I loved watching these large tape libraries work and the robot move around scanning and moving tapes. We had an HP library with blue LED lighting inside made them look even cooler. The robot parts of an older IBM library (TS3500) worked flawlessly for years, but we did have to extract tapes from the LTO drives since they'd jam on occasion.
Thanks you a lot sir for your channel and knowledge sharing, it is awesome and i envy you to be able to play and work with this kind of equipment. Keep it up with the excellent work, your's and Mikes channel are my favorite, for content and person being. Thank you a lot again, watching all your videos!
I need this to organise my electronic components... Just put them in little tape-sized tubs and tell the robot to bring one to you :P Maybe one day I'll be able to build one.
if all the tape racks, and other stuff were removed, and the cabinets were altered, they would make nice Server Rack cabinets. many years ago, I remember seeing a movie of the old style tape reel Library's, that selected the media and placed it on the tape drive. I think it was an IBM system. [ not sure of the model ] maybe at the phone Co., but this is even cooler! I have long hair, and this is the first time I have actually seen you really good, in one of your videos, and noticed you were rockin the Locs too. :) Awesome Video as always, Dude. Rock On!
1:30 reminded me of some sort on The Daily WTF (probably) a long time ago... Where a machine like this one was miscalibrated and it didn't stop at the last row, it tried to keep going, smashed into the glass pane and either just made a loud bang, or broke the glass and injured some poor manager they were demoing it to.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Because there isn't a market for them (usually thanks to licensing issues) and re-using components is better than buying new if you take this stuff apart for a living. Plus, there's only so many cool, large items you can keep in your collection.
*_"The seventh generation of LTO Ultrium tape media delivers 6 TB native capacity and up to 15 TB of compressed capacity"_* 15 terabytes per cartridge × 12,006 cartridges per system = 180,090 terabytes (assuming one control/import/export station and about 23 high density expansion modules and text porn) 180 petabytes... That's a LOT of porn.
@@Falcrist Falcrist ok, this is your direct quote. < "The seventh generation of LTO Ultrium tape media delivers 6 TB native capacity and up to 15 TB of compressed capacity" 15 terabytes per cartridge × 12,006 cartridges per system = 180,090 terabytes (assuming one control/import/export station and about 23 high density expansion modules) 180 petabytes... That's a LOT of porn. > given the date of your comment and the standard you mention you are talking about the LTO-7 standard. that has a 6TB native capacity. These tapes are only able to reach 15 assuming the data is compressible. your comment the calculation you give is assuming maximum possible compression. so you saying that "15 terabytes per cartridge × 12,006 cartridges per system = 180,090 terabytes" very much means your capacity quoted is under maximum compression. hence why i say "Images and video content usually can't really be compressed, so the assumed 15tb capacity usually can not be achieved" if you read the paper that comes with each tape it will say X.XTB* then on the reverse side will say *assuming X:X compression.and in my time working in the industry (My specialisation is in Linux, Storage technology and backup infrustructure I.E tapes) I have very rarely seen this backup compression achieved and never seen it achieved when writing Video or Images.
@@btecpostmaster I'm not sure what compression they're talking about, but the capacity is simply the capacity. Also, video can basically always be compressed more. You just have to use lossy compression. Also also, not all porn is video.
wonderful. excellent. I can't do better (guess I should delete the raw material of my adic teardown video, but I'll probably show the boards later this year)
Mmmmm, those linear slides are really nice! - I'm really surprised to see that bearing being so damaged, and the robot still working. How many hours has this been in operation?
Blank It's used LTO3, as he showed somewhere around minute 4, that's really small capacity, without compresion it's 400GB per tape, that's nothing. I mean there are SSDs coming with 64000GB...
We already have one... and we got this one for free (we offered the customer free removal). It's dated from 2003, so already a bit older than it looks.
You certainly can.... but I have no idea how. I would first look inside. Sometimes the external connections are labelled on the board (like PON=power on). If not, turn it on and measure the output voltages in standby. You will probably have a 5V standby pin and one that has something between 2-4Volts. Normally that's the power-on pin that must be tied to ground to make the P.S. work. If you try it carefully it might work.... or blow your P.S. up :-)
Play with Junk theres a lot with 5 volt on them. I found a pinout on google pdf just search ps2328-martek power and its the top pdf 3 pages. I tried connecting the relay control pin to logic ground and the fault light goes on and the dc ok light comes on but no output. I tried the enable pin to gnd. I tried remote on/off to gnd no output. Did em all at thr same time
Its all about capacity this one uses lto3 most of the newer units lto5 and above, its all about storage size. E.g...lto7 can store up to 180,000 tb in 2.5:1 compression. These like he said only 400gb per tape, up to 800gb i think with the 2:1 compression. That's my take from what I can find from some quick google searches, i was wondering the same thing myself.
Yes but this one is a first generation. Many parts are not compatible with the new ones. And we already have a complete machine in stock. So I decided to keep only the electronic parts. There is no need to store the entire rack.
31:39 I dont recommend this practice. If you happen to touch a live wire, you are done since you lost all the insulation. Of course it supposed to be an RCD somewhere. But dont trust them %100. It happen at the place where I worke. They used to do the same, one time got a very nasty shock. No kidding. Be carefull dude
4:08 120 TB per cassette of the size that you show? That is 10 times more than the biggest hard drive, if that is correct how the hell is that even possible?!!
It's amazing isn't it? According to Wikipedia the LTO-10 cassette has a capacity of 36TB uncompressed and 90TB compressed data. So I was not too far off with 120TB :-) How is it possible? Well one cassette holds a tape 960 meters long and 1/2" wide. That's a much larger area than any disk. The bit density is probably lower than on a disk but....you still have more space for bits. Tape area 120'000 cm2 (960m x 12.5mm) Disk area 750 cm2 (6 platters @ 3,5" not regarding center hole) Data compression adds a factor of 1,5 to 2,5 to the native capacity. But this is not usable on disks because it's too slow.
This could have gotten a second life with new Gen2 electronics (updated main controller/Robotics controller) and a Gen 2 robot. This older generation uses an Aegus cable, (which is unique per library size) whereas a new generation now has cog and the robots use power rails for power and control communication. This would have been a total retrofit and except for the racks and magazine almost nothng would stay....
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I loved watching these large tape libraries work and the robot move around scanning and moving tapes. We had an HP library with blue LED lighting inside made them look even cooler. The robot parts of an older IBM library (TS3500) worked flawlessly for years, but we did have to extract tapes from the LTO drives since they'd jam on occasion.
Now i just want one... to look at it.. love these things
Thanks you a lot sir for your channel and knowledge sharing, it is awesome and i envy you to be able to play and work with this kind of equipment.
Keep it up with the excellent work, your's and Mikes channel are my favorite, for content and person being.
Thank you a lot again, watching all your videos!
You're welcome :-) and thanks for watching...!
That doesn't seem like junk. That seems like it would still be pretty useful.
I need this to organise my electronic components... Just put them in little tape-sized tubs and tell the robot to bring one to you :P
Maybe one day I'll be able to build one.
if all the tape racks, and other stuff were removed, and the cabinets were altered, they would make nice Server Rack cabinets. many years ago, I remember seeing a movie of the old style tape reel Library's, that selected the media and placed it on the tape drive. I think it was an IBM system. [ not sure of the model ] maybe at the phone Co., but this is even cooler!
I have long hair, and this is the first time I have actually seen you really good, in one of your videos, and noticed you were rockin the Locs too. :) Awesome Video as always, Dude. Rock On!
“Oops, That Was The Wrong Screw”. 😂
You’ll Have That On These Big Jobs. 👍
This Video was so helpful!!! Thanks a Millions!
You're welcome a million.... How did my video help? Are you repairing such a beast?
“Ok, Let’s Take It Apart” Every SuperHero Has A CatchPhrase.
1:30 reminded me of some sort on The Daily WTF (probably) a long time ago... Where a machine like this one was miscalibrated and it didn't stop at the last row, it tried to keep going, smashed into the glass pane and either just made a loud bang, or broke the glass and injured some poor manager they were demoing it to.
I bet someone would love the rails, belts and motors for a cnc project...
You can just buy them though... why take apart a perfectly good tape system?
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Because there isn't a market for them (usually thanks to licensing issues) and re-using components is better than buying new if you take this stuff apart for a living. Plus, there's only so many cool, large items you can keep in your collection.
I remember small scale old solutions one external 4 bay DDS2 tape drive and one internal DDS3 tape drive
PMD motion controllers...can't remember where I last saw those.
I don't think I would want to know how much the ESD tiles cost!
*_"The seventh generation of LTO Ultrium tape media delivers 6 TB native capacity and up to 15 TB of compressed capacity"_*
15 terabytes per cartridge × 12,006 cartridges per system = 180,090 terabytes (assuming one control/import/export station and about 23 high density expansion modules and text porn)
180 petabytes... That's a LOT of porn.
add too more zeros (18,000 PB), and that would be all the Porn as of 2016..
Images and video content usually can't really be compressed, so the assumed 15tb capacity usually can not be achieved
@@btecpostmaster Compression has nothing to do with capacity.
@@Falcrist Falcrist ok, this is your direct quote. < "The seventh generation of LTO Ultrium tape media delivers 6 TB native capacity and up to 15 TB of compressed capacity"
15 terabytes per cartridge × 12,006 cartridges per system = 180,090 terabytes (assuming one control/import/export station and about 23 high density expansion modules)
180 petabytes... That's a LOT of porn. > given the date of your comment and the standard you mention you are talking about the LTO-7 standard. that has a 6TB native capacity. These tapes are only able to reach 15 assuming the data is compressible. your comment the calculation you give is assuming maximum possible compression. so you saying that "15 terabytes per cartridge × 12,006 cartridges per system = 180,090 terabytes" very much means your capacity quoted is under maximum compression. hence why i say "Images and video content usually can't really be compressed, so the assumed 15tb capacity usually can not be achieved" if you read the paper that comes with each tape it will say X.XTB* then on the reverse side will say *assuming X:X compression.and in my time working in the industry (My specialisation is in Linux, Storage technology and backup infrustructure I.E tapes) I have very rarely seen this backup compression achieved and never seen it achieved when writing Video or Images.
@@btecpostmaster I'm not sure what compression they're talking about, but the capacity is simply the capacity.
Also, video can basically always be compressed more. You just have to use lossy compression.
Also also, not all porn is video.
wonderful. excellent.
I can't do better (guess I should delete the raw material of my adic teardown video, but I'll probably show the boards later this year)
I must try to get a hold of one of these units I am thinking it might be able to repurpose one of these into a giant DIY 3D printer?...
Should make an advanced version of the auto-gun from breaking bad with the parts, like a mini gun in back of a van or something?
would be cool to mod that machine to be a parts storage rack
Mmmmm, those linear slides are really nice! - I'm really surprised to see that bearing being so damaged, and the robot still working. How many hours has this been in operation?
I don't know. The base module was manufactured in 2003 and the expansion was added later. They certainly have many thousand hours of operation.
Every jukebox needs -
• Spare gas spring (2:34)
• Spare fuses (10:24)
The gas spring is not a spare, there are 2 springs per door. And the fuses obviously were never used... :-)
Would make a good vending machine :-)
I have though about that. Making some empty cartridges and fill them with snacks.
Play with Junk It would make a nice swiss chocolate vending machine
Why was this scrapped? It looks modern enough? How much did it cost you?
Blank It's used LTO3, as he showed somewhere around minute 4, that's really small capacity, without compresion it's 400GB per tape, that's nothing. I mean there are SSDs coming with 64000GB...
They probably went to a different library. It could had been upgraded to LTO7 but I guess they decided against it.
We already have one... and we got this one for free (we offered the customer free removal). It's dated from 2003, so already a bit older than it looks.
@@PlaywithJunk why is it not upgradable to LTO7 with new drive unit? It's just mechanical stuff essentially.
Can you tell how old this machine is? The controller boards look pretty 90s-ish
2003 is the date of the base unit. The expansion cabinet was added later.
I'd like to have one. how sad!!!
Wow. Wo bekommt man so etwas? Das Teil ist der Hammer. Würde ich mir sofort ins Büro stellen.
z.B. hier: www.interbolt.eu/en/spd/003737/Scalar-i2000-Enterprise-Tape-Library-4x-LTO-FC-Dri
(plus Transportkosten... :-))
Danke. Ich hatte erwartet, dass das teuerer kommt.
I have that power supply but want to use it as a bench power supply. Can i fool the logic to turn on the output power by jumping any of the pins?
You certainly can.... but I have no idea how. I would first look inside. Sometimes the external connections are labelled on the board (like PON=power on). If not, turn it on and measure the output voltages in standby. You will probably have a 5V standby pin and one that has something between 2-4Volts. Normally that's the power-on pin that must be tied to ground to make the P.S. work. If you try it carefully it might work.... or blow your P.S. up :-)
Play with Junk theres a lot with 5 volt on them. I found a pinout on google pdf just search ps2328-martek power and its the top pdf 3 pages. I tried connecting the relay control pin to logic ground and the fault light goes on and the dc ok light comes on but no output. I tried the enable pin to gnd. I tried remote on/off to gnd no output. Did em all at thr same time
This is a 2KW supply outputting 48Vdc (nominal 52V) , so about 40 Amps.
I needed a back up device for my PC, what would have been the Buy it now price on ebay :-)
I saw one new for £40'000. There is another refurbished for $1600
:-)
Well ship it to Archive.org they need more room..$$$$$
Viel zu schade zum zerlegen. Aber trotzdem top Video von dir .👍👍👍👍👍
Ja ich weiss... aber manchmal muss eben etwas weg. Man kann nicht alles behalten.
@@PlaywithJunk Ja ich weiss😉 Kann ich bei dir anfangen , finde sowas interessant und mach sowas auch gerne.
I don't get it, the Scalar i6000 is still on sale.
Its all about capacity this one uses lto3 most of the newer units lto5 and above, its all about storage size. E.g...lto7 can store up to 180,000 tb in 2.5:1 compression. These like he said only 400gb per tape, up to 800gb i think with the 2:1 compression. That's my take from what I can find from some quick google searches, i was wondering the same thing myself.
It can be upgraded to LTO7 by swapping out the drives and the SAN controller.
Yes but this one is a first generation. Many parts are not compatible with the new ones. And we already have a complete machine in stock. So I decided to keep only the electronic parts. There is no need to store the entire rack.
douro20 o ok I didn’t know just googled around.
Wow, that thing could store a lot of porn.
IBM had a similar robotic arm called the 3850 mass storage unit from the late 70's. Check out my video here:
ruclips.net/video/V8ifNxDgxuY/видео.html
31:39 I dont recommend this practice. If you happen to touch a live wire, you are done since you lost all the insulation. Of course it supposed to be an RCD somewhere. But dont trust them %100. It happen at the place where I worke. They used to do the same, one time got a very nasty shock. No kidding. Be carefull dude
i think he might have unplugged it.
looks like a G3 or G4 CPU
4:08 120 TB per cassette of the size that you show? That is 10 times more than the biggest hard drive, if that is correct how the hell is that even possible?!!
It's amazing isn't it?
According to Wikipedia the LTO-10 cassette has a capacity of 36TB uncompressed and 90TB compressed data. So I was not too far off with 120TB :-)
How is it possible? Well one cassette holds a tape 960 meters long and 1/2" wide. That's a much larger area than any disk. The bit density is probably lower than on a disk but....you still have more space for bits.
Tape area 120'000 cm2 (960m x 12.5mm)
Disk area 750 cm2 (6 platters @ 3,5" not regarding center hole)
Data compression adds a factor of 1,5 to 2,5 to the native capacity. But this is not usable on disks because it's too slow.
Bit squeaky
Yeah. And today I found what it was. The felts on the vertical roller thing needed a drop of oil. I first thought it was the belt... but it was not.
This could have gotten a second life with new Gen2 electronics (updated main controller/Robotics controller) and a Gen 2 robot. This older generation uses an Aegus cable, (which is unique per library size) whereas a new generation now has cog and the robots use power rails for power and control communication. This would have been a total retrofit and except for the racks and magazine almost nothng would stay....