This was some pretty big anti-Braves bias as a Mets fan from Marc. He hates on Ozzie Albies a lot, but I can see why. Max Fried just finished the season with an ERA below 2.48 and finished top 2 in NL Cy Young voting. Marc doesn't even count him as a top 20 pitcher? He was top 2 in the entire National League! Kyle Wright leads all of MLB in wins but doesn't even count as a top 30 pitcher? I'm sorry but a top 2 Cy Young finish and an MLB wins leader should never end up being counted as zero top 20 pitchers. I can see a world where someone might think Wright may never be able to replicate those wins, but he still should have been in the top 30 somewhere. I can't even slightly understand how Max Fried, as the 2nd best pitcher in the National League period somehow doesn't even crack the top 20. Both of those pitchers could have easily made the top 10 and no one would have a right to complain. Fried should have made the top 5 for sure. The fact that neither of them cracked this Mets fan's list of even the top 20 is total nonsense. Marc... I can get the hate on Albies. He was injured and didn't play much at all last season. Dumping on the MLB wins leader and one of the top 2 NL Cy Young finishers by claiming neither of them even belong in the top 20 is clearly either bias against the Braves after they have won your team's division every single year for the past half decade or favoritism towards other pitchers who are clearly just not as good as them. How do you finish top 2 in Cy Young if you aren't even a top 20 pitcher? How do you lead MLB in wins if you aren't even a top 30 pitcher? You don't. It's that simple. Both Max Fried and Kyle Wright have the stats to back up they are top 10 pitchers. The fact that you consider neither of them even top 20 pitchers shows clear and present Mets fan anti-Braves bias along with your bashing of Ozzie Albies. If those guys are as low as you rank them, how do they keep beating the Mets to win the division year in and year out?
Glasnow is way more talented, and will probably be higher by the time next year's list comes out, but yeah based on how good Manoah was last season, he should be higher.
meh. i’m a jays fan and i can even say glassy is a bit better than manoah. however if you’re considering the 2022 season alone however then yeah alex comes out on top
28 for Manoah is insane. I don’t care if he doesn’t strike guys out, every since the dude came into the league he has been a stud. 300+ innnings of sub 2.50 ERA ball
The disrespect towards Manoah is crazy. You said his stuff fell off near the end of the year is the furthest thing from the truth. He had an ERA under 1 in the last month of the season. Guy was the best pitcher in baseball in September. Just wow
Yea sometimes I wonder what dude is thinking. The fact Gausman was ranked ahead of the likes of McClanahan Urias Musgrove Manoah and others. It made no sense
@@carterelkins7891 He didn't even mention Urias and had him at 17th? He and Max were finalists! Personally, I think Urias was better, but both should be in the top 10.
Gerrit Cole has a 3.66 ERA since the updated foreign substance ban in 2021 and you’re telling me he’s going to be the 6th best pitcher in the league next year.
yeah, I can agree on that. He's still maybe a top 15-20 pitcher, but the stats back up what you're saying and show that he isn't top 10 right now. I'd rank Rodon higher than Cole.
I came to see what spot he had him at. He had him ranked lower than Kershaw lol.. 2023 is Urias' contract year and he's a Boras client. He hasn't had a bad season in over 3 years...
he's not. everyone knows he's really good, but there are a handful of pitchers who are definitely better. dodger fans just loooove overselling their players, and ig the way they feel like doing this with Urias is by calling him "underrated."
Love the rankings videos! As someone who watched them all year, Manoah is WAY better than Gausman. Gausman gets lit up sometimes, but Manaoh always battles… just needs to figure out how to get lefties out
@@brendonbuffaloe8830 It was barely 50%, lol, and Urias finished 3rd in CY voting after finishing 9th the year prior. He's a top 10 pitcher in the league, and Mark's going to look like a fool again like he did with last year's rankings.
@@DannyGutzwiler Technically true, but Kershaw had a 2.28 ERA with 126 IP and 137 K's. Had Kershaw pitched a full 162 IP, he would have been a top 5 pitcher in the league and definitely better than Urias. And Kershaw's supposed to be "washed". Hope he continues to pitch "washed" then.
Julio Urias led NL in ERA 2.17 and 2nd in wins 17. He won 20 games last year 2.90 Era. Picked 3rd best pitcher in MLB by bleacher report. Giraffeneck is blind and dum
I’ve been okay with most of Marc’s lists so far. Ofc having some picks here and there I would move a bit. But this list is by far the most I disagreed with, not just Fried (as a Braves fan), but quite a few that I just don’t see. But it’s all about “jumping off the page” I guess rather than game results I guess.
@@Insomniack yeah mostly agree. I’m somewhat biased bc I played with max a little in high school and always thought he was better giolito despite every scout being obsessed with Giolitos velo. I think urias needs to be higher too. I think fried puts up the same numbers for the next 10 years (sadly, as a Mets fan)
@@PopcornChicken99 I think the bigger issue is that he’s behind Nola who had an era over a full run higher than him and Nola is in the top 10 but he isn’t
I can understand Kyle Wright not being super high since this was his first full season really being in our rotation, but he should have atleast been on the list. I know you don’t want to put 3 Braves pitchers on the list but you gotta give credit where credit is deserved. Wright was elite last year
Wright wasn't elite in any important category. He had a nice year and it resulted in a lot of wins, but K rate, walk rate, hard hit %, ERA, FIP...WHIP....he wasnt elite in any of it. To be fair, this list is a little strange. Wright had similar numbers to Logan Webb and Webb made the list. It's also his personal ranking. Just his opinion. The Braves certainly have a great rotation. I'm actually partial to Ian Anderson because he's relatively local to me. I hope he gets back on track. He has ridiculous postseason stats already.
Generally agree with your rankings but this video was a miss for me, still love the content of course you’re awesome dude! My main issues were with Castillo, Cease, and Fried being so low.
Strider made ONE statement about the Mets and backed it up with those advanced stats that you love so much and he's always making excuses when he loses 😂😂😂
Believe me, if it was a pitcher on the Mets who made that statement instead, the entire world would NEVER let Mets fans or that pitcher live it down for the rest of his career. Regardless if its true or not, as a pro athlete, you don't make excuses. He's young, so he'll learn, but it never looks good. Even if what he said was true (really, it was, the mets did get lucky, but they also put the ball in play, to their credit), you just dont say it. You just dont.
With Justin Verlander I swear he could still be pitching in MLB by the time he's 80 yet still pitch like he's in his prime. The dude is basically the fine wine ofMLB he just keeps getting better with how older he gets
gonsolin and urias not being on here is crazy. Urias with 180+ innings and gonsolin with a sub 2.5 ERA and over 100 innings before getting injured after the all-star break
@@meadalofhonor1234 He doesn't get whiffs but doesn't generate enough groundballs to warrant that. He's amazing and can get better, but peripherals project him regressing.
Marc, great rankings. Keep the content coming. I couldn’t take this list seriously after seeing Manoah at #28…AL CY young candidate, and after a stellar rookie season too? Lol. It’s clear you’ve literally never watched the jays play
@@cpsea15 no he’s not. What’s your argument for not ranking him high. How much lower does his ERA and other stats have to be for you to admit his greatness?
Fr, and all he said was that things weren’t going his way that game. I was at it and he can a terrible zone to work with and bullshit like basehits of the bag.
@@Wolf-lx9xo Yeah, but that happens in baseball. As a baseball fan first, you want your young pitcher to learn that you can't make excuses for poor results in professional sports.
lmfao dog walk? he pitched 5 innings the next time out with 4ks, dude barley just qualified for a win innings wise. And with zero pressure, already having a 5+ run lead before he even took the ball.. Then in the postseason couldn't even get out of the 3rd. Y'all Braves fans got ur head so far up ur asses LMAO
I don’t think a pitcher should be ranked lower because they “don’t have the strikeout stuff.” Producing good results should determine if their elite or not
I do not like Braves but tend to agree. Nola no where belongs in equation. Wheeler and Fried are both good pitchers but as a Met Fan. We always had more trouble with Fried than we did with Wheeler!
@@garyweightman5936 Nola had a bad year in 2021 and was gassed in the World Series … dude has finished top 5 in cy young multiple times tho, doesn’t walk anybody, and strikes out almost a third of the batters he faces. I think that’s warranting of a borderline top ten spot
I think this shows some Mets bias, for sure. I'm a Mets fan too, but to say we average out that high on individual position rankings is pretty crazy. I agree with some of his, like McNeil and Alonso being top 5 and Diaz being the best closer, but I guess we'll see if it translates to wins. Thanks for the putting this together. Nice work.
Romano and now Monoah? The Blue Jays pitching staff is getting severely underrated here. Marc must not like maple syrup, because this dude is making it his job to downplay Canada's team.
Yet he says the Jays have one of the best rotations yet underrated them on these bad lists. And yeah, Romano was indeed underrated. Marc’s reasoning for ranking him low was because he didn’t strike out as many batters as year before. Who cares about strikeouts, getting outs is getting outs.
Shane McClanahan should be top 10. He is way too low. He was able to be the best pitcher in the AL for half the season, only falling off due to a shoulder impingement, and some extremely statically unlucky games (the average velocity of the hits he gave up in his Guardians blowup start was 78mph). He has a similar strikeout rate to Dylan Cease, yet half the walk rate. He has a better groundball rate than guys like Verlander who are stars, and has had way better peripherals than Alek Manoah, who all projections show regressing next year. McClanahan has 4 plus pitches, something most pitchers could only dream of. The only guys I would for sure take over him right now are deGrom, Sandy, Burnes, Verlander, Ohtani, Scherzer and maybeee Cole, although his stats have been better than Cole since being called up.
As an Astros fan, both rankings of the two guys HOU has in there are right on the mark, although, gotta say, how in gods name to you put Cease and Manoah so low?
@@paulhopkins1905 the way Marc ranks isn’t how I would, but he prioritized a high strikeout rate which Valdez just doesn’t have. If we’re talking about overall impact in 2022 and the 2022 postseason I think Valdez was #1
I know it doesn’t mean much in terms of rankings, but Max Fried had an arguably better year that Corbin Burnes last year even pitching in Atlanta vs Milwaukee.
It’s literally insane how bad your rankings are in terms of pitchers. I didn’t think it could get worse than the Relief Pitcher video but this one definitely tops it.
As a 5”2 125 pound 12 year old pitcher, Alex Manoah has been my idol ever since he pitched at WVU. Homie dominated in the All Star Game. Top 10 is what I was hoping for
Super mets biased in my opinion. Love degrom but at this point his health has to drop him. Very much contradicting yourself by downing pitchers for “lack of innings” or “health” when degrom hasn’t pitched past 100IP since 2019. Fried and Julio should be higher. I praise consistency rather then upside
The disrespect of Monoah is unbelievable. He was a finalist for Cy Young and was the most consistent pitcher for the jays by far! I’m done listening to your takes after this tbh
Alek Manoah: 2.24 ERA, 0.92WHIP, 196.2 IP, 28th best pitcher Max Scherzer: 2.28 ERA, 0.908 WHIP, 145.1 IP, 5th best pitcher I am not saying Scherzer is the same level of Manoah. What I’m saying is they’re close, so how is Maonoah a bottom end ace, and Scherzer is elite?
Someting that’s import to note is that with the shift being outlawed next season, pitchers who pitch to contact will suffer more than those who have high K rates. Therefore I think pitchers who strike out a ton (like cease for example) should have been higher on the list. But overall, list is pretty valid.
Cease also led the league in walks last year. I think the walk numbers hold him back a little. He also really just broke out in 2022. So he's had 1 elite season in his career so far. If he produces a similar season in 2023 and lowers his walk rate without much change in hit and k rate, I could see him being top 10 for sure.
While I’ll admit ERA is hardly the best stat to judge pitchers since it doesn’t account for the ballpark or their defense, you don’t get an ERA that low without dominating. Verlander was absolutely the best pitcher last year
I get this guy is a Mets fan and doesn’t know how to be unbiased but fried at 21 is disgusting he got cy young votes this year and has been elite the past 3 years
HOW MUCH TIMES DO I NEED TO SAY THIS IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH A PITCHER STRIKES BATTERS OUTS GHERIT COLE IS A STIKEOUT BEAST DOES THAT MEAN HES THE BEST PITCHER IN BASEBALL NO!!!
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“And that’s why Jacob Degrom is the #2 Pitcher, #1 is obviously Edwin Diaz”
@Unsold Liberty this clown probably doesn’t even watch baseball bro 😂
@Unsold Liberty he's a Met to Marc
This was some pretty big anti-Braves bias as a Mets fan from Marc. He hates on Ozzie Albies a lot, but I can see why. Max Fried just finished the season with an ERA below 2.48 and finished top 2 in NL Cy Young voting. Marc doesn't even count him as a top 20 pitcher? He was top 2 in the entire National League! Kyle Wright leads all of MLB in wins but doesn't even count as a top 30 pitcher? I'm sorry but a top 2 Cy Young finish and an MLB wins leader should never end up being counted as zero top 20 pitchers. I can see a world where someone might think Wright may never be able to replicate those wins, but he still should have been in the top 30 somewhere. I can't even slightly understand how Max Fried, as the 2nd best pitcher in the National League period somehow doesn't even crack the top 20. Both of those pitchers could have easily made the top 10 and no one would have a right to complain. Fried should have made the top 5 for sure. The fact that neither of them cracked this Mets fan's list of even the top 20 is total nonsense.
Marc... I can get the hate on Albies. He was injured and didn't play much at all last season. Dumping on the MLB wins leader and one of the top 2 NL Cy Young finishers by claiming neither of them even belong in the top 20 is clearly either bias against the Braves after they have won your team's division every single year for the past half decade or favoritism towards other pitchers who are clearly just not as good as them. How do you finish top 2 in Cy Young if you aren't even a top 20 pitcher? How do you lead MLB in wins if you aren't even a top 30 pitcher? You don't. It's that simple. Both Max Fried and Kyle Wright have the stats to back up they are top 10 pitchers. The fact that you consider neither of them even top 20 pitchers shows clear and present Mets fan anti-Braves bias along with your bashing of Ozzie Albies. If those guys are as low as you rank them, how do they keep beating the Mets to win the division year in and year out?
Starting Pitchers.
@Unsold Liberty He hates on Albies because Braves fans think he’s Jose Altuve. If he wasn’t so grossly overrated, Marc wouldn’t need to do that
Cease at 20 is CRAZY, “potential to be one of the best”, he just was!!!??
Yeah! He’s minimum top 10 and more likely top 5
He’s top 10, but I’m a sox fan so I’m prob biased
As a jays fan I’d say at least top 15 like manoah should be
Top 8 easily
Giraffe 🤡marc
Manoah at 28 is criminal. Also being behind Glasnow is ridiculous
Glasnow is way more talented, and will probably be higher by the time next year's list comes out, but yeah based on how good Manoah was last season, he should be higher.
meh. i’m a jays fan and i can even say glassy is a bit better than manoah. however if you’re considering the 2022 season alone however then yeah alex comes out on top
Glasnow clears that regular season merchant
This is absolutely nuts that he even put gausman over manoah how is manoah so low 100% a top 10 pitcher
Putting Manoah behind Fried is what really annoys me
28 for Manoah is insane. I don’t care if he doesn’t strike guys out, every since the dude came into the league he has been a stud. 300+ innnings of sub 2.50 ERA ball
Where would you put him.
@@mkadoza Top 15 AT LEAST. Easily top 10 though
I would put Manoah at # 12 and I would put ShoTime # 1 the Man is the GOAT 🐐
@@trevorcarey3997 othani is good overall but if he would be pitcher only he would be just above average
@@daleftywizard9227 Top tier K rate and 172 era+ is not "just above average" by any stretch of the imagination.
The disrespect towards Manoah is crazy. You said his stuff fell off near the end of the year is the furthest thing from the truth. He had an ERA under 1 in the last month of the season. Guy was the best pitcher in baseball in September. Just wow
These latest rankings have been pretty awful, relief pitching one was really bad too.
Agree especially the tigers cause they he’d one of the best bullpens and I can name five better the Gregory Soto
Yea sometimes I wonder what dude is thinking. The fact Gausman was ranked ahead of the likes of McClanahan Urias Musgrove Manoah and others. It made no sense
Manoah's BABIP, HR/FB, xERA, FIP and xFIP all suggest he got lucky this year. This is rankings for 2023, not 2022.
how did he do in the wildcard again?
For a guy that finished Top 3 in Cy Young Voting to be at 28 is criminal
I’m a die hard Yankee fan and agree with u 100%. How is Manoah so low
And fried was second in the cy young and was ranked 21st
@@jaydumon2784 and he mentioned everyone else's cy finishes and failed to mention Max finishing 2nd, lmfao mets bias is real
@@carterelkins7891 He didn't even mention Urias and had him at 17th? He and Max were finalists! Personally, I think Urias was better, but both should be in the top 10.
Max fried at 21 is wild… most underrated pitcher in the game
No
I wouldn't agree with the 2nd part, but yeah what the hell
He's not better than anyone ranked ahead of him
He values k rate and fip over basically everything which causes some issues.
@@ronmexico7256 But the thing is Fried has an amazing FIP for a guy with a not very high K rate.
28 for Manoah is criminal
No chance Manoah is only 28
Manoah was 3rd in cy young. having him at 28 is crazy
Marc really botched this list. I get pitchers are hard to rank but still.
How did this age?
Gerrit Cole has a 3.66 ERA since the updated foreign substance ban in 2021 and you’re telling me he’s going to be the 6th best pitcher in the league next year.
😂😂😂😂😂 yankees fans must thrown him some money. cole is no where near that
Cole is elite
@@austinwoods5858 when he cheated yup. he got taken to pound town by mutiple teams atfer he got caught
@@choppacrewboysgaming6178 no he’s still elite
yeah, I can agree on that. He's still maybe a top 15-20 pitcher, but the stats back up what you're saying and show that he isn't top 10 right now. I'd rank Rodon higher than Cole.
cole over verlander is crazy
No
@@thedragon7649 Verlander destroyed him by every metric. Even when they were on the same team, Verlander outpitched him
Cole over Valdez was stupid
@@paulhopkins1905 cole over anyone is stupid
As a Yankees fan Verlander has always been better than cole. But imo Verlander the best pitcher in baseball
Julio Urias is maybe the most underrated pitcher in baseball
I came to see what spot he had him at. He had him ranked lower than Kershaw lol.. 2023 is Urias' contract year and he's a Boras client. He hasn't had a bad season in over 3 years...
Bro he is the most overrated player in all of baseball. Look at the man’s fip
he's not. everyone knows he's really good, but there are a handful of pitchers who are definitely better. dodger fans just loooove overselling their players, and ig the way they feel like doing this with Urias is by calling him "underrated."
When he isnt getting into domestic abuse cases lol
@@josefstein9062what does that have to do with his pitching performance or his ranking at all😭
Love the rankings videos! As someone who watched them all year, Manoah is WAY better than Gausman. Gausman gets lit up sometimes, but Manaoh always battles… just needs to figure out how to get lefties out
nah. gausman was unlucky
Oof
damn
Julio Urias at 17 is crazy bro he had a Cy Young like year
So did 90% of these guys
@@brendonbuffaloe8830 It was barely 50%, lol, and Urias finished 3rd in CY voting after finishing 9th the year prior. He's a top 10 pitcher in the league, and Mark's going to look like a fool again like he did with last year's rankings.
He was better than Kershaw this year
@@DannyGutzwiler Technically true, but Kershaw had a 2.28 ERA with 126 IP and 137 K's. Had Kershaw pitched a full 162 IP, he would have been a top 5 pitcher in the league and definitely better than Urias. And Kershaw's supposed to be "washed". Hope he continues to pitch "washed" then.
Agree or disagree with where you have players, I love that this is becoming an annual thing. Hope to see it next year again.
Julio Urias led NL in ERA 2.17 and 2nd in wins 17. He won 20 games last year 2.90 Era. Picked 3rd best pitcher in MLB by bleacher report. Giraffeneck is blind and dum
I’m a Mets fan and fried is criminally underrated. He doesn’t strike guys out at an elite rate, who cares! He doesn’t give up runs and he’s reliable
Totally agree!
I’ve been okay with most of Marc’s lists so far. Ofc having some picks here and there I would move a bit. But this list is by far the most I disagreed with, not just Fried (as a Braves fan), but quite a few that I just don’t see. But it’s all about “jumping off the page” I guess rather than game results I guess.
@@Insomniack I want to know why he snubbed Kyle Wright.
@@Insomniack yeah mostly agree. I’m somewhat biased bc I played with max a little in high school and always thought he was better giolito despite every scout being obsessed with Giolitos velo. I think urias needs to be higher too. I think fried puts up the same numbers for the next 10 years (sadly, as a Mets fan)
How does Julio Urias go down? He had a better season then he did last year. He was also 3rd in cy young.
Other guys just had better seasons
@@PopcornChicken99 I think the bigger issue is that he’s behind Nola who had an era over a full run higher than him and Nola is in the top 10 but he isn’t
@@jasonpaslean9771 outside of ERA Nola has better stats.
@@jasonpaslean9771Phillies have terrible Defense which doesn’t help Nola. Nola has a FIP over a whole run lower than Urias.
Having Verlander at 8 after the season he just had is criminal
He was trying to appease the people who would call him biased. Unfortunately...
@@davidrusso6400 If he was trying to appear unbiased, having Scherzer that high doesn't help.
@@JawaPenguin16 yeah... Scherzer at 8 was pretty lol
@@aquarpioleonine3995 Verlander was 8
@@davidrusso6400 But he was an Astro, so that’s hardly Mets bias
Kyle wright not being on this is criminal
Fax. At the end of the day, when u put him on the mound, u get a win
Leads majors in wins, gets no respect from Mets fan. Sounds legit.
I’ve been ok with every list so far but I’ve got issues with this one
"He fell off towards the end" Manoah won pitcher of the month is september, during that time he pitched to a 0.84 era. That aint falling off
I can understand Kyle Wright not being super high since this was his first full season really being in our rotation, but he should have atleast been on the list. I know you don’t want to put 3 Braves pitchers on the list but you gotta give credit where credit is deserved. Wright was elite last year
Wright wasn't elite in any important category. He had a nice year and it resulted in a lot of wins, but K rate, walk rate, hard hit %, ERA, FIP...WHIP....he wasnt elite in any of it.
To be fair, this list is a little strange. Wright had similar numbers to Logan Webb and Webb made the list.
It's also his personal ranking. Just his opinion.
The Braves certainly have a great rotation. I'm actually partial to Ian Anderson because he's relatively local to me. I hope he gets back on track. He has ridiculous postseason stats already.
Call me crazy Kyle Wright should be on the list, he was top 10 in NL Cy Young 3.19 era, 1.16 whip, 174 punch outs, 21 wins in 180 innings in 2022
Generally agree with your rankings but this video was a miss for me, still love the content of course you’re awesome dude! My main issues were with Castillo, Cease, and Fried being so low.
and manoah
Manoah was kind of unfairly ranked too. Lots of question marks on this list.
Strider made ONE statement about the Mets and backed it up with those advanced stats that you love so much and he's always making excuses when he loses 😂😂😂
Believe me, if it was a pitcher on the Mets who made that statement instead, the entire world would NEVER let Mets fans or that pitcher live it down for the rest of his career.
Regardless if its true or not, as a pro athlete, you don't make excuses. He's young, so he'll learn, but it never looks good. Even if what he said was true (really, it was, the mets did get lucky, but they also put the ball in play, to their credit), you just dont say it. You just dont.
Castillo at 18 is wild
Should be within 15
monaoh at 28 is crazy
Regular season merchant
Exactly how did he even think to put him that low that’s crazy
@@brandontong759 so is the panthers and the whole rays offense💀
@@brandontong759 bro we have seen 1 playoff start
@@brandontong759 so is shane McClanahan
“And that’s why Kodai Senga is the best pitcher in baseball”
As a Yankees fan, gerrit cole is not even a top 10 😭
With Justin Verlander I swear he could still be pitching in MLB by the time he's 80 yet still pitch like he's in his prime. The dude is basically the fine wine ofMLB he just keeps getting better with how older he gets
gonsolin and urias not being on here is crazy. Urias with 180+ innings and gonsolin with a sub 2.5 ERA and over 100 innings before getting injured after the all-star break
Urias was on here but your right not even HAVING Gonsolin is crazy when your putting Yu Darvish instead.
Manoah at 28!!!!!!! Blasphemy
Based on performance yeah he's too low, but his regression is very possible.
@@ryanclark1450 have u seen his career so far 😂since he came up dominant he hasn’t peaked yet
It’s crazy he is top 10
@@meadalofhonor1234 He doesn't get whiffs but doesn't generate enough groundballs to warrant that. He's amazing and can get better, but peripherals project him regressing.
I can make better rankings and this guy cares about strikeouts and strikeouts only
Marc, great rankings. Keep the content coming. I couldn’t take this list seriously after seeing Manoah at #28…AL CY young candidate, and after a stellar rookie season too? Lol. It’s clear you’ve literally never watched the jays play
overrated
@@cpsea15 no he’s not. What’s your argument for not ranking him high. How much lower does his ERA and other stats have to be for you to admit his greatness?
Marc still crying himself to sleep over the fact Strider dissed the Mets one time and then proceeded to dog walk them the next time he played them💀😂
Fr, and all he said was that things weren’t going his way that game. I was at it and he can a terrible zone to work with and bullshit like basehits of the bag.
Lmao why yall crying, Marc literally complimented him the entire segment 🤣 It doesn't take away that Strider always complains
Marc doesn’t like his Mets questioned. He tends to get salty when his god squad isn’t being revered. Poor Marc.😂
@@Wolf-lx9xo Yeah, but that happens in baseball. As a baseball fan first, you want your young pitcher to learn that you can't make excuses for poor results in professional sports.
lmfao dog walk? he pitched 5 innings the next time out with 4ks, dude barley just qualified for a win innings wise. And with zero pressure, already having a 5+ run lead before he even took the ball.. Then in the postseason couldn't even get out of the 3rd. Y'all Braves fans got ur head so far up ur asses LMAO
I don’t think a pitcher should be ranked lower because they “don’t have the strikeout stuff.” Producing good results should determine if their elite or not
Even though the O's didn't have a pitcher on the list I think for a "bend but don't break" starting rotation they did pretty damn well.
Dont understand how DeGrom ends up on top of these lists when he doesn't play anymore.
My guy, he ended the season healthy. This is going into 2023.
@@sluggernott he's ready to pitch lights out for another 40 innings 💪💪💪truly the greatest pitcher in baseball
Max fried at 21 is wild he is better than both wheeler and Nola
I do not like Braves but tend to agree. Nola no where belongs in equation. Wheeler and Fried are both good pitchers but as a Met Fan. We always had more trouble with Fried than we did with Wheeler!
Wheeler is better than both and belongs around 5, Nola around 10 is right, but fried should also be there too
@@samg5737 Wheeler is Good. Fried is too but Truthfully did not see that much out of Nola.Not consistent at all.
@@garyweightman5936 Nola had a bad year in 2021 and was gassed in the World Series … dude has finished top 5 in cy young multiple times tho, doesn’t walk anybody, and strikes out almost a third of the batters he faces. I think that’s warranting of a borderline top ten spot
@@samg5737 OK Top 10 we will see. Sure 1 Bad Year could happen.As a Mets Fan more worried about Phils in 23 so LOL hope not so
Max Fried is criminally underrated
Totally agree
Mad respect for aggressively ranking Burnes #2. Dude is an absolute beast.
Over Verlander though?
And over Alcantara Rodon ohtoni and scherzer
@@petekowalczuk4795 in fairness, at his best Byrnes rivals deGrom in terms of pure stuff, but I agree he shouldn’t be that high
The disrespect to mcclanahan is insane
“And that is why Justin Verlander is the greatest specimen to ever walk the universe”
Here are some fun stats on the rankings, teams are sorted by average rank along with their highest rank for each position.
Team (Avg): C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF, DH, RP, SP
1. Mets (6.82): 22, 4, 3, 4, 3, 13, 4, 7, 9, 1, 5,
2. Braves (9.18): 4, 5, 13, 4, 20, 18, 5, 4, 7, 8, 13
3. Astros (9.55): 31, 7, 1, 5, 12, 11, 11, 5, 1, 6, 15
4. Blue Jays (9.64): 5, 3, 14, 7, 8, 14, 14, 6, 10, 14, 11
5. Padres (9.91): 26, 6, 10, 1, 5, 1, 13, 2, 16, 4, 25
6. Yankees (11): 17, 9, 10, 14, 26, 7, 12, 1, 4, 15, 6
7. Cardinals (11.09): 6, 1, 16, 2, 11, 5, 16, 13, 12, 9, 31
8. Phillies (11.82): 1, 10, 24, 23, 1, 2, 24, 12, 3, 21, 9
9. Guardians (12.09): 21, 12, 4, 3, 17, 1, 27, 16, 11, 2, 19
10. Dodgers (13.09): 2, 2, 14, 32, 18, 22, 18, 3, 6, 13, 14
11. Mariners (13.18): 8, 8, 11, 8, 19, 27, 2, 8, 31, 5, 18
12. Brewers (14.73): 13, 18, 34, 18, 10, 6, 21, 22, 8, 10, 2
13. Angels (14.81): 18, 29, 26, 15, 27, 4, 1, 10, 2, 27, 4
14. Rangers (15.09): 14, 6, 2, 20, 6, 33, 22, 9, 27, 26, 1
15. Orioles (15.09): 3, 15, 15, 10, 22, 15, 8, 15, 24, 11, 31
16. Rays (17.45): 35, 25, 8, 11, 9, 3, 23, 23, 17, 16, 22
17. White Sox (17.91): 11, 25, 34, 19, 14, 34, 6, 26, 5, 3, 20
18. Twins (18.09): 19, 16, 9, 24, 30, 17, 3, 21, 22, 7, 31
19. D-backs (18.28): 30, 11, 7, 22, 28, 10, 9, 17, 28, 23, 16
20. Royals (20.91): 10, 13, 32, 9, 29, 25, 15, 27, 15, 24, 31
21. Red Sox (21.36): 27, 19, 34, 6, 18, 28, 29, 19, 7, 17, 31
22. Giants (21.55): 29, 17, 21, 26, 32, 8, 17, 11, 30, 19, 27
23. Marlins (21.64): 33, 27, 6, 28, 25, 23, 25, 25, 14, 29, 3
24. Pirates (22.09) 35, 24, 25, 12, 21, 21, 7, 30, 25, 12, 31
25. Cubs (22.55): 32, 32, 30, 27, 7, 12, 20, 14, 13, 30, 31
26. Rockies (23.09): 4, 23, 23, 13, 23, 9, 26, 28, 26, 18, 31
27. Tigers (24): 23, 30, 27, 32, 16, 26, 10, 18, 23, 28, 31
28. Reds (24.73): 9, 22, 20, 31, 30, 29, 30, 29, 19, 22, 31
29. Nationals (26.73): 16, 26, 33, 29, 24, 30, 28, 24, 31, 22, 31
30. A’s (28.64): 35, 21, 31, 32, 31, 31, 29, 20, 29, 25, 31
I think this shows some Mets bias, for sure. I'm a Mets fan too, but to say we average out that high on individual position rankings is pretty crazy. I agree with some of his, like McNeil and Alonso being top 5 and Diaz being the best closer, but I guess we'll see if it translates to wins.
Thanks for the putting this together. Nice work.
Bro get a life
Honestly...I'm shocked the Mets fan, who runs a Mets podcast is obviously and clearly biased toward the Mets for best team. Shocked, I say.
Romano and now Monoah? The Blue Jays pitching staff is getting severely underrated here. Marc must not like maple syrup, because this dude is making it his job to downplay Canada's team.
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Yet he says the Jays have one of the best rotations yet underrated them on these bad lists.
And yeah, Romano was indeed underrated. Marc’s reasoning for ranking him low was because he didn’t strike out as many batters as year before. Who cares about strikeouts, getting outs is getting outs.
@@dehavillandcanadatwinotter9621 Lol for real
In a time crunch? I got you.
30. Kirby, SEA
29. Cortez Jr, NYY
28. Manoah, TOR
27. Webb, SF
26. Musgrove, SD
25. Darvish, SD
24. Glasnow, TB
23. Javier, HOU
22. McClanahan, TB
21. Fried, ATL
20. Cease, CWS
19. Bieber, CLE
18. Castillo, SEA
17. Urias, LAD
16. Gallen, ARI
15. Valdez, HOU
14. Kershaw, LAD
13. Strider, ATL
12. Woodruff, MIL
11. Gausman, TOR
10. Nola, PHI
9. Wheeler, PHI
8. Verlander, NYM
7. Rodon, NYY
6. Cole, NYY
5. Scherzer, NYM
4. Ohtani, LAA
3. Alcantara, MIA
2. Burnes ,MIL (NOT better than Sandy.)
1. deGrom, TEX
This video feels very mixed and all over the place
Burnes is better than alcantara
@@Tourszs17 🧢
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Worst list oat I
My respect for Marc after this list:📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉
I knew we were in for something controversial when I saw manoah and Nestor at 28 and 29
I mean, at least both of them top 20. I mean cmon
@@BooBoo_17 manoah is top 10 in my opinion
I don't understand how he ranked them so low they both had sub 2.5 ERA's and are always solid
@@samuelsteiner3854 exactly same with fried he’s probably the most underrated pitcher right now
Shane McClanahan should be top 10. He is way too low. He was able to be the best pitcher in the AL for half the season, only falling off due to a shoulder impingement, and some extremely statically unlucky games (the average velocity of the hits he gave up in his Guardians blowup start was 78mph). He has a similar strikeout rate to Dylan Cease, yet half the walk rate. He has a better groundball rate than guys like Verlander who are stars, and has had way better peripherals than Alek Manoah, who all projections show regressing next year. McClanahan has 4 plus pitches, something most pitchers could only dream of. The only guys I would for sure take over him right now are deGrom, Sandy, Burnes, Verlander, Ohtani, Scherzer and maybeee Cole, although his stats have been better than Cole since being called up.
you know ball
Marc what do you want Cease to do? Win the CY? He just finished 2nd dude. This is really really bad
Immediately so glad to see Kirby in the top 30
Was surprised Martin Perez wasn’t on here. He was nasty last year and consistent all year.
Who?
@@BryanKuchta your mom
I'm glad you noticed Framber Valdez, cause he's so, so good!
So is Javier. These are top 15 SP
As a Yankee fan alek manoah is sooooooo low. One of the best right handed arms in the pros. Time to put respect on that mans name!
Manoah should be top 10, he finished top 3 in cy young and is straight nasty, your not changing my mind
Learn anything about sabermetrics and your mind will be changed.
Exactly
Has your mind changed yet?
I think your mind has changed rn 😂😂😂
“And that’s why Jacob deGrom is the best pitcher in the MLB”
Doesn’t he play for the Texans now?
@@coltonottaway 😂
@@coltonottaway yeah they picked him up to play QB
Kersh as is the most underrated player in baseball
He is
Christian Javier will be in your top 10 next year. I guarantee it, he has Cy Young quality stuff
If he can improve on his efficiency he'll win the Cy Young.
@@grahamman80 You mean the 2.5 era or the WHIP under 1 that he needs to improve? 😂
@@paulhopkins1905 No, I mean his pitch count per inning/game.
@@grahamman80 he wasn't a starter the full year which is why his innings per game was so low
@@paulhopkins1905 His innings per start need to be more efficient.
As an Astros fan, both rankings of the two guys HOU has in there are right on the mark, although, gotta say, how in gods name to you put Cease and Manoah so low?
And Verlander? He was the best pitcher in the league last year
@@brendonbuffaloe8830 I do appreciate him and what he did, and I wish him the best in Queens, but sadly he’s no longer pitching for H-Town
If you were an Astros fan, you would know that Valdez is a top 10 pitcher.
@@paulhopkins1905 the way Marc ranks isn’t how I would, but he prioritized a high strikeout rate which Valdez just doesn’t have. If we’re talking about overall impact in 2022 and the 2022 postseason I think Valdez was #1
@@hmminterestinginterestingi3023 Because Marc is a dumbass modern stat nerd that values theoretical stats instead of real world results
“That’s why Justin verlander is not only the best pitcher of all time, but the best athlete ever born”
As a Yankees fan I love the respect you put on Rodon and Nestor they deserve it
Stfu rodon doesn't count for the yanks dip
@@rhibrammii1153 Yankees paid for him so he is a Yankee Giants fans mad they can’t keep onto their signings
Rodon ain’t doing too well
bro strider said something one time after a bad game, only bc it was against the mets is why he had to bring it up
Kyle Wright, the guy with the most wins in all baseball last year, not being ranked is a total joke.
nah
I know it doesn’t mean much in terms of rankings, but Max Fried had an arguably better year that Corbin Burnes last year even pitching in Atlanta vs Milwaukee.
3rd in AL Cy Young... 28th... 4th in AL Cy Young... 4th!
He put Fried in 21st, when he finished 2nd in the NL behind a guy who had *6* complete games
It’s literally insane how bad your rankings are in terms of pitchers. I didn’t think it could get worse than the Relief Pitcher video but this one definitely tops it.
Manoah at 28 is actually insane
As a 5”2 125 pound 12 year old pitcher, Alex Manoah has been my idol ever since he pitched at WVU. Homie dominated in the All Star Game. Top 10 is what I was hoping for
Why did you tell us your height weight and age💀💀
Manoah at 28 for K rate might be the most asinine thing I’ve heard
I'm surprised that you actually put Burnes at 2, as a Brewers fan I'm glad you can see it.
“And that’s why David Peterson will win the 2023 NL Cy Young Award”
Cease at 20 is the most disrespectful in your series history…
Super mets biased in my opinion. Love degrom but at this point his health has to drop him. Very much contradicting yourself by downing pitchers for “lack of innings” or “health” when degrom hasn’t pitched past 100IP since 2019. Fried and Julio should be higher. I praise consistency rather then upside
I don’t usually do comments and keep my mouth shut. But Julio Urias, Max Fried, Justin Verlander, Alek Manoahs spots. Pure robbery.
I think Manoah, McClanahan and Cease all need to be higher
And Javier
@@aquarpioleonine3995 yea him too he was a monster
Underrated Manoah, Javier, Fried, Cease, Castillo, Urias and Verlander. Overrated McClanahan, Gausman, Strider, Kershaw, Nola and Burnes
Would about Tristan McKenzie he is gonna be really good
Javier at 23?!?! Your rating are pretty spot on but that one is just beyond, I also know people are mad about other rankings too
Keep Fried out of the top 20 because of a K rate? What about Cy Young finish? That’s a joke.
The disrespect of Monoah is unbelievable. He was a finalist for Cy Young and was the most consistent pitcher for the jays by far! I’m done listening to your takes after this tbh
I'm a Giants fan and Manoah at 28 is a joke, and Webb at 27 is a joke as well until I remember you're a Mets fan 😜
As a Yankees fan, I’m so happy we got Rodon and I think both New York teams will be ridiculous this year. Merry christmas
Manoah was 3rd in Cy young votes ! Really 28?
Alek Manoah: 2.24 ERA, 0.92WHIP, 196.2 IP, 28th best pitcher
Max Scherzer: 2.28 ERA, 0.908 WHIP, 145.1 IP, 5th best pitcher
I am not saying Scherzer is the same level of Manoah. What I’m saying is they’re close, so how is Maonoah a bottom end ace, and Scherzer is elite?
I think Luis Castillo should be at least five ranks higher
Manoah at 28 is a violation
How you bouta have degrom at one when he missed half the season
Someting that’s import to note is that with the shift being outlawed next season, pitchers who pitch to contact will suffer more than those who have high K rates.
Therefore I think pitchers who strike out a ton (like cease for example) should have been higher on the list. But overall, list is pretty valid.
Unsubscribed for putting Cease number 20. Yikes
Cease also led the league in walks last year. I think the walk numbers hold him back a little.
He also really just broke out in 2022. So he's had 1 elite season in his career so far.
If he produces a similar season in 2023 and lowers his walk rate without much change in hit and k rate, I could see him being top 10 for sure.
Why is Max Fried that low?
Love the videos Marc, Merry Christmas
I have agreed all rankings so far except having Justin Verlander at 8 he had a 1.73 ERA
While I’ll admit ERA is hardly the best stat to judge pitchers since it doesn’t account for the ballpark or their defense, you don’t get an ERA that low without dominating. Verlander was absolutely the best pitcher last year
@@brendonbuffaloe8830 agreed
@@brendonbuffaloe8830 How about having more complete games than any entire team in MLB last year?
@@lukedeakin7124 Yep
@@brendonbuffaloe8830 I'm talking specifically Alcantara, dude was CY and he was like 4th
I usually don't disagree with a lot on these but manoah at 28 is crazy
I also have no idea how strider is 13
Shohei is incredible, but not a top 5 pitcher.
You are tripping
Great Rankings!! I have Burnes, Alcantara, Roden, Woodruff, and Webb in my yahoo fantasy pool and I won the league!
Bro strikeouts aren't everything lol, fried has finished top 5 in cy young the last 3 years, finishing second this year. 21 is absolutely criminal
I get this guy is a Mets fan and doesn’t know how to be unbiased but fried at 21 is disgusting he got cy young votes this year and has been elite the past 3 years
this list seems to be all over the place
“loves to make excuses” it was one game in which he had a fip and xfip under 2.00 so i wouldn’t call that making excuses
HOW MUCH TIMES DO I NEED TO SAY THIS IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH A PITCHER STRIKES BATTERS OUTS GHERIT COLE IS A STIKEOUT BEAST DOES THAT MEAN HES THE BEST PITCHER IN BASEBALL NO!!!
Congratulations Marc! This has been your best video! Now, Sandy Alcantara is number 1. Jacob was, Sandy is the current numero uno buddy.
Manoah too low
the julio disrespect needs to stop he’s a top 10 pitcher