to accurately put his thoughts into words, overthinking maybe in trying to please everybody at the same time cus all his speeches you hardly ever come out of it thinking this is clearly and exactly where he stands
@@farhat5325 I guess the non-muslim didn't get to see his clarification afterwards.
@@sunnydeen4730 they probably don't care
Not personally attacking.... But went ahead to do just that. Every scholar has his/her strengths and weaknesses. You'll thanks me later, probably 30 years from now.
Thirty versions 😂😂😂😂😂 U lie in our face, normally, without any shame 👍 go ahead.
Still didn't answer the question though.Gives long explanations without addressing the problem of many different qurans which proves the quran was always false.Without the lies, Islam dies.This video proves it.
There is only one QURAN with 114 chapters
If you know any other so called Quran with either more than or less than 114 chapters then please inform us of your discovery - mind you, that quran shud be memorised, recited and taught in several mosques across the globe
Enlighten us of your discovery (if it ever happens in ur life time :))
@@DAWAHTALK-Media You do realize that there are different versions of the Quran like Hafs and Warsh.Warsh Quran is recited in North African countries like Algeria.The Birmingham manuscript and Sanaa Manuscript which contains some of the oldest texts of the Quran differs greatly from a standardized version of the Quran.Also, the Hafs Quran only got standardized in Egypt in 1924 because different versions existed for thousands of years.Stop lying as 30 different versions of the Arabic Quran were brought to speakers corner in London with different meanings a few years ago.The video of it is out here on RUclips and many Muslims had no answers to that.There have always been different versions of the Quran with different meanings.Stop lying and tell the truth because I know there are many different Qurans in the world today.
@@grant316
oh dear :)
If you understand the meaning of the word version, you would have made that comment.
‘Version would mean a book whose new edition would either have more or less number of chapters or verses.
With Quran, there is only one quran with 114 chapters and fixed number of verses.
Different Recitals is simply different ways of reciting such as color or colour, and often pronounced as of-ten or of-en in American and British English. Neither way changes the meaning or the message, nor does it add any verse or reduced any chapter. So there’s only ONE QURAN
With all 10 recitals , there is no change in meaning & the message of the verse.
Below is a brief lesson for you:
- What’s happening is synonymous words are being used interchangeably as that was the language of different Arab tribes of that time.
- For instance some may use the word ‘honour’, while other tribes may not use that word so commonly instead would use the word glory. So this way, if one recital has honour, and the other recital has glory , it doesn’t change the message nor its essence nor its meaning in actual sense. Rather both words add value and compensate each other giving more meaning to the statement.
- Let’s take another instance, the word ‘honour’ can be written as ‘honor’ and ‘honour’. If one recital uses ‘honour’ while another recital uses ‘honor’, it doesn’t take away the meaning, message or the essence
- one more instance would be,
Someone says, ‘there are 10 people in the house’, while another way of saying it would be ‘the house has 10 people in it’. Here the statement has slightly changed but neither the information has been changed nor meaning has been changed.
- recitals include different pronunciation of same word, different word of same meaning, direct quote to indirect quote format, replacement of a word with no word etc
Few some actual examples of recitals:
1) Surah Fatiha
Verse number 4
- Maalik (owner), مٰلك is one recital
- Malik (Lord/king) , مَلك is another recital
*the bottom line is all 10 recitals were taught and recited by Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to his companions and that’s what has been transmitted till this day, with no word missing or being added by anyone. All these 10 recitals are of the same ONE QURAN of 114 chapters, no either a verse has been added or subtracted nor a chapter added or removed
@@DAWAHTALK-Media There are different meanings in these different Qurans being recited with a lot of the verses.Wikipedia has taken a lot of verses between Hafs and warsh and they show different words with different meanings in many verses which changes the Quran into different books.How come the standardized version of Hafs only came in 1924? It means that the versions were so different in meaning that they had to make 1 standardized version many hundreds of years later after Islam came which is very strange.I will never be fooled into believing that there was only ever 1 Quran perfectly preserved with different recitations because thats the biggest lie I have heard.The oldest manuscripts of the Quran such as the topkapi, Birmingham folios and Sanaa manuscripts are sufficient proof of different Qurans because they differ greatly with the Quran you use today with entirely different words and meanings.So please stop lying about 1 Quran perfectly preserved with different recitations because that's a lie.100% lie.
@@grant316
I asked u to mention one difference atleast :)
Any quran , any manuscript, any dialect - all have same 114 chapters
Moreover, quran isn’t based on written script alone, it’s a memorised scripture, so there are millions of memorisers of entire ONE QURAN (114 chapters), there has never been another version or copy :)
Try your best , it’s a life time challenge to bring the so called second copy of quran (that you keep claiming) which has more than or less than 114 chapters :)
Without Lies Islam dies
@@MyDimka1989 says a Christian who doesn’t know which Bible is the Word of God :)
66 book Bible of Protestants or 73 book Bible of Catholics or 78 book Bible of Orthodox Church….
Without lies Paulinity dies!
This speaker is waffling big time - all Arabic qurans in circulation today are not the same
Waffling? He is giving you sources to check and he is giving an explanation of the dialects clarifying the actual Quran remains the same with a full chain of narration. Are you just upset that the answer was solid and you hoping for a win today. Islam never loses brother.
@applegreen4118
Oh really!
Well, If you can find us an arabic quran which has more than 114 chapters (or less), then feel free to share with us :)
Until then stop waffling !
@@DAWAHTALK-Media - all Arabic qurans in circulation are not the same - call a spade a spade
@@applegreen4118
Ok dear :)
It’s one thing to live in lala land but another to urge everyone to believe in it!
The challenge remains open for you for your entire lifetime - bring us a quran which has either more or less 114 chapters, and it’s memorised, taught and recited in the mosques
@@DAWAHTALK-Media Peace, your challenge has the wrong foundation.
Why are you asking for a specific change like different chapters?
Why it cannot be different number of verses or verses in which words are added, removed, changed/updated/modified? Like @applegreen4118 is trying to tell you.
Just tell us that the Arabic Qurans that we have in current time are all the same. That should be your actual challenge.
Challange is not put forward on the thing that is certain.
There is only one Quran it has no other version qiraat difference are jus some misunderstandings of Muslims this is an wrong answer
It's a book written in 17th century.
The bible has 30 and more versions The bible has more than 30 versions... the Quran has only 1 version....
The Quran has 30 versions wow where the heck did you get his information from😂😂
Do not lie!!!Who were the companions of muhammad who memorized the qoran? Where?When?The quran is a bad transation of some passages of the Jewish Torah and something fromthe Injiil and also some tales from the Persian religion.The Qoran is not an arabic revealled book to " muhammad." In fact" Verily this qoran naarrates to the Children of Israell most of that in which they differ." (27/76)In the qoran there is no prophet muhammad,no companoins,no Mecca,no Kaaba.Islam is a mere lie!!