What I Wish I Knew Before Talking To My Recruiter
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2017
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Let me share with you something I wish I knew before I went to my recruiter.
1. Know exactly what you want in terms of rate in the Navy.
2. At the end of the day you have the ultimate decision making power. Get EXACTLY what you want.
3. Value your time more than your recruiter. You are potentially signing 4-6 years of your life. Get everything squared away. Double check your recruiter they are human too.
"I valued my recruiters time way too much," I think I almost started to do the same, but I had to realize I couldn't join on his terms and his enthusiasm. I needed to pause, breathe, and really understand why I would want to enlist. I am also blessed to have one of his senior officers at his office who left a different impression on me altogether. When they can help change your perspective on life, and not just the military, I value their insight more. I just need to not rush into this. Also thanks for highlighting the need for me to have a clear view of what I want, and how to establish that in the beginning. Thanks!
Hey Dealio, thank you for the insightful comment.
Absolutely, at the end of the day it's your next 4+ years you're sacrificing. Sacrificing, health, family, love, wealth, and etc. Make careful decisions.
As a recruiter myself I’m with my applicants on a real level.
Love it
@@CuratorYoonKim
Hey Mr. Kim those are the rates I qualified based on my score
PR
BM
AO
ABH
ABF
ABE
for sure not doing BM was told to choose top five and I'm left with those other five, still have to go to MEPS and see if I qualify for the job, but you think those rates are good for me to do during time in service?
I just sign up recently and I’m kinda nervous about it
I am proud of you but you are a good friend haven't seen you in a long time good seeing you kiddo
Refresh my memory, where have we met?
Yeah who are you sir
Whats your story John? Little sus rn
It's very simple, do well on ASVAB then you'll be able to pick the job you want.
Lol his point was don’t let a recruiter convince you to not retake the asvab and settle for something you don’t want, recruiter have to me a quota so to them I doesn’t matter what score you get as long as they can get you through the process fast enough to meet a goal. Very simple.
Thank you for the advise. I am planning on joining, but honestly it is for the sole purpose of pursuing my career. The one that I have already been working hard for. What makes me happy. It seems like getting what you want is a benefit deserved only by few.
hey! did you talk to a recruiter?
Im planning to join too
My recruiter seems pretty reliable. I decided I wanted to be a SEAL and one day I said I should come up with back up jobs in the Navy and he said do not focus on if I do not pass BUD/s but go thinking that you will. Got me actually motivated and got me to spend my time to workout at home and do weights at school.
Its been 3 years.... ever became a seal?
@@winds1010 🤔 you asking the real questions
5 year check - you a seal?
@@Psyko636 ain’t no way
@@OldWizard-tt5lti wanna know so bad
Hey! Thanks so much for posting this. I'm seeing a navy recruiter today and I needed this advice lol! Thanks again
Thanks Anna! hope everything went well.
Great bit of advice, thank you
IM glad I seen this before I go In to the office.
good tips. I served almost 30+ years ago. I agree to not be rushed, learn about what you want & where you want to go. as stated, its your life & career in the armed forces. not a recruiter, officer or senior nco. It you & your family impacted most.
Dam I really needed this because my recruiter is so pushy like I want to talk to all of the branches and figure out what I need first
Thanks for the tips!
Thanks for the info Kim!
+Zachary S you got it Zac
Was waiting for this for a very long time. nice video yoon. also get that warfare pin boyy
thanks mate!
Taking my test Friday
Great advise!! Definitely subbed :)
Thanks Eddy!
I told my recruiter "Make me a machinist or I will not join your Navy". I had guaranteed A school. It was in my contract. Make sure to get your A school (or whatever they call it these days) put into your contract. I was in delayed entry for 9 months.
I didn't retake my asvab because I didn't study like I should have and I was way below what job I really wanted which was I.T. I didn't want to any longer so I'm going in now for Aviation. It's something I never done before so I'm going to take the experience. My main thing is finishing school.
Thank you Justyoon
You got it
Best way to think about it is you’re the driver the recruiter is just the passenger.
Your awesome Kim! Don’t know if you remember me but we worked in the galley together ha, keep being awesome and keep break dancing!
BEN. Of course i remember bro. You're one of the good sailors who stand out in my mind. If i can recall you got married. WHere you at now?
Great video ! 😎
thanks Koigan!
This is exactly what my recruiter did. He tried to steer me away from HM. Then said that I could switch my job later. Lies. Moral of the story don’t settle for one branch. Visit them all. See who can offer you what you want. I scored an 80 on my PiCAT and they told me to have an open mind about job. Bye.
can you tell me more on my IG @Rockoutofficial
My boy yoon on that comeback 🙌🔥
Fuck with ma boi JT, i want to see you guys collab
haha in the future
im going to see my recruiter tomorrow and i talked with him on the phone and he said it's going to be hard. i really want it. i don't care how long this takes.
finally another video !!!!!! miss you 😍
Hi Nancy!
JustYoon , keep up with the motivational videos !!! #lotsoflovefromalaska
This is a great advice sir, I've been doing a lot of research lately but this always crosses my mind, Can you insist on a recruiter that you want that specific job, and what happens when that job isn't available yet are you gonna be put in a waiting list or something until it becomes open?
I had an awesome recruiter told me if I scored high enough they would try as hard as they can to get me the mos I want I got an 82 but some changes trump made for permanent residents limits me to basically only 2 combat jobs and I'll have to wait 8 to 12 months till boot camp
Okay but you cute 🥺 I want to be a MC .. I was thinking about HM but advancement rate is super low.. MC sounds super fun though. I like taking photos.
I will am gonna get my job I want no matter what am not taking anything else besides a seal contract
Some people just can’t retake asvab because you know they really can’t score better and might even get it lower.
🤔
Thank you very much
You got it Thomas~
Thanks bro
Finally i was wondering were u went.
Sup Jay!
Haha I never went anywhere
JustYoon hi Yoon
JustYoon y u no upload for months?
until you sign that contract, the negotiation is in your benefit, they want you, not that you want them
absolutely
your time > recruiter's time. SAGE advice
also, go air force unless u want to roll around the mud and sleep under the stars eating mres
So true.
trueeeeee
Thank you...
you got it
The ONLY reason a recruiter would say to not retake an ASVAB is because if you score lower on the second one, they won’t use the highest! It can be a double edge sword.
I'm in DEP and reclassifying because I don't want to ship out with HMDA I don't mind HM just not the DA part
Wait, but wouldnt the recruiter just blow you off and tell you not to come back because we're not willing to fill in the needs of him or whatever branch you're joining? I feel inclined that we have to take whatever is open or where theyre going to need us
If everyone got what they wanted there would be 15 million nurses, all stationed right at home somehow, with an average ASVAB score of 25.
Michael Gruetzmacher and everyone would live at a beach house or the hills and everything would be overpopulated. Everyone seems to have an obsession with California too and we would be really overpopulated if everyone got what they wanted and that's living a luxurious hollywood California dream.
What? How can anyone who completes an arduous academic nursing curriculum and then be licensed, score a 25 on an ASVAB ? Please elucidate this erroneous statement.
This is so true, coming from a woman almost EVERYONE in my fleet did nursing.
If you want fire controlman, then be prepared for months of schooling.
Don Phom I was ready for 2 years had I chosen Nuc. ends up I just missed on qualifying by 10 points. Chose AECF but i might take the NAPT exam to have the option to switch to the nuclear field since I don't ship for 8 months
Correct the recruiter is working for you, not the other way around. Most are young who want to enlist. Some would bring their fathers with them, which at the time I thought it was dumb. It was not, the recruiter would be more straight up and respect the enlistee much more. Remember, they're basically salespeople, that's it!
agree
imagine not understanding that a job "is something for you to do" it does not have to look impressive for you to be satisficed in life, or to satisfy other people like your mommy
If your recruiter shows you what job you qualify for and you want another job that you want specifically, can you retake the test/ say no and go for the job you want?
Ohhh you got a car lit
Hey Tom
Not my car haha
And that’s how to have your recruiter not care about you or your process on joining!!!!
what happened to the inside of your vehicle bro lol, unless its military-issued
Hey I want to knwo what do you think about Navy 92g it is worth it? I take your video as an advice great 👍🏻 but it confused me if I really want to be a navy cook 👨🍳
in the US army, they say; it is what you make of it. that's not entirely true. where you are stationed, your mos(skill) or rank can have a major impact on your promotions, awards, quality of life, etc. some soldiers are stuck in desert places, others overseas, some get fort bragg nc or fort hood tx. not all careers are the same. be selective.
what ship are you on? I'm headed out to the Ike in Virginia after supply school
You know maybe you aren’t going to believe but this happens to me now yesterday everything that you say is happening now and she was angry cause I going to retake the ASVAB
Hey, just visited my recruiter a few days ago took the EST got a 83. He said I would be looking at around an 85-87 ASVAB. I'm not sure about enlisting, but I just graduated high school, I got to a community college right now. My grades in high school were abysmal and I basically scraped by doing the bare minimum, not because I was lazy but I had very few interests with school. i was very proficient with English and mathematics. I took calculus my senior year, AP English 12, and AP Physics. Those classes and geometry were my only interests and the only classes I did well in (besides band lol). Currently doing the exact same thing in community college and don't really see a future here because, well, i'm not really doing shit. I work as a technician at valvoline and take morning classes that I frankly, just show up to. I really feel like my future is falling apart and I need some sort of structure in my life. The thing is I don't want to join the military as enlisted, but i'm not close to a bachelor's degree or an associates for that matter. My whole life people have told me I just need to apply myself. Anyways what I need your advice with is as follows: My parents will not back me one bit if I join the Navy or any branch of the military for that matter. my dad told me explicitly he would never talk to me again. My issue is that I don't really see a future here and i'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. You may, or may not have gone through something similar but I really do need help making this decision.
Hey man, to some degree i understand the situation you are in. Not having the support from family is tuff.
If i was in your situation with what I know now I can do either one of two things.
1. Get the degree then enlist as officer, live extremely frugal and save within 5 years as commissioned anywhere from 50-90k or more which is realistic. Your parents might not like the decision of going military but they wouldn't argue with a huge capital to start your life in the right direction. (I hope)
2. Go enlisted for 4-6 years (depends on your rate) lets say 5 like me. While you're in get your degree or close to finish (so your parents will somewhat not be fully upset with you) and while you're in again, live frugal and save most of your money. 40-50k As enlisted is realistic.
At the end of the day If i was in your position, trying the military route is not at all a bad thing. Being in the military as a LS i get to process/ order millions of dollars of material and parts. Value like this can't be easily compared to someone who graduates college and is looking for a job. Even then without good connections you can't get a great job such as stuff you will see and experiecne in the military.
If you're unsure of what you want to do in the long term I would recommend joining the military is figuring it out.
Hope this helped. Yoon.
hiomf You can join the Navy reserves which will allow you to WAY more time at home if you don’t want to be dedicated to living on a military base for 4(or however many years you decided to be in the Navy) years. They will tell you when you’re needed. As for your parents, it’s you life in the end. If you think right now, if you don’t join the Navy NOW, will you regret it when you’re old and not able to anymore?
@JustYoon I'm 32 to and want to try for The U.S. Seals ,My Navy Recruiter Said They are Age Wavier's For Every Special Ops (Special Forces).@JustYoon By Any chance is this True?.
hello ... I'm about to join and want Master at arm's ... my recruiter was telling me everyone wants it .. that it's not open ... and he asked me am I open minded on choosing any job ... what do I do?
Hey Kim,I wanna know how much does it cost to live on a ship?
glad to see someone else rocks the turtleneck with the blueberries
+Stephan Lane haha, always!
I had 3 enlisted recruiters tell me at MEPS that you have to sign a contract and take what is available, while the officer recruiter told me to wait for what I exactly want. Then they all tried to tell me he was wrong. Thanks for this video! It is my choice and they shouldn’t be quite so pushy to make you sign anything.
Dude don't take the ASVAB again you can take it again when your in the service it will look bad or back in the day even asking to do that could get you banned but he is right I was talked from cook to HM and my life was shit as an HM and than an SN.
Hi Yoon, I'm a Recruiter and I see your point of view but your Recruiter has nothing to do with job selection except to provide guidance. The reality is you get to pick a job at MEPS with a Classifier based on availability of the job and one you qualify for under the jobs mental,moral and physical requirements. My job is help applicants get through the process and assist your family during your transition.Seldom do Navy recruiters get the opportunity to have an impact on specific job requests. The only specific job incentives for Recruiters are Nuclear Field acquisitions and Navy Challenge Program candidates. All other jobs have no incentive for us. As a Recruiter going back to the Fleet in 10 Months I feel confident in meeting any of the Sailors I helped put in the Navy. Good Luck in Real Estate but take a look at government jobs dealing with logistics. Take care.
@ you are an idiot you signed the FN pact it's not your recruiters fault I failed depth perception so my jobs were limited and they offered me FN pact I didnt sign that shit you didn't have to sign that contract
Am I allowed to take the NAPT the second time because my recruiter says that I cannot. Also if I auto qualified for Nuke but the school I go to is non tradition, was it wrong that I had to take the NAPT too?
I am not exactly too sure on this matter Jerod.
You're right and completely agree with you. Actually, I took the ASVAB four times first from home where I got 51 AFQT scores or something like that, then on the base when I got 25. After that, I off my Facebook and all social networks and decided to study hard. After the month I got 61 and because there was big contrast more than 20 scores they asked me to take again whole ASVAB test. I always wanted to be in Navy a Dental Assistance because my final goal is to become a General Dentist, so, I guess this is a good start from Navy. I knew in advance how many scores and in which subject I needed to get this job. Actually, I researched many things before I met my recruiter. He is really great guy and he always helps me with many things, so he knows and sees that I have language barrier, but remember recruiters also want to ship you as fast as possible and when he asked me about what kind of job I wanted in the Navy, I told him DA and nothing than DA. He was a little bit confused why I wanted only DA. I explained him and said that I knew that scores what I got were enough (DA and DT are almost same thing - www.thebalance.com/dental-technician-3345803) ASVAB Scores Needed for Navy Jobs: www.militaryspot.com/navy/asvab-scores-needed-for-navy-jobs
So, if you know more than recruiter expect from you, you will get respect from then trust me and there is a low chance recruiter lie you or expedite to ship you fast...
Good luck guys!
How do I make sure my recruiter doesn't lie to me about sending me to Buds I want to be a Navy Seal
miss these uniforms looked cooler lol
💯💯
I swear into the navy in a week, Is being a nuke worth the stuff you go through once you get out?
buklao congrats what was your score
Future Navy Sailor Im taking the Asvab the same day so I don't know yet, but on the pretest that the recruiters gave me I got a 78
buklao oh yeah so you'll pass then congrats in advance
Me too, I was SO CLOSE from being a Nuke. I auto qualified for it, but since my school is non traditional I had to take the NAPT still. I ended up failing that by 4 points.
Im a nuke (elt) on a sub. Ive been in 4 years. It does not FEEL worth at the moment but I think it might pay off in the end? My recommendation is not to be a nuke, mainly because of the 6 year contract. If i could go back knowing what I know now I would be a CT or a conventional MM or EM. I could have been out of the navy already if I wasnt a nuke. if you do joins as a nuke and you want to sub vol, just wait to do it. You can sub vol as late as prototype but you cant un-sub vol so if just wait. Submarines suck, nuke school sucks, Groton Connecticut sucks, being a nuke sucks.
Prior service (PS) here. What exactly is DPeP? I fell into hqving to retake the asvab. But does the PS who try to join the navy have to go reserves?
Just to give back story. Iv been trying to enlist since November. Ive passed every single thing they've asked me too. But because im under DPEP i have to get a civilian job first before they will recruit me. Does that sound right to anyone?
What do you think is better? Loadmasters in the air force or Aircrew in the Navy?
I have not seen or talked to any Loadmasters. I can't say.
Loadmaster is a very respected job.
You're in charge of making sure loads are safely put on a plane and secured in it.
Hi, I scored pretty high on my ASVAB but I dont feel like joining the navy anymore, can I just call my recruiter and tell him to cancel my medical exam next week and toast my paperworks? will it screw him up bigtime or is it my right to be able to quit anytime? Thank you sir, I literaly have no idea how recruitment works and cant find any answer anywhere. thanks for taking the time to read my question.
+mp frosty tell him straight your intentions. It's better for both of you. He might try to convince you otherwise, but that's his job.
Is it diffcult to cross rate in the Navy cause I know you have to wait 2 years
Depending on where you go and what you want to cross to. Yes it will be difficult, or sometimes even not allowed.
I am a artist and intelligence what is qualified for ?
Hey yoon , Do you think something that happened to me as a minor disqualify me from the air force ?
Depends what it may be. Talking to airforce recruiter is best bet.
What your recruiters don't tell you: you could get hurt and put in SEPs where the abuse is insane.... also won't mention you'll be in RCU forever then have to wait forever to go home.
Domination Nation i loved TPU lol
A lot of youtubers have been saying this, but isn't your rate chosen at meps? And not contracted with your recruiter? Or is that a myth?
You decide what rate you choose with the Navy Liaison at MEPS
My recruiter is feeding me the jobs that are always open so he can fill his quota. I have 8 jobs listed.... 8! That is flexible. He disregarded all my jobs and told me he "ideally" wants me in the DEP for only 3-4 months. When I know and even asked him what is the maximum amount of time I can wait for my job to open. He said technically 12 months. He went no further and continued to tell me bullshit with his lousy eye contact. I am going to see another recruiter next week.... Do you have any tips/advice if by some chance she gives me the same bullshit... Because I know if I wait up to a year... The job that I want will open. It just seems that the recruiter is acting like if I don't take the jobs he says to take. I won't get in. Thanks 🙏
There's always a chance that something can happen in that time. Recruiters don't have "quotas" They are under pressure to find and process the best and most able individuals while also keeping those people's goals in mind.
Their Leaders and supervisors are the checks and balances. Making sure that the time in the pool is efficient and the medical and recruiter time is used to the fullest. It always blows my mind how people think they can demand anything of the prospective employer. Try going to a corporate entity demanding a position and see how that works out for you. No matter what service you choose there are many opportunities to grow your resume and work toward your goals. If you fact check a recruiter and they were not being honest then by all means go talk to a different one or their next higher leader.
At the end of the day you either have to decide to serve and compromise, or risk losing out on your time and effort and possibly being denied because of some unforeseen event. Not to mention that the chosen service already invested in you by sending you to test and medical in some cases. So your recruiter is just trying to be efficient. Why spend more money, resources, and time on someone who is not going to fully commit. Also the slots that are available are what they can put people into, that's what positions are open and in demand of course.
I really REALLY want to do MC. I got a 97 on the asvab and the recruiter keeps pushing me to do nuclear engineer. I turn 25 next month and he wants me to choose nuke otherwise i won’t meet the age requirement in the future. It isn’t appealing to me at all, except for money. My passion is for videography and photography. I’m worried he’s going to hold out on saying the MC job is available and won’t fully disclose it so that I’m forced to pick nuke.
I went to MEPS last week and MC was definitely full. Definitely keep your options open!
@ arielartista. I'm a retired Career Recruiter. The Navy does not roll like that. We may try to encourage you to take what is available, but we do not misrepresent what is available. If you are completely locked on MC, then do not join. However, there are other ways to make your dream of videography/photography work with the benefits the World's finest Navy has to offer. Keep all of that in mind. Do you have the money to go to school for that right now? In four years, you can.
Have you been on your first deployment yet? And where to?
Not yet Chris still stuck in Virginia
My son went to MEPS and got a lower score on asvab compared to the one he took with recruiters. He ended up signing even though it's not for ANYTHING close to what recruiter told him. Recruiter then said he can try his best to get my son a job he wants and talked about pact. How can my son change this? He wanted seal, swcc, or eod and his score with asvab in office was good enough, but not at MEPS. I'm afraid my son was blindsided.
The ASVAB taken with the recruiter is an unofficial one to help the recruiter get a sense of what jobs may be available for your son. PACT is usually given to sailors who score low on the official ASVAB at MEPS. No matter how well the recruiter might sell your son PACT, i highly do not recommend it. The way you could make the best of the situation is to retake the ASVAB, im not familiar with the exact rules but i believe you are eligie to retake one 30 days after the initial test.
The recruiter should've been able to tell from the mock ASVAB that your son would not qualify for what he wants since they offered PACT. I personally believe he was blindsided, if your son did score high but missed it by few they should've recommended him to retake it a month later.
Best course of action i would say.
Do whatever it takes to retake the ASVAB and score high enough. If you need time, request to delay shipout date.
I personally also feel that it may be too late.
Your son cheated on the at home asvab test. Not the recruiters fault
Wow thanks. My recruiter told me not to retake the ASVAB. I got a 60 and want to do legalman. He said I might do worse
But what do i do if I feel the recruiter isn’t being very helpful or giving me the run around?
Go to a different recruiter if possible. Even if it's different branch.
If that's not an option bring your parents.
I'm a little uncomfortable with my recruiters (plural), they left and right ask me to withhold information on the forms I'm filling out and only talk about the wonders of joining the navy. I got a 96 on the ASVAB and I'm thinking about giving up my small business and go to bootcamp in July, the only thing that makes me think twice are my pets. I don't know if I could find someone to look after them for however long it takes before I can be reunited with them. It's becoming an emotional decision now and I'm not sure if I can pull the plug on my current life. Anywho...
My advice is to go in with plenty of information so you can pick their brains, right now I'm dealing with an electrician who isn't too respectful of my time and barely speaks English and an HVAC guy who calls himself an "engineer".
Do they have 2 or 3 year contracts?
minnium is 4 years
can you change HM to IT in Navy?
Yes, it would take a bit
You should always value your recruiter's time. At the end of the day, you need the military more than the military needs you. That is why you are trying to join in the first place. Joining the military is just like applying for a job. Walking into a recruiting office and demanding this and that is like going into a job interview and telling your future boss that you will only work if you get this certain position. There are always other people who wants to join. Don't act like you are doing the military a favor by joining. The military is actually doing you a favor by letting you join.
Jason Lee damn, roasted 😂
Except you can walk away whenever if you’re not happy with the role you have at that job. The military not so much.
Uhmmm... yeah... no. There's mandatory draft in other places, the military is voluntary. They need you. I'm not saying, walk in with an attitude, but definitely go in with knowledge of it and the confidence that you have the skills to get it.
Actually no the military needs you that is false...
I'm leaving in June
Nice
How was your first year?
“Can joining the military get me more followers on Instagram? And if so about how many”
Is that a good question to ask?
Sully Mirzayanov no it’s not a good question and that shouldn’t be why you are joining the military😂
if you're hot enough then yeah. but in order to be a successful military instagrammer you gotta be a fitness account basically
But if everyone waits to get exactly what they want, how will the military fill the least popular and hated jobs? Somebody must fill them right?
People who don't watch my videos will be stuck with those positions
What's your rate?
Logistic Specialist.
I hope they don't change the blue digital bdu
Welp, too bad
It was announced in 2016 that they are decommissioned and by 2019 all Sailors are expected to wear the NWU Type 3 instead of the type 1. I aswell like the blue type 1 and I'm enlisting within the next couple of weeks so it's a disappointment
You’re inaccurate. Please tell me how the navy works. You qualify for what you qualify for
Everything I share in my videos are based on my experience and shared experiences of other members. I've come to know many people who were able to escape the hands they were dealt into more favorable outcomes which challenges the traditional way of the military. In no way is this a challenge to you, but just a conversation.
Do they pee test u when u meet them
So do I specifically ask for the SEAL program?
yeah. all you have to do is ask to be in it. not hard at all.
Maybe network with some seals, see what it takes, get a mentor who can guide you nakedwarriorproject.org
Omg you so cute 😍
Thank you Himeinoui~~ :)
Charline is a transvestite you knew this right?
Shipmate, you do not understand the recruiting process, policies or mission. You are putting out incorrect information that will be extremely detrimental to other young peoples' enlistments. I highly encourage you to educate yourself before getting on a soapbox about a topic you know nothing about.
My recruiters told me that I HAD to choose a job that I didn't want.
Then when I tried to change it & later tried to cancel my contract, they refused.
They said word for word, "Well, good luck. You won't be doing that with us."