@@goosnavslakovic4908 but that didn't happen until the very end and he definitely deserved the praise for it. Every other time Joker would actually pull off a sick Ridley play and they'd just shrug it off as being weird
@@KillerKodoogan this character has more than proven that he's really damn solid this meta with results all the way back in December when Vreyvus made grands against Gluttony in Europe at one of their majors. Since then players such as Tweek, Vreyvus, Trela, Overlade, Plup and recently Joker have shown this character is no means to be slept on. Character has really solid neutral, range, very speedy on the ground, great edgeguarding and his advantage state is monstrous. 9 months in and commentators still spreading false info about the character and his results is just ignorance at that point and disrespectful to those who did put in work
Great job on the Ridley play! Got some guts to use him against a Fox player let alone one of the best. I'd say the one notable downfall was - and it's definitely something _all_ Ridley players struggle with - is falling for Ridley's fake combo game. It's soooo tempting to go for follow ups that aren't true. It's that unfortunate part of Ridley's frame data in that moves look like they link into each other when they don't. BTW also good job on actually trying to use Down B and _especially_ for using Up B on stage! Ridley players need to start doing this more often!
Bowser is faster than Ridley in the air, Dedede has more jumps, and Samus is heavier. He's literally a giant armored purple dinosaur with WINGS. His lightness and stiffness in the air don't even make sense for him as a character
I've never considered this... Every time you see him in an animation or trailer (even the Melee opening) his movement looks slinky and smooooooth. This might be a great argument for change; staying true to his character. Or, maybe they base it on his original appearances in Metroid, where everything looks clunky. You can't win them all. I'm just glad he's in the game.
The way one commentator talked down on The guy using Ridley just because he was using Ridley really left me annoyed and disappointed. He needs to work on that. Kudos to the match and players.
Perhaps it's my experience playing high level foxes in melee for so long but Samus should always control foxes approaches so they don't run a train on you. Super missle is a great way to put them in a bad spot because your goal is to keep them still to put Samus in a better position to be aggressive. Keep the fox reflecting while avoiding your own projectiles, they will be frozen in place during the cool down animation while giving you opportune moments to pressure with mix ups without them running away resetting neutral. Walling them out is also essential because they'll beat out your defense if you stay in shield. Short-hop fade back fair into Lower Forward Tilt is a tight frame trap that fox won't risk approaching. You can mix up that up with Fsmash if they get to close or anything you want.
Light is honestly such a cool player. I really like his playstyle and how flashy and clean it is. That wavedash at 7:42 and the final shield break was sick.
these two put on a hell of a show. greatly enjoy both their plays. also i didn't see the commentators being biased. they were just being realist about how much advantage Fox has so often.
Honestly, this was a great showing from Joker. Had he made a few less mistakes and edgeguarded more aggressively, I very well could've seen him taking the set. Ridley's tools abuse Fox's disadvantage state so much, but the reverse is true as well.
Massive respect for the players who choose underdog characters, playing top tier characters, and keeping up very well. They could take the easy way out and use the top tier but they choose the fighters they love to play with
No. That’s a real scrub take. They play low tier characters because they feel like they are the best fit for them. Not because “we must weigh ourselves down because we are too powerful.”
@@biffyguybiffy6292 Not so much as "weigh myself down" but they play for fun and not "Look at me I'm a sweaty tryhard with another Fox main". Hey, it's all up to interpretation though it seems.
@@biffyguybiffy6292 never said fox was top tier. Ah but even people at high level play still play for fun, not all of them are in it for their "livelihoods." What I'm getting at is I find it honorable and interesting that they choose to play low tier well enough to really max out the limits of those characters and compete. People like YB, Awestin, and so forth.
I’m new to smash and I have a question... is there a reason so many pro players let so many whiffs and very minus moves go unpunished ? I always see grabs whiff or even a smash attack whiff and it’ll go unpunished. I’m an nrs player, where we know all our frames (idk if smash players do also) so I’m just curious
It's kinda harder to punish whiffs and unsafe moves in Smash than it is in traditional fighting games. When an opponent hits your shield, in addition to having to know how many frames of shieldstun a move has, you also have to deal with shield push (how far a move that hits your shield moves you back), which depends on the knockback of the move, and on the shielding character's traction. Also, Smash Ultimate specifically has a ton of moves that are safe on shield, in contrast to Smash 4, where most moves were unsafe on shield. As for whiffs, I think it's because there's so much more mobility in the game. Kinda hard to explain.
@@flip.flap. Not to mention input delay, move startup, and human reaction time all making that even harder. Joker really didn't do bad at all in terms of punishing while staying safe for the most part here.
I think he was afraid of Fox coming over the top and punishing, but it would've been great to cover the ground with them. If the first one hits, it's such a free setup to dash and maybe side b.
That broken shield at the end was op seriously (just 1 back air and you can broke a shield of a heavy with bacj air to doxn smash? Da fuck?) , fox need a nerf on that
juggling is not something you "spam" it requires you to read and react to their air drift and landing options. Some characters like ridley make it easier tho
@@MajorNyberg lol u dont know what spam is. What light did was thoughtful, well executed juggles, but ppl like u cant appreciate that and try to discredit it as something its not
I am not questioning his gaming skills or calling him bad. What he does is clearly effective and the right thing to do. It is still spam, skillful spam but spam nonetheless.. and I still find it boring and frustrating to watch. Here is the definition of spamming in games from Wikipedia: "Spamming, in the context of video games, refers to the repeated use of the same item or action. In fighting games, one form of spamming would be to execute the same offensive maneuver or combo so many times in succession that one's opponent does not receive a chance to escape the series of blows." So clearly you don't know what spam is.
That was a good match, i just wish Light didn't taunt. That was a long matchup and he kinda had the favor if anything so he shouldn't be bragging at all. Also he was so easily predictable many times where Joker called him out and even I saw all those edgeguard options. He's not very good off stage it seems which is why he played in the middle most times.
Light taunts even while he loses... That’s just how he plays; he definitely wasn’t bragging. I probably would’ve taunted if I had beaten someone who plays an annoying heavy character in a tournament too. And yeah, nice hindsight bias. If you were playing, those things wouldn’t have seemed obvious. Spectating and playing are inherently different.
ugh, I frickin hate fox. Not an interesting character to watch. It felt like Joker was the better player, but Light just had major frame data on his side
@A human being True--too many of the same options over and over. Pika, Joker, Ganon, Ken, Falcon, and Cloud (if it's Sparg0) are some of my favorites to watch.
Light connects
Commentators: what a play!
Joker connects
Commentators: that was weird
"light with the next level play"
bro he just did spotdodge usmash
shit makes me laugh irl
smash 4 and ultimate commentators have always said stupid shit. pay it no mind.
commentators giving light a good time below the camera view
Matt Kim i like this reply thank you
So annoying to hear the commentators jerk it to Light, but not giving Joker any acknowledgement of how much hard work he put into playing Ridley.
Light is sick but yeah joker is clean af but I prefer his samus(bad matchup here). Have you seen joker/gluttony
I know right? He had some many sick techs whenever he was stage spiked
@@pinkworm5348 that joker gluttony match was hype af joker made one too many errors but definitely my favorite player atm
Well yeah it's kinda hard not to gush over lights gameplay when he broke jokers shield with fox
@@goosnavslakovic4908 but that didn't happen until the very end and he definitely deserved the praise for it. Every other time Joker would actually pull off a sick Ridley play and they'd just shrug it off as being weird
As a Ridley main, I enjoyed the representation.
Me too g
You can taste how biased the commentators are
jumping and pressing nutral and up and b is not what get you fans right.
Fun fact: the sleeves on light's shirts are designed to suppress his power levels.
Lord Boros who?!
When he pulls up the sleeves it's done
Hes got that Goku weighted shirt on
@@lukemedina19 He got that Kenpachi Eyepatch on
Joker should just change his name to Metroid. Love the shirt.
Joker: plays Ridley and Samus.
We never saw it coming
😑 ... 👏👏
😓...👏👏😑👏👏
This matchup is free as hell for Fox yet Joker still brought it to game 5 Jesus
That's because there's almost no unwinnable MUs in this game.
Commentators ate their words so many times this set
Ethan Violette god they were so annoying lol
Let's play another commentator edition of "Not paying attention to what Ridley has done at majors as of recent and what he can actually do lol'
They knew absolutely nothing about Ridley, kind of annoying to listen to.
@@KillerKodoogan this character has more than proven that he's really damn solid this meta with results all the way back in December when Vreyvus made grands against Gluttony in Europe at one of their majors.
Since then players such as Tweek, Vreyvus, Trela, Overlade, Plup and recently Joker have shown this character is no means to be slept on.
Character has really solid neutral, range, very speedy on the ground, great edgeguarding and his advantage state is monstrous.
9 months in and commentators still spreading false info about the character and his results is just ignorance at that point and disrespectful to those who did put in work
ST Kingpin. Hi, I’m a Ridley main that generally gets top 8 at my weekly....... RIDLEY FUCKEN SUCKS.
Ridley is pretty dope, just wish the smash team would adjust his weight and damage output making it more proportionate to his size
He's already good at all levels exept for top level gameplay. He could jump to hightier by giving him a killthrow at around 120% tho
rospoho da fuck 120% that’s ridiculously good for a kill throw. Ridley already has side b which kills around 110-130
Minjae Kwon 120 at the ledge isn’t unreasonable
Increase his weight and give him a landing hitbox on down air. I think that's all he really needs.
@@inediblemangoes7797 hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahha 110-130 yeah i wish it was that
Joker doing Ridley good justice! Good stuff
Some of these commentators be biassed
Great job on the Ridley play! Got some guts to use him against a Fox player let alone one of the best. I'd say the one notable downfall was - and it's definitely something _all_ Ridley players struggle with - is falling for Ridley's fake combo game. It's soooo tempting to go for follow ups that aren't true. It's that unfortunate part of Ridley's frame data in that moves look like they link into each other when they don't.
BTW also good job on actually trying to use Down B and _especially_ for using Up B on stage! Ridley players need to start doing this more often!
9:04
"I just can't imagine him having any better of a time landing here-"
*Immediately lands*
Bowser is faster than Ridley in the air, Dedede has more jumps, and Samus is heavier. He's literally a giant armored purple dinosaur with WINGS. His lightness and stiffness in the air don't even make sense for him as a character
I've never considered this... Every time you see him in an animation or trailer (even the Melee opening) his movement looks slinky and smooooooth. This might be a great argument for change; staying true to his character. Or, maybe they base it on his original appearances in Metroid, where everything looks clunky. You can't win them all. I'm just glad he's in the game.
@@Pslamist he's airborne 90% of the time in the metroid games yet he's mostly a ground based character in this
@@dorkasaurus_rex bullshit at its finest
@@dorkasaurus_rex I wish he could schmoove. I'm still having a lot of fun with him; he's my new pocket.
The way one commentator talked down on The guy using Ridley just because he was using Ridley really left me annoyed and disappointed. He needs to work on that.
Kudos to the match and players.
Nobody gave him shit for playing Ridley what are you on about lmao
@@Bacchus325 Riiiight, well watch the video again and tell me if he didn't say anything negative just because dude was playing Ridley..
Well I guess that settles that
Ridley isnt hype though. I like when Joker play Samus the combos look awesome.
Ridley is like a side return bside return like yeah reall fun
EVERY hit Light lands leads into a conversion! What a beast, I'd crack under that kind of pressure
Perhaps it's my experience playing high level foxes in melee for so long but Samus should always control foxes approaches so they don't run a train on you. Super missle is a great way to put them in a bad spot because your goal is to keep them still to put Samus in a better position to be aggressive. Keep the fox reflecting while avoiding your own projectiles, they will be frozen in place during the cool down animation while giving you opportune moments to pressure with mix ups without them running away resetting neutral. Walling them out is also essential because they'll beat out your defense if you stay in shield. Short-hop fade back fair into
Lower Forward Tilt is a tight frame trap that fox won't risk approaching. You can mix up that up with Fsmash if they get to close or anything you want.
brah easier said than done espically against Light
What an ending, I didn't see the shield break coming at all
Thanks to the comments I did
@@yoelperez6202 OOF reading the comments before watching the video is meesteak number 1
Light is honestly such a cool player. I really like his playstyle and how flashy and clean it is. That wavedash at 7:42 and the final shield break was sick.
Anyone else notice that at the beginning of the video the names are switched
Noticed that too lol
Yep, very noticeable
i did! researching how to play fox
RIDLEY GANG RISE UP!
RIDLEY?! YEAH BOYYYYY!
Tweek made a top 8 with Ridley
pretty sure it wasnt an a or s tier event tho
@@Greeds_ B and C tiers can also be PGR
Daniel Garcia I don’t think he went full Ridley tho
JayDPhan, he went all Ridley until he dropped to games to frozen. He then switched and lost the set.
Biffyguy Biffy ^
these two put on a hell of a show. greatly enjoy both their plays.
also i didn't see the commentators being biased. they were just being realist about how much advantage Fox has so often.
Even if I already knew the result, I just wanted to see Joker win this set ;(
Joker needs to nair off stage more! Light had too many free recoveries
If he misses or light techs Ridley can’t get back to stage against fox.
It doesn't really matter, as a Ridley player, you don't do it because it work,you do because it gets you damage
Where my Ridley mains at
Going 0-2 at weeklys.
Honestly, this was a great showing from Joker. Had he made a few less mistakes and edgeguarded more aggressively, I very well could've seen him taking the set. Ridley's tools abuse Fox's disadvantage state so much, but the reverse is true as well.
These commentators did a great job of saying Insightful things about the match and not just announcing what’s happening on screen
I wonder how YB would do against A high level fox player like light. Fox is one of Samus bad matchups.
There's a game against Larry Lurr's Fox at prime saga
@@Rodri92Irdor but Larry's Fox is not top level atm
@@Pedro-ho2xj agree, but is good enough to destroy Yb, it seems we need to figure out counterplay
Rodrigo Pereira not saying much, that is a shitty matchup
He got bodied before. Samus fox is trash, Ridley even tho a shit character is good against Fox because he is good at edgeguarding Fox
Awesome ridley
Told y’all Joker is top 10
Massive respect for the players who choose underdog characters, playing top tier characters, and keeping up very well. They could take the easy way out and use the top tier but they choose the fighters they love to play with
No. That’s a real scrub take. They play low tier characters because they feel like they are the best fit for them. Not because “we must weigh ourselves down because we are too powerful.”
@@biffyguybiffy6292 Not so much as "weigh myself down" but they play for fun and not "Look at me I'm a sweaty tryhard with another Fox main". Hey, it's all up to interpretation though it seems.
Hydro Cronus, first off fox isn’t top tier.
Secondly, there is no such thing as a tryhard at top level play. This is their livelihoods.
@@biffyguybiffy6292 never said fox was top tier. Ah but even people at high level play still play for fun, not all of them are in it for their "livelihoods." What I'm getting at is I find it honorable and interesting that they choose to play low tier well enough to really max out the limits of those characters and compete. People like YB, Awestin, and so forth.
Biffyguy Biffy I’d say fox is top tier
Hypeee set for the space pirates
That went from hopeful to painful for Joker.
Cool to see Ridley in action though. Don't think I'll be him (it?).
Male
That set broke my heart, Light’s just too good.
Great set!
4:35 You can FEEL that's when Light actually pulled up his sleeves..! x')
5:34 that angle by light was sick
個人的にオンラインで苦戦しがちなリドリーにこんな圧勝…すごいとしか言い様がありません。
@0:31 The name change is on the hit. Good recovery, guys 😂
I’m new to smash and I have a question... is there a reason so many pro players let so many whiffs and very minus moves go unpunished ? I always see grabs whiff or even a smash attack whiff and it’ll go unpunished.
I’m an nrs player, where we know all our frames (idk if smash players do also) so I’m just curious
It's kinda harder to punish whiffs and unsafe moves in Smash than it is in traditional fighting games. When an opponent hits your shield, in addition to having to know how many frames of shieldstun a move has, you also have to deal with shield push (how far a move that hits your shield moves you back), which depends on the knockback of the move, and on the shielding character's traction. Also, Smash Ultimate specifically has a ton of moves that are safe on shield, in contrast to Smash 4, where most moves were unsafe on shield. As for whiffs, I think it's because there's so much more mobility in the game. Kinda hard to explain.
well said
@@flip.flap. great explaination
@@flip.flap. Not to mention input delay, move startup, and human reaction time all making that even harder. Joker really didn't do bad at all in terms of punishing while staying safe for the most part here.
Imo Ridley is low high tier, he has a lot of amazing aspects albeit his matchup chart isn’t favorable. Hope to see more of him!
I think TOP of Mid tier is more accurate for him, if he was heavier and had more angles on his recovery yes he would be high tier.
so is THIS then the joker that batman needs to defeat?
Is nobody going to talk about the taunt to get killed combo at 10:36?
CookieAlas history is told by the winners 😔
Melee fox skin would be amazing.
oh my goodness game 2
Tf was that good ass shield setup
Does Joker have any twitch channel, twitter or else ?
That's what I've been looking for.
Ggs Mexicano
Anyone else think that this dude Joker looks like Izaw?
No
Ridley is hype as fuck. That up-B kill had me floored.
Light's fox is my favotrite thing in ssbu
the sauce at the end tho lol
Joker : Ridley!?
Joker (smash player) : Ridley (character)
Wolf O'Tsundere Baka PLAYZ Pg3d , Roblox and more, actually he’s a Samus main. His twitter is literally “lowtiersamus”
Man light shat on that samus, literally forced him to approach with lasers and destroyed him every time
Tbh joker could have dealt with lasers way better by using plats
comett itun, do you know what happens when you purposely jump on a platform against fox?
Biffyguy Biffy Up + A
lil vampire, so is that an uptilit, up smash or do you have tap jump on and that’s up air?
You need to be more specific.
Biffyguy Biffy classic up smash💨
Why no fireballs??
They would’ve just gotten reflected I’m guessing
I think he was afraid of Fox coming over the top and punishing, but it would've been great to cover the ground with them. If the first one hits, it's such a free setup to dash and maybe side b.
リドリーでここまで戦えるとかすげーよ
おい
はい
Cancer matchup and stage selection but despite this Joker did INCREDIBLE.
Aaaayy plus I take any chance I can to see a fellow pirate engrave that L in Light's forehead
average comms, but awesome set
That Ridley got the job done in my opinion 🤙🏼
My friends weren’t exaggerating when they said if your against Fox I gotta switch
Both of my mains Fox and Samus (Wolf to ) lol
Still prefer Vreyvus ridley gameplay tho but Joker is really good with too !
Joker is wayyy better man haha
@@nickylam4129 mh not really Imo, but that Just my opinion ^^
Lights a beast
Wow these guys sure wanted Light to win lol
SOMEONE GIVE LIGHT A SLEEVLESS SHIRT
What will he pull up when he needs to get serious then??
@@ManMalboro he whips the shirt off when he gets serious
He wore one before he got sponsored but now he has too.
4:14 that shit was nice af but of course the commentators ignore it
Light needs a secondary no matter how good fox is
nah
does marss, samsora, or mkleo have a secondary
KA0S Those characters all have something that fox lacks. Safe disjoints.
@@betheprotag im not sure what's zss' disjoints are but i dont think she has any at least any safe ones
KA0S Nair and zair, pretty much her best spacing tools...
Who counterpicks Fox with fucking Ridley and FD lmao
That broken shield at the end was op seriously (just 1 back air and you can broke a shield of a heavy with bacj air to doxn smash? Da fuck?) , fox need a nerf on that
So frustrating watching Fox matches, just spam juggle that seems impossible to get away from.
juggling is not something you "spam" it requires you to read and react to their air drift and landing options. Some characters like ridley make it easier tho
It is repetitive and annoying therefor I consider it spam, skill doesn't really change that.
@@MajorNyberg lol u dont know what spam is. What light did was thoughtful, well executed juggles, but ppl like u cant appreciate that and try to discredit it as something its not
I am not questioning his gaming skills or calling him bad. What he does is clearly effective and the right thing to do. It is still spam, skillful spam but spam nonetheless.. and I still find it boring and frustrating to watch.
Here is the definition of spamming in games from Wikipedia:
"Spamming, in the context of video games, refers to the repeated use of the same item or action. In fighting games, one form of spamming would be to execute the same offensive maneuver or combo so many times in succession that one's opponent does not receive a chance to escape the series of blows."
So clearly you don't know what spam is.
Guess smash players gotta stop juggling then. My bad, *spamming*
El maestro Fox es el mejor
The commentary this whole top 8 was so fucking shit but this set's really takes the cake.
That was a good match, i just wish Light didn't taunt. That was a long matchup and he kinda had the favor if anything so he shouldn't be bragging at all. Also he was so easily predictable many times where Joker called him out and even I saw all those edgeguard options. He's not very good off stage it seems which is why he played in the middle most times.
Light taunts even while he loses... That’s just how he plays; he definitely wasn’t bragging. I probably would’ve taunted if I had beaten someone who plays an annoying heavy character in a tournament too. And yeah, nice hindsight bias. If you were playing, those things wouldn’t have seemed obvious. Spectating and playing are inherently different.
He really plays everyone except joker huh
Yep both of the characters that aren't joker. The only 2
Lmao, I know at least 5 character that aren't joker
As a Samus main, this Samus was garbage.
I don't see you in top 8 of an A tier, Mr. Samus main.
@@robg6501 1v1
@@robg6501 yooo drop your code. My samus is at 5.4 mil gp. Holla
@@robg6501 i guess not
ugh, I frickin hate fox. Not an interesting character to watch. It felt like Joker was the better player, but Light just had major frame data on his side
I feel like you’re just saying that bc the commentator said fox has better frame data compared to bad characters like Ridley
@@comettitun8087 The commentator may have said it...doesn't mean it isn't a fact? 🤷♂️What is your point?
@A human being True--too many of the same options over and over. Pika, Joker, Ganon, Ken, Falcon, and Cloud (if it's Sparg0) are some of my favorites to watch.
Commentators very biass .
Don't light look like J Cole? XD
people are still pretending this a real game?
is it a fake game?