Couldn’t wait to see the back of my model s, your car should revolve around your day, not the other way round. Back in a classic ICE now and every journey seems so much less stressful…..
There are loads of barriers to prevent me buying an EV List price, depreciation, length taken to charge, soulless dull cars, risk of devastating fire, insurance costs and of course the marxist pressure to try and force these sheds on me.
All correct, but you missed out probably EMF issues which EV owners ignore. Having seen some papers on the weird cancer effects long term, I wouldn't sit in one while on rapid charge like you see people doing. They pass it off as unproven, but they forget Hollywood Stars and famous footballers used to advertise cigarettes as good for you back in 50's before evidence.
The energy in 1 kg of biodiesel is around 11 kwh/kg. Best battery tech 0.4 kwh/kg. Electric motor efficiency 90% latest diesel tech 40%. Liquid fuel is 11x more efficient than battery per kg. Will batteries ever become more efficient? Will the electricity generated ever have 0g/kwh from the power station? The production of biodiesel actually has negative co2/kg - plants live on co2. In an ICE engine, it produces heat and electricity from the 60% inefficiency but in an EV it all fomes from the battery. The fact that the government has to load the tax system to force the adoption of an inferior less convenient tech means that its all about control. The climate is just an excuse.
At the risk of putting the other side, UK power stations produce about 160g co2 per Kwh and typical EVs get 3.5 miles/kwh. In winter lets say an EV achieves 50g co2 per mile. My 2 litre ICE EURO6 is rated at 128g but its a larger car so not exactly comparable. Electricity losses in transmission and distribution 10% Now on paper, co2 per mile in an EV is about 50% of ICE, but you have to carry around 12 kg of batteries to replace 1 litre of liquid fuel (accounting for engine efficiency). The cost of batteries, their carbon footprint, EV depreciation... Its just far more convenient to avoid expensive complex tech. A 40 year old classic car is probably a better bet.
The trouble is with your selfish attitude is all the poison you are pumping into the atmosphere when there is a viable alternative! Wake up man or don't you care about your kids, grand kids, and great grand kids. I'm only 68 but I have 10 grandkids and one great grandkids!
@jcfallows The government is not noted for its ability to tell the truth. The Post Office for a start. I seem to recall seeing that the earth has had more co2 than this is the past and we are still here. Whatever Starmer does it might affect transport emissions in our very small country, but I do not see other countries rushing to force people into EVs. Just google a co2'graph of ppm levels over the last 300 million years.
@@jcfallows the trouble is people like selfish you having far too many kids. There, fixed it for you. Batteries viable? They are a costly alternative full of huge compromises. Go and look at co2 ppm over the last several hundred million years before you accuse people of being selfish. If you really cared about the environment, you would not have had so many kids.
If there were plenty of public chargers, I still would not want an EV. I can fuel my Toyota petrol car in less than 5 minutes, and I do not need to piss about with dozens of apps on my phone.
@@andrewwaller5913 Yes. You can do that and always pay top price for your transport fuel. 95% of my trips use electricity at 7p per kWh on my overnight tariff. And the car will do 3.5 miles per kWh in winter - more in summer. That's 2p per mile most of the time. Try calculating your own cost per mile - for every mile. If you are honest about the cost of petrol and your mpg it will be at least 14p per mile and probably much more. So you are always paying seven times as much as me to run your car in order to 'easily find a petrol station'. Well done. And on the 'easy' topic. I can usually find my home charger very easily. It's right there where I park up overnight. And wake up with the battery full again.
@Hitstirrer Oh yawn yawn another clueless Tesla owner who thinks everyone can charge from home for nothing. You're completely detached from reality I'm afraid. Drive to Scotland then it'll take you about a week ha ha ha ha ha. My diesel does everything your Tesla does at a fraction of the price and is far far superior and will be still going when you send yours to the scrapman in a few years ha ha ha
People on motorability are being pushed into EV's. How can I use an EV. Walk out the front door and the nearest parking area is 200 metres away, out the back door and parking bays 50 metres away. Thats if you can get parked. Parking anxiety and charging anxiety. So lets go to the nearest chargers eevrytime i need a charge, 2 places 1 mile away both slow chargers and sit 2 hours charging when its freezing cold.
My daughter is in the same situation. She is being pushed towards an EV for her next mobility vehicle..... yes she has a private drive and parks next to the house, so can have a charger fitted. But the drive is all sloped, which would add another burden to her getting out of the van, getting her large mobility wheelchair out on the hoist, dealing with children and shopping. Then, having to deal with plugging the darn thing in when it peeing down with rain or ice...... or she would have to get her husband to make sure it's taken care of. It's all just more stress you don't need when your struggling..... Are all public chargers wheelchair friendly?
Charging concerns are valid, but who wants an overpriced electric car that after 3 years of driving has a crap battery and has suffered depreciation. Our ports are full of unsold EVs.
@SemperFortisSovereign - You do know that batteries and drive train in an EV carry an 8 year guarantee don't you? Of no - sorry - or you wouldn't have written that ancient myth.
@@Hitstirrerand you do know that in the majority of cases an engine will last the entire life of the vehicle. Over 15 years in the majority of cases. So I fail to see your point.
@@tonyc2837 The 'point' was that he claimed that - Quote "after 3 years of driving has a crap battery and has suffered depreciation." I simply pointed out that they were warrantied for 8 years so that the 3 year claim was just wrong. In fact, batteries these days last way beyond the normal tin bits of a car - which is why they offer such a long guarantee. Because they know it will rarely be called on. Cars in general these days are pretty reliable and long lasting. ICE and EVs alike. But false claims such as that don't acknowledge that fact as they try to discredit EVs. Now do you see the point?
Full of many unsold and prereg golf carts with slowly rotting batteries. You can swap out the tyres and coolant but the battery itself will be sitting there getting old.
Barrie, thank you for your latest insight into the world of EV's. Entertaining, factual and as always Bloody honest. EV's have one purpose in life "Milk delivery". Please keep the content coming. Alan B
I must admit I was very reluctant changing from our 1.5 diesel on Motability to a EV.We kept the motability car for 5 years.We are lucky to have a home charger and the majority of our driving is localWe got a good deal and this car for us is great.Its a E berlingo i need the boot space for my wife e scooter.Iam retired so I can take it steady on a long run.Full battery in winter maybe just 150 miles.I know Barry my ex diesel would take me to London and back on a full tank from Yorkshire Hull. .This car is great to drive very relaxing but yes I can fully understand peoples anxiety to change to a EV.Iam 75 I have driven many cars over many years.
When adoption is widespread then the home charger will contain its own meter and that will be charged at a significantly higher rate. Government has to get our money anyway they can.
That's often mentioned. But it will never happen. There are always millions of standard 13amp 3-pin plugs around that would avoid any artificially inflated price meter. But as you say, some means of taxing EV travel will have to be found as they become more common than petrol cars. Probably some form of pay per mile charge using in-car black boxes or annual report via MOT tests.
@@stevebeever2442 Perhaps. But consider the complexity. Part charging at public chargers where VAT is 20%. Part charging at the 'designated' home charger and taxed accordingly. And part illegal charge using the 3 pin in the shed. Someone has to then untangle that data to try to discover the home 5% VAT portion separate from the dishwasher and lights legal use at that rate. Multiply that admin by millions of EVs and rising and you would need the largest AI computer and an army of civil servants to try to cope. Then another army to handle the complaints and queries/refunds side. Much easier to just charge per mile for everyone - petrol, diesel, electric, LPG, hydrogen, steam.
I think what people forget is the connectivity of the EV, just like the car knows where it is and the speed limit as soon as its plugged in to charge if it isn’t the “proper” charger it will cease charging, the damn things will talk to each other just like charging at a gridserve site etc
@@HitstirrerThe car software will tell the electric company you are charging it. No matter where or how you charge it from the grid. The fact you need a smartphone to feed your car is mental
What’s that fizzing in the background, another EV battery about to explode? Oh no it’s just the Evangelists brains reaching boiling point over another of Barrie’s videos!
Or about to explode due to the EMF issues? There are a few papers out there that say even blue tooth EMF effect in a combustion car probably is bad for you, let alone sitting on a huge battery for any extended period of time.
Funnily enough, I'm off to collect a Charger this afternoon. It's Hemi Orange, and has the 440 ci motor. Too bad it won't be installed at my home this Christmas.
EVs make up only 5% of cars on the road, significantly less for vans. That means the usage of the current charging infrastructure is likely to increase by 20 times! Can you imagine the hell it’s going to be. There is however some light at the end of the tunnel. I am reliably informed that Toyota are preparing to release new battery technology that should give a range of around 600 miles. That would be a game changer. On the downside, as Barry says, the tax revenue has to be replaced and pay per mile or big road tax increases are likely heading our way. By the way, there’s a recession coming, courtesy of our financially illiterate proletariat. Good luck everyone 🤞
Toyota have been promising that 'new' technology for at least ten years. It's always going to be released 'next year'. They also say that their hybrid is self charging when in fact it goes absolutely nowhere without burning petrol. They lie all the time.
The biggest issue is price, I can probably manage with an electric car that does 250 miles in range. I do several long journeys each month with work 350-400 miles one around northern scotland and the other in south wales from cumbria. My dacia does this journey with ease usually on one tank of fuel. It cost less than 20k. The cheapest evs with a decent range are 30-35k. Very few under 80k would do the range of my dacia 550miles. I am not to bothered about the charging network
It's only a matter of time before a 500 mile EV vehicle is available. For now I doubt you'll be interested in an EV as a business vehicle. Infrastructure to support EV charging is slowly rolling out. Charging at home is the most popular and cheapest option. The majority of drivers in the UK do less than 50 miles per day. If you don't want an EV don't buy one..
@@thomasreilly6362There are so many problems, expensive, poor range, awful depreciation, too long to charge up, no chargers anywhere convenient. Petrol and diesel are far superior, fill up in 5 minutes and be on your way.
@@thomasreilly6362 don't worry, people aren't buying them. 500 mile range is irrelevant if you can't charge up anywhere and it costs 50 quid and takes hours.
I've said it before, if they'd made EVs something to aspire to rather than mandating crap at cut rate prices it would have worked out better. Now we've just got a load of sheep bleating about their EVs and paying a fortune for the privilege.
I get range anxiety every time I use my electric mobility scooter. 'Can I get one more trip around the supermarket before I take the battery indoors to charge'..... 'if I go up that hill I will knock off a lot of distance off my range.' .... that's enough stress for me!
You charge it in doors! Is it a lithium battery? Did you see the recent Cruise ship balcony that got trashed by a mobility scooter battery fire, or all the house fires from e bikes and scooters? I would charge it in the shed, in one of the readily available on ebay fire proof li battery bags. Even my hand drill batteries are in a steel box at the back of the garage having seen some of those go up.
@stephenwood9687 well yes I do. But they are the older lead acid gel battery's, and of course they are always within view. I have experienced lipo battries catching fire when left unattended when I used to run an RC car race venue, were we charged lipo race battries on a regular basis. Had a 5amp battery go off like a roman candle while left unattended, darn nigh burnt my race control down. Lucky there were plenty of fire extinguishers around. But how many households are equipped with fire extinguishers?
@@burgesskab Glad to hear it is a lead acid mobility scooter. Yes I used to run veco 19 engined R/C cars and had spare acid car batteries around for my starter box, funny how they never needed to be kept in safe boxes. Don't think any fire extinguishers would put out larger li batteries like scooters and bikes though.
44% of UK Households have no ability to home charge 60% of all UK public chargers are 7.4kW or less thanks to Central Govt. funding rules encouraging Local Authoritied into a crude numbers game
They asked 2000 people. Then 37% of the private owner of cars reponded..... hmmmm wonder how many people that 37% consist of. The selection size is too small to have any value, but as long as it fits their narrative, then they're happy I assume LOL. Great video as always Barry 🙂 In Norway the tax incentives are huge in support of Battery cars. Electricity fairly cheap for now, but it's going up. The rise in electricity cost is highest in the southern part of Norway. Wonder why that is? Greetings from Norway. Merry Christmas to all motorists, hmmmm EV's do not have a real motor installed. BTW I would never buy a battery car, no matter how big the incentive. I'm against government subsidies, any and all of it.
If the infrastructure was in place for mass electric vehicle charging, if home charging was a viable option for all potential owners, if lithium ion batteries weren't so high a risk of self combustion and the resulting fumes weren't so toxic, if electricity production wasn't so heavily reliant on burning fossil fuels, if depreciation wasn't so catastrophic, if battery range wasn't so impractical, I'd buy one. 👍😁
Quentin is just a tool who will say whatever the man paying him wants him to say. If you can find it, he did a video posing as a legitimate car review of the MG6 petrol saloon back in the day - 15 years ago, that sort of timescale. It was a truly truly terrible car, but money grabbing wazzock would have the gullible believing it was as good as a Mondeo or BMW 3.
Every time I go to Brent X across the bridge over the north circular, I see a carpark FULL of teslas. I wonder at the cost of having a 200 of them just sitting around.
Reducing the vat on public charging from 20pc to 5pc will bring 89p kWh to 78p kWh. Those that cited that as the reason don't realise that's the small difference it makes. Anyways, the EV brigade tell us all we need to charge at home on a weird octopussy tariff and only loons pay public prices😂 They can't have it both ways!
My issues are: Expense (prices are higher) Inconvenient (charging infrastructure and difficult for people without driveways in order to charge) Repairs are difficult to get repaired due to the lack of garages that can work on EVs Resale values plummet (the battery warranty has a big factor on this issue) No such thing as a cheap runabout in EV world Alienates young drivers (priced out of driving) They simply don't replace ICE as well, its just not a better product. Too much technology and a smartphone is required for effective EV ownership.
what gets my goat is if you look at car reviews on autotrader or parkers, they mark cars down as negative if they don’t have a hybrid or EV option of the model. such as Mazda CX-5 and some škoda models. they are definitely paid off. it’s a feature, not a negative to have none of these options that mean the car is more complicated and costs more to fix. some people just want a simple old school car, no turbo, no DPF, no BS adblu cow piss
@@ghunt9146 Car mags for decades have given biased reports to the models whose manufacturers treat them to first class flights and the best champagne at the launches. They have no interest in cars that offer good value, reliability, or haven't got the "right badge". A short term road test does not evaluate, buying, running, dealership experience, or real world depreciation.
Always makes me smile when they say how the evs are going to be better next year, but they want everyone to buy this year's, or even last years model..... why would you buy an outdated model when they cost so much.... yes we do it with phones, pcs, and tvs, but we k ow they are use and throw away items. I don't think of a car as that. I like my 20 year old, £1000 cars.
The fact that they pick something that the government control rather than their advertisers, as the reason for not wanting theses things, speaks volumes. The fact that they are rubbish for most people's needs would never be published.
21.12.24 , driving home during a rain storm , traffic slowed and stopped and I noticed cars were turning around , when I reached the front there was a large puddle , not too deep , half way up the wheel . The cars turning back were EVs the rest of us carried on .
I have no issue with having to charge at home but will not, under any circumstance, consider having to wait 10, 20, 30, 40 etc minutes at a public charger - assuming you can get straight on to one. That's before considering the ridiculous fees they charge you.
Just wait until the power companies are forced to control when you can use your "smart" charger and the price that you will have to pay controlled through your "smart" meter. It's coming.
@@ohyesitsme Not only that but they will be able to draw FROM your battery when they need to so don't expect to have a full charge to go to work (or an emergency hospital visit) when you need to.
I worry about public chargers. They seem to be rather colourless and drab and it worries me. Range anxiety doesn’t bother me at all from the wheel of my 2 litre turbo diesel.
owning an electric car reminds me of when i was growing up my dad had an old Chrysler avenger that had a knackered radiator.... where he was constantly monitoring the temperature gauge and when it got too hot and overhead we all had to sit at the side of the road with the bonnet open for hours until it cooled down again before we could travel onwards... suppose that was range anxiety before these daft milk floats came along
Why can you not just pull up to a charger, plug in and put £20 cash in? Every time I go in a motorway services there's somebody tapping away at their phone and when I come out they're still rattling away at the thing. I watched a bloke in Cltheroe, I went in a cafe had a brew, came out and he was still f ing around trying to charge his car. 1/2 hour later. What's the problem why does charging have to complicated, I still don't want an EV by the way.
Biggest reason people not wanting an EV, is because they are impractical for a lot of people. i.e. Towera of caravans, boats, horse boxes, anyone who wishes to pull heavy items.
Correct. But my overnight tariff is 7p per kWh and the car does 3.5 miles per kWh in winter, more in summer. That is 2p or less per mile for 95% of my travel. And the other 5% matches most other people's cost per mile. So my average could be around 3p per mile. But an ICE is always 13p per mile. Every mile.
Double the number of lithium batteries from 1 tonne to 2 tonnes to double the range. And convert the range quoted from miles to kilometres and that'll fool some people about range anxiety.
Resale values are always going to be an issue to me. If the batteries are only covered for about 8 years. Who’s going to pay a lot for a 4 year old vehicle that might need thousands spending on it in the not too distant future.
Haha Barry 62% of car buyers only think they don't want an EV! If one in seven doesn't go EV that's great! They can fill up the empty buses, use a bike, a scooter, a taxi or use those dangley things stuck on your arse, some call them legs! There is nothing wrong with the new EVs only the ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject. It's amazing just how thick people are. Electric cars have reached parity in price in Over the next five years they will be half the price of ice cars.
Sure, the manufacturers will drop them to half the price of ice cars once they get to the EV point of no return, it’s you that’s misinformed I’m afraid, they haven’t reached price parity, that’s the only way they can get people to take them, by giving them away and losing money, people will only buy them at less than they cost to make, it’s a financial decision otherwise they would buy an ice car
I've never queued for petrol in my life. If a pump isn't free, I leave. Half an hour to charge is absolute insanity and that's assuming there's no queue.
I don't now as being retired I travel when I want to, but I still have my petrol ration vouchers from the late 70's crisis and remember queueing then as I needed to get to work! At least then if there was only 2 star fuel available due to the shortage I could retard the distributor and happily run on it! Ah, and it was only about 70p a gallon!
To be fair the Tesla system has removed a lot of anxiety. The Model Y juniper coming out in January will have an improved battery so will be even better, and once we start getting the improved batteries from CATL and BYD currently used in China in the next few years the problem should ease. Im sorry but you wont be able to avoid it. The Green legislation in the pipe line and taxation policies in the next four years wont nudge they will shove us into E.V'S . Look what they did in their first Budget, there is four more of them to come.. Lots of you will hate this, but the only glimmer of hope is the Donald isn't a full on Davos puppet and has vowed to drill baby drill.
That's the thing, something better is always coming next year. Yet the system is pushing everybody to buy what is available now. If EVs were being floted on the market as an option to petrol and diesel, only the most enthusiastic people would have bought the early production models. Much the same as when colour tvs cam on the market. For many years, they were expensive, used a lot of power and caught fire occasionally. But yes they got better, cheaper and people bought them out of choice.
Great vid barrie ,why don't the car industry just ignore this EV shite ,what can the authorities do if all car makers stick togethet ,grow a spine car industry.
Charging an EV on a public charger? You cannot use cash, you need a mobile phone and also have to download the appropriate app and give personal information to the app provider and you need an internet connection and the charger needs to be serviceable and you need enough time to charge, curious when compared to petrol and diesel isn’t it?
They are expensive, inconvenient, poor infrastructure in place, dangerous when they catch fire, devalue ridiculously fast and certainly not better for the environment, heavier and damage roads more as a result and eat through tires also perform less well in the cold. Other than that they're ok!🤣🤣🤣
If any of us alive and free in 25 years, we’ll look back at the temporary aberration that was mandated EVs and shake our heads at the lunacy we tolerated.
We won't be able to remember due to frizzled brains and weird cancers from the EMF effects. Things have gone very quiet on that score when you think that some papers on the subject a few years ago even recommended limiting the time spent in a petrol car with just Bluetooth installed, let alone sitting on top of a huge battery for hours.
The Mobility scheme is a disgrace pushing EVs onto the disabled. I have a blue badge so when i park in disabled space in supermarkets i now notice many more EVs parked with blue badges.
There is no way I would save money with an EV. I have a good condition, low miled ICE car which has no problems and I own it outright. It costs me £30 per week in fuel and it is a fairly desireably model with minimal depreciation. Even if I could charge for free an EV would cost me much more in the long term.
These days, range itself isn't a concern. Cars are perfectly adequate for most peoples range needs. People now need to know that when they get to a planned charger that it will work. They aren't bothered about getting there. So you can't add those people, who are not bothered about range, to those who do fret about range. That's poor logic.
So why have you had to 'plan a place to charge'?? is it because of the range of the car your driving?, I don't have to plan my 2 x 800 mile monthly journey stops to refill my diesel 4x4.
@@JackOfski The word 'plan' is putting too much emphasis on it. On a long trip I have always had my 'planned' stops in mind - even in a petrol car - usually at 200 miles distance or four hours to leg stretch and have a bio break and coffee/snacks. The difference now is that I deliberately 'plan' or 'select' places where there are at least six Rapid chargers to avoid queuing and/or broken units that could happen if there were only one or two units there. That 'plan' or 'selection' is also to choose places with eating/drinking/loo facilities - just as petrol drivers also choose/plan/select but don't put those words onto it. It's just what we do, isn't it? People think they have to criticise EV drivers for planning when they do the very same themselves on long trips. They also 'plan' places to stop and refuel. No difference really.
@@Hitstirrer It's often the case when driving an EV that you need to depart from your route to find a charger whereas you will see any number of petrol stations along your route.
@@Hitstirrer No, you have to plan where you stop because of the range limits on your car, and if you get stuck in heavy traffic in the cold your heating etc etc will drain your mileage so you will have less mileage and therefore have to make a new plan closer to charge.
EV's,an illogical solution to an imaginary problem. Toy cars that run for a few miles on batteries are not wanted. The are garbage in the cold or hot or when it is raining. JUNK.
Couldn’t wait to see the back of my model s, your car should revolve around your day, not the other way round. Back in a classic ICE now and every journey seems so much less stressful…..
Not to mention repairable, lower Insurance No shut off Govt Hacks, No spair tire issues or Bluetooth doors to lock you in.
There are loads of barriers to prevent me buying an EV
List price, depreciation, length taken to charge, soulless dull cars, risk of devastating fire, insurance costs and of course the marxist pressure to try and force these sheds on me.
I Agree with you 100%
You said it all, that was my answere as well
All correct, but you missed out probably EMF issues which EV owners ignore. Having seen some papers on the weird cancer effects long term, I wouldn't sit in one while on rapid charge like you see people doing. They pass it off as unproven, but they forget Hollywood Stars and famous footballers used to advertise cigarettes as good for you back in 50's before evidence.
Luckily none of them stopped me, my EV is the best car I have ever had, the cheapest to run will never go back to ICE.
The energy in 1 kg of biodiesel is around 11 kwh/kg. Best battery tech 0.4 kwh/kg. Electric motor efficiency 90% latest diesel tech 40%. Liquid fuel is 11x more efficient than battery per kg. Will batteries ever become more efficient? Will the electricity generated ever have 0g/kwh from the power station? The production of biodiesel actually has negative co2/kg - plants live on co2. In an ICE engine, it produces heat and electricity from the 60% inefficiency but in an EV it all fomes from the battery. The fact that the government has to load the tax system to force the adoption of an inferior less convenient tech means that its all about control. The climate is just an excuse.
At the risk of putting the other side, UK power stations produce about 160g co2 per Kwh and typical EVs get 3.5 miles/kwh. In winter lets say an EV achieves 50g co2 per mile. My 2 litre ICE EURO6 is rated at 128g but its a larger car so not exactly comparable. Electricity losses in transmission and distribution 10% Now on paper, co2 per mile in an EV is about 50% of ICE, but you have to carry around 12 kg of batteries to replace 1 litre of liquid fuel (accounting for engine efficiency). The cost of batteries, their carbon footprint, EV depreciation... Its just far more convenient to avoid expensive complex tech. A 40 year old classic car is probably a better bet.
The trouble is with your selfish attitude is all the poison you are pumping into the atmosphere when there is a viable alternative! Wake up man or don't you care about your kids, grand kids, and great grand kids. I'm only 68 but I have 10 grandkids and one great grandkids!
@jcfallows The government is not noted for its ability to tell the truth. The Post Office for a start. I seem to recall seeing that the earth has had more co2 than this is the past and we are still here. Whatever Starmer does it might affect transport emissions in our very small country, but I do not see other countries rushing to force people into EVs. Just google a co2'graph of ppm levels over the last 300 million years.
@@jcfallows the trouble is people like selfish you having far too many kids. There, fixed it for you. Batteries viable? They are a costly alternative full of huge compromises. Go and look at co2 ppm over the last several hundred million years before you accuse people of being selfish. If you really cared about the environment, you would not have had so many kids.
If there were plenty of public chargers, I still would not want an EV. I can fuel my Toyota petrol car in less than 5 minutes, and I do not need to piss about with dozens of apps on my phone.
And be able to pay by cash.
Plus you can easily find a petrol station anywhere and it will be open and working.
@@andrewwaller5913 Yes. You can do that and always pay top price for your transport fuel. 95% of my trips use electricity at 7p per kWh on my overnight tariff. And the car will do 3.5 miles per kWh in winter - more in summer. That's 2p per mile most of the time. Try calculating your own cost per mile - for every mile. If you are honest about the cost of petrol and your mpg it will be at least 14p per mile and probably much more. So you are always paying seven times as much as me to run your car in order to 'easily find a petrol station'. Well done. And on the 'easy' topic. I can usually find my home charger very easily. It's right there where I park up overnight. And wake up with the battery full again.
@Hitstirrer Oh yawn yawn another clueless Tesla owner who thinks everyone can charge from home for nothing. You're completely detached from reality I'm afraid. Drive to Scotland then it'll take you about a week ha ha ha ha ha. My diesel does everything your Tesla does at a fraction of the price and is far far superior and will be still going when you send yours to the scrapman in a few years ha ha ha
And it will probably run close to 600 miles on a tank before you have to refuel again 🙂
People on motorability are being pushed into EV's. How can I use an EV. Walk out the front door and the nearest parking area is 200 metres away, out the back door and parking bays 50 metres away. Thats if you can get parked. Parking anxiety and charging anxiety. So lets go to the nearest chargers eevrytime i need a charge, 2 places 1 mile away both slow chargers and sit 2 hours charging when its freezing cold.
My daughter is in the same situation. She is being pushed towards an EV for her next mobility vehicle..... yes she has a private drive and parks next to the house, so can have a charger fitted. But the drive is all sloped, which would add another burden to her getting out of the van, getting her large mobility wheelchair out on the hoist, dealing with children and shopping. Then, having to deal with plugging the darn thing in when it peeing down with rain or ice...... or she would have to get her husband to make sure it's taken care of. It's all just more stress you don't need when your struggling.....
Are all public chargers wheelchair friendly?
Charging concerns are valid, but who wants an overpriced electric car that after 3 years of driving has a crap battery and has suffered depreciation. Our ports are full of unsold EVs.
@SemperFortisSovereign - You do know that batteries and drive train in an EV carry an 8 year guarantee don't you? Of no - sorry - or you wouldn't have written that ancient myth.
@@Hitstirrerand you do know that in the majority of cases an engine will last the entire life of the vehicle. Over 15 years in the majority of cases. So I fail to see your point.
@@tonyc2837 The 'point' was that he claimed that - Quote "after 3 years of driving has a crap battery and has suffered depreciation." I simply pointed out that they were warrantied for 8 years so that the 3 year claim was just wrong. In fact, batteries these days last way beyond the normal tin bits of a car - which is why they offer such a long guarantee. Because they know it will rarely be called on. Cars in general these days are pretty reliable and long lasting. ICE and EVs alike. But false claims such as that don't acknowledge that fact as they try to discredit EVs. Now do you see the point?
Full of many unsold and prereg golf carts with slowly rotting batteries. You can swap out the tyres and coolant but the battery itself will be sitting there getting old.
The local Tesco Super Store had 4 EV charging points. As of today they have zero as the entire system has been removed.
Probably not the infrastructure to supply them. Not thought through.
There are 2 at my local Tesco non fast charging I've never seen them being used 😮
Love that story about the camera - So true.
I'm saving the other video for tomorrow.
Best wishes.
EVs are expensive and inconvenient.
What EVs have you owned?
As you say it is exactly the same thing, the very reason my wife will never let me buy an electric car.
Barrie, thank you for your latest insight into the world of EV's. Entertaining, factual and as always Bloody honest. EV's have one purpose in life "Milk delivery".
Please keep the content coming. Alan B
I must admit I was very reluctant changing from our 1.5 diesel on Motability to a EV.We kept the motability car for 5 years.We are lucky to have a home charger and the majority of our driving is localWe got a good deal and this car for us is great.Its a E berlingo i need the boot space for my wife e scooter.Iam retired so I can take it steady on a long run.Full battery in winter maybe just 150 miles.I know Barry my ex diesel would take me to London and back on a full tank from Yorkshire Hull. .This car is great to drive very relaxing but yes I can fully understand peoples anxiety to change to a EV.Iam 75 I have driven many cars over many years.
When adoption is widespread then the home charger will contain its own meter and that will be charged at a significantly higher rate. Government has to get our money anyway they can.
That's often mentioned. But it will never happen. There are always millions of standard 13amp 3-pin plugs around that would avoid any artificially inflated price meter. But as you say, some means of taxing EV travel will have to be found as they become more common than petrol cars. Probably some form of pay per mile charge using in-car black boxes or annual report via MOT tests.
@@Hitstirrer Yes and the EV's are smart devices that constantly send data.
It will have the charging data
@@stevebeever2442 Perhaps. But consider the complexity. Part charging at public chargers where VAT is 20%. Part charging at the 'designated' home charger and taxed accordingly. And part illegal charge using the 3 pin in the shed. Someone has to then untangle that data to try to discover the home 5% VAT portion separate from the dishwasher and lights legal use at that rate. Multiply that admin by millions of EVs and rising and you would need the largest AI computer and an army of civil servants to try to cope. Then another army to handle the complaints and queries/refunds side. Much easier to just charge per mile for everyone - petrol, diesel, electric, LPG, hydrogen, steam.
I think what people forget is the connectivity of the EV, just like the car knows where it is and the speed limit as soon as its plugged in to charge if it isn’t the “proper” charger it will cease charging, the damn things will talk to each other just like charging at a gridserve site etc
@@HitstirrerThe car software will tell the electric company you are charging it. No matter where or how you charge it from the grid. The fact you need a smartphone to feed your car is mental
You tell them Barrie, these EV nut jobs are just unbelievable. I wish you and everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
What’s that fizzing in the background, another EV battery about to explode? Oh no it’s just the Evangelists brains reaching boiling point over another of Barrie’s videos!
Or about to explode due to the EMF issues? There are a few papers out there that say even blue tooth EMF effect in a combustion car probably is bad for you, let alone sitting on a huge battery for any extended period of time.
Funnily enough, I'm off to collect a Charger this afternoon. It's Hemi Orange, and has the 440 ci motor. Too bad it won't be installed at my home this Christmas.
❤😂🎉😊
EVs make up only 5% of cars on the road, significantly less for vans. That means the usage of the current charging infrastructure is likely to increase by 20 times! Can you imagine the hell it’s going to be. There is however some light at the end of the tunnel. I am reliably informed that Toyota are preparing to release new battery technology that should give a range of around 600 miles. That would be a game changer. On the downside, as Barry says, the tax revenue has to be replaced and pay per mile or big road tax increases are likely heading our way. By the way, there’s a recession coming, courtesy of our financially illiterate proletariat. Good luck everyone 🤞
Toyota have been promising that 'new' technology for at least ten years. It's always going to be released 'next year'. They also say that their hybrid is self charging when in fact it goes absolutely nowhere without burning petrol. They lie all the time.
The biggest issue is price, I can probably manage with an electric car that does 250 miles in range. I do several long journeys each month with work 350-400 miles one around northern scotland and the other in south wales from cumbria.
My dacia does this journey with ease usually on one tank of fuel. It cost less than 20k. The cheapest evs with a decent range are 30-35k. Very few under 80k would do the range of my dacia 550miles. I am not to bothered about the charging network
It's only a matter of time before a 500 mile EV vehicle is available. For now I doubt you'll be interested in an EV as a business vehicle. Infrastructure to support EV charging is slowly rolling out. Charging at home is the most popular and cheapest option. The majority of drivers in the UK do less than 50 miles per day. If you don't want an EV don't buy one..
@@thomasreilly6362There are so many problems, expensive, poor range, awful depreciation, too long to charge up, no chargers anywhere convenient. Petrol and diesel are far superior, fill up in 5 minutes and be on your way.
@@thomasreilly6362 don't worry, people aren't buying them. 500 mile range is irrelevant if you can't charge up anywhere and it costs 50 quid and takes hours.
You must be coining it in with all that milage allowance? You're basically getting a free car. I can see why you drive a Dacia.
I've said it before, if they'd made EVs something to aspire to rather than mandating crap at cut rate prices it would have worked out better.
Now we've just got a load of sheep bleating about their EVs and paying a fortune for the privilege.
I get range anxiety every time I use my electric mobility scooter. 'Can I get one more trip around the supermarket before I take the battery indoors to charge'..... 'if I go up that hill I will knock off a lot of distance off my range.' .... that's enough stress for me!
You charge it in doors! Is it a lithium battery? Did you see the recent Cruise ship balcony that got trashed by a mobility scooter battery fire, or all the house fires from e bikes and scooters? I would charge it in the shed, in one of the readily available on ebay fire proof li battery bags. Even my hand drill batteries are in a steel box at the back of the garage having seen some of those go up.
@stephenwood9687 well yes I do. But they are the older lead acid gel battery's, and of course they are always within view.
I have experienced lipo battries catching fire when left unattended when I used to run an RC car race venue, were we charged lipo race battries on a regular basis. Had a 5amp battery go off like a roman candle while left unattended, darn nigh burnt my race control down. Lucky there were plenty of fire extinguishers around. But how many households are equipped with fire extinguishers?
@@burgesskab Glad to hear it is a lead acid mobility scooter. Yes I used to run veco 19 engined R/C cars and had spare acid car batteries around for my starter box, funny how they never needed to be kept in safe boxes. Don't think any fire extinguishers would put out larger li batteries like scooters and bikes though.
@stephenwood9687 it's a serious concern how many cheap lipo powered toys are being recharged in kids' bedrooms.
You forgot the over inflated price of the things .
44% of UK Households have no ability to home charge
60% of all UK public chargers are 7.4kW or less thanks to Central Govt. funding rules encouraging Local Authoritied into a crude numbers game
They asked 2000 people. Then 37% of the private owner of cars reponded..... hmmmm wonder how many people that 37% consist of. The selection size is too small to have any value, but as long as it fits their narrative, then they're happy I assume LOL. Great video as always Barry 🙂
In Norway the tax incentives are huge in support of Battery cars. Electricity fairly cheap for now, but it's going up. The rise in electricity cost is highest in the southern part of Norway. Wonder why that is? Greetings from Norway. Merry Christmas to all motorists, hmmmm EV's do not have a real motor installed.
BTW I would never buy a battery car, no matter how big the incentive. I'm against government subsidies, any and all of it.
Lots of people cant charge at home its bonkers idea
If the infrastructure was in place for mass electric vehicle charging, if home charging was a viable option for all potential owners, if lithium ion batteries weren't so high a risk of self combustion and the resulting fumes weren't so toxic, if electricity production wasn't so heavily reliant on burning fossil fuels, if depreciation wasn't so catastrophic, if battery range wasn't so impractical, I'd buy one. 👍😁
Hi Barry. I love your videos, but please increase the gain on your mic. I turn it loud to hear you, then get blasted by the advert volume.
Baz hasn't Quentin Willson debunked all of these arguments...😂
Probably 😂
He certainly has but that’s because he’s been paid to do so. He’s also the sort of used car salesman that gave them their reputation for dishonesty.
Quentin is just a tool who will say whatever the man paying him wants him to say.
If you can find it, he did a video posing as a legitimate car review of the MG6 petrol saloon back in the day - 15 years ago, that sort of timescale. It was a truly truly terrible car, but money grabbing wazzock would have the gullible believing it was as good as a Mondeo or BMW 3.
Every time I go to Brent X across the bridge over the north circular, I see a carpark FULL of teslas. I wonder at the cost of having a 200 of them just sitting around.
Reducing the vat on public charging from 20pc to 5pc will bring 89p kWh to 78p kWh. Those that cited that as the reason don't realise that's the small difference it makes.
Anyways, the EV brigade tell us all we need to charge at home on a weird octopussy tariff and only loons pay public prices😂
They can't have it both ways!
My issues are:
Expense (prices are higher)
Inconvenient (charging infrastructure and difficult for people without driveways in order to charge)
Repairs are difficult to get repaired due to the lack of garages that can work on EVs
Resale values plummet (the battery warranty has a big factor on this issue)
No such thing as a cheap runabout in EV world
Alienates young drivers (priced out of driving)
They simply don't replace ICE as well, its just not a better product.
Too much technology and a smartphone is required for effective EV ownership.
what gets my goat is if you look at car reviews on autotrader or parkers, they mark cars down as negative if they don’t have a hybrid or EV option of the model. such as Mazda CX-5 and some škoda models.
they are definitely paid off. it’s a feature, not a negative to have none of these options that mean the car is more complicated and costs more to fix. some people just want a simple old school car, no turbo, no DPF, no BS adblu cow piss
These mags are unwittingly destroying the publics trust in them.
😂 blue cow piss, you learn something new every day 😂
@@ghunt9146 Car mags for decades have given biased reports to the models whose manufacturers treat them to first class flights and the best champagne at the launches. They have no interest in cars that offer good value, reliability, or haven't got the "right badge". A short term road test does not evaluate, buying, running, dealership experience, or real world depreciation.
Always makes me smile when they say how the evs are going to be better next year, but they want everyone to buy this year's, or even last years model..... why would you buy an outdated model when they cost so much.... yes we do it with phones, pcs, and tvs, but we k ow they are use and throw away items. I don't think of a car as that. I like my 20 year old, £1000 cars.
The fact that they pick something that the government control rather than their advertisers, as the reason for not wanting theses things, speaks volumes.
The fact that they are rubbish for most people's needs would never be published.
21.12.24 , driving home during a rain storm , traffic slowed and stopped and I noticed cars were turning around , when I reached the front there was a large puddle , not too deep , half way up the wheel . The cars turning back were EVs the rest of us carried on .
Rather than add more incentives( public money) why not remove the ZEV mandate. Can you predict what would happen?
I have no issue with having to charge at home but will not, under any circumstance, consider having to wait 10, 20, 30, 40 etc minutes at a public charger - assuming you can get straight on to one. That's before considering the ridiculous fees they charge you.
Just wait until the power companies are forced to control when you can use your "smart" charger and the price that you will have to pay controlled through your "smart" meter. It's coming.
My wife is incredibly impatient, the thought of waiting to charge would make her apoplectic. Until a full battery is a 5 min stop EVs are a no go.
@@ohyesitsme Not only that but they will be able to draw FROM your battery when they need to so don't expect to have a full charge to go to work (or an emergency hospital visit) when you need to.
I've been managing with a 100 mile range EV for the last 5 years. Modern ranges would be a breeze for most people especially with a home charger.
Apart from commercial users utilising tax breaks no one in their right mind would buy and EV
I worry about public chargers. They seem to be rather colourless and drab and it worries me. Range anxiety doesn’t bother me at all from the wheel of my 2 litre turbo diesel.
Can’t believe it’s only 62% I’m surprised anybody wants one
I hope you bought it from your local camera shop, 👍
owning an electric car reminds me of when i was growing up my dad had an old Chrysler avenger that had a knackered radiator.... where he was constantly monitoring the temperature gauge and when it got too hot and overhead we all had to sit at the side of the road with the bonnet open for hours until it cooled down again before we could travel onwards... suppose that was range anxiety before these daft milk floats came along
Why can you not just pull up to a charger, plug in and put £20 cash in? Every time I go in a motorway services there's somebody tapping away at their phone and when I come out they're still rattling away at the thing. I watched a bloke in Cltheroe, I went in a cafe had a brew, came out and he was still f ing around trying to charge his car. 1/2 hour later. What's the problem why does charging have to complicated, I still don't want an EV by the way.
@@69waveydavey Should all be contactless surely. The technology and infrastructure is years behind.
Biggest reason people not wanting an EV, is because they are impractical for a lot of people. i.e. Towera of caravans, boats, horse boxes, anyone who wishes to pull heavy items.
Public charging near me 76p per kWh = 19p per mile . Diesel £1.40 per litre at 50 mpg = 12.7p per mile
Correct. But my overnight tariff is 7p per kWh and the car does 3.5 miles per kWh in winter, more in summer. That is 2p or less per mile for 95% of my travel. And the other 5% matches most other people's cost per mile. So my average could be around 3p per mile. But an ICE is always 13p per mile. Every mile.
@@Hitstirrer not really..... ever heard of homebrew biodiesel 😂
@@g.d2450 Ever heard of solar panels?
@@Hitstirrer so you think an initial outlay of £6k-£8k is less expensive than used vegetable oil i get for nothing 🤣🤣🤣 typical ev moron response
Double the number of lithium batteries from 1 tonne to 2 tonnes to double the range. And convert the range quoted from miles to kilometres and that'll fool some people about range anxiety.
Resale values are always going to be an issue to me. If the batteries are only covered for about 8 years. Who’s going to pay a lot for a 4 year old vehicle that might need thousands spending on it in the not too distant future.
Haha Barry 62% of car buyers only think they don't want an EV! If one in seven doesn't go EV that's great! They can fill up the empty buses, use a bike, a scooter, a taxi or use those dangley things stuck on your arse, some call them legs!
There is nothing wrong with the new EVs only the ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject. It's amazing just how thick people are. Electric cars have reached parity in price in
Over the next five years they will be half the price of ice cars.
Sure, the manufacturers will drop them to half the price of ice cars once they get to the EV point of no return, it’s you that’s misinformed I’m afraid, they haven’t reached price parity, that’s the only way they can get people to take them, by giving them away and losing money, people will only buy them at less than they cost to make, it’s a financial decision otherwise they would buy an ice car
I've never queued for petrol in my life. If a pump isn't free, I leave. Half an hour to charge is absolute insanity and that's assuming there's no queue.
I don't now as being retired I travel when I want to, but I still have my petrol ration vouchers from the late 70's crisis and remember queueing then as I needed to get to work! At least then if there was only 2 star fuel available due to the shortage I could retard the distributor and happily run on it! Ah, and it was only about 70p a gallon!
Surely the fact that the Government is increasing VED next year on EVs is a recognition that the market for EVs is not going to grow any further.
To be fair the Tesla system has removed a lot of anxiety. The Model Y juniper coming out in January will have an improved battery so will be even better, and once we start getting the improved batteries from CATL and BYD currently used in China in the next few years the problem should ease. Im sorry but you wont be able to avoid it. The Green legislation in the pipe line and taxation policies in the next four years wont nudge they will shove us into E.V'S . Look what they did in their first Budget, there is four more of them to come.. Lots of you will hate this, but the only glimmer of hope is the Donald isn't a full on Davos puppet and has vowed to drill baby drill.
That's the thing, something better is always coming next year. Yet the system is pushing everybody to buy what is available now.
If EVs were being floted on the market as an option to petrol and diesel, only the most enthusiastic people would have bought the early production models. Much the same as when colour tvs cam on the market. For many years, they were expensive, used a lot of power and caught fire occasionally. But yes they got better, cheaper and people bought them out of choice.
People don't serve their governments. And governments change.
Carrot and stick approach is ok until the carrot doesn`t work and then all that is left is the stick.
My old Mk7 transit can run on cooking oil if I have to!😂
A good sales tactic is to create a need then satisfy that need . EVs are NOT a created need . They are the opposite!
Great vid barrie ,why don't the car industry just ignore this EV shite ,what can the authorities do if all car makers stick togethet ,grow a spine car industry.
Charging an EV on a public charger? You cannot use cash, you need a mobile phone and also have to download the appropriate app and give personal information to the app provider and you need an internet connection and the charger needs to be serviceable and you need enough time to charge, curious when compared to petrol and diesel isn’t it?
I've had 2 EVs. LOVE THEM. NEVER, EVER. EVER going back to ICE cars.
That’s great, they suit your needs 👍
Not the Anxiety of Your House/ Family and Cars being Burnt to a Crisp !!!
i have 2 reasons to have anxiety about getting home before it runs out. One reason is that I am old, the other reason is that I have an EV ?
They are expensive, inconvenient, poor infrastructure in place, dangerous when they catch fire, devalue ridiculously fast and certainly not better for the environment, heavier and damage roads more as a result and eat through tires also perform less well in the cold. Other than that they're ok!🤣🤣🤣
Man - you've really swallowed the FUD pushed by clickbaiters haven't you. Most of that is parrot fodder.
@@Hitstirrer Behave😂
If any of us alive and free in 25 years, we’ll look back at the temporary aberration that was mandated EVs and shake our heads at the lunacy we tolerated.
We won't be able to remember due to frizzled brains and weird cancers from the EMF effects. Things have gone very quiet on that score when you think that some papers on the subject a few years ago even recommended limiting the time spent in a petrol car with just Bluetooth installed, let alone sitting on top of a huge battery for hours.
There is no such thing as "range anxiety". There is simply insufficient range.
The Mobility scheme is a disgrace pushing EVs onto the disabled. I have a blue badge so when i park in disabled space in supermarkets i now notice many more EVs parked with blue badges.
Because I never asked for em and I didn't get to vote for em. Freedom is at stake. I'll never own one.
"Don't want an EV" you can start with everyone who hasn't got a driveway to charge it on, what percentage of the population is that?
Lucky people with a home chargers 2p per mile , less well of ( no drive ) 20p mile
Petrol same price for all
Brilliant
You forgot the £1200 to install a decent charger.
There is no way I would save money with an EV. I have a good condition, low miled ICE car which has no problems and I own it outright. It costs me £30 per week in fuel and it is a fairly desireably model with minimal depreciation. Even if I could charge for free an EV would cost me much more in the long term.
These days, range itself isn't a concern. Cars are perfectly adequate for most peoples range needs. People now need to know that when they get to a planned charger that it will work. They aren't bothered about getting there. So you can't add those people, who are not bothered about range, to those who do fret about range. That's poor logic.
So why have you had to 'plan a place to charge'?? is it because of the range of the car your driving?, I don't have to plan my 2 x 800 mile monthly journey stops to refill my diesel 4x4.
@@JackOfski The word 'plan' is putting too much emphasis on it. On a long trip I have always had my 'planned' stops in mind - even in a petrol car - usually at 200 miles distance or four hours to leg stretch and have a bio break and coffee/snacks. The difference now is that I deliberately 'plan' or 'select' places where there are at least six Rapid chargers to avoid queuing and/or broken units that could happen if there were only one or two units there. That 'plan' or 'selection' is also to choose places with eating/drinking/loo facilities - just as petrol drivers also choose/plan/select but don't put those words onto it. It's just what we do, isn't it? People think they have to criticise EV drivers for planning when they do the very same themselves on long trips. They also 'plan' places to stop and refuel. No difference really.
@@Hitstirrer It's often the case when driving an EV that you need to depart from your route to find a charger whereas you will see any number of petrol stations along your route.
@@Hitstirrer No, you have to plan where you stop because of the range limits on your car, and if you get stuck in heavy traffic in the cold your heating etc etc will drain your mileage so you will have less mileage and therefore have to make a new plan closer to charge.
You can go off the proverbial beaten track in an ICE vehicle, no planning at all😂@@Hitstirrer
I don't want any car newer than 2016.
Look Barrie, stop talking commons sense....it's just too much🤣I'm the same, I also need bribing to buy an iPhone and Mac too🤣...not
My samsung phone battery not good after 2 years, don't want an ev!!
EV's are basically crap.
EV's,an illogical solution to an imaginary problem. Toy cars that run for a few miles on batteries are not wanted. The are garbage in the cold or hot or when it is raining. JUNK.